timbros:
If a player doesn't contribute anything to the team, what is the best and simplest thing the coach will do? Bench him. He contributed nothing NOTHING.

But why will a coach tweak and alter his formation and tactics to suit that player who contributes nothing to the team? I mean, isnt it way more easier to drop a player to the bench than look for a way to play that player even when it requires to tweak your normal formation before you feature that guy?

Sarri tweak his team to accommodate "useless" Jorginho. Tuchel tweak his formation to accommodate "useless" Jorginho. Mancini tweak his tactics to accommodate "useless" Jorginho..... What am I missing here? Wouldn't it be easier for these coaches to simply drop him from the team?

Well, maybe Jorginho belongs to this Italia Mafia that somehow kidnap the family members of these coaches threatening violence if they bench Jorginho.

I don't understand.

It is not just one easy decision like to discard a DMF not especially if you are limited in that department besides jorginho always flatter to deceive and I get it while coach will keep trying him thinking he would surprise them. Willy idiot was like that too for Chelsea, Curdrado, Pedro, schurley, Salah could not displace him even when everything suggested he wasn't good enough so I am not surprise he is still getting playing times despite being very limited ability wise.

timbros:
If a player doesn't contribute anything to the team, what is the best and simplest thing the coach will do? Bench him. He contributed nothing NOTHING.

But why will a coach tweak and alter his formation and tactics to suit that player who contributes nothing :Dto the team? I mean, isnt it way more easier to drop a player to the bench than look for a way to play that player even when it requires to tweak your normal formation before you feature that guy?

Sarri tweak his team to accommodate "useless" Jorginho. Tuchel tweak his formation to accommodate "useless" Jorginho. Mancini tweak his tactics to accommodate "useless" Jorginho..... What am I missing here? Wouldn't it be easier for these coaches to simply drop him from the team?

Well, maybe Jorginho belongs to this Italia Mafia that somehow kidnap the family members of these coaches threatening violence if they bench Jorginho.

I don't understand.

you no know?

BlueMann:
Senior men, celebrate with me. It's my birthday today.

Thankful for being alive.

Birthday blessings bro.

popizaino:


It is not just one easy decision like to discard a DMF not especially if you are limited in that department besides jorginho always flatter to deceive and I get it while coach will keep trying him thinking he would surprise them. Willy idiot was like that too for Chelsea, Curdrado, Pedro, schurley, Salah could not displace him even when everything suggested he wasn't good enough so I am not surprise he is still getting playing times despite being very limited ability wise.

No DM in the whole of Italy to displace Jorginho

No DM that Chelsea can afford to bench this useless Jorginho

Maybe he has the nudes of Sarri Mancini Lampard and Tuchel

Vs Spurs 2 days ago
No 3 at the back, no Kovacic No Kante No Silva no Chilwell

Just a spine of Sarr Saul Rudiger and Jorginho yet they dominated the tactical Cuntay

schurley:

The man hands are tied, no natural dm in this team, all we have apart from J5 are makeshift dm. Can't blame the man

He has....
Drinkwater...Gilmour....kovacic...Kante...and an opportunity to buy who will send him to bench


Yet .his hand is tied.

Will you make heaven like this?

You guys shouldn't stress yourselves.
Just know that the haters are an absolute minority. A powerless vocal minority. They can only Keep hating and wailing endlessly.

just always remember. ABSOLUTE MINORITY.

Segedinho:

He has....
Drinkwater...Gilmour....kovacic...Kante...and an opportunity to buy who will send him to bench


Yet .his hand is tied.

Will you make heaven like this?

Tuchel Sarri Lampard Mancini all hands are tied. You would think these are all hardened criminals taken from black Maria to Kuje prisons

raumdeuter:


What level is Jorginho at and what level do you, people, coaches think he should be

He's a good player but he's not world class like most people are making him out to be, We all saw what happened to him when Italy and Chelsea met big teams who outpossesed them

timbros:
If a player doesn't contribute anything to the team, what is the best and simplest thing the coach will do? Bench him. He contributed nothing NOTHING.

But why will a coach tweak and alter his formation and tactics to suit that player who contributes nothing to the team? I mean, isnt it way more easier to drop a player to the bench than look for a way to play that player even when it requires to tweak your normal formation before you feature that guy?

Sarri tweak his team to accommodate "useless" Jorginho. Tuchel tweak his formation to accommodate "useless" Jorginho. Mancini tweak his tactics to accommodate "useless" Jorginho..... What am I missing here? Wouldn't it be easier for these coaches to simply drop him from the team?

Well, maybe Jorginho belongs to this Italia Mafia that somehow kidnap the family members of these coaches threatening violence if they bench Jorginho.

I don't understand.

Chairman, you suppose dey calm down. I never called Jorginho useless. In fact, i said he's a decent player. Only Tuchel tweaked his system for Jorginho, others only persisted with him in theirs. You think if those Tuchel had better options he would play him?

At Italy, he is not even the best midfielder. You think if anyone in that Italy squad was half as good as Pirlo was, Jorginho go see starting shirt? The only person with quality suitable for that CDM role is Verratti but he can't play that role because of his rashness and lack of a cool head. Morever his skills as a elite ball progressor are irrepleaceable in that Italy squad. Shey na Gagliardini or Locatelli go bench Jorginho? If only Tonali was a bit older and more experienced we for no dey talk this thing.

Jorginho is a good player but not an elite one. Simples.

I can't wrap my head on how the same person wants Chelsea to buy Coutinho, bring back hazard and even wants Chelsea to go for Marcelo yet people still actually takes his opinion seriously.

We’ve been linked to Digne, Dest and recalling Emerson for the left back position. I know of Digne’s quality but he’s injury prone and wonder why Everton stopped playing him but haven’t really watched Dest and Lyon are holding on to Emerson. What’s your take guys

Donjazet
Ibime
Havertz10
Swiz
Airmark
User09
Exonerate1
Bluemann
Nihilistjnr
Timbros
Skimpledawg
And the other blues not mentioned

Kilishihunter:

He's a good player but he's not world class like most people are making him out to be, We all saw what happened to him when Italy and Chelsea met big teams who outpossesed them

You didn't see when these same Italy are winning the Euros or when this same Chelsea are winning the CL?

When Italy was outpossesed what happened to him?

Ebukacute:
Tuchel is stupid for benching elite defenders just to accommodate jorginho who is a useless player. For refusing to sign other Dms like horjbeg and the rest just because of useless jorginho.
Mancini is daft for using a spinless jorginho instead of other gwadangwa,rugged DMs that Italy has in excess
Sarri is a fool for adoring this guy.
Uefa is mad for giving this useless player an award ahead of other elite midfielders.
Funny that these world class coaches I mentioned value jorginho and a nairaland analyst who can't even coach his village team during christmas league calls him useless .
Jorginho ain't world class ,yea. But useless? Fvvvck y'all haterz

Woe betide you criticise any sitting Governor or president here and I will ask you if you ever headed your classroom before doing so.

raumdeuter:


No DM in the whole of Italy to displace Jorginho

No DM that Chelsea can afford to bench this useless Jorginho

Maybe he has the nudes of Sarri Mancini Lampard and Tuchel

Vs Spurs 2 days ago
No 3 at the back, no Kovacic No Kante No Silva no Chilwell

Just a spine of Sarr Saul Rudiger and Jorginho yet they dominated the tactical Cuntay

Jorginho is a highest profile midfielder in Italy, so of course he will see shirt to the detriment of others. There's dressing room politics

Is that not how Kane continued to be picked over Vardy for England even after Vardy won golden boot, to the point where Vardy retired?

Does Trippier not continue to start over Trent?

Was that not how Giroud became a starter for France over Benzema?

You've been complaining about Hummels since 2009 yet he played for Bayern twice and even still played every match for Germany at the Euros just last year. Is it that Hummels too had the nudes of multiple Bayern and German managers?

raumdeuter:

Hummel's lacks pace, he gambles a lot trying to stop attacks early and leaves his base open, he never perfected the act of defending as he has always been a liability in defence

When they played the European U21 in 2009, While Boatank and Howedes played Central Defence, Hummels was played in midfield as a DM because he was too "as the spirit leads" in football, You can get away with such in the midfield but in defence where it's about positioning, pace discipline and moving in sync, he always fails. He has a few Hollywood pass that gets fickle followers

his lack of pace showed early in his career was why he was shoehorned into defence. He failed to make first team at Bayern when Badstuber was chosen ahead of him and Boateng was bought while Hummels was sent to midtable Dortmund

At Dortmund, he had a traditional defender in Subotic beside him who covered his numerous errors

Bayern fell for it, bought Hummels back and within 3yrs sent him packing

Think about it, Bayern has a German player in their academy, sold him, bought him back and sold him again within 3 seasons. That enough will tell you he is damaged goods

The problem is when you have Hummels as a senior guy making elementary errors, is it Rudiger and Ginter that will be correcting him?
e.g If Ramos is messing up, Is it Militao or Varane tht will be correcting him. Or if Terry is messing up, will it be David Luiz or Cahill correcting him?

In that case you will just hope he gets injured or doesnt start so you dont have to deal with a senior player who doesnt know the basics

nihilistjnr:


Bros the guy said,people don't see Rodris deficiencies because City is typically not on the back foot

I responded with - We saw it, and gave an example if when we saw it.

Context.

Chairman, make we no drag this matter too much. I don gree for you

popizaino:



Woe betide you criticise any sitting Governor or president here and I will ask you if you ever headed your classroom before doing so.

Footballers are not politicians that are voted through ballot box.

Infact any footballer whose relevance is through ballot box has failed

Football is not a popularity contest, coaches and scouts pick players with best attributes to make them win

raumdeuter:


Tuchel Sarri Lampard Mancini all hands are tied. You would think these are all hardened criminals taken from black Maria to Kuje prisons

Main stay in d UCL final....dem say na Kante carry am.


Main stay in Euro final... dem say na verrati carry am.


Confuse haters....

lordfalcao:
naso..

If is Jorginho you will pull out both Facebook, Twitter and Instagram post of people criticizing him.

E reach hojberg na foolish fans and na number of pass he made counts, all his press resistance, tackles and mildfield marshal control has flown through the window.. Kuku push him up to AM or cm

He was quick to quote me the last time after brighton's game.. see tottenham fans from the same facebook

popizaino:


It is not just one easy decision like to discard a DMF not especially if you are limited in that department besides jorginho always flatter to deceive and I get it while coach will keep trying him thinking he would surprise them. Willy idiot was like that too for Chelsea, Curdrado, Pedro, schurley, Salah could not displace him even when everything suggested he wasn't good enough so I am not surprise he is still getting playing times despite being very limited ability wise.

Chelsea aside. Italy can’t find a Dm in the whole world to replace him?

The excuses you guys picks as joke writes themselves

pkasso:
Chairman, make we no drag this matter too much. I don gree for you

There's nothing to drag my oga

The guy was talking about what happens to Rodri on the 'Back foot'. I agreed with him and have an example.

It really was that simple.

nihilistjnr:


Jorginho is a highest profile midfielder in Italy, so of course he will see shirt to the detriment of others.

Is that not how Kane continued to be picked over Vardy for England even after Vardy won golden boot, to the point where Vardy retired?

Does Trippier not continue to start over Trent?

You've been complaining about Hummels since 2009 yet he played for Bayern twice and even still played every match for Germany at the Euros just last year. Is it that Hummels too had the nudes of multiple Bayern and German managers?

The biggest team Hummels played for in his life was Bayern and he was chased out after 3 seasons. He was chased away by Bayern twice to a second rate club like Dortmund

The biggest team Jorginho has played for is Chelsea Jorginho is in his 4th season with Chelsea and still a starter. Jorginho has not been chased to a second rate club like Hummels

Exonerate1:


He was quick to quote me the last time after brighton's game.. see tottenham fans from the same facebook

Each and every Tottenham section and forum wants to kill Ibime guy. They want him dropped and even sold

Trevor012:

Each and every Tottenham section want to kill Ibime guy. They want him dropped and even sold

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raumdeuter:


The biggest team Hummels played for in his life was Bayern and he was chased out after 3 seasons. He was chased away by Bayern twice to a second rate club like Dortmund

The biggest team Jorginho has played for is Chelsea Jorginho is in his 4th season with Chelsea and still a starter. Jorginho has not been chased to a second rate club like Hummels

All this is irrelevant.

The Koko is that Hummels played two stints for Bayern as a starter.

He is a starter for Germany as recently as last year Euros.

Did Hummels have all the Bayern and Germany nudes during this time?

Segedinho:

Main stay in d UCL final....dem say na Kante carry am.


Main stay in Euro final... dem say na verrati carry am.


Confuse haters....

We don address the Verratti own, they turned it to another player until finally they said na Donnarumma carry am for midfield

raumdeuter:


Verratti wey no start many games or was one of the first to be subbed out is the one doing the job from the bench?

Verratti that played just 1 full game till the end at the Euros is the one doing the job?

nihilistjnr:


All this is irrelevant.

The Koko is that Hummels played two stints for Bayern as a starter.

He is a starter for Germany as recently as last year Euros.

Did Hummels have all the Bayern and Germany nudes during this time?

How can it be irrelevant when Hummels was quickly shipped out twice at the biggest club he played for while Jorginho continued to be a mainstay for Chelsea 4yrs going

Bayern bought Hummels and dumped him to a second rate side after 3 seasons winning zero CL titles, Chelsea bought Jorginho retained him for 4yrs and won a CL in between

When Chelsea dumps Jorginho twice without winning the CL then we can compare him to Hummels

raumdeuter:


We don address the Verratti own, they turned it to another player until finally they said na Donnarumma carry am for midfield

Lols.

Belike Donnarumma naim play DM with am..

lordfalcao:
the metrics for mildfield controlling is volume of pass according to analysis here..

Jorginho has the most passes in mildfield 7 or 8 out of any 10 matches we play..

Maybe you are looking for 4 different Jorginho in the mildfield to know he is controlling mildfield

Of what use are those passes metrics, if 90% of it are 5 meters sideways pass to the defence and keeper. This dude as been consistent in making schoolboy errors that have cost so many points since his signing. If he was only recycling possession every now and then, i wouldn't have much of a problem with that, those silly mistakes is were my gross lies with him.

If he's as good as you guys are trying to whitewash him, why is he short of suitors despite his contract almost running up with no extension proposal on sight.

raumdeuter:


No DM in the whole of Italy to displace Jorginho

No DM that Chelsea can afford to bench this useless Jorginho

Maybe he has the nudes of Sarri Mancini Lampard and Tuchel

Vs Spurs 2 days ago
No 3 at the back, no Kovacic No Kante No Silva no Chilwell

Just a spine of Sarr Saul Rudiger and Jorginho yet they dominated the tactical Cuntay

Don't you know that by default a player playing for Chelsea will always get automatic shirt for his national team, the moment we relegate him to the bench will see the end of his Italian career.

Ibime:


Go and check West Brom, Arsenal, Villa game in last month of last season.

A not easily dispossessed player who cost goals or dangerous situations frequently.

Last game against Brighton he dashed them ball in his 20 min cameo appearance and Rudiger saved him

Do you know how to spot when a midfielder is hiding on the pitch? I doubt it, from the way you've been giving us Sarri era analysis. Those who know what a midfielder should be doing know exactly when Jogginghoe is hiding. There will be at least 15 games a season when he does that, that's why we told you he can't win you league. You only see the ball in the easier games Jorginho feels comfortable to make the angle for the pass. Those who watch midfield intensely will tell you how uncomfortable he is with players on him and how he hides to avoid it.

When I noticed a flaw in Bakayokos technique that guaranteed he would be unsafe if given the ball in deeper areas, I warned not to sign him, that that flaw makes him hide in the midfield. There are things we look for, angles we expect a midfielder to make, balls we expect him to call for. Positions we expect him to remove himself from such as standing behind opposition players when his teammates have the ball so they can't locate him. Jogginghoe does that a lot in hot games. That's why he played 120 mins against Spain and spent his time hiding, dropping 30 passes in 120 minutes. See the way Horjtout kept showing for the ball yesterday even under immense pressure, Jogginghoe can never have the balls to do that in the same situation. Man who will play 120 mins and drop 30 passes. Even Veratti who left pitch 50 mins before him matched him, and was wondering why this guy is not showing for ball.

Using this spain stats everytime only game italy were dominated the whole tournament (Jorginho scored the winning penalty). Bring his passes against Belgium and in the final against England or are they not top teams?

raumdeuter:


How can it be irrelevant when Hummels was quickly shipped out twice at the biggest club he played for while Jorginho continued to be a mainstay for Chelsea 4yrs going

Sir, Did Hummels have the Bayern Manager's nudes in the 3 years he spent as a starter in his last stint?

Did he he have German manager's nudes at Euros last yrar?

Simple yes or no

Trevor012:

Each and every Tottenham section and forum wants to kill Ibime guy. They want him dropped and even sold

He's not rated