raumdeuter:
Do you know any other player who is a consistent starter for a top country like Italy Brazil Germany France Spain and at the same time a consistent starter at a top club like Bayern Barcelona Madrid City Chelsea PSG Juventus

For different coaches

Be sincere with your self, would you accept Jorginho in your club as the only deep lying midfielder?

BlueMann:
Senior men, celebrate with me. It's my birthday today.

Thankful for being alive.

Birthday blessings Chief...

popizaino:



Don't you by default a player playing for Chelsea will always get automatic shirt for his national team, the moment we relegate him to the bench will see the end of his Italian career.

Don't mind Dayo.

The same Hummels he has been complaining about for the longest still started every match for Germany last Euros, whilst Boateng no even get club.

He should come and explain to us whether Hummels too carry manager nudes

Kilishihunter:

Emerson has better options ahead of him not that he offers nothing, I'm not saying jorginho is useless or not good but he's not at the level most people think he's at

And you don't think he is ABOVE the level most people think he is at?

nihilistjnr:


Sir, Did Hummels have the Bayern Manager's nudes in the 3 years he spent as a starter in his last stint?

Did he he have German manager's nudes at Euros last yrar?

Simple yes or no

Did Hummels win the CL while at Bayern like Jorginho did?

Hummels started when Bayern was at their low point

raumdeuter:


Any other useless player like that you can remember that top clubs, top country must change their formation to accommodate?

For wia...

Maybe Pogba?

schurley:


Be sincere with your self, would you accept Jorginho in your club as the only deep lying midfielder?

We have Kimmich as a DM who is the best in the world

raumdeuter:


Did Hummels win the CL while at Bayern like Jorginho did?

Hummels started when Bayern was at their low point

Oga whether Hummels won anything or not is irrelevant.

You asked whether Jorginho get manager nudes to start in Italy

I'm asking you the same thing - Did Hummels have the manager nudes for both Bayern and Germany?

Simple question

popizaino:



Don't you by default a player playing for Chelsea will always get automatic shirt for his national team, the moment we relegate him to the bench will see the end of his Italian career.

Chilwell is playing for Chelsea, is he getting an automatic shirt for England?

schurley:


Of what use are those passes metrics, if 90% of it are 5 meters sideways pass to the defence and keeper. This dude as been consistent in making schoolboy errors that have cost so many points since his signing. If he was only recycling possession every now and then, i wouldn't have much of a problem with that, those silly mistakes is were my gross lies with him.

If he's as good as you guys are trying to whitewash him, why is he short of suitors despite his contract almost running up with no extension proposal on sight.

you can show us the stat showing his high volume passes are back passes.

We will take it from thier to compare those they said are better than him

popizaino:


It is not just one easy decision like to discard a DMF not especially if you are limited in that department besides jorginho always flatter to deceive and I get it while coach will keep trying him thinking he would surprise them. Willy idiot was like that too for Chelsea, Curdrado, Pedro, schurley, Salah could not displace him even when everything suggested he wasn't good enough so I am not surprise he is still getting playing times despite being very limited ability wise.

It's quite surprising that you hate Willian but don't know that Horjberg is a bastard.

That tout is no different than Willian who mastered the act of deceit. He is always forming activity with little effectiveness. Look closely, he is always panting up and down and pointing from north to south. But after all these activities, you look at his team and you can barely spot the overall progress, if not regression.

If you don't see similarities between Horjtout and Willian, then you are not an acute observer. They are both con artists.

nihilistjnr:


Oga whether Hummels won anything or not is irrelevant.

You asked whether Jorginho get manager nudes to start in Italy

I'm asking you the same thing - Did Hummels have the manager nudes for both Bayern and Germany?

Simple question

Bayern of Hummels was not winning
Chelsea of Jorginho won

It's like comparing Barcelona of Etoo with Barcelona of Depay

popizaino:


It is not just one easy decision like to discard a DMF not especially if you are limited in that department besides jorginho always flatter to deceive and I get it while coach will keep trying him thinking he would surprise them. Willy idiot was like that too for Chelsea, Curdrado, Pedro, schurley, Salah could not displace him even when everything suggested he wasn't good enough so I am not surprise he is still getting playing times despite being very limited ability wise.

So you mean Jorginho flatter to deceive coaches who work with him daily in training and match days and they HOPE he will improve instead of priotising DM in the transfer market, but you guys all the way from Nairaland have seen how useless Jorg is and how he can never improve?

Una dey try o.

Exonerate1:


He was quick to quote me the last time after brighton's game.. see tottenham fans from the same facebook

they are foolish spurs fans

nihilistjnr:


Don't mind Dayo.

The same Hummels he has been complaining about for the longest still started every match for Germany last Euros, whilst Boateng no even get club.

He should come and explain to us whether Hummels too carry manager nudes

Is this not funny that the Euros was one of Germany worst ? While the Euros was one of Italys best?

Hummels in defence without Boateng 0 CL 0 world cup 0 Euros

Jorginho 1 CL 1 euro

raumdeuter:


Tuchel Sarri Lampard Mancini all hands are tied. You would think these are all hardened criminals taken from black Maria to Kuje prisons

Dayo no make me laugh biko

raumdeuter:


Fabinho playing DM for Liverpool does not have pace too

Fabinho makes up for it with good positioning and tackling ability.

Kilishihunter:

He's a good player but he's not world class like most people are making him out to be, We all saw what happened to him when Italy and Chelsea met big teams who outpossesed them

Big teams like Atletico to City in UCL? or like Spurs 2 days ago?

lordfalcao:
Chelsea aside. Italy can’t find a Dm in the whole world to replace him?

The excuses you guys picks as joke writes themselves

Of course there are DMs in Italy. But how many of them are real quality? When you have someone like Pirlo play for you for over a decade, the standards are high and no random player would just do. Jorginho happens to be the best of an average bunch. Just like Germany keep persisting with Havertz and Werner since they haven't had a quality striker since Klose retired in 2014.

timbros:
If a player doesn't contribute anything to the team, what is the best and simplest thing the coach will do? Bench him. He contributed nothing NOTHING.

But why will a coach tweak and alter his formation and tactics to suit that player who contributes nothing to the team? I mean, isnt it way more easier to drop a player to the bench than look for a way to play that player even when it requires to tweak your normal formation before you feature that guy?

Sarri tweak his team to accommodate "useless" Jorginho. Tuchel tweak his formation to accommodate "useless" Jorginho. Mancini tweak his tactics to accommodate "useless" Jorginho..... What am I missing here? Wouldn't it be easier for these coaches to simply drop him from the team?

Well, maybe Jorginho belongs to this Italia Mafia that somehow kidnap the family members of these coaches threatening violence if they bench Jorginho.

I don't understand.

Are you a Chelsea fan or do you support another club?

Since when has it been solely na manegerial decision to pick players in Chelsea?

How did Sarri tweak his formation to play Jorginho, when he specifically built his team around him? Ok why did Sarri not drop Kepa? Wouldn't it have been easier?

This guy sef.

raumdeuter:


Is this not funny that the Euros was one of Germany worst ? While the Euros was one of Italys best?

Hummels in defence without Boateng 0 CL 0 world cup 0 Euros

Jorginho 1 CL 1 euro

Despite all of this Hummels started all their games

Did he kidnap Germany manger's family?

Yes or No?

Capaldi:
I can't wrap my head on how the same person wants Chelsea to buy Coutinho, bring back hazard and even wants Chelsea to go for Marcelo yet people still actually takes his opinion seriously.

When you begin to form in your mouth about me,remember the same me who wants this same set of players at Chelsea also wanted salah at Chelsea even when idiot like yourself thought willian was better. Forget your ranting, if it is in-depth knowledge of this beautiful game, only few will match me here and sadly for you are not among those few.

patrickmuf:
Fabinho makes up for it with good positioning and tackling ability.

Is this good positioning and tackling an afterthought

Or you think Rodri does not have these positioning and tackling?

If it's just to recycle possession and attacking play, then why is Pep not playing Gundogan or KDB as Sole DM

nihilistjnr:


Despite all of this Hummels started all their games

Did he kidnap Germany manger's family?

Yes or No?

Jorginho and Italy won the Euros
What did Hummels win last summer? Remind me abeg

raumdeuter:


Is this good positioning and tackling an afterthought

Or you think Rodri does not have these positioning and tackling?

If it's just to recycle possession and attacking play, then why is Pep not playing Gundogan as Sole DM

Good positioning? Yes but Rodri is not as good a tackler...

pkasso:
Chairman, you suppose dey calm down. I never called Jorginho useless. In fact, i said he's a decent player. Only Tuchel tweaked his system for Jorginho, others only persisted with him in theirs. You think if those Tuchel had better options he would play him?

At Italy, he is not even the best midfielder. You think if anyone in that Italy squad was half as good as Pirlo was, Jorginho go see starting shirt? The only person with quality suitable for that CDM role is Verratti but he can't play that role because of his rashness and lack of a cool head. Morever his skills as a elite ball progressor are irrepleaceable in that Italy squad. Shey na Gagliardini or Locatelli go bench Jorginho? If only Tonali was a bit older and more experienced we for no dey talk this thing.

Jorginho is a good player but not an elite one. Simples.

Bro it was not a personal attack. I didn't direct it to you personally. It was directed to everyone labelling Jorginho useless.

For him not to be the best midfielder in Italy and yet feature prominently shows you that he is very important to what Mancini wants.

There is no way you guys can explain away what 3 to 4 coaches see and use. He even won individual awards. Come on! This no be luck abeg..

patrickmuf:
Good positioning? Yes but Rodri is not as good a tackler...

So why is Gundogan or KdB not playing these roles?

Why does he need tackles to be a good DM? Pep sef say he no need tackles and doesn't teach it. Leave that for the likes of Krychokewack

raumdeuter:


Jorginho and Italy won the Euros
What did Hummels win last summer? Remind me abeg

This makes it even worse.

Despite all of this, Hummels was still starting...

WHY?

Did he have the manager's nudes?

Exonerate1:


Using this spain stats everytime only game italy were dominated the whole tournament (Jorginho scored the winning penalty). Bring his passes against Belgium and in the final against England or are they not top teams?

England and Belgium played 3-4-3, leaving Jogginghoe as spare man. The Spain game, 30 passes, every Man City macth, 30 passes, various games like Brighton last week, Bournemouth, Villa matches last season. There is not a game he gets pressed and doesn't fold.

nihilistjnr:


This makes it even worse.

Despite all of this, Hummels was still starting...

WHY?

Did he have the manager's nudes?

The same way Depay Braithwaite and DeJong are the attacking trio where Ronaldinho Messi and Etoo used to play

Germany last summer when Werner and Hummels are starting

raumdeuter:


Footballers are not politicians that are voted through ballot box.

Infact any footballer whose relevance is through ballot box has failed

Football is not a popularity contest, coaches and scouts pick players with best attributes to make them win

The minister of road and transport who watches our roads becomes a death trap should also not be criticised because he wasn't voted through a ballot box .

raumdeuter:


Robben, Mascherano, world cup final 2014

How people would confidently tell lies on this page

World cup final 2014 was where Boateng gave one of the greatest final display for Germany. You were probably sleeping through it.

I meant semifinal Gtfoh.