timbros:


It means everything.

How can you know something 3 or 4 different coaches doesn't know about Jorginho?

I don't know your line of business but what do you think about a complete novice pointing out a 'correction' on something that you and your colleagues, who have been actively practising this business for donkey years, have been doing a particular way.

Lampard, Sarri, Tuchel, Mancini have all been actively participating in professional football for many years. They all feature Jorginho prominently in their teams even when they had other options. Somehow all of them don't know that Jorginho is useless and won't improve. But Popizaino and other NL analysts clearly is seeing how useless Jorginho is.

Sarri bought Jorginho. Of course he will play him. He had problem with Kepa, but board forced him to play him. Kepa turned out to be a liability

Lampard faced transfer ban, so he was forced to manage Jorginho. Kepa was a bigger problem, so he bought Mendy. Tammy too was an issue, so he brought Werner.
As soon as Lampard left, Jorginho came out to abuse Lampard, and Lampard implied the beef was because he didn't play Jorginho often.

Lampard was sacked. Tuchel landed. The biggest liability he met was Werner, followed by Havertz. He immediately entered the market for a Striker and got Lukaku. He then got Saul on loan as a temporary midfield solution, which unfortunately hasn't worked.

Don't for a second try to to sell a dream that Jorginho has been at Chelsea because he's that good. He's just be fortunate enough that there have been other fires for managers to fight.

Let's wait till next season to see how many more tweaks Tuchel will make to the team. Jorginho has only one year left on his contract, and the club aren't in a rush to renew our Balon d'Or holder, whilst 37 year old Thiago Silva's contract has already been renewed.

raumdeuter:


Italy a normal defensive team became a possesion team at the Euros

Of 4 knockout games Italy played Belgium England, Austria won and won possesion in all

Italy barely edged possession against an England and Belgium that set up with a defensive 3-4-3 which does not prioritise possession. The only big game we saw Jogginghoe matched up against 3 midfielders with an AM on him, he turned to Bakayoko

Theuniverse:
my man ibime so na raumdeuter naim give jorginho him nickname jogginghoe ehn? chei raumdeuter there is god o, pls dont be like nigeria pdp apc politicians vacilitating from one party to another without concern. jorginho is useless as you have confirmed. so pls no become cfc saboteur oooh!!!

Jorginho is not the best DM in the world, he has his limitations but he is not as bad as people here are making it to be. There are several players and midfielders with limitations that have done well in football

All these Jorginho slander na agenda.

I am even liking it more because suddenly it shows the hypocrisy of those who for years always touted awards as the everything that matter suddenly Jorginho matter come and we started hearing stories

nihilistjnr:


Sarri bought Jorginho. Of course he will play him. He had problem with Kepa, but board forced him to play him. Kepa turned out to be a liability

Lampard faced transfer ban, so he was forced to manage Jorginho. Kepa was a bigger problem, so he bought Mendy. Tammy too was an issue, so he brought Werner.
As soon as Lampard left, Jorginho came out to abuse Lampard, and Lampard implied the beef was because he didn't play Jorginho often.

Lampard was sacked. Tuchel landed. The biggest liability he met was Werner, followed by Havertz. He immediately entered the market for a Striker and got Lukaku. He then got Saul on loan as a temporary midfield solution, which unfortunately hasn't worked.

Don't for a second try to to sell a dream that Jorginho has been at Chelsea because he's that good. He's just be fortunate enough that there have been other fires for managers to fight.

Let's wait till next season to see how many more tweaks Tuchel will make to the team. Jorginho has only one year left on his contract, and the club aren't in a rush to renew our Balon d'Or holder, whilst 37 year old Thiago Silva's contract has already been renewed.

If Jogginghoe is good, Chelsea would have been begging to offer him new contract since. They wanted to sell him but no takers, Timbros say it's because he was valued. Maybe he's valued like Martial at Man Utd

Ibime:


Italy barely edged possession against an England and Belgium that set up with a defensive 3-4-3 which does not prioritise possession. The only big game we saw Jogginghoe matched up against 3 midfielders with an AM on him, he turned to Bakayoko

Dont let this Jorginho obsession turn you to a liar

Below is the possesion stat in the final 61-39% is now barely edged possesion?

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro-2020/match/2024491--italy-vs-england/statistics/?iv=true

Italy lost possesion battle vs Spain one of the most possesion obssesed country and team ever known to man

raumdeuter:


Ballack has done great things like taking a hapless Germany and Leverkusen to finals they have no business being.

Jorginho wins CL as a starter with Chelsea excuse
Jorginho wins Euro with Italy excuse
Jorginhos inability makes Chelsea play community defence, what about Italy that dont play community defence with Jorginho? Silence
How come all these coaches have not replaced Jorginho since?
How come these teams won the biggest titles of 2021 with Jorginho as their lychpin
How come coaches Tuchel Mancini Sarri Lampard all start Jorginho

Football no be lawn tennis but na only Donnaruma Djokovic win Euro for Chelsea

raumdeuter my friend all those title you mention what was jorginho main contribution? the cl and euros that his teams won how many man of the match awards did he get? what of assists? chances created? all those coaches you mentioned are stupid but didnt realize it, now tuchel has realized and going all out to sign tchoumeni. why if jorginho is so good?

Theuniverse:
raumdeuter my friend all those title you mention what was jorginho main contribution? the cl and euros that his teams won how many man of the match awards did he get? what of assists? chances created? all those coaches you mentioned are stupid but didnt realize it, now tuchel has realized and going all out to sign tchoumeni. why if jorginho is so good?

I dont know if this was an attempt at comedy or what

You are asking a DM what is his goals and assist? How many goals and assist did Kante have for France when they won the world cup

So Mancini Sarri Tuchel are all stupid 2 of which won the biggest trophies of last year, I was tempted to ask for your coaching license but decided against it

raumdeuter:


Ballack has done great things like taking a hapless Germany and Leverkusen to finals they have no business being.

Jorginho wins CL as a starter with Chelsea excuse
Jorginho wins Euro with Italy excuse
Jorginhos inability makes Chelsea play community defence, what about Italy that dont play community defence with Jorginho? Silence
How come all these coaches have not replaced Jorginho since?
How come these teams won the biggest titles of 2021 with Jorginho as their lychpin
How come coaches Tuchel Mancini Sarri Lampard all start Jorginho

Football no be lawn tennis but na only Donnaruma Djokovic win Euro for Chelsea

Hummels didn't do great things like breaking Bayern. hegemony on Bundesliga back to back and taking them to UCL final.

Italy played community defence, stop misyarning. What do you call playing 3 DMs in midfield and keeping 30% possession against the only decent team that decided to match them in midfield, while Jogginghoe made 30 passes in 120 minutes. Even Veratti that left pitch on 70 mins completed the same number of passes, to show how he was hiding

nihilistjnr:


Sarri bought Jorginho. Of course he will play him. He had problem with Kepa, but board forced him to play him. Kepa turned out to be a liability

Lampard faced transfer ban, so he was forced to manage Jorginho. Kepa was a bigger problem, so he bought Mendy. Tammy too was an issue, so he brought Werner.
As soon as Lampard left, Jorginho came out to abuse Lampard, and Lampard implied the beef was because he didn't play Jorginho often.

Lampard was sacked. Tuchel landed. The biggest liability he met was Werner, followed by Havertz. He immediately entered the market for a Striker and got Lukaku. He then got Saul on loan as a temporary midfield solution, which unfortunately hasn't worked.

Don't for a second try to to sell a dream that Jorginho has been at Chelsea because he's that good. He's just be fortunate enough that there have been other fires for managers to fight.

Let's wait till next season to see how many more tweaks Tuchel will make to the team. Jorginho has only one year left on his contract, and the club aren't in a rush to renew our Balon d'Or holder, whilst 37 year old Thiago Silva's contract has already been renewed.

Just look at excuses upon excuses.

Kepa was a problem, Mendy came in.
Tammy was a problem, Werner came in.
Werner was a problem, Lukaku came in.
Jorginho was a problem, who came in?

So you want to tell me that while Chelsea was signing Mendy, Werner etc, they can sign a Jorginho replacement at the same time?

So we should wait till next season before Jorginho replacement will come.

Make una continue dey make excuses why Jorginho dey start Chelsea games.

Oh.... Saul is Jorginho's replacement

BTW, provide your reliable source for the bolded.

raumdeuter:


Dont let this Jorginho obsession turn you to a liar

Below is the possesion stat in the final 61-39% is now barely edged possesion?

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro-2020/match/2024491--italy-vs-england/statistics/?iv=true

Italy lost possesion battle vs Spain one of the most possesion obssesed country and team ever known to man

Ibime would say anything to discountenance jorginho.
Imagine that Italy had the bulk of possession in all but one match, he then capitalizes on that one match, conveniently forgetting the rest.

Agenda must agend.

Meanwhile, Tottenham fans absolutely hate his mcm horjtout who has failed in protecting his defense.

raumdeuter:


Dont let this Jorginho obsession turn you to a liar

Below is the possesion stat in the final 61-39% is now barely edged possesion?

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro-2020/match/2024491--italy-vs-england/statistics/?iv=true

Italy lost possesion battle vs Spain one of the most possesion obssesed country and team ever known to man

61-39, that's 60-40 against a team that faced Veratti, Barella and Jogginghoe with just Rice and Phillips. England were not interested in the midfield match-up, the only team that were turned him into a Bakayoko

Ibime:


If Jogginghoe is good, Chelsea would have been begging to offer him new contract since. They wanted to sell him but no takers, Tim.bros say it's because he was valued. Maybe he's valued like Martial at Man Utd

Do you have evidence that there is no offer on the table yet? Has there been any report that Chelsea doesn't want to renew Jorginho's contract?

Ibime:


Hummels didn't do great things like breaking Bayern. hegemony on Bundesliga back to back and taking them to UCL final.

Italy played community defence, stop misyarning. What do you call playing 3 DMs in midfield and keeping 30% possession against the only decent team that decided to match them in midfield, while Jogginghoe made 30 passes in 120 minutes. Even Veratti that left pitch on 70 mins completed the same number of passes, to show how he was hiding

There was no Bayern hegemony before 2013

Stuttgart won the bundesliga in 2007, So who was Stuttgart CB then? Can we say Fernando Meira broke Bayern hegemony
Wolfsburg won the Bundesliga in 2009, WHo was Wolfsburg CB then? Can we say Pekarik also broke Bayern hegemony?

Italy actually played 4-3-3 not 3 CBs like we know of community defence teams. They kept 30% possesion vs Spain because Spain is the most possesion obssesed team in football. When have you seen Spain lose possesion to any team last

Verrati was so key that he only finished one game the entire tournament while Jorginho played most games full

Ibime:


Italy barely edged possession against an England and Belgium that set up with a defensive 3-4-3 which does not prioritise possession. The only big game we saw Jogginghoe matched up against 3 midfielders with an AM on him, he turned to Bakayoko

"barely edge" na that kind 51-49 or 53-47. E no even pass 55-45..... But 61-39? Haba...

Ibime:



61-39, that's 60-40 against a team that faced Veratti, Barella and Jogginghoe with just Rice and Phillips. England were not interested in the midfield match-up, the only team that were turned him into a Bakayoko

60-40 is not enough domination in a final? England played Mount who was also in midfield yet were dominated
Belgium played KdB Yielemans and Witsel in mdfield yet lost possesion to Italy

Capaldi:

Stop deceiving yourself. Sorry to break your bubble but you have zero knowledge of nothing here. You have been propagating this lie ever since Salah started performing for Liverpool to make you feel good about useless yourself.


4 years later still no screenshot. Lying ass deadbeat.

Stop projecting your own insecurities on me,If you are fraud that lies for a living then don't bring that close to me.......... I have nothing to prove to you poor post-digger. Ask postdigg.er to help you, maybe you might find where I posted a screenshot recently.

raumdeuter:


I dont know if this was an attempt at comedy or what

You are asking a DM what is his goals and assist? How many goals and assist did Kante have for France when they won the world cup

So Mancini Sarri Tuchel are all stupid 2 of which won the biggest trophies of last year, I was tempted to ask for your coaching license but decided against it

raumdeuter my friend please be honest and give a straight from heart answer to this question. without kante performaces last season will chelsea win the cl with jorginho??

raumdeuter:


I dont know if this was an attempt at comedy or what

You are asking a DM what is his goals and assist? How many goals and assist did Kante have for France when they won the world cup

So Mancini Sarri Tuchel are all stupid 2 of which won the biggest trophies of last year, I was tempted to ask for your coaching license but decided against it

Kante had a whopping 0 goal and 0 assist.

timbros:


"barely edge" na that kind 51-49 or 53-47. E no even pass 55-45..... But 61-39? Haba...

According to Ibime 60-40 na barely
Italy played 4 knockout games won possesion in 3 of them but we must focus on that one vs Spain the biggest possesion team in recent time

timbros:


Just look at excuses upon excuses.

Kepa was a problem, Mendy came in.
Tammy was a problem, Werner came in.
Werner was a problem, Lukaku came in.
Jorginho was a problem, who came in?

So you want to tell me that while Chelsea was signing Mendy, Werner etc, they can sign a Jorginho replacement at the same time?

So we should wait till next season before Jorginho replacement will come.

Make una continue dey make excuses why Jorginho dey start Chelsea games.

Oh.... Saul is Jorginho's replacement

BTW, provide your reliable source for the bolded.

It is well known that Tuchel wanted Tchouameni and Lampard wanted Rice but the board priotised other signings. Let me give you a clue, those managers were not coveting those players to come and sit on bench for Jogginghoe.

If Chelsea could keep Mikel and Ramires as ourmidfield options for 4 years, you should know that signing DM does not excite Chelsea board. The head of recruitment even wrote an article about it which nateevs shared many moons ago on how their strategy is to sign young exciting forwards as they make more money from the sell on. This is a team that kept 10 wingers, chased away Salah, DeBruyne, kept buying Marin, Moses, Cuadrado, Pato, Kenedy, couldn't utilise Piazon to add to Hazard, Mata, Oscar, Willian, Schurrle they bought. . . . and they left Mikel, Ramires and a 35 year old Lampard to man the midfield. Jogginghoe sticking around this long is not due to those managers ideal wish.

Trevor012:

Kante had a whopping 0 goal and 0 assist.

No dont talk about that, Since you have talked about it
we would shift goalpost and find something else to nail Jorginho

He doesnt smile enough for a world class DM

Capaldi:

Stop deceiving yourself. Sorry to break your bubble but you have zero knowledge of nothing here. You have been propagating this lie ever since Salah started performing for Liverpool to make you feel good about useless yourself.









4 years later still no screenshot. Lying ass deadbeat.

Fada lord see violence lmfao

Theuniverse:
raumdeuter my friend please be honest and give a straight from heart answer to this question. without kante performaces last season will chelsea win the cl with jorginho??

Without Harvetz, Mount Pulisic Rudiger would they be able to win?

Why didnt Kante take this performance to France to win them the Euro

Ibime:


It is well known that Tuchel wanted Tchouameni and Lampard wanted Rice but the board priotised other signings. Let me give you a clue, those managers were not coveting those players to come and sit on bench for Jogginghoe.

If Chelsea could keep Mikel and Ramires as ourmidfield options for 4 years, you should know that signing DM does not excite Chelsea board. The head of recruitment even wrote an article about it which nateevs shared many moons ago on how their strategy is to sign young exciting forwards as they make more money from the sell on. This is a team that kept 10 wingers, chased away Salah, DeBruyne, kept buying Marin, Moses, Cuadrado, Pato, Kenedy, couldn't utilise Piazon to add to Hazard, Mata, Oscar, Willian, Schurrle they bought. . . . and they left Mikel, Ramires and a 35 year old Lampard to man the midfield. Jogginghoe sticking around this long is not due to those managers ideal wish.

So it's now the board forcing Jorginho on the coaches? Interesting.

raumdeuter:


60-40 is not enough domination in a final? England played Mount who was also in midfield yet were dominated
Belgium played KdB Yielemans and Witsel in mdfield yet lost possesion to Italy

England played Mount on the wing. His job is on Emerson.

Same with Belgium who played Tielemans and Witsel

A 3-4-3 formation against a 4-3-3 simply says we will not press the DM. We will rather keep the spare man at the back, and only engage the DM when he enters our half. So all that nonsense passing Jogginghoe did in his own half means nothing, that's just the tactical plan.

When he faced Pedri man-o es man-o, nigga was hiding on the pitch like the scared rat he's always been.

Theuniverse:
raumdeuter my friend please be honest and give a straight from heart answer to this question. without kante performaces last season will chelsea win the cl with jorginho??

Jorginho won the euros without kante. It was kante who couldn't perform for France at the euros without Jorginho holding his hand. The question should be in reverse.

Ibime:


It is well known that Tuchel wanted Tchouameni and Lampard wanted Rice but the board priotised other signings. Let me give you a clue, those managers were not coveting those players to come and sit on bench for Jogginghoe.

If Chelsea could keep Mikel and Ramires as ourmidfield options for 4 years, you should know that signing DM does not excite Chelsea board. The head of recruitment even wrote an article about it which nateevs shared many moons ago on how their strategy is to sign young exciting forwards as they make more money from the sell on. This is a team that kept 10 wingers, chased away Salah, DeBruyne, kept buying Marin, Moses, Cuadrado, Pato, Kenedy, couldn't utilise Piazon to add to Hazard, Mata, Oscar, Willian, Schurrle they bought. . . . and they left Mikel, Ramires and a 35 year old Lampard to man the midfield. Jogginghoe sticking around this long is not due to those managers ideal wish.

Most coaches were benching Mikel steadily for those years unlike Jorginho that is starting

timbros:


So it's now the board forcing Jorginho on the coaches? Interesting.

Between Rice and Havertz, who do you think Lampard preferred. It's not a mocking thing, it actually happened. Lampard tried to convince them Rice was his priority, not Havertz.

raumdeuter:


I dont know if this was an attempt at comedy or what

You are asking a DM what is his goals and assist? How many goals and assist did Kante have for France when they won the world cup

So Mancini Sarri Tuchel are all stupid 2 of which won the biggest trophies of last year, I was tempted to ask for your coaching license but decided against it

true kante may not have had a goal or assist, but is kante a passing 4 as they say, is kante a regista. tell me any tournament that pirlo went to. that he didnt give an assist or scored a goal. pirlo was a dm and passing 4. so compare jorginho to pirlo not kante cus they have different roles. even in league this season was kante not the one who gave assist for pullisic goal against liverpool or what of dm that day kovacic didnt he score a goal from his shot, when last have you seen jorginho taking a shot from oceans of space or even threatening the oponent with throughou balls?

raumdeuter:


Makelele won the CL elsewhere so probably the problem was not Makelele

Strictly at Chelsea.

raumdeuter:


Most coaches were benching Mikel steadily for those years unlike Jorginho that is starting

And yet Chelsea never saw it good to bolster the DM position till Mourinho came to throw his weight around in January 2014. Chelsea managers were forced to be playing Luiz and even Zouma in midfield when water pass garri while Mikel still was on bench. What more convincing do you need to move him on and bolster the position

Theuniverse:
true kante may not have had a goal or assist, but is kante a passing 4 as they say, is kante a regista. tell me any tournament that pirlo went to. that he didnt give an assist or scored a goal. pirlo was a dm and passing 4. so compare jorginho to pirlo not kante cus they have different roles. even in league this season was kante not the one who gave assist for pullisic goal against liverpool or what of dm that day kovacic didnt he score a goal from his shot, when last have you seen jorginho taking a shot from oceans of space or even threatening the oponent with throughou balls?

Kante had 0 goals and assists yet you are asking for Jorginhos goals and assists