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The Man/deity Called God by ThinkSmarter: 8:09am On Jul 04, 2021
The man/deity called God.
First of all, let's list the attributes of the Biblical God called Yahweh, Elohim or Jehovah
God is a man according to the Bible.
The Bible says that God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.
The Bible and Quran described God as the most compassionate or most merciful.
But, as they say action speaks louder than voice.
Right from the garden of Eden.
God have proved otherwise and in many other scenarios in the Bible.
From the creation story in the Bible.
God is not the most powerful.
Angel Lucifer outsmarted God.
God lied to Adam and Eve that they will definitely die when they eat of the fruit of good, knowledge and evil.
God said to his fellow Gods, let's drive man away from the garden of Eden because he has eaten the fruit and have become wise like us (gods)
So that he will not eat from the tree of life and live forever.
God never had good intentions for mankind with those statements attributed to him.
God is not everywhere, God is not all powerful, God is not all knowing.
Cuz if he is, he should have known ahead of time what Angel Lucifer could do.
He should have stopped him if he is all powerful.
He shouldn't have left the garden of Eden since he is every where.
Common!, the Bible stories are just but a fairy tale that can only be taken seriously by sheeples.
God of the Bible is a blood thirsty deity that is hot tempered and kills at little provocation.
He is a dictator.
It takes a mere human like Moses to persuade the angry God to come down in his show of anger and brutality.
He ordered the killing, maiming of vulnerable people like the aged, women, children and physically challenged.
He encouraged rape and violence against women.
Read the Book of Numbers if you think that I am lying.
God of the Bible used venomous snakes to torment and kill people.
He strikes people that try to challenge his authority with illness and death.
Why am I writing this?
Do I intend to spite any one or group of people by doing this?
No, I am constrained by an inner force to write to my generation.
And to that, I appeal to my family and friends to forgive me for not living up to their expectations.
It's not my doing, that despite my strong Christian background, I still deviated and speak against what majority of the populace hold of high esteem.
The Bible actually contributed to my spiritual awakening.
Know that the Bible is a collection of Religious myths, history, religious rituals, hallucinations and magic.
Lucifer is described as the most beautiful and intelligent of God's creations but when the white man brought religion to you, they depicted Lucifer as a Black horned monster just to ridicule Black people.
U got the racism inspired Christianity?
I know that God is a figure invented to solve the mystery behind creations.
But invoking God as central figure behind the creations will lead to another intelligent questions like :
Who created God?
Where did God come from?
Who have ever seen God?
Can God come out of nothing?
Is God really in Charge?
Or that natural forces are behind all the weather, climate changes we witness in our planet?
How can the tower of Babel be real?
How many meters of structure can humans be able to raise?
With what technology was the tower of Babel built with?
Where are the ruins of such magnificent structure?
Remember, when the Bible was written, they were no telescope, no spaceship, no cars, no aeroplane, no idea of space, other planet/ planetary bodies .
People had always thought that the sky is made of crystal stones until science discovered that it was really empty.
First of all, what supports life here on earth.
Soil, air, water, sun, force of gravity and other invisible forces are the physical conditions necessary for life to thrive here.
Get rid of water from the planet and life will cease to exist, same applies to air.
U see, we can't really explain as to how intelligent life, flowers, plants, animals of different varieties started from scratch, but invoking an invisible creator deity won't solve the mystery.
So, the Yahweh of the Bible is not different from any other gods found in all regions of the world.
Superstition begot myth and myth begot religion.
Nothing is really hidden.
Nature didn't conceal anything.
It's just that we have little understanding.
We truly have eyes but can't see, we have ears but can't hear.
My people perish for lack of knowledge.
Let me burst your bubble.
Jesus Christ tried to liberate his people from religious grips.
The Elites (Roman Rulers, scribes and the Pharisees) used religion to instil fear and control the masses.
But when Jesus Christ returned from India at the age of 30, remember he left around age 12 after the passover.
He is an ascended master
He joined merchants and traveled East to Nepal and India where he got more educated on Eastern philosophy.
Remember Sadhauta Gautama (Buddha) was born in India many years before the birth of Jesus Christ.
And Buddhism have spread wide in the South East Asia.
Jesus Christ got so much infuriated about the way the people were burdened with heavy religious rules and rituals.
Today, bring pigeon, tomorrow bring a bull, next other time bring your 1st son and first born animals.
Jesus Christ really liberated the people but they twisted his message in order for them to continue enslaving the people through religion.
He tried to enlighten them and liberate them, this got the Pharisees infuriated and they used his frequent saying that he is a God to accuse him of blasphemy.
In my next write up, " The Religion Shield"
I will explain how people have been commanded not to ask questions concerning Religion as a way to Shield it from Scrutiny.
Religion is built on falsehood.
Truth is coherent and logical.
The universe is orderly.
Nothing is Concealed.
Seek, you will find.
Ask, and you shall be given.
Open your mind to nothing but the truth.
Get rid of emotions and sentiments.
And you will be close to enlightenment.
No tragedy will befall you for asking curious questions concerning your faith.
The same way that God lied to Adam and Eve that they will die is the same way that Religion lie and threaten you not to ask questions for fear of tragedy or misfortune befalling you.
The truth is that you, asking thought provoking questions about religion will awaken you to the truth and religion will lose its value and grip on you.
Know the truth and truth shall set you free.

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Re: The Man/deity Called God by Heartbender: 9:12am On Jul 04, 2021
Your write up, if taken seriously, lacks coherence and blows hot and cold. One moment there is no God. Another moment God is no different from other gods. You affirm what the Bible (or Qur'an) says about Lucifer or God and also affirm the existence of Christ (even though you've garnished it with a travel to India from age 12. I wonder how a carpenter as Joseph could afford the luxury). I don't know what hurt you,or what expectations you had of God while growing up but God is all powerful, all present, and all knowing. Same way He stays silent when you misbehave is how He was in certain matters of old. Because He does as He pleases and we are created for His pleasure. The conditions that sustain life on earth that you conveniently call nature were made for us to live in. Outside Earth, perhaps, there is no other planet that can sustain human life. Because that is not our environment. But we were created in His image so we are allowed to find a way of surviving even outside our planet. A car is made to be driven on land, not in the air but if you modify it, it'll fly.
You also don't know biblical studies. While everyone claimed that the world was flat or being carried by a mythical figure, even some blind Christians followed in that footstep, the Bible already foretold that the earth is spherical and hangs on nothing.
God has created man with a mind of his own. We are God's artificial intelligence. That is why the Bible says "ye are gods" and asked "what is man that thou art mindful of?" The "people" God spoke with are not gods but The Trinity. The word used there is Elohim which is a singular-plural word for God in Hebrew. That is why Genesis chapter 1:26 and 27 are repetitive even though the former was in plural while the latter was in singular.
As for your "intelligent" question, a creature cannot ask the creator of His origin. It won't make sense because He won't have the capacity to understand it just as you rightly said, we have little knowledge of our environment. A robot cannot begin to question the robotic engineer and demand that it must be answered. You get? Rebellion.
I agree that religion has, to a large extent, fuelled the drive of racism (and many social vices) but will you blame the Word for the twisted interpretation of His messengers? Isn't that why He said not everyone who calls Him "Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven"?
So perish your argument. They lack empirical research. You talked about the myth of building the tower of Babel, because in your pride as a modern man, you feel you're more sophisticated than those who lived thousands of years ago but you have seen the pyramids of Egypt, and other wonders of the old world that still bemuse our minds. Humble yourself. God is God. Case closed

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Re: The Man/deity Called God by ThinkSmarter: 9:39am On Jul 04, 2021
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Don't be misled by the word "born again" - You were never a sinner.

"Judgement day", "end time", "rapture", "unbelievers", "gentiles", "hell fire", "heaven", "infidels", e.t.c. These words are instruments of captivity, enslaving you and your soul.

Religious beliefs (I mean all forms of religion) are nonsense at best. At worst, you get what we are experiencing in our world today. Chaos.

The biblical Jesus came and he tried to enlighten humanity, majority are still unable to grasp his messages and teachings. Just like every other higher being that came down with good intentions for humanity, Jesus tried to wake us from "The Sleep", he was completely against religious leaders at that time because they mislead others - up till now.

The churches of today are simply following the footsteps of Paul. They are not preaching Jesus, they preach Paul. But the followers do not understand the foundation. Paul was always against Jesus christ and his teachings, he was the persecutor. When Jesus died he had to continue the fight but with a different approach, he infiltrated the seed that was planted. He cashed out big time in the process and clergymen of today follow in his footsteps.

Jesus Christ did not come here to "die" for the salvation of anybody. He lived for humans in his time to be enlightened. He was killed while trying to help them. He did not die willingly, he even prayed against it. Christ-like beings do exist once in a while throughout history.

The world power at that time saw him as a threat, because if more humans get enlightened, their structure will become powerless. So Jesus had to be killed, the killing has to be justified...and his messages adulterated.

Have you ever pondered on how Jesus was sentenced to death by Pilate the Roman? And today Christians look up to the leader of the Vatican city. The same people who killed the seed, rewrote the entire bible to their taste and claim it is God's message (reason the bible is always conflicting itself. Just like the Quran it was written by some people who seek to control other humans), appointed a leader to now continue the teachings of the one who was murdered. They do it for one reason, to control and rule humans. You can't be a world power without elements of control over humans.

Religion is a tool of control. People are caged with fear.

Let's not talk about Islam, the brother of christianity. Go read about the Genocides of Mohammed, his sexual crimes and all. His ideas gave birth to majority of modern day terrorisms.

*Christians should not take it personal, I only used the story of Jesus as a reference. It is the same with Muhammed and all other forms of religion, they keep you in bondage with the threat of "hell fire." We are all afraid of the thoughts of a nonexistent burning furnace. We give away our soul out of fear, Muslims trade empathy for wickedness and brutal killings all in the name of religion. Modern day Christianity may not support bloody killings like it's brother, but the deceits, lies, hypocrisy, greed and selfishness within the church is second to none.

Stop searching for the figurative "God"

He is not hiding. Instead you should search for yourSELF

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Re: The Man/deity Called God by ThinkSmarter: 9:42am On Jul 04, 2021
WHY I COME TO LIKE SCIENCE BUT DETEST RELIGION.
I grew up in a rural settings where African traditional religion is practiced by many while some practiced Christianity and some both.
I earlier thought and assumed Christian Religion as the best religion.
And the Bible God to be really the Supreme God, the creator of all things.
Of a truth, Christian religion tried in inculcating good moral conducts among the faithfuls.
From Sunday school, to School Assembly Ground, to moral instructions to Church sermons to house to house preaching etc.
But after growing up and learning to read and understand on my own.
I took solemn in reading the Bible and upon doing that I stumbled upon some Bible passages that are seldomly read in the church because there are thought provoking.
This increased my curiosity and my search for the truth.
I started searching for the Quran until I got hold of one written in both Arabic and English language.
I downloaded and red so many articles And publications about the Bible, the Abrahamic religions etc.
I then realized that Religion in its entirety is a Belief system.
I realized that the concept of God the creator only lies within human imaginations.
And in Belief system, u don't have to prove anything within the boundaries of intelligence, rational, critical and logical thoughts.
Faith is Everything
In Religion, faith is of high esteem.
In Religion, u don't need to prove God using #rational #critical #logical and #objective thoughts.
U only got to #Believe through #faith shikena.
As a curious person, I wasn't comfortable with some answers I got from Religious teachers.
Some will misunderstood your curiosity to be an attack on their belief.
Most Religions were built on #superstitions, #mythology, #black magic, #dreams/visions, #personal inspiration/imagination, human invented traditions and customs etc
I personally think, humans evolved consciously, become more intelligent and confused at same time.
We thought, since we are here, animals are here, plants are here.
Something somewhere brought us here.
And we assumed what brought us here to be like an old man, full of wisdom with magical powers living up there in the sky.
Have u wondered why other animals apart from humans don't indulge in religion, this because of their low intelligence.
Our imagination is the cause of all technology and religion.
Technologies are our visible imaginations.
While Religion are our invisible imaginations.
Take a look at this : According to the Bible, pigeons, bulls, rams etc were offered to Yahweh as a sin and burnt offerings.
Imagine the CEO of Toyota demanding a particular brand of Toyota like Toyota 4Runner as a gift or sacrifice from his employees that offending him.
Also, the case of Jesus Christ as God's only begotten son (contradicting the true sons of God earlier recorded in Genesis 6) as an offering to appease God for the redemption of mankind.
This is like President Buhari giving out Yusuf, his only son for Nigerians to kill in order for him to forgive Nigerians for their actions against the President.
These are very illogical statements and should be treated as trash.
OK, let's assume Jesus Christ died so that we all have life and have it in abundance as they do make us to believe.
These assertions raises so many questions like:
Is there no poverty, cancer, kidney diseases,heart diseases, strokes, accidental deaths, natural disaster, killings, low life expectancy, high mother and child mortality rate etc among Christian population?
All these are universal and are not unique to one religion.
To Scientific minds that rose like philosophers, thinkers that broke the societal and cultural norms and threaded the path of logical, critical and rational thoughts in order to arrive at a very objective answer(s) to the cause of things.
Some of them suffered discrimination while many were exiled and killed for simply being rational and logical.
For simply refusing to conform with the superstitious and mythological things.
And here we are in the 21st century, where Science have provided answers to most pressing questions.
Brought cure to many diseases.
Many infants, animals, twins,adult humans, albinos have been killed to appease so many deities in the past just because of human ignorance.
The did all that cuz they assumed some natural phenomenon like earthquakes, volcano, tsunami, hurricanes, draught, epidemic, pandemic, twins, albinism, etc to be as the result of the gods being angry.
Have you wondered why human population have grown so rapidly towards the beginning of 20th century to date?
This is as a result of advancement in medicine.
Science is providing cures for so many diseases and is abating the mortality rate among children 0-5years due to immunization/vaccines.
About 90% of children born are now able to reach reproductive age.
For without Science, many cultures would have been living in abject ignorance and their population subjected to extreme law of natural selection.
Science choose the path of physical observation, theorizing, experimenting, re-experimenting before drawing unbiased conclusions which will be subjected to objective criticisms if the need arises.
Science accept their flaws and gives room for correction.
But religion hates to be corrected or Reformed.
To the fundamentalists and Extremists, it is a word or command of God /Allah, hence no questioning.
When u enquire about the purported heaven, paradise and hell, u will just be told to believe or else u will cast into hell when u dies.
some Religion won't even allow you to die naturally 1st and go to hell.
They will behead you instantly, so that you will go to hell instantly.
A times, I do think, why is it that the God that brought down the tower of Babel in the Bible doesn't bring down the rising towers , the aeroplanes, rockets that are exploring the universe.
Science have demystify so many superstition, mythology made up due to man's ignorance.
Note:If you don't understand Maths, you may not be good in logic and reasoning.
This is why Mathematics is made compulsory for courses like Engineering, Medicine and Surgery, Law, Computer science etc
Science will continue to relegate Religion to the background.
I have also thought why there is no much religious related terrorism in UAE and Saudi Arabia as compared to Yemen, Afghanistan, Syria Nigeria etc.
Then I realized maybe Saudis and Emirates are super rich and have most of the their wards schooling in the Overseas.
And sound and quality education is the best solution to Religion extremism.
Because, it's extremely difficult to brainwash someone with quality education.
Maybe that's why the Saudi Prince is making so many reforms.
For you can't expect the product of the likes of Ivy's, Havard's etc to continue implementing outdated, archaic and irrational beliefs in the name of being conservative.
Sorry to say this : I see some extremely religious people as psychopaths.
I personally think, if you choose to evolve with your brains, choose Science, else be stuck with the medieval philosophy that gave birth to so many mythological beliefs.
The choice is yours.

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Re: The Man/deity Called God by ThinkSmarter: 2:41pm On Jul 04, 2021
After thorough study and research in my quest to know the truth behind World Religions.

I have come to this conclusions.

El (Elohim) or Yahweh is a Jewish god of war.

Exodus 15:3 stated categorically thus: Jehovah is a warrior.

What Yahweh is to Jews is what the god of the Sun is to Greece (GreekoRoman Empire)

One thing I discovered with the Hebrew god is that it's powerful, mysterious more than the other gods in Arabia.

And it is a very intolerant god and aggressive god.

In so many scenarios like the way it turned Lots wife to pillar of salt for minor disobedience, the way he killed Israelites at mount Sinai where it comes with flames, thick smoke and thundering clap for drawing closer to the mountain.

Almost synonymous to the Yoruba Sango god and Igbo Amadioha god in their use of thunder, thick smoke and lightening.

The way the Ark of the covenant killed anyone that gets in touch with it.

Less, I forget, many places around the world in the early and mid centuries went about building temples for their god, gods, goddess or goddesses.

From India to Pakistan to China to Assyria to Persia to Greece to Rome to Egypt to Africa, every where gods, temples.

Could Jewish god that is always jealous of other gods be an exceptional god, different from other pagan gods ?

Could other gods of other regions be all that powerful for the Hebrew god to be jealous?

No, if Baal is to be ineffective and just but a man made statue, why will the super God alleged to have created the universe and everything therein be jealous of his tiny creations earth molded image(sculpture)??

Reading through the book of Exodus, especially Exodus chapter 13 Yahweh's demands for 1st born human and animal sacrifice makes me think, could this be God the creator?

Do the Supreme God need human and animal sacrifices?.

Why do most pagan shrines and temples use incense, the way it is used in the temple of El, YWH, Yahweh or Jehovah?

The are many mysteries to be unravelled.

I have come to also realize that the story of creation recorded in the book of Genesis is nothing but Jewish mythology.

Read #Genesis 1:26 and #Genesis 2:7 and behold a contradictory statements.



Read #1Samuel 15:3 Now go, and strike down the A·malʹek·ites,d and devote them to destructione along with all that they have. You must not spare them; you are to put them to death,f man as well as woman, child as well as infant, bull as well as sheep, camel as well as donkey.’”

Could a god that orders the killing of innocent children, pregnant women, widows, old women, innocent animals and the disabled be the #God of the #Universe??

Imagine America coming to perpetrate this kind of crime against a country or region?.

What will be your reactions?

Is God portrayed as the most compassionate, most merciful in this scenario?

Is that not a partial god that favours only the jews?

Could Yahweh be an over glorified tribal god?

#ForYourConsideration.

It's high time we start to unlearn the craps deposited into our skulls by the stone age ,iron age and bronze age people.



The Bible is a well crafted religious literature with real historical records of war written by different authors over centuries.

And the events centered around present day Middle East and Europe and some parts of Africa.

The genealogy recorded in book of Genesis and in the book of Matthew never branched or took account of other races of humans like the Asia, India, West Indies, Europe and Africans

From Adam to Noah.

from Noah to Abraham

And from Abraham to Jesus Christ.

This history of a tribe representing that of the entire World creation story is not plausible.

But one thing is certain

Truth is tested with time.

It's obvious that the Israel god Yahweh that rides a chariot was powerful to the Israelites, originally the Canaanites.

The world major religions: Hinduism, Buddhism, (Islam, Judaism and Christianity) (Abrahamic religions) have all stood the test of time.

And their Various teachings are so related.

What Jesus Christ is to Christians is what Shiva is to Hindu is what Saddhauta Gautama (Buddha) is to Buddhists is what Mohammed is to Moslems.

Though Shiva of Hindu is actually a god or deity that is very significant in Hinduism.

Jesus Christ, Prophet Mohammed, Buddha are very enlightened fellows and they all preached love and peace to humanity.



I know I am sounding controversial and weird to religious people

But the truth remains that I am standing on a neutral ground to decipher the truth behind World religions.

U can't quench my curiosity.

I knew that every religion faithful do uphold their own very religion as the best.

But the truth is that there is no better religion.

All religions came due to mankind quest to unite with the Forces behind the creations, the assumed god, gods and God.



#Peace and #Love

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Re: The Man/deity Called God by ThinkSmarter: 2:42pm On Jul 04, 2021
Heartbender:
Your write up, if taken seriously, lacks coherence and blows hot and cold. One moment there is no God. Another moment God is no different from other gods. You affirm what the Bible (or Qur'an) says about Lucifer or God and also affirm the existence of Christ (even though you've garnished it with a travel to India from age 12. I wonder how a carpenter as Joseph could afford the luxury). I don't know what hurt you,or what expectations you had of God while growing up but God is all powerful, all present, and all knowing. Same way He stays silent when you misbehave is how He was in certain matters of old. Because He does as He pleases and we are created for His pleasure. The conditions that sustain life on earth that you conveniently call nature were made for us to live in. Outside Earth, perhaps, there is no other planet that can sustain human life. Because that is not our environment. But we were created in His image so we are allowed to find a way of surviving even outside our planet. A car is made to be driven on land, not in the air but if you modify it, it'll fly.
You also don't know biblical studies. While everyone claimed that the world was flat or being carried by a mythical figure, even some blind Christians followed in that footstep, the Bible already foretold that the earth is spherical and hangs on nothing.
God has created man with a mind of his own. We are God's artificial intelligence. That is why the Bible says "ye are gods" and asked "what is man that thou art mindful of?" The "people" God spoke with are not gods but The Trinity. The word used there is Elohim which is a singular-plural word for God in Hebrew. That is why Genesis chapter 1:26 and 27 are repetitive even though the former was in plural while the latter was in singular.
As for your "intelligent" question, a creature cannot ask the creator of His origin. It won't make sense because He won't have the capacity to understand it just as you rightly said, we have little knowledge of our environment. A robot cannot begin to question the robotic engineer and demand that it must be answered. You get? Rebellion.
I agree that religion has, to a large extent, fuelled the drive of racism (and many social vices) but will you blame the Word for the twisted interpretation of His messengers? Isn't that why He said not everyone who calls Him "Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven"?
So perish your argument. They lack empirical research. You talked about the myth of building the tower of Babel, because in your pride as a modern man, you feel you're more sophisticated than those who lived thousands of years ago but you have seen the pyramids of Egypt, and other wonders of the old world that still bemuse our minds. Humble yourself. God is God. Case closed
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Re: The Man/deity Called God by Magmata: 10:55am On Jul 20, 2021
I was privileged to see through the Cascades of falsehood that have condensed into beliefs of different forms.

My problem started with the teaching that all non believers in Jesus will go to hell, though I was a christian, I became unsettled.

After years of internal struggle, the veil dropped and I started seeing the folly of organised religions and their sick gods.

I love the character Jesus and his words I hold so dearly, but again I find it hard to absorb the bogus tales woven around his identity; the core of christianity.

Then I realized that Jesus was misunderstood and his words twisted by the same people that murdered him, he was obviously killed out of fear. It's funny how the killing still continues today.

My brother, no amount of dogma can stop an awakened soul from rising; no religion can intimidate such spirit.

How do you explain colors to a blind man? Why not save your energy for better use, see, "when the pupil is ready, the teacher will appear"

An elderly man once told me that "if the caliber of people like Adeboye, Oyedepo, Kumuyi, etc says this is the truth, who am I to say otherwise". I smiled.

After all it's my light, why should I bother people with my experience. One thing is to burst falsehood, another thing is to know the truth.

People love religions and their associated falsehood because it serves their ego. They need stuffs and a god is needed to take care of them, their spiritual awakening is secondary; Jesus death has taken care of that, what a pity!

His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?" Jesus said, "It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying 'Here it is' or 'There it is'. Rather, the kingdom of the father is spread out upon the earth, and people do not see it."


I pray people's eyes be opened to see through the layers of (morbid) sensual cravings that have glued them to falsehood all their life.

I pray they will see through the dogmas of lassitude that have stunted their spiritual growth all these years.

Each time I remember how confidently I had defended my ignorance in the years past, I can't help but laugh.

However, not all knowledge liberates, some are worse than ignorance.

May we not be victim of falsehood.

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Re: The Man/deity Called God by psychalade: 2:54pm On Jul 20, 2021
A thought provoking write up cool
Re: The Man/deity Called God by Ramirezkhay(m): 6:04pm On Aug 09, 2021
Sorry to interfere lol... we were told God is all knowing but can you please answer this questions; No 1- Are you saying God is already aware that Adam and Eve will eat from the fruit in the garden but He intentionally planted it there to test them? No 2- why did God regretted making humans on earth because they ended up eating from the fruit he forbids them to eat since He's all knowing, I don't think He should feel so amazed or regret the outcome
Heartbender:
Your write up, if taken seriously, lacks coherence and blows hot and cold. One moment there is no God. Another moment God is no different from other gods. You affirm what the Bible (or Qur'an) says about Lucifer or God and also affirm the existence of Christ (even though you've garnished it with a travel to India from age 12. I wonder how a carpenter as Joseph could afford the luxury). I don't know what hurt you,or what expectations you had of God while growing up but God is all powerful, all present, and all knowing. Same way He stays silent when you misbehave is how He was in certain matters of old. Because He does as He pleases and we are created for His pleasure. The conditions that sustain life on earth that you conveniently call nature were made for us to live in. Outside Earth, perhaps, there is no other planet that can sustain human life. Because that is not our environment. But we were created in His image so we are allowed to find a way of surviving even outside our planet. A car is made to be driven on land, not in the air but if you modify it, it'll fly.
You also don't know biblical studies. While everyone claimed that the world was flat or being carried by a mythical figure, even some blind Christians followed in that footstep, the Bible already foretold that the earth is spherical and hangs on nothing.
God has created man with a mind of his own. We are God's artificial intelligence. That is why the Bible says "ye are gods" and asked "what is man that thou art mindful of?" The "people" God spoke with are not gods but The Trinity. The word used there is Elohim which is a singular-plural word for God in Hebrew. That is why Genesis chapter 1:26 and 27 are repetitive even though the former was in plural while the latter was in singular.
As for your "intelligent" question, a creature cannot ask the creator of His origin. It won't make sense because He won't have the capacity to understand it just as you rightly said, we have little knowledge of our environment. A robot cannot begin to question the robotic engineer and demand that it must be answered. You get? Rebellion.
I agree that religion has, to a large extent, fuelled the drive of racism (and many social vices) but will you blame the Word for the twisted interpretation of His messengers? Isn't that why He said not everyone who calls Him "Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven"?
So perish your argument. They lack empirical research. You talked about the myth of building the tower of Babel, because in your pride as a modern man, you feel you're more sophisticated than those who lived thousands of years ago but you have seen the pyramids of Egypt, and other wonders of the old world that still bemuse our minds. Humble yourself. God is God. Case closed
Re: The Man/deity Called God by Nobody: 4:04pm On Nov 16, 2021
ThinkSmarter:
Come and view something you will like to counter on this Thread

Thoughts, Camera, Action aka TCA on YouTube is a very good teacher. He goes into the history of religion and has several several videos up. You should take your time to watch those videos. One particular favorite of mine is how all the world religions come from just one source. You will learn how the world operates, who is really in charge etc etc. I wanted to share a video of his but YouTube has removed the share button, but the ones below are not too bad.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQfn3N05HYY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUJxDvSIy8Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpMd_mkO80Y

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Re: The Man/deity Called God by ThinkSmarter: 4:45pm On Nov 16, 2021
kmcutez:


Thoughts, Camera, Action aka TCA on YouTube is a very good teacher. He goes into the history of religion and has several several videos up. You should take your time to watch those videos. One particular favorite of mine is how all the world religions come from just one source. You will learn how the world operates, who is really in charge etc etc. I wanted to share a video of his but YouTube has removed the share button, but the ones below are not too bad.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQfn3N05HYY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUJxDvSIy8Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpMd_mkO80Y
Tnx dear for the links, i will definitely download and watch them offline
Re: The Man/deity Called God by bigjackass: 8:39pm On Jan 07, 2022
ThinkSmarter:
WHY I COME TO LIKE SCIENCE BUT DETEST RELIGION.
I grew up in a rural settings where African traditional religion is practiced by many while some practiced Christianity and some both.
I earlier thought and assumed Christian Religion as the best religion.
And the Bible God to be really the Supreme God, the creator of all things.
Of a truth, Christian religion tried in inculcating good moral conducts among the faithfuls.
From Sunday school, to School Assembly Ground, to moral instructions to Church sermons to house to house preaching etc.
But after growing up and learning to read and understand on my own.
I took solemn in reading the Bible and upon doing that I stumbled upon some Bible passages that are seldomly read in the church because there are thought provoking.
This increased my curiosity and my search for the truth.
I started searching for the Quran until I got hold of one written in both Arabic and English language.
I downloaded and red so many articles And publications about the Bible, the Abrahamic religions etc.
I then realized that Religion in its entirety is a Belief system.
I realized that the concept of God the creator only lies within human imaginations.
And in Belief system, u don't have to prove anything within the boundaries of intelligence, rational, critical and logical thoughts.
Faith is Everything
In Religion, faith is of high esteem.
In Religion, u don't need to prove God using #rational #critical #logical and #objective thoughts.
U only got to #Believe through #faith shikena.
As a curious person, I wasn't comfortable with some answers I got from Religious teachers.
Some will misunderstood your curiosity to be an attack on their belief.
Most Religions were built on #superstitions, #mythology, #black magic, #dreams/visions, #personal inspiration/imagination, human invented traditions and customs etc
I personally think, humans evolved consciously, become more intelligent and confused at same time.
We thought, since we are here, animals are here, plants are here.
Something somewhere brought us here.
And we assumed what brought us here to be like an old man, full of wisdom with magical powers living up there in the sky.
Have u wondered why other animals apart from humans don't indulge in religion, this because of their low intelligence.
Our imagination is the cause of all technology and religion.
Technologies are our visible imaginations.
While Religion are our invisible imaginations.
Take a look at this : According to the Bible, pigeons, bulls, rams etc were offered to Yahweh as a sin and burnt offerings.
Imagine the CEO of Toyota demanding a particular brand of Toyota like Toyota 4Runner as a gift or sacrifice from his employees that offending him.
Also, the case of Jesus Christ as God's only begotten son (contradicting the true sons of God earlier recorded in Genesis 6) as an offering to appease God for the redemption of mankind.
This is like President Buhari giving out Yusuf, his only son for Nigerians to kill in order for him to forgive Nigerians for their actions against the President.
These are very illogical statements and should be treated as trash.
OK, let's assume Jesus Christ died so that we all have life and have it in abundance as they do make us to believe.
These assertions raises so many questions like:
Is there no poverty, cancer, kidney diseases,heart diseases, strokes, accidental deaths, natural disaster, killings, low life expectancy, high mother and child mortality rate etc among Christian population?
All these are universal and are not unique to one religion.
To Scientific minds that rose like philosophers, thinkers that broke the societal and cultural norms and threaded the path of logical, critical and rational thoughts in order to arrive at a very objective answer(s) to the cause of things.
Some of them suffered discrimination while many were exiled and killed for simply being rational and logical.
For simply refusing to conform with the superstitious and mythological things.
And here we are in the 21st century, where Science have provided answers to most pressing questions.
Brought cure to many diseases.
Many infants, animals, twins,adult humans, albinos have been killed to appease so many deities in the past just because of human ignorance.
The did all that cuz they assumed some natural phenomenon like earthquakes, volcano, tsunami, hurricanes, draught, epidemic, pandemic, twins, albinism, etc to be as the result of the gods being angry.
Have you wondered why human population have grown so rapidly towards the beginning of 20th century to date?
This is as a result of advancement in medicine.
Science is providing cures for so many diseases and is abating the mortality rate among children 0-5years due to immunization/vaccines.
About 90% of children born are now able to reach reproductive age.
For without Science, many cultures would have been living in abject ignorance and their population subjected to extreme law of natural selection.
Science choose the path of physical observation, theorizing, experimenting, re-experimenting before drawing unbiased conclusions which will be subjected to objective criticisms if the need arises.
Science accept their flaws and gives room for correction.
But religion hates to be corrected or Reformed.
To the fundamentalists and Extremists, it is a word or command of God /Allah, hence no questioning.
When u enquire about the purported heaven, paradise and hell, u will just be told to believe or else u will cast into hell when u dies.
some Religion won't even allow you to die naturally 1st and go to hell.
They will behead you instantly, so that you will go to hell instantly.
A times, I do think, why is it that the God that brought down the tower of Babel in the Bible doesn't bring down the rising towers , the aeroplanes, rockets that are exploring the universe.
Science have demystify so many superstition, mythology made up due to man's ignorance.
Note:If you don't understand Maths, you may not be good in logic and reasoning.
This is why Mathematics is made compulsory for courses like Engineering, Medicine and Surgery, Law, Computer science etc
Science will continue to relegate Religion to the background.
I have also thought why there is no much religious related terrorism in UAE and Saudi Arabia as compared to Yemen, Afghanistan, Syria Nigeria etc.
Then I realized maybe Saudis and Emirates are super rich and have most of the their wards schooling in the Overseas.
And sound and quality education is the best solution to Religion extremism.
Because, it's extremely difficult to brainwash someone with quality education.
Maybe that's why the Saudi Prince is making so many reforms.
For you can't expect the product of the likes of Ivy's, Havard's etc to continue implementing outdated, archaic and irrational beliefs in the name of being conservative.
Sorry to say this : I see some extremely religious people as psychopaths.
I personally think, if you choose to evolve with your brains, choose Science, else be stuck with the medieval philosophy that gave birth to so many mythological beliefs.
The choice is yours.
Spot on. While religion and religious beliefs have failed to provide solutions to problems in the world, science has risen to the occasion. Recent example is the coronavirus pandemic that led to prohibition of religious gatherings and yet their various gods still did nothing until the spread was contained through scientific methods.
Re: The Man/deity Called God by trillest1960: 10:38pm On Jan 07, 2022
ThinkSmarter, brother it is a thing of great joy to me that you are awakened.. But your inquiry is not quite complete yet. If you take your inquiry a little farther you will arrive at the undeniable conclusion that indeed there is a supreme being and true religion which is the practice of contemplation and inner inquiry into the nature of reality is the only means to realize that God. True religion has nothing to do neither with dogma nor blind believe. Just as u are inquiring now, keep on inquiring, if you're persistent enough, truth reveals itself to you. People have misunderstood things like hell, heaven, death, birth, eternity, God, Sin and so forth, hence the irrational mystification of these terms which are not in their true meaning any mystery. I could give you a solid logical explanation of these terms. But spiritual awakening is a gradual process to be unfolded at the pace of one's inner development and maturity. One thing I want you to know is that Christ is real, the kingdom of God is real, hell is real, heaven is real, God is real, but all these have being misunderstood, even our A list men of God do not truly comprehend the subtle doctrine Christ enunciated. Keep on searching and remain open, when you're ready u will eventually get to the truth, knowing which, all that is to be known in life, you will know. When you meet the truth, you wouldn't have any resistance because it'll resonate. It feels like something you already knew but forgot. Remember only truth can set man free from the sorrows and bondage of mortality. I was once like you, disturbed and sceptic, now i realize why i felt that way, i was awake, i never believed in any of these religions. God bless you. May the infinite spirit enlighten your intellect!❤❤❤
Re: The Man/deity Called God by trillest1960: 11:16pm On Jan 07, 2022
As per your perspective regarding science as a better alternative to religion. It should be understood that secular science is the rational investigation of material phenomena, man is not constituted of matter alone. While these material comforts have improved the quality of our material life, it is a well known fact that we're not any happier or peaceful than our predecessors. No generation has enjoyed this degree of comfort and yet no generation has seen more suicides and neurosis, save for those unlucky chaps that witnessed the world wars. It is quite evident that mere material comforts cannot satisfy the desperate pangs of the human bosom. . Why?? Because man is not constituted of matter alone. Man is spirit in matter envelopments. Unless he rediscovers his eternal spiritual splendour, his mind can never know rest. Even the very science you so advocate is only but an expression of the human mind longing to understand the true nature of it's reality.
Lemme ask you this Has man really made any progress??
He went from killing a few hundreds with bows and clubs to annihilating whole races with poisoned gas and nuclear weapons, how is that civilization?? The end is still the same only the means changed! I see no real innovation in that bro. I'm not against science, true religion is never against science God forbid! In fact true religion is a science in itself, the science of understanding life as it is. I just want you to see that even secular science is but an expression of the human mind's longing for spiritual truth. Only truth can pacify the thirsts of the human soul. As for the blind believers, well, what to do?? They know not better, only the unintelligent are deceived by this counterfeit religion widely practiced. Thank God u know better. But don't stop here, Go further.
Stay blessed.❤❤❤

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Re: The Man/deity Called God by ThinkSmarter: 7:39am On Jan 08, 2022
trillest1960:
ThinkSmarter, brother it is a thing of great joy to me that you are awakened.. But your inquiry is not quite complete yet. If you take your inquiry a little farther you will arrive at the undeniable conclusion that indeed there is a supreme being and true religion which is the practice of contemplation and inner inquiry into the nature of reality is the only means to realize that God. True religion has nothing to do neither with dogma nor blind believe. Just as u are inquiring now, keep on inquiring, if you're persistent enough, truth reveals itself to you. People have misunderstood things like hell, heaven, death, birth, eternity, God, Sin and so forth, hence the irrational demystification of these terms which are not in their true meaning any mystery. I could give you a solid logical explanation of these terms. But spiritual awakening is a gradual process to be unfolded at the pace of one's inner development and maturity. One thing I want you to know is that Christ is real, the kingdom of God is real, hell is real, heaven is real, God is real, but all these have being misunderstood, even our A list men of God do not truly comprehend the subtle doctrine Christ enunciated. Keep on searching and remain open, when you're ready u will eventually get to the truth, knowing which, all that is to be known in life, you will know. When you meet the truth, you wouldn't have any resistance because it'll resonate. It feels like something you already knew but forgot. Remember only truth can set man free from the sorrows and bondage of mortality. I was once like you, disturbed and sceptic, now i realize why i felt that way, i was awake, i never believed in any of these religions. God bless you. May the infinite spirit enlighten your intellect!❤❤❤
Thank your encouragement

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Re: The Man/deity Called God by Dtruthspeaker: 10:01am On Jan 08, 2022
ThinkSmarter:
...And in Belief system, u don't have to prove anything within the boundaries of intelligence, rational, critical and logical thoughts.

Complete Rotten Food! All because, like many of you church goers/bible readers, you never figured out what "Believe/Faith" meant!

How do you people write a whole 320 pages book in a single page, when a post implies a short message?.

ThinkSmarter:
...Have u wondered why other animals apart from humans don't indulge in religion, this because of their low intelligence.

Now you are happy to stoop so down low to compare yourself with a lizard or chicken. shocked

What a degradation!

ThinkSmarter:

Our imagination is the cause of all technology and religion.
Technologies are our visible imaginations.

Did God not say whatsoever we imagine that we shall do? Nothing new!

ThinkSmarter:

Take a look at this : According to the Bible, pigeons, bulls, rams etc were offered to Yahweh as a sin and burnt offerings.
Imagine the CEO of Toyota demanding a particular brand of Toyota like Toyota 4Runner as a gift or sacrifice from his employees that offending him.

Now your thinking is in complete dissaray for their is no difference between Mr. Toyoda and his employees and the highest lawful power he has over his employees is to sack them.

Or the employees can elect to resign/sack themselves by refusing to work.

So who is going to lawfully settle the offence Mr Toyoda has against his employees?

Continue thinking and i hope you remove every viruse which distorts your thinking processes.

ThinkSmarter:

Also, the case of Jesus Christ as God's only begotten son (contradicting the true sons of God earlier recorded in Genesis 6) as an offering to appease God for the redemption of mankind.
This is like President Buhari giving out Yusuf, his only son for Nigerians to kill in order for him to forgive Nigerians for their actions against the President.

Same as Mr. Toyoda and Employees, like tyre dying for headlight. grin what a stupidity.

ThinkStupidly is surely your name. grin

Let me stop here after all nothing good is here.
Re: The Man/deity Called God by Dtruthspeaker: 10:29am On Jan 08, 2022
Ramirezkhay:
Sorry to interfere lol... we were told God is all knowing but can you please answer this questions; No 1- Are you saying God is already aware that Adam and Eve will eat from the fruit in the garden but He intentionally planted it there to test them?

DO YOU NOT KNOW that your children will fail their exams?

DO YOU NOT KNOW that your children will pass their exams?

Did you stop from taking the exams?

Or does the exam stop you from having children?

Of course not. Your will of having children shall be done.

Ramirezkhay:

No 2- why did God regretted making humans on earth because they ended up eating from the fruit he forbids them to eat since He's all knowing, I don't think He should feel so amazed or regret the outcome

After your children have failed their exams, would you be proud to declare to the world that those failures of a children are your children?

Of course, you would not.
Re: The Man/deity Called God by Dtruthspeaker: 10:38am On Jan 08, 2022
trillest1960:
ThinkSmarter, brother it is a thing of great joy to me that you are awakened.. But your inquiry is not quite complete yet. If you take your inquiry a little farther you will arrive at the undeniable conclusion that indeed there is a supreme being and true religion which is the practice of contemplation and inner inquiry into the nature of reality is the only means to realize that God. True religion has nothing to do neither with dogma nor blind believe. Just as u are inquiring now, keep on inquiring, if you're persistent enough, truth reveals itself to you. People have misunderstood things like hell, heaven, death, birth, eternity, God, Sin and so forth, hence the irrational mystification of these terms which are not in their true meaning any mystery. I could give you a solid logical explanation of these terms. But spiritual awakening is a gradual process to be unfolded at the pace of one's inner development and maturity. One thing I want you to know is that Christ is real, the kingdom of God is real, hell is real, heaven is real, God is real, but all these have being misunderstood, even our A list men of God do not truly comprehend the subtle doctrine Christ enunciated. Keep on searching and remain open, when you're ready u will eventually get to the truth, knowing which, all that is to be known in life, you will know. When you meet the truth, you wouldn't have any resistance because it'll resonate. It feels like something you already knew but forgot. Remember only truth can set man free from the sorrows and bondage of mortality. I was once like you, disturbed and sceptic, now i realize why i felt that way, i was awake, i never believed in any of these religions. God bless you. May the infinite spirit enlighten your intellect!❤❤❤

It is impossible for evil to see in the light. Darkness and Stupidity is their way.
Re: The Man/deity Called God by trillest1960: 1:10pm On Jan 08, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:


It is impossible for evil to see in the light. Darkness and Stupidity is their way.
I believe you can express yourself without being childish bro. The man is just expressing his reasonable doubts regarding religion and God. Every thoughtful person must have been in his shoes at some point in their life. It's better to ask questions and attain clarity than just blindly believing.

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Re: The Man/deity Called God by Dtruthspeaker: 3:20pm On Jan 08, 2022
trillest1960:

I believe you can express yourself without being childish bro. The man is just expressing his reasonable doubts regarding religion and God. Every thoughtful person must have been in his shoes at some point in their life. It's better to ask questions and attain clarity than just blindly believing.

I can and I do speak evenly ONLY AND UNTIL I SEE A VERY WICKED AND UNREASONABLE INFRACTION.

I love the fact that you raised "reasonable doubt".

Reasonable doubt is not the same as malicious judgement advanced in the form of "reasonable" query.

Reasonable doubt implies a normal Good Intended or Good Directed Natural Thinking which may or may not be correct BUT IT IS CERTAINLY NOT BAD INTENDED (MALICE) ILL THOUGHT AND WRONGLY PROCESSED JUDGEMENT PUT FORWARD IN A REASONABLY SOUNDING LANGUAGE.

THIS IS A COMPLETE BAD FAITH POST EXACTLY THE TYPE THAT WILL AND MUST BE WRITTEN BY A HATE FILLED ENEMY OF GOD.

It has no reasonability or balance.

Be not be deceived, the mere fact a presentation looks reasonable does not mean it is reasonable. Poison is always put in a good looking plate of food!
Re: The Man/deity Called God by Ramirezkhay(m): 5:19pm On Jan 08, 2022
cheesy

Your explanation doesn't corelate with what we're saying bruh, sorry if it sounds harsh!

I guess you think I'm omnipotent with what you said


grin grin

Dtruthspeaker:


DO YOU NOT KNOW that your children will fail their exams?

DO YOU NOT KNOW that your children will pass their exams?

Did you stop from taking the exams?

Or does the exam stop you from having children?

Of course not. Your will of having children shall be done.



After your children have failed their exams, would you be proud to declare to the world that those failures of a children are your children?

Of course, you would not.
Re: The Man/deity Called God by Dtruthspeaker: 5:30pm On Jan 08, 2022
Ramirezkhay:
cheesy

Your explanation doesn't corelate with what we're saying bruh, sorry if it sounds harsh!

I guess you think I'm omnipotent with what you said


grin grin


grin You fool thyself alone! You now pretend that you do not know that God truly made you to look like Him (in Nigerian english, you say "resemble Him)

So you have no choice but to stay silent After I have now shown you your own omnipotentness and how you took the plunge, risk and all for either Shame or Shine, Humiliation or Praise! grin
Re: The Man/deity Called God by Ramirezkhay(m): 5:57pm On Jan 08, 2022
cheesy

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grin grin
Dtruthspeaker:


grin You fool thyself alone! You now pretend that you do not know that God truly made you to look like Him (in Nigerian english, you say "resemble Him)

So you have no choice but to stay silent After I have now shown you your own omnipotentness and how you took the plunge, risk and all for either Shame or Shine, Humiliation or Praise! grin
Re: The Man/deity Called God by trillest1960: 8:37pm On Jan 08, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:


I can and I do speak evenly ONLY AND UNTIL I SEE A VERY WICKED AND UNREASONABLE INFRACTION.

I love the fact that you raised "reasonable doubt".

Reasonable doubt is not the same as malicious judgement advanced in the form of "reasonable" query.

Reasonable doubt implies a normal Good Intended or Good Directed Natural Thinking which may or may not be correct BUT IT IS CERTAINLY NOT BAD INTENDED (MALICE) ILL THOUGHT AND WRONGLY PROCESSED JUDGEMENT PUT FORWARD IN A REASONABLY SOUNDING LANGUAGE.

THIS IS A COMPLETE BAD FAITH POST EXACTLY THE TYPE THAT WILL AND MUST BE WRITTEN BY A HATE FILLED ENEMY OF GOD.

It has no reasonability or balance.

Be not be deceived, the mere fact a presentation looks reasonable does not mean it is reasonable. Poison is always put in a good looking plate of food!
I'm just saying It doesn't have to be personal.. I don't think God needs the defendance of his beilevers. People are built differently. One man is of an emotional nature, he easily believes in God without the slightest shred of doubt. Whereas Another man of a dominantly intellectual nature cannot believe anything that does not appeal to logic and rational thought. Therefore it seems like he is rebelling because he applies logic to religious ideas, scriptures and doctrines and they don't seem to make any sense to him. But in truth he is only trying to understand God through the tool he has been equipped with by the life giving principle. Only because you and I cannot be patient enough to give him logical answers does he remain a sceptic or a rebel as you assume he is. Attacking such a man is of no use, logical explanations of the mysteries of religion is the only sensible way to counter such an Individual. Stay blessed❤❤❤
Re: The Man/deity Called God by ThinkSmarter: 9:39pm On Jan 08, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:


It is impossible for evil to see in the light. Darkness and Stupidity is their way.
lol
I'm glad that you are so pissed off with my write-ups.
That's how you religious lots behave like drug addicts.
Bunch of extremists, potential terrorists.
You are pissed off that my religious views are different from yours.
You are pissed off that I am open minded.
You are pissed off that I chose not to be a sheeple.
You are pissed off that I subjected your God and Holy book into scrutiny.
You want me not to deploy common sense and logic in analyzing your medieval religious literature book.
It's late bro, humans have really evolved beyond the yoke of Religion.
Deal with it.

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Re: The Man/deity Called God by Dtruthspeaker: 6:23am On Jan 09, 2022
ThinkSmarter:
lol
I'm glad that you are so pissed off with my write-ups.
That's how you religious lots behave like drug addicts.
Bunch of extremists, potential terrorists.
You are pissed off that my religious views are different from yours.
You are pissed off that I am open minded.
You are pissed off that I chose not to be a sheeple.
You are pissed off that I subjected your God and Holy book into scrutiny.
You want me not to deploy common sense and logic in analyzing your medieval religious literature book.
It's late bro, humans have really evolved beyond the yoke of Religion.
Deal with it.

grin Thinko, think well and think properly, think fairly, presume a persons innocence unless and until you find IRREBUTABLE PROOF he is guilty, that is what normal people do, even in the market place and that is all I ask. .

Bad thinking is exactly like taking the positive terminal wire of a battery and placing it on the negative terminal of another battery while trying to jump start a car. You will burn the batteries and maybe the car and your mechanic will throw spanners on your head.

Same for houses.

Bad connections burn things down and the only people who do this are fools and murderers.
Re: The Man/deity Called God by Dtruthspeaker: 6:51am On Jan 09, 2022
trillest1960:

I'm just saying It doesn't have to be personal.. I don't think God needs the defendance of his beilevers.

He is Personally Attacking God and you say it is good that he does it, but I should not?

When a person accuses you of being a bandit/yahoo calling for your burning, would you not demand for a FAIR TRIAL?

So imagine that you are just going to work and a bunch people take hold of you, beat you up preparing to burn you ALL BECAUSE ONE IDIOT SOMEWHERE SAID YOU ARE A KIDNAPPER/YAHOO, would that be just and right?

Tell me, would you not be glad that your Relative/Family/ Friend was there at the time the he was making these accusations IN YOUR ABSENCE, to correct and set the accuser aright?

In Nigerian speak, do we not say "talk am for Hin Front"?

There isn't anything good he has done. He Surely doth Condemn God even before He hath heard Him.

Then the worst of all is when He even makes Accusations frought with Lies Against The Most Good and Most Holy Who Never Does A Wrong!

trillest1960:

...Therefore it seems like he is rebelling because he applies logic to religious ideas, scriptures and doctrines and they don't seem to make any sense to him. But in truth he is only trying to understand God through the tool he has been equipped with by the life giving principle...

Natural logic clearly guides us towards asking questions alone as our children have proven to us and many nairalanders do here eg daddy, how did you stop the car? Or mummy, why do you put salt in food?

But if a child said "daddy how did you stop the car? Ok, it is the car that knew to stop" which father did not turn and give that child an angry stare and depending on his mood on the day, an involuntary thwack may just land on the child with a flurry of insults and ridicule?

Truth is obtained by asking questions, even proper questions AND NOT BY ADVANCING YOUR OWN DESIRED ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS POSED.

IT IS NO LONGER A TRUTH DEMANDING QUESTION BUT A PRESENTATION.
Re: The Man/deity Called God by ThinkSmarter: 7:42am On Jan 09, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:


grin Thinko, think well and think properly, think fairly, presume a persons innocence unless and until you find IRREBUTABLE PROOF he is guilty, that is what normal people do, even in the market place and that is all I ask. .

Bad thinking is exactly like taking the positive terminal wire of a battery and placing it on the negative terminal of another battery while trying to jump start a car. You will burn the batteries and maybe the car and your mechanic will throw spanners on your head.

Same for houses.

Bad connections burn things down and the only people who do this are fools and murderers.

U think u represent God or christianity, but u lack decorum and civility.
U are always quick to call names.
What happened to meekness, patience, kindness, slow to anger, love that Jesus so much preached?
U re temperamental, and u need to work on ur emotion.
Imagine guiding me on the way to think to conform with ur thoughts.

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Re: The Man/deity Called God by Dtruthspeaker: 8:20am On Jan 09, 2022
ThinkSmarter:
U think u represent God or christianity, but u lack decorum and civility.
U are always quick to call names.
What happened to meekness, patience, kindness, slow to anger, love that Jesus so much preached?
U re temperamental, and u need to work on ur emotion.

Did you not hear that there is a time for everything?

Or did you not hear "they that forsake The Law praise the wicked but such as keep The Law contend with them"?

Or that an UNJUST MAN is an Abomination to the Just?"

Or that these six things The Lord Hate: yea seven are ABOMINATIONS" of which you accomplished 5 of them? Of which this Law was for the preservation of man to his fellow man but you did not Fear but went up to attack The Lord Himself?

Oh Lord, please Come and wipe all these evils permanently away as you Hath Said

ThinkSmarter:

Imagine guiding me on the way to think to conform with ur thoughts.

Mad men too think and express the results of the thinking and we call them mad!

And your thinking is exactly as they are, thus, art thou also mad as the madmen we see in the streets?
Re: The Man/deity Called God by ThinkSmarter: 12:52am On Jan 10, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:


Did you not hear that there is a time for everything?

Or did you not hear "they that forsake The Law praise the wicked but such as keep The Law contend with them"?

Or that an UNJUST MAN is an Abomination to the Just?"

Or that these six things The Lord Hate: yea seven are ABOMINATIONS" of which you accomplished 5 of them? Of which this Law was for the preservation of man to his fellow man but you did not Fear but went up to attack The Lord Himself?

Oh Lord, please Come and wipe all these evils permanently away as you Hath Said



Mad men too think and express the results of the thinking and we call them mad!

And your thinking is exactly as they are, thus, art thou also mad as the madmen we see in the streets?












Fvck off, You extremist cum terrorist.
A religious fanatic with heart filled with hate.
Re: The Man/deity Called God by Dtruthspeaker: 5:00pm On Jan 10, 2022
ThinkSmarter:
Fvck off, You extremist cum terrorist.
A religious fanatic with heart filled with hate.

Now it's clear you are truly Mad!

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