adamsmith914:
From the thief that initially stole it?

eduj:


When did I make such a claim ?

Unlike you ,I don't argue about things am not aware of (it's a skill learn it).
The only accusation I made on this thread is that your a lieing yeriba and the only evidence I need is all your anti-igbo comment on Nairaland .

Meanwhile, back to the issue, someone posted a picture and said it's ojukwu's house stolen by sari wiwa. You claim it's a lie and ask the person you accused of lieing to provide evidence.

Am pretty sure that the burden of proof lies on the accuser. You said the picture couldn't be that of ojukwu's house - prove it .

That's how the law works

Malawian:

One of your brothers up there said you Yoruba kept all our properties for us in South West and gave it back to us. Just to answer the obvious question, everyone is beating about the bush. Imagine other smaller ones we know nothing about.

DOTian:


That's what happens when there's no central leadership. Most of you don't know that Gowon went out of the way to destroy any semblance of collective leadership amongst the igbos. So much so that his government banned the igbo State Union, which was the umbrella body that chatted a purposeful political and cultural future for the igbos. Igbos with strong Igbo nationalist views were summarily dealt with and allienated from governance.

Ultimately, imposters like Ukpabi Asika and crew took over and crafted a post civil war trend that prepared the igbos for greater presence outside igboland as the central government refused any serious investments in the East. Moving outside igboland became a survivalist alternative as a result. I guess it's time for such investments to be channelled back into the east. But the fact was that if the Igbo man refused to do so immediately after the war, his economic condition would have worsened..

Christistruth00:





Before that ever happened Azikiwe as Premier of the East Commandered much of Port Harcourt Lands for Government Projects and shared much of it among his Kinsmen and Friends by the time Ojukwu took over 93 % of Port Harcourt Lands had been forcefully acquired by non Indigenes through Azikiwe’s scheming

On Freehold O !
Not on leasehold that would have returned the land to the indigenes after 99 years

The Indigenes Of Port Harcourt were practically Squatters on their own Ancestral Lands

There worse part was that selling land was against their Culture so the Easter Region had acquired the Lands by Strong Arm Tactics

Adaka Boro and his boys were like , you have pushed us too the wall and we are not having this

That was what led to the Adaka Boro Niger Delta Revolution Of 1966

IGBOSON1:


You’d do well to zip your hateful mouth so you don’t keep exposing your crass idiocy!

Pray tell, what ‘suffer’ did ‘other tribes’ suffer in the Eastern Region under Igbos!? I guess you, more than 60 years later, have more facts and information than the Willinks investigative commission that looked into said allegations. Copies of the commissions findings have previously been posted on this forum!

Nobody is saying things were perfect back then, but to come on here and suggest Igbos were oppressing, dehumanising, cheating and murdering other ethnicities in the region....such a suggestion is not only mischievous but outrightly wicked and disingenuous! What the Igbo, Ijaw, Ogoni, Ikwerre, etc, had in the then Eastern Region is El-Dorado compared to what we all are going through in the ‘liberated’ East that the Fulani, Yoruba and some daft, insecure ethnicities in the the Eastern Region bequeathed Nigeria! Shebi we’re now all living and ‘enjoying’ the alternative to Igbo ‘domination’....the ‘utopia and uhuru’ these anti-Igbos fought for! Hope you’re enjoying it!?

In the early 60s....right up to the ill-advised coup and subsequent uncivil war, regions in Nigeria were developing rapidly....at their own pace, while using their own resources! The Eastern Region under Dr M I Okpara was then adjudged to be one of the fastest growing economies in the world! Even with the benefit of hindsight, you still persist in arguing the Igbo and political-economy of the then Eastern Region was ‘oppressive, detrimental and wicked’ to the other ethnicities in the region!?

aribisala0:
Was Ojukwu close to Abacha?
Were they gay partners?
Where is the video recording of this visit?

You just wake up , overdose on akpu and start vomiting nonsense

adamsmith914:
What does ibo have to do with Lord Wilikson’s report, it was free the minorities from their oppressors.

Putindbutt:

There was a clamour for the creation of COR states but was denied them. They wanted an independent state from ibo majority.

IGBOSON1:


Besides the issue Ikemba has with the federal government over his Dads property, i can’t say i heard of any abandoned property issue in the Western Region! But looking at the whole picture, one could equally argue Awo and other leaders in the west wanted to give the impression of being ‘fair and just’ to Igbos....which all rings hollow when you consider Awo had just been responsible for the starvation of thousands....if not millions of Igbo, and had joined the Fulani hegemony to wage war on a people fighting against ethnic-cleansing and islamofascism! This was the same Awo that had earlier declared Nigeria ‘a mere geographical expression’ and equally declared that ‘if by omission or commission the East were ALLOWED to secede, that the Western Region would japa as well (and i’m paraphrasing here)’!

The Ijaw and others who rushed to appropriate Igbo properties were blind in their greed, and weren’t on to the divide-and-rulen tactics the hegemony and their southern ally (who decades later can now claim they didn’t seize Igbo properties in their region) were using to set brother against brother in the east!

ugo4u:

It's a waste of time arguing with you. e no dey hard Una to descend into tribal tirade.. thank you for wasting my time.
Good night.

Tranquill:


Saro Wiwa is only a thief with no shame if he was actually posing in Ojukwu Father's property that he seized as claimed by the op. Otherwise, it is you and the op that are thieves.

You guys just sit down and concoct stories to continue to feed the hatred that you have for other tribes while you expect them to love you.

Was Saro Wiwa in a position to seize Abandoned properties? A lot of you are just so ignorant and don't even make efforts to educate yourselves.

The last I checked, Abacha returned Ojukwu family propery located at forces Avenue PH seized by the federal government to them that even Chukwuemeka Odimegwu Ojukwu appropriated to himself and refused to share with his siblings which caused them to sue him in court.

Everytime you guys open threads that give you the platform to begin to insult and tell lies about other people and tribes. It doesn't help you in any way.

eduj:

Through theft ?

aribisala0:


Do not elevate yourself to some importance you do not deserve
In your mind you are contending issues with me while to me you are a pesky irritant
I entered this thread to challenge the claims being made. If you did not make them then who is the troll?

You are a noise maker and illiterate


He who asserts must prove

If you say there are green men with yellow tails living in Lagos and I say no

The burden of proof lies on the asserter

Ei incumbio probatio qui dicit non qui negat
No one can prove a negative

It is incumbent on he who declares a thing to prove it not he who denies to disprove
Go and play with your intellectual peers
Do you not know how foolish you sound asking me to prove IT IS NOT Ojukwu's property?
What is the address of the property?

oyatz:



Get your facts right;


Awolowo was only premier of Western Region between 1952-1959. During the civil war, Military Governors were the people in-charge of the S/West and not Awolowo.



Awolowo was the minister of finance during the war and the Igbo accusation is that the blockade was his idea .


Awolowo, was not in-charge of feeding Biafrans, so the often repeated allegation that he starved Biafrans is a bold lie.


What really happened was that the Federal Military Government effected a land, sea and air blockade of Biafra to prevent smuggling of weapons into the secessionist enclave.

It must be noted that by this time, the Ijaw, Ogoni, Oron ,Efik and most of the coastal peoples cooperated with the military Government to make sure that this policy worked.

The Gowon Regime provided a safe land corridors for food and other relief materials to reach Biafra with the condition of 100% inspection by Federal Authority, a great humanitarian gesture which the Biafran Authority rejected. Ojukwu, instead preferred air-lifting of food (+ weapons) from Sao Tome & Principle to land at a clandestine 'Airport' called the Uli Airstrip which operated between 12 midnight -3am.

When the 3rd Marine Commando under Obasanjo captured the Uli Airstrip in 1969, it signalled the beginning of the end of Biafra.

revolt:
Are you mad? Do you not know how saro wiwa and dirty spiff the then military governor of newly created riverstate started the abandoned property campaign as well as renaming all streets. You guys think you can rewrite history ...No.. History will never die. We will continue to learn from it. I have no problem with sato wiwas ppl but the man Saro wiwa was not a hero to igbos. Heat have been a hero to ogoni ppl but no one can justify his abandoned property contribution ...

aribisala0:


Hold Ojukwu responsible for the starvation of his people not Awolowo
Alll that nonsense you are writing on Awolowo holds no water

There is no where you go to war and expect to be fed by your adversaries
Ojukwu imposed unrealistic conditions on food supply and he was served

so stop all these tactics that you folk always use

When losing an
argument just bring in more irrelevant nonsense to confuse the undiscerning

What has this thread got to do with starvation?

Ojukwu was a key figure in the war and it was appropriate to seize his property
After he was pardoned he went to court all the way to the Supreme Court to retrieve his property so why all these claims of victimhood

Yes Awolowo was fair to Eboes
He saved the Federal allocation for the war period without Gowon's knowledge and handed it over at the end of the war. He also recapitalized ACB

He was a lot fairer to the same people who conspired to jail him than they would have been if roles were reversed

IGBOSON1:


‘There is nowhere you go to war and expect to be fed by your adversaries’! This is a comment that can only come from a hateful, medieval-minded thug who doesn’t know what the rules of engagement are between two parties at war!

Ever heard of the Geneva convention!? Well, the Gowon gov’t (of which Awo was a central figure during the war years) fell foul of this convention on many fronts!

Nobody expected you to ‘feed the adversary’ as you claim, but you were EXPECTED BY INTERNATIONAL LAW, not to wickedly mount a food blockade around the territory of said adversary...more so, after you had used your hired Arab pilots to strafe Biafran farmlands, schools and markets! The so called ‘police action’ couldn’t be concluded on the battlefield, as your lot expected...your pogrom-loving, murderous and weakass Nigerian soldiers weren’t up to the task, so Awo brought up the ‘brilliant’ idea to starve non-combatants so the Biafra military high-command would capitulate! It never for one moment bothered him that his plan would target non-combatants, but so long as the Biafran soldiers couldn’t be defeated on the battlefield...man-to-man, this was the only alternative that would see the northern hegemony ‘win’ the war and sustain the geographical expression Awo had been against from the onset!

One would have expected a man, who said Nigeria was a mere geographical expression, to take advantage of the fact the northern hegemony had their hands full facing Biafra, and work towards pulling his own region/people out from the contraption as well! One would have expected Awo not to speak from both sides of his mouth, but act based on his earlier assertion that ‘if by omission or commission, Biafra was allowed to secede, that the Western Region would leave also’! This statement, more than anything else, showed he thought he had the authority and backing of the Yoruba to determine if they remain in Nigeria or secede! His pronouncements said one thing, while his actions said another! If that isn’t the height of deception, double-speak and being two-faced then i don’t know what is!

Awo was in no way ‘fair’ to Ndigbo! Having a sudden prick of conscience after helping the northern Islamic hegemony to get away with murder (murder before and during the uncivil war), is not any sane persons definition of being fair! If you wanna talk of Yoruba who were fair to Ndigbo, you talk of Soyinka and Fela! And i’m sure if Gani Fawehinmi had something to say on the matter, he’d be fair-minded as well!

One thing i’ve noticed about Yoruba bigots like you is you are not prepared to admit Awo made a few wrong calls as pertains his stance on the uncivil war, ‘one Nigeria’, and the place of the Yoruba race in the world comity of nations! Igbos have severally made known their feelings on Zik and his love for ‘one Nigeria’ over and above that which he had for his ethnicity, but not bigoted Yoruba like you! You’d sooner take a bullet than admit Awo was anything but infallible and holy!

No amount of monies handed back to Igbos as a result of having a guilty conscience and to make himself out to be ‘the good guy’, can compensate for the millions of innocent lives he helped waste for a cause he never believed in ab-initio! If he had apologised before passing on, or if his apostles like you had shown a bit of remorse, then that would be a different case. But no....you still insist till tomorrow that Awo is blameless and fair-minded!

You see how your hateful and vindictive mind works!? Let’s say, for the sake of argument that Zik planned with the Balewa gov’t to throw Awo in jail on trumped up charges of treasonable felony.....let’s just say for a moment this was true (even though i don’t believe it happened as you say), you mean to tell me that was justification enough for him to ally with the very same group (northern hegemony) responsible for throwing him in jail in the first place!? Unless of course you’re now saying it was Zik who dreamt up the whole plan and bullied the Balewa gov’t into executing it!? Even at that, it shows your level of hate, depravity and malevolence that you could use the purported actions of Zik as justification for visiting such level of misplaced retribution on the entire Igbo race!

Your case is irredeemable! Your hate and bigotry have turned you into the very epitome of evil!

eduj:

You meant bought it ?
And meanwhile most of pH is still back in the hands of those you love to hate

oyatz:



Get your facts right;


Awolowo was only premier of Western Region between 1952-1959. During the civil war, Military Governors were the people in-charge of the S/West and not Awolowo.


Awolowo, was not in-charge of feeding Biafrans, so the often repeated allegation that he starved Biafrans is a bold lie.


What really happened was that the Federal Military Government effected a land, sea and air blockade of Biafra to prevent smuggling of weapons into the secessionist enclave.

It must be noted that by this time, the Ijaw, Ogoni, Oron ,Efik and most of the coastal peoples cooperated with the military Government to make sure that this policy worked.

The Gowon Regime provided a safe land corridors for food and other relief materials to reach Biafra with the condition of 100% inspection by Federal Authority, a great humanitarian gesture which the Biafran Authority rejected. Ojukwu, instead preferred air-lifting of food (+ weapons) from Sao Tome & Principle to land at a clandestine 'Airport' called the Uli Airstrip which operated between 12 midnight -3am.

When the 3rd Marine Commando under Obasanjo captured the Uli Airstrip in 1969, it signalled the beginning of the end of Biafra.

revolt:
Are you mad? Do you not know how saro wiwa and dirty spiff the then military governor of newly created riverstate started the abandoned property campaign as well as renaming all streets. You guys think you can rewrite history ...No.. History will never die. We will continue to learn from it. I have no problem with sato wiwas ppl but the man Saro wiwa was not a hero to igbos. Heat have been a hero to ogoni ppl but no one can justify his abandoned property contribution ...

oyatz:



Get your facts right;


The Gowon Regime provided a safe land corridors for food and other relief materials to reach Biafra with the condition of 100% inspection by Federal Authority, a great humanitarian gesture which the Biafran Authority rejected. Ojukwu, instead preferred air-lifting of food (+ weapons) from Sao Tome & Principle to land at a clandestine 'Airport' called the Uli Airstrip which operated between 12 midnight -3am.

When the 3rd Marine Commando under Obasanjo captured the Uli Airstrip in 1969, it signalled the beginning of the end of Biafra.

aribisala0:
I don't do emotional

Talk facts


Where is the evidence that that was Ojukwu's property

Idiko1:


The bolded is very wrong therefore the subsequent junks are wrong too.

Idiko1:


The bolded is very wrong therefore the subsequent junks are wrong too.

oyatz:



Actually,a minor error was made in the date.

For clarification, Awolowo was first the Leader of Government Business in Western Region ,a position which was transformed into Premier of Western Region in 1954

All other discussions were facts that could be verified.

Idiko1:


In 1985, Air Commodore Gbolahan Mudashiru, then military governor of Lagos State evicted Emeka Ojukwu form Villaska Lodge which the governor claimed was an abandoned property. Yoruba, Ijaw and Ogoni peeps stole Igbo properties on the pretense of abandoned property in Lagos State and Rivers State.

FEGNO:
*The economy of the former Eastern Region was planned from ground up by the US consulting firm Arthur D. Little.*

*Dr. Azikiwe brought them and they worked with M I Okpara at first, then with Sam Otti and later Eluwa who headed the Civil Service and later with Sir Louis Phillip Odumegwu Ojukwu who at the time was the Chairman of the Eastern Nicerian Development Corporation (ENDC) and also the Chairman of the Eastern Nigeria Commodities Board (ENCB)*

Louis Phillip Odumegwu Ojukwu also sat as Chairman of 15 multinational companies at the time - John Holt, PZ, Michelin, Costain, Thomas Wyatt, Guinness, GB Ollivant etc

He was so rich that he single handedly funded the establishment of the Lagos Stock Exchange but refused to list his company there for fear of losing control

His photo still hangs proudly on the floor of that exchange as its first chairman

*Arthur D Little also worked with a coterie of young Eastern Nigerian economists at the time - Pius Okigbo (PhD Northwestern), Ukwu I. Ukwu (PhD Cambridge), Chukwu Sunday Okongwu (PhD Harvard). These young men in their early twenties worked with Arthur D Little to plan our economy from scratch*

I know this because Ukwu I Ukwu taught me at Nsukka and I also worked in Dr Chu SP Okongwu's economic planning firm right during and after grad school in Nigeria.

*Arthur D. Little recommended the setting up of a university in the East to produce key skills needed to drive economic growth as most of those skills were not being taught in Ibadan at the time*

*Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe sent Dr Akpabio (MA Columbia) who at the time was the East's Minister of Education on an extended tour to universities in Michigan and New York for collaboration in key fields like medicine, engineering,, surveying and photogrammetry and business administration.*

*UNN was the first school in Nigeria to offer many of these courses.* Ibadan at the time taught mostly Classics, General Science and later Medicine

*Palm oil, Palm Kernel, Coal, Cocoa (from Ikom), Coffee from Obudu and later petroleum from firstly Izombe - Oguta area and later from Oloibiri in Ijaw land drove the economy of the East*

*In terms of development, the East started late, compared to the West.*

*Development and education had started in Lagos and Abeokuta right after Beecroft occupied Lagos in 1850s and made it a British colony. Lagos and the SW thus had more than a 70 year headstart over the East in terms of total gross capital formation and the platform that it gave for growth.*

*But after the implementation of Arthur D Little's recommended growth plan, the East's economy grew at more than 9.2%, starting from 1958 till 1967 when the war began*

*At over 9%, the Eastern Region in this period, had the fastest growing economy on earth consistently for 9 years and was estimated to equal Western Nigeria by 1978 (in terms of total gross capital formation) and then overtake the Western Region after that.*

The civil war truncated that momentum and the East never recovered after that.

*Louis Philip Odumegwu Ojukwu brought his industrial influence to bear on the growth plan as he singlehandedly pushed for the establishment of not just industrial estates but industrial corridors in the region.*

*An industrial estate is localized. An industrial corridor joins two or more industrial estates to form an industrial conurbation.*

*Industrial estates sprang up across the East TransAmadi in PH.*

*Aba for light industries.*

*Umuahia for biotechnology.*

*Emene in Enugu for steel and industrial automation.*

*Nkalagu, PH and Calabar for cement and building materials.*

*Onitsha as an emporium to drive retail trading.*

*Obudu in Cross River for dairy, holidaying and corporate meetings.*

*Because he was the chairman of 15 multinational companies at the time, he used his influence to compel many of them to buy into the East's industrialization plan.*

*Okpara also partnered with Israel for the setting up of industrial farms and plantations - seedling production, extension services, assistance to farmers etc.*

*So plantations (cashew nuts, palm kernel, cocoa, coffee, timber etc) sprang up in Oghe (Enugu State), Okigwe (Abia State), Obudu, Itumbenuzor, Akamkpa all in Cross River state and in various parts of Rivers, Akwa Ibom, Imo, Abia etc.*

*Okpara personally delivered some of the seedlings himself by driving behind the trucks that did the delivery.*

*Sir Louis Phillip Odumegwu Ojukwu pushed for the establishment of 3 major cement plants in the region - Nkalagu, Eastern Bulkcem in PH and Calabar cement factory in Calabar.*

*Nkalagu and PH opened before the war started in 1967. Everything for the take off of the Calabar cement factory was purchased but the war truncated its take off.*

*In 1970, Governor Esuene of the newly-created Cross River State opened Calcemco plant to the appause of many.*

*Three industrial corridors were planned also planned for the East*

*The Emene-Nkalagu Industrial corridor which was to focus on automobiles, building materials and industrial automation. Kaiser Motors in the US at the time (it has since been acquired) had agreed to build a car plant in Emene and a plant for car engines. That corridor was to stretch for almost 100 miles*

*The second industrial corridor was to stretch between PH and Aba. So industrial centers were set up in Trans Amadi and in Aba and over a ten to 15 year period, these two centers were to be linked by many feeder industries that would be located on the highway joining both cities.*

*Okpara had hoped that over time, the PH-Aba industrial corridor would follow the old road between Port Harcourt and Enugu and join with the Emene - Nkalagu industrial corridor to create a massive industrial cornubation that almost imitates the almost 200 kilometer Ruhr Industrial Valley in Germany built under Chancellor Otto Von Bismarck*

*Onitsha was to drive the East's Retail economy and so the market was built there as an Emporium...to attract buyers from all over Nigeria and West and Central Africa so they could come spend their money in the East.*

*Dubai would copy this same model 50 years later and implement it successfully but on a global scale. Onitsha market achieved its purpose by 1958, two years after the East achieved self government. It became the preferred destination for retail and bulk shoppers from a over West Africa and even Cameroon, Gabon and Congo. This gave the Anambra Igbo a head start in retail trading...an advantage that they enjoy till date.*

*All of these development and growth projects were centrally driven by the Eastern Nigeria Development Corporation - ENDC and the revenues were centrally aggregated into the account of the Eastern Nigerian Commodities Board (ENCB). Both groups were headed by Sir Louis Phillip Odumegwu Ojukwu*

*Funds for development came mostly from 3 sources.*

*1. Local revenues from the export of cocoa(Ikom and Itumbenuzor), coffee (Obudu and Arochukwu), timber (Akamkpa) Coal (Enugu-Udi), Palm oil (Rivers, Imo, Abia), Palm kernel (Rivers, Imo, Abia)*

*2. Direct Foreign Investments*

*3. Loans from Commonwealth Development Corporation (CDC)*

*Umuahia was to midwife the Easts' biotechnology industries which explains why Golden Guinea Brewery and the Root Crop Research Instutute were established there.*

*Obudu because of its pristine hills and its fresh weather was to be a holiday resort for many as well as a primary center for a dairy industry that just started before the war commenced. Obudu Cattle Ranch was the first in a series of investments that got scuttled in Obudu by the war.*

*Lastly, oil was discovered late. Chief Nwodo, Eastern Nigeria's first Minister for Trade (father to the past Ohaneze Chairman) negotiated the first contracts with Shell on a 50-50 investment and sharing basis.*

*Virtually all of the East's oil assets were seized by the Federal Government under Gowon with no compensation paid till date. The Federal Government simply inherited the East's 50% slot and paid nothing for it. Today everyone profits from it*

*Most of the catalytic cracking and downward refineries that NNPC would later build were in the plans that the Eastern Regional Government had for the region.*

*Today, some of those plants are located in far away Kaduna and no mention is ever made of the East.*

*Every Nigerian today depends on that oil to survive including states that claim that they can survive from internally-generated revenues.*

*I believe that rather than whine everyday, we Igbos should sit down and learn our history...take a look at the growth plans that got scuttled in 1967 and see how we can work to together to pick up the pieces and build again from scratch*

*Nnamdi Ezeji*

Idiko1:


In 1985, Air Commodore Gbolahan Mudashiru, then military governor of Lagos State evicted Emeka Ojukwu form Villaska Lodge which the governor claimed was an abandoned property. Yoruba, Ijaw and Ogoni peeps stole Igbo properties on the pretense of abandoned property in Lagos State and Rivers State.

oyatz:


The is a blatant lie.

The properties were aquired by the Federal Government during the civil war and NOT in 1985.

DOTian:
One thing I have come to realize in this country is that once the igbos are involved in any political issue, common sense becomes uncommon. The fact that up till today, with all the vociferous religious leaders and so called detrablised statesmen brimming all over the place, none has been able to sit down and categorically condemn all the Evil that were willfully perpetrated against the igbos in the name of fighting a war is stunning! Peoples hard-earned properties and cash were brazenly stolen while they were still alive by the government of a country that will turn around and demand unalloyed loyalty and patriotism from them! Isn't that wonderful?

eduj:


My educated Yoruba hypocrite, permit me to once again point out your hypocrisy in this thread and the other. Your position are mixed up in both of them. In both situations ,you ask me for evidence even when you made both claim and accusations- choose a position and stick by it.

for you to declare a claim false, you have to have evidence that it's false. The question of the address of the property should be directed to the op , and likewise I can ask you of the address of the property ?

Since you know for fact that it isn't ojukwu's tell us it's owner and the address ?