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EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by MangekyoAlt: 4:46pm On Jan 06, 2022 |
I want someone to enlighten me more on this. Apparently russia has been in an alliance (CSTO) with some ex-soviet members since 1999. The way US & most EU countries are in NATO alliance Kazakhstan, who is a close ally with Russia, in CSTO & also shares border with them are currently undergoing a crisis. Violent protests sprung up days ago. Shops had been looting, airports have been looted, the presidential building & mayor's office have all been seized by hoodlums. About 9 policemen had been killed with 2 even being beheaded! 400+ security agents are in hospital beds. The Kazakhstan president seeing that he's about to be overwhelmed, decided to ask for help from CSTO. Russia sent peacekeepers to help restore calm in Kazakhstan!. Now, the European union have started accusing russia of breaching Kazakhstan's sovereignty! Is there something I'm missing here? Kazakhstan president asked its sworn ally for help in Combating the terrorists attacks going on in her borders. Russia sent troops after ONLY being invited by Kazakhstan's leader. So how did russia breach their sovereignty? Let's say Latvia or other NATO countries are suffering from terrorism, then ask help from the United States. If the United States replies, would the EU accuse them of what they're currently accusing russia? Also, how would they react if Russia pops outta nowhere and starts accusing us or UK of going into another Nato member country? To my knowledge, they would ask russia to mind her business! So why now are the European states trying to dictate how CSTO is run? |
Re: EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by MangekyoAlt: 4:47pm On Jan 06, 2022 |
Emae009 |
Re: EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by hisgrace090: 4:54pm On Jan 06, 2022 |
The tom and jerry world politics continues. 1 Like |
Re: EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by emae009(m): 6:54pm On Jan 06, 2022 |
MangekyoAlt: while I don't see any source.. ATM all I know of the crisis is that increase in price of LGP led to protests. The government trying to contain the protest led to riot. A normal behavior in any society. Then the government as it is common with pro Russian allies is accusing outside force (a.k.a the west) of causing the problem instead of solving it. They asked their ally for help and Russia has obliged. That's all I know for now. maybe you can point to where the EU is shouting interference for me |
Re: EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by MangekyoAlt: 7:02pm On Jan 06, 2022 |
emae009: read towards the end of the article... EU literally told Russia to not interfere... Were they interfering in the first place? No, they were invited Kazakhstan did not accuse the west! Their president only said they had external help, he didn't mention the west... It is russia that blamed the USA. the US denied already, but it could be true so we leave that at that..... Bck to my question.... Can russia tell the USA to respect the sovereignty of other Nato states; not moving troops to help even when they are in need of it? Would they, as well as you, not tell them to shut the hell up and mind their fůcking damn businesses since they're not in the alliance? |
Re: EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by MangekyoAlt: 7:06pm On Jan 06, 2022 |
Emae009
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Re: EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by emae009(m): 7:59pm On Jan 06, 2022 |
MangekyoAlt: EU is not NATO. |
Re: EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by MangekyoAlt: 10:24pm On Jan 06, 2022 |
emae009:Did I say EU is Nato? No. I said most EU countries are in Nato. If the US did what russia did by sending troops to help an ally in need, would they condemn the US and even lie that they're breaching the sovereignty of the state they're helping? |
Re: EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by seunny4lif(m): 2:38am On Jan 07, 2022 |
Western countries have a hand in the matter Why don’t EU leaders say something about France and Holland that was hot. Some Terrorists already entered Kazakh because the president want to be friendly toward Western countries and he open the borders for them |
Re: EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by seunny4lif(m): 3:01am On Jan 07, 2022 |
MangekyoAlt:Same EU and NATO that bombed Libya to Stone Age Same EU countries that destroyed Iraq and Syria |
Re: EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by olugabbie(m): 6:05pm On Jan 09, 2022 |
emae009: There are just six EU countries that are not part of NATO. They are Austria, Cyprus, Finland, Ireland, Malta, and Sweden. |
Re: EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by emae009(m): 4:57am On Jan 10, 2022 |
olugabbie: who do una dz kind thing?? so does that make the European Union the North Atlantic Treaty Organization ![]() it's 2022, apply some sense before engaging in a discussion 1 Like |
Re: EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by olugabbie(m): 7:01am On Jan 10, 2022 |
emae009: When NATO said if Russia invades Ukraine, it will respond. What do you think NATO was talking about? They are talking about economic sanctions. NATO can not place economic sanctions on Russia. It is the EU that will install & activate the sanctions. So the two work together for a course. I hope i have been able to boost your IQ. |
Re: EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by emae009(m): 8:33am On Jan 10, 2022 |
olugabbie: I have written and deleted like 5 replies now and then it dawn on me, why bother reply someone who thinks EU and NATO are the same thing. Good luck tho |
Re: EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by olugabbie(m): 9:40am On Jan 10, 2022 |
emae009: Where did i mention that NATO & EU are the same? I only said the two confederations work together. EU does not has it own military wing. It relies on NATO. The two are not the same. But they depend on each other. You need to develop the ability to read and comprehend. |
Re: EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by emae009(m): 10:04am On Jan 10, 2022 |
olugabbie: just like my Russian foe MangekyoAlt. You guys have the same pattern of presenting your response. Here's the comment you replied to: EU is not NATO and your reply was There are just six EU countries that are not part of NATO. They are Austria, Cyprus, Finland, Ireland, Malta, and Sweden. from my own school of thought that implies that both organization are similar a.k.a the same because that was the bone of contention with regards to the comment. So since I need to develop the ability to read and understand. Can you explain what you meant by that?? or as with you guys, you'll spin and spin and spin |
Re: EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by MangekyoAlt: 10:22am On Jan 10, 2022 |
olugabbie: emae009: He's 100% right stop being arrogant. Ask yourself. Can NATO implement the sanction it would mete upon russia without the EU? no. NATO & EU aren't the same, but EU nations make up most of NATO. also Nato is run by the US irrespective of what you think. Which is why French president macron called for the EU to develop its own joint military, strengthen their economic ties one that doesn't rely on NATO which is just a fancy name for US and lapdogs.... 1 Like |
Re: EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by MangekyoAlt: 10:29am On Jan 10, 2022 |
Emae009.... Until the EU build their own army, they will always remain a lapdog to the NATO which is a fancy name to the US & maybe UK https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46108633.amp
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Re: EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by emae009(m): 10:58am On Jan 10, 2022 |
MangekyoAlt: You do know it's tiring to explain something that's so clear for a layman to see. You guys keep wailing about sanctions. Can NATO implement sanctions? really? when sanctions are done on either individual or collective level. Like what do you guys actually know. so we can start from there. Argentina is being sanctioned by Britain (pre-Brexit) that doesn't mean any other European countries can't sell military Gadgets to them as long as a British component isn't in it. So is that a NATO sanction or EU sanction? When the US sanctioned Huawei, was it carries across board? No. Each individual country implemented their own sanction. Same with China. As the US turned their attention to China, how many EU countries have they carried along? Isn't that why they're forming new alliances all over Asia? it's 2022 abeg... I don't have strength for draining issues that's clear to see. NATO is an organization that was created for the defense of Europe and North America. EU is an organization of European countries that cater to their economic needs. Sanctions in most cases are done on individual levels except in special cases. Jeez! |
Re: EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by MangekyoAlt: 11:09am On Jan 10, 2022 |
emae009: U dey talk nonsense well well oo man. Did USA tell you that they're gonna sanction individuals if russia invades Ukraine? No they would target Russia's commercial banks, business firms, oil sale as well as arms etc. And that cannot be implemented without the EU. The last time Turkey purchased weapons from Russia, they were sanctioned by the US and here you are saying a cOuNtRy In NaTo CaN cHoOsE nOt To iMpLeMeNt It. Give me a break. If USA sanctions any country, the EU would implement it. That would remain so untill all EU countries leave NATO and that would only happen when they man up and stop relying on the USA/NATO for everything including their own security & defence! |
Re: EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by emae009(m): 11:56am On Jan 10, 2022 |
MangekyoAlt: does what you even say make sense to you? Guy, man to man sometimes to the reply you, it takes almost everything in me to stay civil. I said individual country and here you are talking about persons. Like how do you read. You just rush to reply. First you guys say EU is the sanctioning arm of NATO. in what universe does that even make sense to any intelligent being? When sanction is done by each individual country. Maybe you should read up the EU and NATO first before writing whatever it is you're writing. Jeez. As it is common with you, when you know your position is exposed. instead of shutting up, you'll spin and spin and spin and still end up saying what doesn't make sense. I asked you once before if you knew anything about international trade and as usual you were quick to display your prowess of knowing nothing. International trades are done in dollars which is why the US is able to sanction countries and businesses unilaterally. But if they want it to be super effective, they will strong armed their allies to implement the same ban. It doesn't mean if the US ban, other automatically follows. They ask or coerced (anyone that works for you). Also if a business is under US restrictions and it has money in a bank that's owned by a corporation that is owned by another corporation that merged with a US corporation. Because a US company is involved even by the 4th tier of ownership, that money can and may be confiscated under Financial Act. so abeg, if you want to spin and spin around again. You're free. I ain't following you to debate senseless rambling anymore |
Re: EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by MangekyoAlt: 12:19pm On Jan 10, 2022 |
emae009: I didn't read your epistle. Meanwhile, let me ask your empty skull..... Since in your first comment you claimed any country in Nato can choose not to implement sanctions from the USA on other countries. Tell me why the United States sanctioned turkey for purchasing weapons from a russia. ......... I hear they're putting up sanctions for India since they recently traded with russia too though some senior US diplomats are against it because they need India too for China. Try to go straight to the point..... not this incoherent, long epistles you keep dropping for whoever you think might read them ![]() |
Re: EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by emae009(m): 1:53pm On Jan 10, 2022 |
MangekyoAlt: How does your question even related to the statement " any country in Nato can choose not to implement sanctions from the USA on other countries"... but I'm the empty skull right? no sense, just vibes and inshallah |
Re: EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by MangekyoAlt: 2:01pm On Jan 10, 2022 |
emae009:How does it relate to the statement? You're the one who twisted the reply that guy gave without even reading through it to understand. I mean you clearly didn't hence your silly replies. The guy claimed without the EU, the sanctions that US/NATO mete upon russia wouldn't be implemented. A huge chunk of Russia's oil and gas goes to the EU and the NS 2 contract can be stopped by Germany. You claimed otherwise yet still arguing that a country can choose not to implement us sanctions on another country. You know what..... I'm not at home now reason I'm not settling down to reply you.... I'll deal with you when I get home. Thoroughly! |
Re: EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by emae009(m): 2:19pm On Jan 10, 2022 |
MangekyoAlt: like I said, spin and spin and spin and spin. The same Nordstream 2 pipeline that was sanctioned by Donald Trump administration but reversed by President Joe Biden? Just like the other guy, I'm sure you guys are related. From trying to imply the EU and NATO are the same to saying the EU is the sanctioning arm of NATO to the US can't apply sanctions effectively without the EU to bringing in Turkey which doesn't make sense to referring to Russia sanctions. You can continue spinning on your own. You're good at it. Au revoir |
Re: EU & NATO: Is This Hate, Or Just Hypocrisy? by MangekyoAlt: 2:23pm On Jan 10, 2022 |
emae009: Alright.....point out to me where he said EU & NATO are the same. I said that too? Aye point or quote it for me. I hope you don't disappoint me Meanwhile NS2 was reversed by Joe Biden? ![]() ![]() ![]() It is only Germany that can reverse NS2 and it isn't even reversed lol. The United States is trying to pressure Germany to halt it but theyre having none of it. Though they've threatened to shut it if russia invades Ukraine. Nice try sharing your fake news with me though |
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