Hashabiah:
Please read that post again. Because I am pretty sure you saw a commentary, where it was said that the four gospels and many of the Pauline- letter gospels , were Greek translations of Aramaic written for the sake of a Greek audience .

AntiChristian:


A few Scholars have that your opinion but the preponderant opinion is that there were in koine Greek.

Hashabiah:
The opinion of which scholars ? Muslims apologetics right ...?

Most biblical scholars adhere to the view that the Greek text of the New Testament is the original version.[16][additional citation(s) needed] However, there does exist an alternative view which maintains that it is a translation from an Aramaic original, a position known as Peshitta Primacy (also known in primarily non-scholarly circles as "Aramaic primacy". Although this view has its adherents, the vast majority of scholars dispute this position citing linguistic, historical, and textual inconsistencies.[17] At any rate, since most of the texts are written by diaspora Jews such as Paul the Apostle and his possibly Gentile companion, Luke, and to a large extent addressed directly to Christian communities in Greek-speaking cities (often communities consisting largely of Paul's converts, which appear to have been non-Jewish in the majority), and since the style of their Greek is impeccable,[18] a Greek original is more probable than a translation.

AntiChristian:


Read this part from your wikipedia cut-out

Most biblical scholars adhere to the view that the Greek text of the New Testament is the original version.[16][additional citation(s) needed] However, there does exist an alternative view which maintains that it is a translation from an Aramaic original, a position known as Peshitta Primacy (also known in primarily non-scholarly circles as "Aramaic primacy". Although this view has its adherents, the vast majority of scholars dispute this position citing linguistic, historical, and textual inconsistencies.[17] At any rate, since most of the texts are written by diaspora Jews such as Paul the Apostle and his possibly Gentile companion, Luke, and to a large extent addressed directly to Christian communities in Greek-speaking cities (often communities consisting largely of Paul's converts, which appear to have been non-Jewish in the majority), and since the style of their Greek is impeccable,[18] a Greek original is more probable than a translation.

And it was proved after the above post there!

AntiChristian:
This is from John or whoever wrote the Book of John!

This is from John or whoever wrote the Book of John!

This is from Paul or whoever wrote the Letters to Colossians!

This is from John or whoever wrote the Book of Revelations!



This is a dubious verse in KJV Bible which has been removed from other versions! See below:

New International Version
For there are three that testify:

New Living Translation
So we have these three witnesses—

English Standard Version
For there are three that testify:

Berean Study Bible
For there are three that testify:

Berean Literal Bible
For there are three bearing testimony:

King James Bible
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.




The context is oneness of Purpose as Jesus was praying to his father in heaven!

So where did Jesus ever called himself God in the Bible?

Hashabiah:

I cannot accept this downloaded trash because Luke was a Jew , not a gentile.

Secondly, Jesus spoke Aramaic; not Greek . And I believe since His followers communicated with him, it can be believed that they would be native speakers of Aramaic language and would have preached their message in that language. This is the logical opinion of renowned scholars like Frank Turek and Ravi Zacharias , and it is irrefutable.

Hashabiah:

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Jesus spoke a lot about His Father and this prompted one of His disciples to say to Him " Lord, show us the Father and this will be sufficient for us ".(John14:8.). And Jesus said "Philip , have I been so long with you that you have not known Me ? He who has seen Me has seen the Father ; so how can you say show us the Father ? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? (John 9-10).

Hashabiah:


Christians did not bring this idea up , rather , it is Jesus who boldly said this about Himself. Christians accept His word and what He says about Himself . Those who reject it just choose to simply reject what Jesus said about Himself . Simple

AntiChristian:


Read this part from your wikipedia cut-out

Most biblical scholars adhere to the view that the Greek text of the New Testament is the original version.[16][additional citation(s) needed] However, there does exist an alternative view which maintains that it is a translation from an Aramaic original, a position known as Peshitta Primacy (also known in primarily non-scholarly circles as "Aramaic primacy". Although this view has its adherents, the vast majority of scholars dispute this position citing linguistic, historical, and textual inconsistencies.[17] At any rate, since most of the texts are written by diaspora Jews such as Paul the Apostle and his possibly Gentile companion, Luke, and to a large extent addressed directly to Christian communities in Greek-speaking cities (often communities consisting largely of Paul's converts, which appear to have been non-Jewish in the majority), and since the style of their Greek is impeccable,[18] a Greek original is more probable than a translation.

And it was proved after the above post there!

Hashabiah:
The verse speaks for itself bros . In fact , it was statements like these that made the Jews want to stone Him because He made Himself out to be God . See another like it : The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You(Jesus), but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”(John 10:33). Jesus was indirectly telling His listeners that He was their God in whom they had been waiting for

Hashabiah:
Bros, the verse already gives a clear context understanding that needs no further clarification of its interpretation.
And besides, Jesus accepted worship from those who followed Him . See John 20:28 for this . With all this, and the power He displayed , how can you say He is not God ? In fact, can you tell me why Jesus refused to stop Thomas from worshiping Him even though you said He was not God ? Please answer

my Lord & my God" is simply an exclamation of surprise by doubtful Thomas who never believed the fellow disciples testimony of Jesus resurrection, John20:18-29,go & confirm that.

Also, @ 1 Corinthians 8:5 & John 20:28, Theos Greek 2316 is the same.
Greek language has no dichotomy of capital letter & small letters introduced by English Bible translators @ John 20:28 & 1 Corinth 8:5.

AntiChristian:


Forget those ambiguous verses you quoted before!

To Timothy in John 20:28

1. why do you say he was called Lord and God and not lord and god (there's no differentiation in Greek?

2. The word translated to Lord is "Kyrios" which can also mean master. The word for "God" is "Theos" which is also used as follows:

Acts 12: 21-22: For the Roman Governor

21On the appointed day, Herod donned his royal robes, sat on his throne, and addressed the people. 22And they began to shout, “This is the voice of a god, not a man!”

2 Cor. 4:4
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers,

So we see the same God translated as god elsewhere. The Bible translators sure are good!

Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods"’? John 10:34

Why gods here and God there?

Hashabiah:
I do not operate on shifting points and changing subjects . And besides, we are on a topic that is talking about the divinity of Jesus . And I believe I answered your first question. Now , kindly answer the question I asked prior to this post. Thank you

What is the definition of divinity?
Simple answer: a god/divine.
Jesus divinity= Jesus is a god.
John 3:16, is he not a son?
Therefore, John 10:35-36, Jesus Christ is a god.
John 17:3, his Father is the only true God.
Na Jesus talk am.
Argue against his word, 3 persons worshipping unbelievers

Janosky:

What is the definition of divinity?
Simple answer: a god/divine.
Jesus divinity= Jesus is a god.
John 3:16, is he not a son?
Therefore, John 10:35-36, Jesus Christ is a god.
John 17:3, his Father is the only true God.
Na Jesus talk am.
Argue against his word, 3 persons worshipping unbelievers

Originakalokalo:

Thomas, while confirming that it was indeed Jesus after resurrection bowed in worship and said....

Originakalokalo:

"My Lord and my God"

Jesus did not rebuke him to stop.

Originakalokalo:

Isaiah 9:6:

Unto us a child is born,...he shall be called "the everlasting father"

How is a child called a father....

Philip asked Jesus... He said;

" show us the father"

...Jesus said

" Why are you asking for the father? If you have seen me you have seen the father because I CAME OUT OF GOD.

Originakalokalo:

Jesus told the pharisee and said"

"Before Abraham, I AM"

Abraham was born thousands of years ago before Jesus was born...

John 8:38 Your "I am" in the presence of his Father another "I am".
You are telling this public forum you are a Polytheist.
You worship 2 different "I am's"

Originakalokalo:

This is salvation;

1. Man sinned in the garden. A day old baby also inherited the sin.

2. The blood of animals were used for temporary cleansing....

...but it was not sufficient.

How can the blood of animals attone for the blood of man?

It was a type of a bigger picture to come....
Temporarily,

1. Priests were responsible for sacrifice of attonement.

2. It must be done in Jerusalem.

Now,

What happens to the entire humans?

Can we all meet at Jerusalem?
Buy animals?

The answer is No.

Now,

Permanently:

1. A sinless blood of a man has to be used to cleanse the entire human sin.
Don't forget that animals blood will not attone for man's sin.

2. The blood has to be blameless....

That's why Jesus was not conceived with man and woman's egg. Else, he would have inherited sin.

Originakalokalo:

3. Why was he born in a manger?

He was born in a manger because he is the lamb of God....

Originakalokalo:

Where do you expect a lamb to be born?

In a manger of course.


Now,

If you believe his sacrifice, you are free from the wrath of God that is coming....

If you don't believe,

You will face the wrath of the almighty yourself.

In Jesus' words;

He who doesn't believe in me IS CONDEMNED ALREADY.

The choice is yours.

I am not here to argue.

Your last breath shall open your eyes into the spiritual world,

Then,

It shall be too late for you.

If you read this message and remain adamant,

This message will stand against you on that day.

Tick. Tock.


Tick. Tock.

Your time on the surface of the earth is ticking.

Jesus loves you.

Hashabiah:
You and I do not serve the same God hope you know . Your Jesus is Angel Michael while Mine is the God of the Universe.

Rosement:

Jesus called Himself God in the Bible.
Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

(John 17: 5) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

(John 5:16-23)
17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Jesus said that He is the son of God, He never said the Son is less than the Father, instead He even explained that the Son is equal with the Father. His dependency on His Father does not mean that He is less than His Father, it only explains the difference between their roles, just like husbands and wives have different roles to perform in their families. The Jews understood what He meant very well that was why they wanted to kill Him.

(John 10:30) "I and my Father are one."

The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one, they are all equal. It was only when Jesus was in the world that He considered Himself lower than God because He came to the world fully in human form, not in His Godly form.

(Philippians 2)
6. Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

(John 14)
6. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

(Matthew 28)
18. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

(Isaiah 9:6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

(Genesis 1:26) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

(John 20)
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

People have been worshipping Jesus since the time He was born. He wants us to worship Him as God, there are a lot of verses in the Bible where Jesus allowed people to worship Him. Follow your own religion. Bible is for Christians, we will continue to read and believe what will see in our Bible. We don't read the books of other religions, talkless of debating their doctrines or books.

AntiChristian:
Nowhere does it mentions Jesus as saying this. John allegedly wrote revelation!


All of us exists in God's mind before being created later. God had a destiny for Jesus as well as everyone of us! Here Jesus never said he was God.

The Jews misunderstood him cos he spoke in parables mostly. God works and his messengers work!
This is also true of Moses, Aaron, Noah, etc.



Jesus said "....the father is greater than I" John 14:28 This surely means God is greater than Jesus.

And when Jesus was asked of the Hour in Mark 13:32, he replied " No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." This shows Jesus has a limited knowledge while God knows all things.

The context of these is "oneness of Purpose". If they are one, then Jesus won't die without the father dying too!

Sin against the Holy Spirit is not forgivable like sin against Jesus. Jesus has a limited knowledge to the father. It sure means they are not equal.

This was allegedly written by Paul. Jesus didn't say any of these!



Yeah! All Prophets are the way to the Lord. Those who follow them during their life time will be saved. Jesus as those who followed Moses and Noah!


Who gave him all the power? God! Does that make God powerless then so he now has more power than God?

And this means only the power in heaven and earth was given to him. Powers in other places were not given to him!


Which government was on Jesus's shoulder? And did he ever bear those names in the New testament?

Where is Jesus saying he is God here?

Where did Jesus say he is God here? Kyrios (Lord) and Theos (god/God) are also used for dignified humans!



1.Who worshipped Jesus from when he was born till he died?
2.Where did he tell anyone to worship him?
3. You invited yourself here and you weren't forced to comment, were you?
4. Where did Jesus ever call himself God?

Rosement:

If we don't believe the account of Jesus disciples that were close to Jesus, which account should we believe?

AntiChristian:


Paul who wrote about 13 Books never met Jesus! Even the 11 remaining disciples together didn't write this much!

Mark and Luke too never met Jesus!

How are they Jesus's disciples?

AntiChristian:

Sin against the Holy Spirit is not forgivable like sin against Jesus. Jesus has a limited knowledge to the father. It sure means they are not equal.

AntiChristian:

And when Jesus was asked of the Hour in Mark 13:32, he replied " No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." This shows Jesus has a limited knowledge while God knows all things.

AntiChristian:


Give a clear unambiguous verse where Jesus claimed he was God?

Nowhere does it mentions Jesus as saying this. John allegedly wrote revelation!

All of us exists in God's mind before being created later. God had a destiny for Jesus as well as everyone of us! Here Jesus never said he was God.

The Jews misunderstood him cos he spoke in parables mostly. God works and his messengers work!
This is also true of Moses, Aaron, Noah, etc.

Jesus said "....the father is greater than I" John 14:28 This surely means God is greater than Jesus.

And when Jesus was asked of the Hour in Mark 13:32, he replied " No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." This shows Jesus has a limited knowledge while God knows all things.

The context of these is "oneness of Purpose". If they are one, then Jesus won't die without the father dying too!

Sin against the Holy Spirit is not forgivable like sin against Jesus. Jesus has a limited knowledge to the father. It sure means they are not equal.

This was allegedly written by Paul. Jesus didn't say any of these!

Yeah! All Prophets are the way to the Lord. Those who follow them during their life time will be saved. Jesus as those who followed Moses and Noah!

Who gave him all the power? God! Does that make God powerless then so he now has more power than God?

And this means only the power in heaven and earth was given to him. Powers in other places were not given to him!

Which government was on Jesus's shoulder? And did he ever bear those names in the New testament?

1.Who worshipped Jesus from when he was born till he died?

2.Where did he tell anyone to worship him?

3. You invited yourself here and you weren't forced to comment, were you?