Susily:



I can see where you're missing the point

According to you, you must have a wife before you have a child, that's Bullshit

I can live life alone without a wife cos I don't need a wife to have a child

Everybody knows dat, but can u so dat?

Susily:



You don't need to get married to have kids

is a common knowledge sir

fattprince:

Martinez is your man.
And we were talking about marriage before we didn't talk about children. Because marriage is not and will never be a pre requisite for reproduction.

but can u do dat?

Susily:



I can see where you're missing the point

According to you, you must have a wife before you have a child, that's Bullshit

I can live life alone without a wife cos I don't need a wife to have a child

Then get ready to raise degenerate children

Martinez39s:
Haba! Old men do get married. It is relatively rare for obvious reasons: by convention and the prevailing mindset, the overwhelming majority of single men who plan to marry do so for the first time during their "marriageable ages" (mid twenties - early forties). In fact, being single in your late thirties will have your family and friends asking you when you will settle down.

The fact that others abide by this, and most (that you see) don't marry for the first time in their 70s, doesn't mean Ubunja and any other man can't get married in their 70s if they want to. Using the convention of the majority to declare that Ubunja and other men cannot marry for the first time in their 70s is obviously irrational. Men do marry in their 70s, and men who have the resources can marry for the first time in their 70s.

Before you start asking how they will cope with the physical demands and stress of running a household and raising children and the problem of not living long enough to see their children grow, just remember that the issue was about how marriage helps in old age (you didn't even list how it helps). The wife Ubunja and Co will marry in this context and for this purpose will simply play the role of a caretaker; it can happen. You don't even need to marry to hire a caretaker.

LOL. This is a very naive question. Even in America and other countries with gynocentric family laws, there are men who keep marrying even after being repeatedly demolished in the family courts. Did it not occur to you that, in every society, hopeless romantics abound? Did it not occur to you that there are men who are under the impression that they are incomplete without being in a committed relationships or having a woman by their sides? For many men, no matter the harsh red pill their many relationships keep giving them, they still hold on to the blue pill mindset that the nawalt is out there for them... the pathetic hope strategy. There are many reasons people marry repeatedly, but it is not a testament of how great marriage is.

As for men in gynocentric countries who marry repeatedly, look up the case of Robin Williams; he was so demolished in the family court by his first two divorces and he still married again for the third time. The financial strain of the exorbitant alimony and child support and his later works that flopped (he was trying to work to keep up with the payments and he took on any gig) took a toll on his mental health and made him depressed. He committed suicide. I loved him for his work and personality, but he was a foolish hopeless romantic.

"I used to think the worst thing in life was to end up all alone. It’s not. The worst thing in life is ending up with people who make you feel all alone"

– Robin Williams.

You can never be too sure. Throughout human history, they have been people who voluntarily never married; I can even list famous people to back up my example. Don't make it look like voluntarily staying unmarried is so hard and inconceivable.

LOL. It's okay to hate when people who won't get married discuss marriage repeatedly. However, it is not out of place, especially on this thread. It's not as if marriage is discussed here 24/7.

I, Martinez, won't ever get married or have kids till I die. My resolve has never dwindled since I made this decision. One love.

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If you marry to have support in your old age and curb loneliness, you can just save yourself the stress and hire a caretaker. You can also doing some growing up and learn to enjoy solitude.

NB: I never said in this post that marriage is a scam. I just correctly pointed out some things.

Martinez U keep on using Europeans to give your examples, why not use Africa or Nigeria as a case study?
Staying alone is very strange in Dix part of the world which everyone in Dix thread knows very well, how many pple hv u seen dat lived there life all alone in ur community or state?
You think hiring a caretaker in ur old age is the best solution right? leme blv dat u are jox catching cruise by saying U won't get married or kids

luminouz:


Good not to argue.

I'm curious though. How do you know many people here don't practice what they say online? Have you met many of us offline?

One love

You and I knows very well dat life in SM is very different from reality

SOZINN:




They are all fûcked but marriage means irredeemable suffering and inescapable death!!!!!!!

Which kind talk be this

DEMZEE:


Then get ready to raise degenerate children

Which degenerate children as if kids living with parent don't do worst things. Oga go sit down abeg. Pikin weh go spoil go spoil.

Polynek:
but can u do dat?

As status quo stands, that's what I'm doing. But I may change my mind tomorrow and marry.

Meedon:


Which degenerate children as if kids living with parent don't do worst things. Oga go sit down abeg. Pikin weh go spoil go spoil.

As in. Not nowadays that children are getting smarter in a bad bad way.

fattprince:

As status quo stands, that's what I'm doing. But I may change my mind tomorrow and marry.

Is okay bro, at Dix juncture I no Tok again

Meedon:


Guy you don't know me...

You are nothing but a human sir ;

fattprince:
As in. Not nowadays that children are getting smarter in a bad bad way.

Walai

Vecto:
THE DREAD GAME.

When you’re dating someone who has no fear of losing you, that no matter what she does you’re going to stay just because you’ve promised, then she’s not going to genuinely respect you.

And when there’s no respect, there’s no attraction.

When there’s no attraction, there’s no loyalty.
Therefore, when there’s no fear of loss, there is no value in staying with you.

If she doesn’t value you and instead takes you for granted, she won’t look up to you, listen to you, desire you, and help you with your mission and goals in life.

At that point, it’s going to be a matter of time before she grows to be unhappy and sexually frustrated enough to wonder why she into a relationship with you in the first place.

This is how the human mind works — it only appreciates what is scarce, in-demand, and difficult to gain resp and fear from his woman

And that’s why you need the element of dread. Because the alternative is a miserable, dead-end, and sexless relationship.

That’s the case for the blue-pilled beta men who have been taught to put women on pedestals all their lives.

Instead of applying any sort of Dread, typical blue-pilled men always focus on making their women comfortable, thinking that comfort equals happiness.

While that sounds practical and noble even, these same men end up with a lot of random drama, negativity, and infidelity in their relationships.

Do tahey ever realize their mistake of continuing to give and please?

Nope.



#TRP

What should the guy in this situation do to gain respect and make his wo.man fear. him again

Someoneschild2:
A little lesson from PB

Arthur lost frame when he got addicted to this process.
Its how they have their way, it's how red men lose in the long run in the institution.

Stay sharp!

True

Nelidee:


Some of these people you see yapping negatively about marriage are still deeply in the anger phase. Allow them to express their anger whichever way they choose, it's part of the healing process. Also am sure you are mature enough to know that most of them are not really redpillers offline.

I was going to say that but I felt it would be out of place to just come in from nowhere and start accusing people of not being redpillers.

If you tell this people to avoid women and focus on other productive endeavours they will label you gay like they did some people here in the past.

If you tell them to learn to love themselves and follow some rules in other to get girls they desire they won't patiently follow those rules because they're too emotional and Ubunja has repeatedly pointed this out countless times.

If you tell them, okay, choose one out of the two or take both, whichever works for you like Skepticus said some pages back they still won't pick any.

They seem to be focused on attacking men who have successfully made a choice on what they want, a choice which they themselves find difficult to make. That to me has blackpill/incel/feminist all over it. It would be better if they just came out boldly and created a thread for themselves rather that cowardly hiding as redpillers.

As for this "anger phase" that you mentioned, In my opinion, the difference between redpillers and these groups I mentioned above is that redpillers are angry with themselves for not learning about the redpill early enough. The moment they learn, they are angry but make a decision and take action.

Blackpillers/incels/feminist are not angry with themselves but at other people including their fellow men and they find it very difficult to make decisions and take necessary action.

If you allow a woman to conquer you, you are officially a pussy and a simp.
It's only a matter of time before she leaves your lame ass.

Maintain frame!!!!!!!

Finally caught up to the end of the thread after a busy start to the year.
I was glad that the subject of green light when approaching women was discussed, because I am a firm believer in "no green lights, no approach" principle.
I will be sharing my experience with two ladies.

So the first lady, I met her in church, we do talk after church, but nothing more than that, later she requested for my number, after she got it, she started calling me, she starts chats everyday, she double texts, if i ignore her messages twice, she calls me on phone again, all the while she never complains about me ignoring her messages. Like i get away with everything, she has never called me out for any "wrong" doings, and i have done quite a few
When we meet physically, she is too clingy, and green lights are too obvious. I found out that due to her being too available, i lost interest in her (or should i say i didn't develop it) I know that no matter how a lady likes you, she should at least complain if you snub her or ignore her, but she doesn't. Like she sent me new year greetings message, I read it but didn't reply till 11th, and she didn't say anything about that, next thing she's asking is "when am i going to see you?". I felt like that level of clingyness is a bad sign sha

The second lady, She's interested in me but her signals were not as pronounced as the other lady, it took me quite sometime to take note of her, cause she was subtle and shy (plus I snub ladies alot, just greetings and I'm out), but recently I was thinking that something is off about her when she is around me, so i decided to be more observant, and her greenlights became clearer. Last week, I wrote my number on a paper, and told her to call me, she did call me that same evening, and we started talking since then, it became clear that she likes me but she was waiting for me to pick up on the signals and act on it.

Points to note:
- Greenlights makes everything easy for you, it's like you win before you even start the race.
- Be on the lookout for greenlights, believe me, it's more common than you think, if you only attract low value girls, then it is a reflection of your true SMV, and suggests that you need to level up.
- Simps think that if they flood a girl with "love" and attention, she will reciprocate, but that's opposite of the case. I think the same thing played out with the first girl, her greenlights were so much that it became a turn off.
- I thought, if i get a girl that loves me as much as the first lady, I will like it, but i found out that I don't. Plus i have had experience with clingy ladies, it doesn't end well.

Calibrator:


Watching how Shelby carries himself shoulder high is a very good visual description of how a male should carry himself and I remember a particular episode where Arthur, elder bro to Thomas told John, younger bro to both to go and apologise to an outsider for an aggrieved offence, John went behind Arthur to pour more fire to the offence.

What happened when Arthur reported John to Thomas? Thomas said that it will start with an apology and before long, everyone in Birmingham will start disrespecting their family, Thomas then went ahead and scattered everything to add to the dreaded name of the family.

How many had to die because of this; Grace, John.

Even in a violent environment, violence is never always the best approach. Much worse doing it because of how you want to be seen by people.

I have a problem, I can't be chasing money and women at the same time, even if I try, it requires more mental energy, I'm thinking going celibate all over again, celibacy is hard but at least you have only one thing in mind which is success, it's not like I can't grab my balls and focus, but while on celibacy the money I'm making can't be enjoyed rather it will be enjoyed by the people around me,

Chiagozieking:
I have a problem, I can't be chasing money and women at the same time, even if I try, it requires more mental energy, I'm thinking going celibate all over again, celibacy is hard but at least you have only one thing in mind which is success, it's not like I can't grab my balls and focus, but while on celibacy the money I'm making can't be enjoyed rather it will be enjoyed by the people around me,

You can hardly chase both. There are times in your life where you must temporarily go monk mode to focus on things that truly matter; all that matters is that you still have you red pill awareness and you abide by the principles. Finally, learn to tell people "no" instead of letting them drain you financially.

You see why people say most guys here know nothing about the subject matter of the thread.

@ last sentence, this one thinks that the only way to enjoy his sweat is to spend it on pussy and being celibate means he will be working for other people to enjoy.



You can't make this up

Chiagozieking:
I have a problem, I can't be chasing money and women at the same time, even if I try, it requires more mental energy, I'm thinking going celibate all over again, celibacy is hard but at least you have only one thing in mind which is success, it's not like I can't grab my balls and focus, but while on celibacy the money I'm making can't be enjoyed rather it will be enjoyed by the people around me,

Don't mind him.

Womaniser, Womaniser.

Nobody told me to zip up my trousers and go monk mode when I found my ass sleeping on the streets.


Then I went ahead to achieve what I have been pursuing for 3 years in just 4 months of 24/7 dedication to my hustle, zero romantic distractions.

Martinez39s:
You can hardly chase both. There are times in your life where you must temporarily go monk mode to focus on things that truly matter; all that matters is that you still have you red pill awareness and you abide by the principles. Finally, learn to tell people "no" instead of letting them drain you financially.

DEMZEE:


Then get ready to raise degenerate children

How exactly will the children become degenerate??

Calibrator:
You see why people say most guys here know nothing about the subject matter of the thread.

@ last sentence, this one thinks that the only way to enjoy his sweat is to spend it on pussy and being celibate means he will be working for other people to enjoy.

You can't make this up

His mindset shocked me, but we learn and we move.

Calibrator:
You see why people say most guys here know nothing about the subject matter of the thread.

@ last sentence, this one thinks that the only way to enjoy his sweat is to spend it on pussy and being celibate means he will be working for other people to enjoy.



You can't make this up

I was surprised! Wtf?? What he's implying is that the only enjoyment he can have is with pussy?? Omooooooo

There's just alot of things to enjoy in this world but I think the sense of enjoyment for an average Nigerians is sex,party,alcohol,spending money on this ho,s and probably drugs.

Smartb0y:
If you allow a woman to conquer you, you are officially a pussy and a simp.
It's only a matter of time before she leaves your lame ass.

Maintain frame!!!!!!!

In this age and time, it will be hard maintaining frame for some as most children are not even taught redpill by their parents, and the fact is that some don't have parents of their own.

Just look at what a 3 year old is already saying at his age. Tell me how he'll find it easy maintaining frame when he grows up.It won't be.

Dliquidmetal:
There's just alot of things to enjoy in this world but I think the sense of enjoyment for an average Nigerians is sex,party,alcohol,spending money on this ho,s and probably drugs.

Its universal and not jus an average Nigerian prob

SOZINN:




Let me just say this, a man who is unwilling to learn game must cut all sexual ties with women.. Even platonic associations should not be encouraged. He should keep himself away from the sexual market place because if he enters he is going to simp hard and get burnt.

A redpilled man can choose to do as he pleases, including having sex. A high value man does not operate by the same rules that govern minions. All a man needs to avoid simping is the redpill. Game is secondary. Game is optional. Game is like an extra fun added to the redpill. However, not everyone has time for that.

I saw you in another post analyzing Mark Zuckerberg, lol. You cannot always judge a marriage from the outside, especially one where they don't give out much information to the media. You don't know who controls the frame in that marriage, for all we know, Mark could be in her frame or vice versa so let us stick to the ones we have ample knowledge about.

Remember, Bill Gates and Jeff Bozos.

I never mentioned anything about Zuckerberg's marriage. So, it's either you lack basic comprehension or you're deliberately misleading. I said gaming doesn't suit everyone.
To buttress my point, I only pointed out his personality which we all are very aware of. He is a stark nerd. Dude literally talks like a robot.
I went ahead to say such a nerd will suck at gaming women. However, he can be redpilled if he chooses to be. And that's all he needs to be safe (from female manipulation).
I would not mention anything about his marriage, because of course I have no idea what's going on in it.

Some guys need game to get what they want. Some don't.

Every guy should know what works for him.

[quote author=Junnior post=109355171]
A redpilled man can choose to do as he pleases, including having sex. A high value man does not operate by the same rules that govern minions. All a man needs to avoid simping is the redpill. Game is secondary. Game is optional. Game is like an extra fun added to the redpill. However, not everyone has time for that.


I never mentioned anything about Zuckerberg's marriage. So, it's either you lack basic comprehension or you're deliberately misleading. I said gaming doesn't suit everyone.
To buttress my point, I only pointed out his personality which we all are very aware of. He is a stark nerd. Dude literally talks like a robot.
I went ahead to say such a nerd will suck at gaming women. However, he can be redpilled if he chooses to be. And that's all he needs to be safe (from female manipulation).
I would not mention anything about his marriage, because of course I have no idea what's going on in it.

Some guys need game to get what they want. Some don't.

Every guy should know what works for him.[/quote. U are correct dawg

Junnior:

A redpilled man can choose to do as he pleases, including having sex. A high value man does not operate by the same rules that govern minions. All a man needs to avoid simping is the redpill. Game is secondary. Game is optional. Game is like an extra fun added to the redpill. However, not everyone has time for that.

I never mentioned anything about Zuckerberg's marriage. So, it's either you lack basic comprehension or you're deliberately misleading. I said gaming doesn't suit everyone.
To buttress my point, I only pointed out his personality which we all are very aware of. He is a stark nerd. Dude literally talks like a robot.
I went ahead to say such a nerd will suck at gaming women. However, he can be redpilled if he chooses to be. And that's all he needs to be safe (from female manipulation).
I would not mention anything about his marriage, because of course I have no idea what's going on in it.

Some guys need game to get what they want. Some don't.

Every guy should know what works for him.

With your explanation, you point is now clear. I now get that you are saying that men ought to learn the red pill and not be simps, but going out there to game women isn't a must for everyone as they have the liberty to go monk or not, and personalities are personal interest differ; after all, going monk doesn't make them lesser redpillers.

I think the misunderstanding emanated simply from semantics: people's use of the terms "red pill" and "game" do not align even though they are referring to the same thing. Some use the term "red pill" and "game" interchangeably, while others use it differently. All that matters is that we are saying the same thing. Also, I think the problem that others had with your post was that you said LEARNING game isn't compulsory. Some think you can LEARN one or two games without necessarily PRACTICING it, and game is important to learn. As I have said, I think it all boils down to semantics.