”Indeed, it is We who sent down the message [i.e., the Qur’ān], and indeed, We will be its guardian.”
-Al-Hijr 15:9

Sunan Ibn Majah 1944
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”

AntiChristian:
Allah has guarded the Qur'an and the evidence of this is seen in the millions of people memorizing it from generations to generations!

And we've told you that the hadith you brought is a weak one which has been analysed by many scholars!

advocatejare:

We have shown you how Allah failed to guard the Quran, how the first Quran was produced 20 years after muhammad died and how the current Quran was produced in 1924 in Cairo



The Hadith I gave you is not a weak one (daif) stop lying for Allah. The Hadith is graded good (Hassan)

RightChannel:


AntiChristian is lying for allah as known for

advocatejare:

We have shown you how Allah failed to guard the Quran, how the first Quran was produced 20 years after muhammad died and how the current Quran was produced in 1924 in Cairo

The Hadith I gave you is not a weak one (daif) stop lying for Allah. The Hadith is graded good (Hassan)

AntiChristian:




1. The Qur'an was compiled in Booklet form by Zaid on the Authority of the first Caliph Abu Bakr (Radiyallahu anhumma). Abu Bakr died 2 years after the Prophet so how is the Qur'an 20 years after Muhammad?

Muhammad died- 632AD
Abu Bakr Died- 634 AD (Abu Bakr compiled the Qur'an)
Umar Died- 644AD
Uthman- 656AD

2. After Abu Bakr died, the copy of the Qura'n was with Umar till he died and then with his daughter Hafsah!

3. The Scribes of the Qur'an during the Prophet's time on earth were the four Caliphs mentioned in bold above, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas, Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan, Zayd ibn Thaabit and others – may Allaah be pleased with them all.

4. Uthman collected the Qur'an from Hafsah, copied them and sent them around.

I wonder how what had been sent around and memorized for over 12 centuries can be retrieved and republished in Egypt in 1924!

How can someone tell lies like this?

Any sensible person will see how you are exhibiting crass ignorance here.

What is the meaning of Hassan?
How is it different from Sahih? And who graded it Hassan?
Once again the hadith is weak!

advocatejare:

Muhammad died in 632 AD

Abu Bakr the first Caliph ruled for 2 years during which he started the first compilation and he completed it before he died and kept it.

The second caliph Umar ruled for 10 years from 634-644AD and he was in custody of manuscripts until he died after which Hafsa his daughter kept custody of it.

During the rule of Uthman (who ruled 12years after Muhammad had died) that is more than 12 years after the first Quran was compiled. Uthman ruled for 12years so in between those 12 years while he was ruling, people called his attention to the different ways people were reciting the Quran (which has been the norm even when Muhammad was alive and he didn't think of unifying the Quran into one dialect because Muhammad himself said the Quran was revealed to him in 7 different dialects)


But Uthman decided to unify the Quran into one standardized version when neither Allah nor Muhammad gave him such Instruction when he was alive.

So Uthman sent for the manuscript with Hafsa
"...So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies."... Sahih Bukhari 6:61:510


So Uthman then ordered his scribes to write the new Quran in the dialect of the Quraysh and when they were done with their editing and standardization they buried the evidence of their alterations by burning the evidence.


"...'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt..." Sahih Bukhari 6:61:510

Hence the Quran sent to all provinces were compiled during the reign of Uthman who started ruling 12 years after Muhammad died and ruled for another 12 Years and the compilation and editing was done within his 12 Years of rule, which was 652 A.D.20years after Muhammad had died

Also, as at that 652 A.D. there was no diacritical marks in Arabic language, it only came into existence in 8th century and the 9th century, long after Muhammad had died and long after Uthman had given out his own standardized version of the Quran

The arabic skeletal script is without the diacritical marks and vowelization:
Fathah = ah
Dhammah = oo
Kasrah = ii

None of the above dialect marks existed in the time of the prophet or Uthman in 652 AD and the present day Quran has them

That means nobody in the world has the original Quran with the original language without diacritical marks and vowelizations and that means the Quran compiled is not the same as the one Muhammad received!

If you ask a Muslim to bring a Quran he will bring out one of the 25 versions of the Quran 

That means all the current Quran you have in the world today are fake because Usman destroyed all the other Qirats and gave you only one Qirat but 300 Years after, ibn mujahid synthesized the new 7 Qirats from nowhere and that's the source of the Quran you're reading today.


After the compilation they burnt other manuscripts of the Quran which was against what Mohammed said, Mohammed said the Quran was revealed to him in 7 different dialects but after Uthman and Zayd were done with their fabrications they burnt all the other Quranic manuscripts including the other dialects of revelation. 


The instructions to burn the other manuscripts was never given by Muhammad before he died nor by Allah, Zayd and Uthman only acted on their own accounts, and they burnt the evidence to cover up their fabrications and gave the Muslim world the revised edition of the Quran. 

But the Shia were angry because they knew the Quran had been corrupted. The Muslims continue to read Uthmanic codex of the Quran until 934 AD when ibn mujahid read that Muhammad actually said he received the Quran in 7 different dialects but since Uthman and Zayd had burnt the other dialects up, ibn mujahid then created his own 7 dialects of the Quran which are Nafi; ibn Kathir; ibn 'Amir; Abu Amr; Asim, Hafs; Hamzah; al-Kisai.

In 1924 in Cairo Egypt, The Hafs manuscript was edited into the Quran you have today

Hence today's Quran is not the same as the one Mohammed received, it's not the same as the one Uthman and Zayd fabricated, it's a different one entirely. Go and learn my friend


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Zc67FrpWU

WHERE IS THE QURAN GIVEN TO MUHAMMAD?




Antichristian says Hassan and Daif are the same grades of hadith. Kai

AntiChristian:



Where is the 20 years you claimed first?

advocatejare:

Chai, simple arithmetic is difficult for you?

During Abu Bakr’s 2 years rule as calipha after Muhammad’s death, the Quran was not standardized or distributed to all the provinces

During Umar’s 10 years as calipha after Abu Bakr’s death the Quran was not standardized or distributed to all the provinces
(that is 12 years after the death of Muhammad )

The Quran was standardized, the original manuscripts burnt during the ruling of Uthman and the new standardized Quran was sent to all the provinces and that was the Quran that he forced on all the Muslims


Uthman ruled as calipha for 12 years and he started ruling 12 years after Muhammad had died. It was during his rule that he gave the standardized Quran. His 12 years rule and the 12 years rule of Abu Bakr and Umar combined equals 24years.

The Quran was standardized during Uthman’s rule which was about 20 years after muhammad had died!

RightChannel:


This AntiChristian needs to go back to Primary 1, he lacks many basic understanding of life. Even his arithmetic standard is Zero