benalvino3:


Sedition is a crime from the mouth. Insurrection is an action, a physical crime. The guy was not at the capitol or attacking anyone, I don't think they will succeed on this one. Just as they failed with the Russia collusion BS. The DOJ is Desperate to put people under investigation so as to affect their political aspirations. they are afraid of trump running again.

With his signature eye patch and fiery speeches, Stewart Rhodes is among the most recognizable leaders of the anti-government movement - and one of its most controversial.

As founder of the Oath Keepers, part of the self-styled militia segment of the far right, Rhodes projected himself as the commander of a private army willing to confront “tyrannical” federal authorities and defend the Constitution by any means necessary.

The Oath Keepers origin story begins in 2008, during the mobilization of the anti-government movement in response to the election of President Barack Obama. Rhodes introduced the concept at an April 19 rally in Lexington, Mass., echoing the date and location of the first shots of the American Revolution.

Tasha Adams, Rhodes’s estranged wife and a vocal critic, said her husband had become increasingly radical in the years before Obama was elected. Adams said she cared for their children while Rhodes studied constitutional law at Yale and then served as an aide to libertarian then-Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas.

Experts say Rhodes and other far-right leaders grew more visible during the rise of Donald Trump, whom they perceived as an ally and who was the first major-party presidential candidate to be widely embraced by the militia movement.

Oath Keepers raised more than $350,000 in crowdfunding campaigns to cover their travel and other expenses to attend the pro-Trump rally outside the White House on Jan. 6, 2021, according to researchers at the nonpartisan Canadian Association for Security and Intelligence Studies. The group booked a block of hotel rooms and, Rhodes has said, positioned so-called “quick-reaction forces” nearby in case emergency backup was needed.

ono:


Like when Gavin Newsom recall fell short of the needed vote for an election in California and nobody in the GOP made any qualms about that. Same in New Jersey, the GOP candidate conceded defeat - even when the margin of victory was little, for a deep blue state like NJ.

Spin me something different.

A recall is not a general election, it is a referendum or a vote of confidence. Gavin Newsom had no opponent that can reject election or concede defeat.

It took 10 days after polls closed and a lots of pressure before before Jack Ciattarelli conceded defeat to Phil Murphy.

raumdeuter:


Has Stacey Abrams conceded that the 2018 Georgia Governorship election was lost and Kemp won fairly?

Is it fair that a candidate is supervising an election in which he is a candidate? If a Democrat should do that you guys will scream blue murder.

Did Stacy Abrams rally the Democratic party and her supporters to undermine the whole democratic process?

Enugurangers:



https://www.npr.org/2018/11/16/668737597/georgia-facing-final-deadline-for-ballot-certification-in-governors-race

I don't have the capability to screenshot, but the headline of the link below said she conceded. I don't think she challenged the election.

"Stacey Abrams Concedes To Brian Kemp In Georgia's Governor Race
November 16, 2018 4:33 PM ET"

Nice to see you have taken a break from trolling. are you not enjoying the fact that you can use your moniker to have a meaningful discussion instead of trolling? Shame on you though

benalvino3:


Nice to see you have taken a break from trolling. Shame on you though

You must be suffering from mental health issues.

Enugurangers:

You must be suffering from mental health issues.

Whatever. Welcome back to using your brain, we appreciate. lets have a meaningful discussion here.

wirinet:


Is it fair that a candidate is supervising an election in which he is a candidate? If a Democrat should do that you guys will scream blue murder.

Did Stacy Abrams rally the Democratic party and her supporters to undermine the whole democratic process?

Who was supervising which election he is a candidate?

How is the conduct of elections in Georgia different from all other states in the nation

Konkoja:


So you only read headlines?

What else do you want us to read? I dont see you asking the below to

Enugurangers:



https://www.npr.org/2018/11/16/668737597/georgia-facing-final-deadline-for-ballot-certification-in-governors-race

I don't have the capability to screenshot, but the headline of the link below said she conceded. I don't think she challenged the election.

"Stacey Abrams Concedes To Brian Kemp In Georgia's Governor Race
November 16, 2018 4:33 PM ET"

You started the whataboutism then complain when others do the same.

raumdeuter:


Has Stacey Abrams conceded that the 2018 Georgia Governorship election was lost and Kemp won fairly?

raumdeuter:


So the VP that certified the election, the Secretary of States Raffenseberger that certified election in georgia which party do they belong to?

You first came saying Stacey conceded until you now saw that she is as bad a loser as Trump now on another run of whataboutism

feedthenation:


---In full support of the SC verdict---vaccine should be a personal choice and not mandatory----

Me too. Glad they mandated it for health workers.

raumdeuter:


From the same link you posted has this

ABRAMS: Let's be clear. This is not a speech of concession because concession means to acknowledge an action is right, true or proper. As a woman of conscience and faith, I cannot concede that. But my assessment is the law currently allows no further viable remedy

That is way more than drumpthf concealed. No?

raumdeuter:


This is last December

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/03/politics/stacey-abrams-concession-2018-georgia/index.html

If derumpthf said the following most of us would say he has conceded.

During an interview with CNN's "New Day" on Friday, Abrams said Kemp "won under the rules of the game at the time, but the game was rigged against the voters of Georgia."

"I, on November 16, 2018, acknowledged at the top of my speech that Brian Kemp is the governor of Georgia and I even wished him well at the end of the speech," Abrams said.

raumdeuter:


How is the part in bold different from what Trump has always said

Show us one place where derumpthp said "Biden won under the rules of the game at the time".

raumdeuter:


You first came saying Stacey conceded until you now saw that she is as bad a loser as Trump now on another run of whataboutism

She admitted she lost though badly, while derumpthf is still claiming he won. There's even some here who believe he is currently the legal president of bambo!

Konkoja:


I can't believe there is debate on conceding election. But, that is how low Trump pulled reasoning. Anything that has to do with him, reason takes it leave!

And it's not like we never learned about conceding from our own Jonathan Ebele Goodluck o!

I tell you, some love their own stupidity!

wirinet:


Did Stacy Abrams rally the Democratic party and her supporters to undermine the whole democratic process?

Yes. To undermine the "democratic process" as was known in Georgia at the time. And she did it so well that all the dead she got to vote in the next election have remained ghosts!

She's my democratic hero!

All the dead woke up, voted and died back again.
They will "reawake" in 2024 to do it right again.

Amen.

budaatum:


Yes. To undermine the "democratic process" as was known in Georgia at the time. And she did it so well that all the dead she got to vote in the next election have remained ghosts!

She's my democratic hero!

wirinet:

A recall is not a general election, it is a referendum or a vote of confidence. Gavin Newsom had no opponent that can reject election or concede defeat.

It took 10 days after polls closed and a lots of pressure before before Jack Ciattarelli conceded defeat to Phil Murphy.

My point is that people can manipulate "anything numbers" these days. Gone are the days of trusting in the "process" - especially in the US of A of today. Have you seen the polls lately, about the confidence levels of Americans generally in their institutions? Agencies like the FBI and CIA that used to be darling organisations that Americans love to work for and really look up to in times of national confusion or stuff like that have their ratings plummeting to all-time low - like never seen before. And this thing started largely from the days of Obama.

In Newsom's case, his policies are unpopular in California, especially his shoddy handling of COVID-19, with his partying-while-the-state-burns attitude. But democraps rallied round him when the referendum was up.

Ciattrelli had to make sure and conceded (key point). Times have changed and it's a "shine your eyes" thing now, otherwise, democraps will impose their will on the people.

What's wrong with Trump wanting to make sure before conceding? And if he's got evidence (like we are seeing now in Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, Philadelphia, Texas and elsewhere) what's wrong with that?

The Liars and criminals that are in the FBI. Nigeria is not the only country with thieves in charge


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXMqy6FlGco

Trump is a lagend to expose these idiots.

No one would have known about all these if trump was not elected.

for 100 days straight, the federal courthouse was attacked and Antifa tried to set it on fire, burn police alive, blind them with lasers, try to burn down the police station. they held meetings and chats about burning down the system, overthrowing the government, etc. no one has been charged with seditious conspiracy, the Democrats and some cronies here supported Antifa. they supported riots by telling us that is how America was built or founded through riots and violence. They put out campaigns to raise cash so they can bail out those arrested, the FBI and police departments released criminal hours after arrest. these are all the stuff that went on for more than 3months straight.

we were told Antifa was an idea, the left downplayed their crimes because they were being used to oppose Donald Trump. the National Guards called in to defend the government(properties) was called names and evil by the media and politicians.

The same riots happened at the white house with projectiles and threats to the president happened, the media supported the Rioters who set fire to a historic cathedral, they made fun of the president hiding inside a bunker in the Whitehouse. the white house turned off its light as a result and the Liberals were in glee, happy to watch as the media make fun of the president. No one was arrested for insurrection or seditious conspiracy. they say it is democracy. the media was happy.

Should Trump win again, the media was cheering a movement for a massive riot, making business owners add an extra layer of security to their business including the white house. that is not insurrection planned or seditious conspiracy, no arrest for the people planning those things...

Republicans were physically attacked after they attended a white house party, all caught on video. people were beaten, senators were attacked by Antifa and BLM, Media silent, democrats silent despite multiple times asking them to confront Republican senators. no seditious conspiracy on that.

We are seeing a pattern here. Jan 6, Pelosi was asked to bring in the National guard, she rejected, the police opened the door for the rioters, we have someone on video who was asking rioters to storm the Capitol and he is never charged till today for sedition.

these are the corruption of a system we are seeing and they don't hide it anymore after Trump exposed it. what I am surprised about is the people who fall for an obvious evil.

ono:


My point is that people can manipulate "anything numbers" these days. Gone are the days of trusting in the "process" - especially in the US of A of today. Have you seen the polls lately, about the confidence levels of Americans generally in their institutions? Agencies like the FBI and CIA that used to be darling organisations that Americans love to work for and really look up to in times of national confusion or stuff like that have their ratings plummeting to all-time low - like never seen before. And this thing started largely from the days of Obama.

So it's Obama's fault that Republicans have lost confidence in the US electoral system? It seems the Republicans never recovered from a "black man" becoming US President. Obama destroyed confidence in the US electoral process and yet Trump won in the elections conducted under his watch.

It's is Trump that eroded confidence in US elections. Any election Trump wins is fair, but any election he losses is rigged. The irony is that when Hillary Clinton was ahead during the 2016 election Trump was already screaming emotional "the election is rigged", but when he eventually overtook Clinton and won, the elections suddenly became free and fair. Trump had never been known to concede defeat in anything.

In Newsom's case, his policies are unpopular in California, especially his shoddy handling of COVID-19, with his partying-while-the-state-burns attitude. But democraps rallied round him when the referendum was up.

That's why there was a referendum - to determine his popularity. That's the flaw of popular democracy. The most popular and not the best candidate wins.

So you expect the party not to rally around a candidate that just won a referendum?

Ciattrelli had to make sure and conceded (key point). Times have changed and it's a "shine your eyes" thing now, otherwise, democraps will impose their will on the people.

That's because Trump had polluted the electoral space.

What's wrong with Trump wanting to make sure before conceding? And if he's got evidence (like we are seeing now in Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, Philadelphia, Texas and elsewhere) what's wrong with that?

The problem with Trump is that he can never concede - never! He is prepared to split the baby in half if he doesn't get it.

In normal situations you present your evidence before the courts (from district court all the way to the Supreme Court). And you as a citizen should be bound by the decision of the courts. But Trump felt he was bigger than the courts and that he can impose himself as president extra constitutionally and judicially.

wirinet:

The problem with Trump is that he can never concede - never! He is prepared to split the baby in half if he doesn't get it.

In normal situations you present your evidence before the courts (from district court all the way to the Supreme Court). And you as a citizen should be bound by the decision of the courts. But Trump felt he was bigger than the courts and that he can impose himself as president extra constitutionally and judicially.

And how did you know that (in bold). America runs a democratic form of government. Trump, born and raised in the US - he's been in the country all his life (more than 70 years), will not be president (his first political office - and I consider that stellar performance, a feat) if he's not conversant with the laws of that country!

And this is not the first time a president in the US will refuse to concede defeat. Not new. Check the records. So, what's the problem with democraps all wanting to make sure the guy doesn't get to come near government again?

armyofone:
All the dead woke up, voted and died back again.
They will "reawake" in 2024 to do it right again.

Amen.

We are working on it. Plan is to import lots of dead from India and Brazil too. They won't need visas and can't be stopped by a wall.

Good read.

https://www.revolver.news/2021/12/damning-new-details-massive-web-unindicted-operators-january-6/

ono:
Good read.

https://www.revolver.news/2021/12/damning-new-details-massive-web-unindicted-operators-january-6/

See lazy reasoning!

"If Epps turns out to have been some kind of government operative, which at present is the only clean and simple explanation for his immunity,...."

And unfortunately, some accept that "only clean and simple explanation", but would deny their mind is being controlled just like ignorant enslaved Adam's mind was controlled in the Garden of Eden.

Who says Epps has immunity?

Does drumpthfp too have immunity for Jan 6 crimes since he hasn't yet been indicted?

The wheels of justice turn slower than you seem to think.

budaatum:


See lazy reasoning!

"If Epps turns out to have been some kind of government operative, which at present is the only clean and simple explanation for his immunity,...."

And unfortunately, some accept that "only clean and simple explanation", but would deny their mind is being controlled just like ignorant enslaved Adam's mind was controlled in the Garden of Eden.

Who says Epps has immunity?

Does drumpthfp too have immunity for Jan 6 crimes since he hasn't yet been indicted?

The wheels of justice turn slower than you seem to think.

must you support nonsense or you don't understand English yet again.

CNN is defending an insurrectionist. they are supporting a trump supporter, does that make sense?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtsOe7WwhrM

CNN on this video is lying that Ray Epps did not ask people to enter the building, he said they should protest peacefully and stay out. Liesssss Ray Epps said we have to go into the capital then the crowd called him fed on multiple occasion even before January 6th.

Why is Ray Epps not charged yet? he was in the front lines instigating what appears to be the first confrontation on that day. Why is he still free?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UzScWa-k2w

budaatum you like lies and you duel on them.

We all know most of the things the left-wing media brand as conspiracy theory are actual facts... especially when they are defending a trump supporter or a man with a MAGA hat.

Whitmer's case was instigated by the FBI and that is just scratching the surface.
the left is calling this conspiracy theory.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZQRetozhSY

budaatum:


If derumpthf said the following most of us would say he has conceded.

Abrams claimed the election was rigged same with Trump. Both of them have refused to concede

They don't need to use exactly the same words

budaatum:


That is way more than drumpthf concealed. No?

This is not a concession, I cannot concede said Stacey

Almost 4yrs after the elections she has yet to concede

Whew! two pages of clean, respectful conversations in here. No foul images of dogs and guys in undies. No foul words, just courteous response to probing questions and with opinions presented with no recourse to insults.

And Ibime and PrideofLincoln gone too. Hehe! Where is gentle basilico?

We can do it guys - neat, respectful and exciting debates.

wirinet:


Is it fair that a candidate is supervising an election in which he is a candidate? If a Democrat should do that you guys will scream blue murder.

Did Stacy Abrams rally the Democratic party and her supporters to undermine the whole democratic process?

They continue comparing apples and oranges, until America's democracy falls their eyes will clear, someone incited his supporters all the way to interrupt an ongoing Democratic process and people think this is normal or defensible

Hospitals in South Florida did not get the "memo" from deathsantis

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2022/01/10/covid-19-omicron-spike-has-mostly-unvaccinated-individuals-requiring-hospitalization-in-south-florida/

ono:
Good read.

https://www.revolver.news/2021/12/damning-new-details-massive-web-unindicted-operators-january-6/

budaatum:


See lazy reasoning!

"If Epps turns out to have been some kind of government operative, which at present is the only clean and simple explanation for his immunity,...."

And unfortunately, some accept that "only clean and simple explanation", but would deny their mind is being controlled just like ignorant enslaved Adam's mind was controlled in the Garden of Eden.

Who says Epps has immunity?

Does drumpthfp too have immunity for Jan 6 crimes since he hasn't yet been indicted?

The wheels of justice turn slower than you seem to think.

Ray Epps is also the one that brought in the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers to Washington. Hilarious.