timbros:


Four European titles in three different leagues.

Domestic league titles in four different countries.

That's a senior colleague.

Pep guardiola hasn't started coaching.

Segedinho:
My opinion on this game is the mid field was dead....

Kante and kovacic were just too far from each other.
Ziyech and pulisic were too lazy to help out...so there weren't and sync on the midfields.

[s]Havetz would have been worse cos he himself is lazy.[/s]

Man city tends to over crowd and wins d ball easily...long ball to pacy players would have done some magic..

we missed in-form mount..........

Also,kova-kante partnership was useless today

I would be happy if havertz played rather than that sluggish Ziyech

Segedinho:

Kova-kante played well against Liverpool and rightly earned today's call up.


They were rubbish and were responsible for the drab football we played today.

I was expecting someone to point out how Kova and Kante were swallowed up in the game. Not all these Lukaku hot takes.

Ibime:


Did we win the reverse fixtures he played?

You missed the point. For months we have heard how TT is Jorgginghoes biggest fan and three managers in a row have selected him, when there was clear evidence that both Lampard and TT wished to buy new starting DM, and Lampard had dropped him several times.

If you are someone's biggest fan, will you be dropping him for your biggest games?

Anybody can lose away at City, but the fact is he did worse when played at home to City.

Every true Chelsea fan will be pleased to see TT make moves that show Jogginghoe is not trusted. To bring new furniture into your house, you first have to dump the old one. If TT can drop a specialist DM for CMs, that means he's ready to sit on the floor than sit on dirty furniture. As a Chelsea fan, that should fill you with hope for the summer that he forcefully requests a proper DM

You should know that TT doesn't have any favorite player, so starting shirt is not sure for almost everybody.

Jorginho started, I think, all 3 matches we won Pep last season. At least in very sure of UCL final, a match bigger than this 'two biggest games of the season' and we won.

If anything, you should be looking at a name that is absent in the 3 matches we won last season BUT is present in this 2 lost games, Lukaku.

You should know me that I don't push personal agenda. I want the best for the team. But if you want to look for a name to blame, blame Lukaku.

Segedinho:

Lols.


Meaning u didn't watch today's match

Maybe you didn't watch the match at Stamford Bridge rather

popizaino:



At least this chance was from his own brilliance of bullying Laporte off the ball to create this talking point. I wish Havertz had a eye for that kind of pass in the first league against Liverpool maybe we would have carried on with that confident going into any big game.

We are talking city here which Havertz defeated to win ucl. Havertz was the one that scored against liverpool too. You are just been bias so I will leave you with your sentiment. I know you are happy pep won but it’s ok. That first leg was on tuchel top for starting kova Kante and Jorginho together but I understand why he did that, Mount was injured.

NinjaXmetahuman:
just painful.

Cos I was expecting something better after all the I have learnt talk.

Kpele
What u guys need is another coach to partner with Tuchel, let that one handles the league and let Tuchel takes charge of leagues cups and UCL matches. He's good @ cup competition

Segedinho:


The way they talk avout havetz.....most times i tend to ask myself if it is the havertz i know

At least Havertz is more useful to tuchel system than lukaku. That’s my point.

Android22:
At what point in this game that we watched did it look like Chelsea had a clue about what they were doing?

You are right, they lacked cohesion and a sense of purpose going forward, but that was still playing into Tuchel’s smash and grab plan entering the 70th minute.

Roland17:


You are right, they lacked cohesion and a sense of purpose going forward, but that was still playing into Tuchel’s smash and grab plan entering the 70th minute.

oh I agree at smash and grab only just saying what you put very well: They lacked a sense of purpose.

hensben:
Both are roamers. You don’t play two roamers and don’t have a based CDM to receive passes. In 433 you need a midfield personnel consisting of a CDM, CM and Amf/CAM while in in 3421 formation CDM and CM/box to box midfield is needed to make the formation effective, contrary to that is bound to fail. This is what pep don’t joke with, he make sure he get the right players to execute his formation, this is why he don’t go to clubs where the board have a say more than him in terms of transfer.

When they played against Liverpool...ur mouth was sealed.

Now that they are exposed...your citing nonsense excuse..


Kante can play dm role effectively while tagging him a roamer??

Alaye...today's match was as a result of kova-kante partnership....(very clueless players)

Joginho atleast can easily receive d ball from either of them and breaks city's press with a one time quick pass.

The reason why both kova-kante lost d ball on several occasion was that there was no one to receive d ball why they make runs.

timbros:

Jorginho started, I think, all 3 matches we won Pep last season.

No he didn't. Gilmour started the 2-1 win.

I didn't come to blame any player. Even a World 11 can lose against City. I came to tell you that TT is just managing the jogger, he doesn't trust him. If you trust a CDM, you don't bench him for your two biggest games and play players who aren't even natural in the position.

If Alonso gets benched at LWB for Hudson Odoi or Kenedy who aren't specialists, just know TT has been managing Alonso all this while.

Android22:
I was expecting someone to point out how Kova and Kante were swallowed up in the game. Not all these Lukaku hot takes.

Agendas..remember

popizaino:



Pep guardiola hasn't started coaching.

That's why you shouldn't bring his senior colleague whenever Pep is being discussed.

Segedinho:


When they played against Liverpool...ur mouth was sealed.

Now that they are exposed...your citing nonsense excuse..


Kante can play dm role effectively while tagging him a roamer??

Alaye...today's match was as a result of kova-kante partnership....(very clueless players)

Joginho atleast can easily receive d ball from either of them and breaks city's press with a one time quick pass.

The reason why both kova-kante lost d ball on several occasion was that there was no one to receive d ball why they make runs.

They drew liverpool after two goals down, what does that tell you. I knew that kova and Kante paring doesn’t work since Sarri days so I don’t know what you mean by my mouth was sealed when they drew liverpool.
Probably you think I analyze players based on as each game turn out which is wrong assumption from you.

Segedinho:

Joginho atleast can easily receive d ball from either of them and breaks city's press with a one time quick pass.

Don't make me laugh in Japanese.

Let's see how your hiding playmaker performed in passing last game Vs how Kova did in this game in the same position

Ibime:


No he didn't. Gilmour started the 2-1 win.

I didn't come to blame any player. Even a World 11 can lose against City. I came to tell you that TT is just managing the jogger, he doesn't trust him. If you trust a CDM, you don't bench him for your two biggest games and play players who aren't even natural in the position.

If Alonso gets benched at LWB for Hudson Odoi or Kenedy who aren't specialists, just know TT has been managing Alonso all this while.

There is absolutely no reason why Jorginho should be brought up after today's match. With or without Jorginho, the stats were identical (home and away).

You should be looking at the player present in both legs this season but absent last season. That's where you will see the problem.

Android22:
I feel a lot is being made about Chelsea beating City 3 times last season that many are ignoring. City had just played Dortmund in the UCL QFs on Wednesday and had to play them again the following week on Tuesday so the manager had to rotate and rest players. He played a heavily rotated team and Chelsea being better rested and better prepared won it. Then, in the league game, City played the second team because it was clear they had won the league and only wanted to rest players for the UCL. In that game, City scored first, got another penalty that had Aguero scored, the game would have been out of reach. Granted, TT adjusted, got an equalizer and 1 or 2 more chances. But so did City and in the 88th min, Zouma fouled Raheem which should have been another penalty and a certain City win. The ref made a huge mistake and Alonso scored the flukiest winner with 20 or so seconds left in the game. That 2-1 score papered over the fact that Chelsea had barely played the City first team. The real and only significant win was in the UCL final where Chelsea played very well on the counter but were helped by Pep choosing to play without a pivot in Rodri or Fernandinho. So Chelsea fans should really stop making noise about winning 3 times against City. They deserved the UCL final but the story of City's superiority over Chelsea cannot be determined from last season at all - especially at the time they played (bar the UCL final).

You couldn't have said it any better.

Skimpledawg:
Ziyech really started this game.


Mehn.

Tuchel took Ogogoro today. He didn't start Mount yet put Pulisic in a wrong wing.

Lukaku needs to be sent to the bench asap. Man was disappointing.

hensben:
At least Havertz is more useful to tuchel system than lukaku. That’s my point.

How many ...assist...goals...chances created.
.does this useful havertz have

The core of TT tactics are wing backs and midfield which a roamer as well as someone who can receive d ball from anywere and pass it also....


Havetz recently is so inconsistent and foolish

Ibime:


Don't make me laugh in Japanese.

Let's see how your hiding playmaker performed in passing last game Vs how Kova did in this game in the same position

This same guy was present in UCL were they won same city..



Now that he was absent ...wetin happen to kova-kante.


So what did d kovacic did today since he is d best passer of the ball....

rooftops:
Na pure wingers we need. We needed goal na odoi we dey bring in. Good abeg

We don't need anybody, our players are good enough to win the league, the ucl and the fa cup.

timbros:


There is absolutely no reason why Jorginho should be brought up after today's match. With or without Jorginho, the stats were identical (home and away).

You should be looking at the player present in both legs this season but absent last season. That's where you will see the problem.

Nobody is talking the match. We are talking about TT decision making regardless of the match, unless you guys want to drop your "trusted by 4 managers" argument.

And the stats weren't identical. There's marginal improvement away from home, even playing without our first choice backline or RJ. That's a big indictment on the specialist.

Last season is last season. Like Android22 said, only a deluded fan would expect last season to be the norm. It's not like we played them off the park last season anyway.

Segedinho:


When they played against Liverpool...ur mouth was sealed.

Now that they are exposed...your citing nonsense excuse..


Kante can play dm role effectively while tagging him a roamer??

Alaye...today's match was as a result of kova-kante partnership....(very clueless players)

Joginho atleast can easily receive d ball from either of them and breaks city's press with a one time quick pass.

The reason why both kova-kante lost d ball on several occasion was that there was no one to receive d ball why they make runs.

Segedinho:

How many ...assist...goals...chances created.
.does this useful havertz have

The core of TT tactics are wing backs and midfield which a roamer as well as someone who can receive d ball from anywere and pass it also....


Havetz recently is so inconsistent and foolish

Good you know this. Tuchel, Klopp and pep don’t need a point man in their system and tactics, they just need a link up play striker/attacker for their tactics to function properly so a player like lukaku is giving tuchel problem already. We need a technical and strong CDM and a quality winger during the summer transfer window if we want to challenge city. Sell lukaku to Newcastle for outrageous fee and get a reliable winger to play with Havertz, Werner or mount upfront.

Segedinho:

This same guy was present in UCL were they won same city..



Now that he was absent ...wetin happen to kova-kante

Gilmour was also present when we beat them even more convincingly by 2-1. I guess Gilmour should start over all of them. You and your funny argument. What does TT catching Pep by surprise with tactical tweak have to do with players.

Your hiding playmaker should take notes on the bench. We haven't even got a specialist DM and he is not trusted to start. What will happen when the real thing arrives?

timbros:


That's why you shouldn't bring his senior colleague whenever Pep is being discussed.

Don't start what you cannot finish .


Hope you got enough Ammunition to defend your Portuguese parrot if I start?

popizaino:



Don't start what you cannot finish .


Hope you got enough Ammunition to defend your Portuguese parrot if I start?

You are overrating pep. Only here I see few people overrating pep. Go to twitter, Instagram and real life nobody call him tactical genius without talking about his expensive squad and liberty to sign players he really want.

Is Tuchel still building a team no one wants to play?

hensben:
They drew liverpool after two goals down, what does that tell you. I knew that kova and Kante paring doesn’t work since Sarri days so I don’t know what you mean by my mouth was sealed when they drew liverpool.
Probably you think I analyze players based on as each game turn out which is wrong assumption from you.

You are blabbing about double roamers when obviously Kante can play DM well.


I analyse players by what dey offer game by game. That is why I don't have any agenda against any player.

U saw how angry TT was today after so many wrong decisions...

Presently,havetz can lace lukaku's shoes with his lackadaisical approach.

Our problem was losing the midfields...city score courtesy of KDB one off brilliance wch we lack.

I saw so many times lukaku couldn't find anyone to pass to......I saw where ziyech was clueless in releasing a good pass from a very sweet angle.i saw Alonso nonsense .

I saw were their defence placed his body on a goal bound Werner's shot....

I saw mount...odoi foolishness but oh no We Should blame lukaku..

Nonsense agenda

Average players, claiming to be world class?

Who's fault?

Ibime:


Nobody is talking the match. We are talking about TT decision making regardless of the match, unless you guys want to drop your "trusted by 4 managers" argument.

And the stats weren't identical. There's marginal improvement away from home, even playing without our first choice backline or RJ. That's a big indictment on the specialist.

Last season is last season. Like Android22 said, only a deluded fan would expect last season to be the norm. It's not like we played them off the park last season anyway.

Again, the four managers made signings but didn't see Jorginho replacement as a pressing need. They played him. He is trusted, that is why.

Is allowing them more shots on target a marginal improvement? Na wao.... The stats are identical. Even the most important of them all, the scoreline, is the same. So?

Don't tell me you read all what Android22 said and made any sense from it.