Think4Myself:

You're a kid a teenager that I stopped so low out of frustration

I’ve been many things (kid, adult, man, woman, single, married) to you, just on this thread alone.

What more evidence do we need that you’re deluded and hallucinating?

Buhaha.

The oba of Benin was never overlord to the ITSEKIRIS.... never.
The ITSEKIRIS only accommodated a Bini prince that was exiled.
The prince blended himself with the ITSEKIRI culture and a leadership system similar to fat of d Binis was formed, as a matter of fact, most itsekiri commities didn't accept the Bini prince as their king until the late 18th century.
So don't twist history as if d Binis conquered D ITSEKIRI nation.
The truth remains dat the ITSEKIRIS ARE THE FIRST TO ESTABLISH CONTACT WITH THE EUROPEANS IN NIGERIA.

TAO11:

IF you must come to the public sphere to discuss, you must come forward with your evidence.

Show me your evidence. You’re saying it’s at home. Go and bring it na. What’s my own. Are you daft?

Of course it’s a tongue but you are yet to prove to me that the crap you’re typing is the linguistic reality.

Bring me linguistic evidence stop saying it’s at home with your people. Bring something verifiable. Help ya self.

Contrary to your delusions, the linguistic evidence has the following to say:

(1) The Bini word oghene has three distinct meanings in order of their popular usage context as follows.

(A) oghene → Osa [i.e. God].

(B) oghene → Ooni of Ife.

(C) oghene → A piece from a five-piece kola.

(2) The Bini word oghene (whatever meaning it has) originally comes the name Ooni.

“oghene … cf. Yor. Ooni.”

H. Melzian, A Concise Dictionary of the Bini Language of Southern Nigeria.

Making a claim is one thing, providing evidence for it is another thing.

Help yourself with some evidence if you must come forward to make claims.

Peace! :

The oba of benin must be yoruba by force or fire �....

The east is west and west is east in tao11 contest, the more you lingers this on the more you promote our truth, you have done more damage to yourself and yoruba at large than good

gregyboy:
The oba of benin must be yoruba by force or fire....

The east is west and west is east in tao11 contest, the more you lingers this on the more you promote our truth, you have done more damage to yourself and yoruba at large than good

Facts are NOT for you.

Facts are for those who are able to make use of their brain. NOT for you.

gregyboy:



The oba of benin must be yoruba by force or fire �....

The east is west and west is east in tao11 contest, the more you lingers this on the more you promote our truth, you have done more damage to yourself and yoruba at large than good

Oba of Benin is supposed to be the grandson of Oduduwa, a fictional character created out of the narrative of Sultan Bello of Sokoto in 1824.

Oba of Benin is also supposed to be from the middle east countries of Saudi Arabia or Egypt by this narrative.

Somehow, everyone is to believe this, even though, Oduduwa, Oranmiyan and Ife were not mentioned in Benin early Europeans written history. None of these names appeared in Benin history until 1897.

Oba of Benin messagers was said to travelled East to meet Ogane, whilst Oranmiyan was said to travelled North towards Mecca to avenge his father's I'll treatments.

Today, history revisionist wants everyone to believe that Oba of Benin messager went West instead of East and Oranmiyan came to Benin instead of Mecca.

Anybody out there that still take these stories seriously, deserves to have his/her brain examined by psychiatrists.

(1) Europeans are believed to have visited the Nigeria coastal areas from around the 1470s/1480s.

(2) These Europeans documented virtually everything they observed/heard, including details from meetings.

(3) These Europeans made occasional visits to Benin kingdom itself to apparently meet the Benin kings.

(4) Recent Benin stories tell us that the following have ruled Benin from the beginning till circa 1848:

Eweka I
Uwuakhuahen
Henmihen
Ewedo
Oguola
Edoni
Udagbedo
Ohen
Egbeka
Orobiru
Uwaifiokun
Ewuare I
Ezoti
Olua
Ozolua
Esigie
Orhogbua
Ehengbuda
Ohuan
Ohenzae
Akenkpaye
Akengbedo
Ore-Oghene
Ewuakpe
Ozuere
Akenzua I
Eresoyen
Akengbuda
Obanosa
Ogbebo
Osemwende

(5) Interestingly, none of these names feature as king of Benin in any writing of those Europeans.

(6) In fact, not even the red-highlighted names whom the Europeans are supposed to have met in person.

(7) Yet, from 1897 (and onward) some of these names began to feature in Benin stories/writings.

(8 ) Why didn’t the Europeans (who were on ground in Benin) document a thing on the above-listed names?

(9) A Benin m0r0n wants his fellow-morons to believe Oduduwa didn’t exist since his name isn’t written.

(10) Yet, the same Benin m0r0n (& his fellow morons) want to believe that the above-listed supposed Benin heroes existed — despite no single record of them.

(11) All these is despite that Oduduwa is supposed to have fluorished at a time when no European (or any writer) visited the Nigeria area.

(12) Also, all these is despite the fact that the above-listed names (the red-highlighted ones) are supposed to have flourished when Europeans visited them.

(13) IF Bini morons must exhibit natural ret@rdation, they should at least be ret@rded with consistency.

Peace!

samuk:
[s]Below is the Ooni linking Ooniship to Egyptian god Osiris and TAO11 previous comments on the video.

In TAO11 reply below, she accuses the Ooni of living in a fantasy world by linking Ooniship with Egyptian Osiris.

TAO11 is yet to provide us the date Yoruba first published a book contrary to the middle east origin of Oduduwa and Yoruba people.

She thinks insults are what wins debates.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxZAXb0XVwI[/s]

Straw clutching has taken over. LMAO!

How to know when @samuk has been devastatingly humiliated?

He starts back-tracking cunningly while clutching at straws. See summary below:

Samuk:
Sultan Bello wrote about Oduduwa.

Me:
He never did. [I debunked that]

Samuk:
True! I’m actually dvmb for having said that.

Me:
I know. So, what next now?

Samuk:
At least S. Bello said Yorubas are from Mecca, and the Yorubas of his days agree with him.

Me:
No they didn’t agree. They said something else.
[I debunked that]

Samuk:
Yes, the Yorubas informed the Landers that they are autochthones, and the Landers documented that. So, my point is that it wasn’t a Yoruba pen.

Me:
[I no wan laugh ]
It’s a Yoruba account. It doesn’t matter whose pen it is. Just as the European writings collected from Benin are the Binis’ despite the pen being the Europeans’.

Yorubas debunked Bello from the get go in the early-1800s and it was published in the early-1800s as well.

Capeesh?

Samuk:
Yes ma!

———————
Having humiliated you again on that, I would move on to zooming in on your second humiliation:

Samuk:
Oba Adeyeye said Oonis are from Osiris.

Oba Adeyeye:
If anything, Osiris are from Oonis is what I said, my son.

Me:
@Samuk ‘did they use lie and swear for you?’

Samuk:
F*ck, she caught me again. I don’t even know why I lie.

Me:
Of course you know why you lie. Buhaha

Samuk:
Okay, okay. But you said that’s his fantasy.

Me:
Nope, “fancy”. And whether his “fancy” or historical conclusion, you lied.

He never said Oonis came from Osiris. Neither did he say that Yorubas are from Egypt. You’e a fatuous liar.

Peace!

@samuk you MiStAkEnLy missed the comment below by OvErSiGhT, kindly take note. Tainkiu.

TAO11:
@samuk, you must to answer this questions wey you dey run from oo

Yes, you’ve bungled on your ignorant dog-shit that S. Bello wrote about Oduduwa and that the Yorubas of the early 1800s and up till recently agree with Bello.

Now, it’s time to get up from the gutter, wipe/clean ya self up and answer the question at the end of the following information. Thanks.
—————————

The following names are not found or mentioned in over 400 years Benin written European eyewitness historical accounts:

Eweka I
Uwuakhuahen
Henmihen
Ewedo
Oguola
Edoni
Udagbedo
Ohen
Egbeka
Orobiru
Uwaifiokun
Ewuare I
Ezoti
Olua
Ozolua
Esigie
Orhogbua
Ehengbuda
Ohuan
Ohenzae
Akenkpaye
Akengbedo
Ore-Oghene
Ewuakpe
Ozuere
Akenzua I
Eresoyen
Akengbuda
Obanosa
Ogbebo
Osemwende

So the questions for you remain:
(1) Do you likewise agree that the above-listed names of supposed Benin kings have nothing to do with Benin kingdom (based on your autistic standard of writing)?


(2) Do you likewise agree that the above-listed names are mere fairytales that were created by revisionists after 1897 (based on your autistic standard of writing)?

Peace.

TAO11:
(1) Europeans are believed to have visited the Nigeria coastal areas from around the 1470s/1480s.

(2) These Europeans documented virtually everything they observed/heard, including details from meetings.

(3) These Europeans made occasional visits to Benin kingdom itself to apparently meet the Benin kings.

(4) Recent Benin stories tell us that the following have ruled Benin from the beginning till circa 1848:

Eweka I
Uwuakhuahen
Henmihen
Ewedo
Oguola
Edoni
Udagbedo
Ohen
Egbeka
Orobiru
Uwaifiokun
Ewuare I
Ezoti
Olua
Ozolua
Esigie
Orhogbua
Ehengbuda
Ohuan
Ohenzae
Akenkpaye
Akengbedo
Ore-Oghene
Ewuakpe
Ozuere
Akenzua I
Eresoyen
Akengbuda
Obanosa
Ogbebo
Osemwende

(5) Interestingly, none of these names feature as king of Benin in any writing of those Europeans.

(6) In fact, not even the red-highlighted names whom the Europeans are supposed to have met in person.

(7) Yet, from 1897 (and onward) some of these names began to feature in Benin stories/writings.

(8 ) Why didn’t the Europeans (who were on ground in Benin) document a thing on the above-listed names?

(9) A Benin m0r0n wants his fellow-morons to believe Oduduwa didn’t exist since his name isn’t written.

(10) Yet, the same Benin m0r0n (& his fellow morons) want to believe that the above-listed supposed Benin heroes existed — despite no single record of them.

(11) All these is despite that Oduduwa is supposed to have fluorished at a time when no European (or any writer) visited the Nigeria area.

(12) Also, all these is despite the fact that the above-listed names (the red-highlighted ones) are supposed to have flourished when Europeans visited them.

(13) IF Bini morons must exhibit natural ret@rdation, they should at least be ret@rded with consistency.

Peace!

So for this reason, East should become West and West should become East.

Oranmiyan travelling towards North to Mecca to avenge his Father's I'll treatments should be changed to Oranmiyan travel to Benin on 3 months holiday and impregnated a Benin princess to birthed the Oba of Benin.

samuk:
[s]So for this reason, East should become West and West should become East.

Oranmiyan travelling towards North to Mecca to avenge his Father's I'll treatments should be changed to Oranmiyan travel to Benin on 3 months holiday and impregnated a Benin princess to birthed the Oba of Benin.[/s]

Lmao.

How to know when @samuk’s brain has jammed due to severe humiliation from my refutations?

He types incoherent mumble-jumble and discursive jibber-jabber such as the one I’m replying here.

Samuk, pick yourself up from the dirt and get yourself to live in the real world.

Also, make sure to see a therapist because IFE is the the PLACE from where dawn/sunrise comes.

And Yorubas (since the 1800s) said that Yorubas are autochthonous to their present homeland.

Where are Binis in general from? Egypt? Sudan? Ife?

May God have mercy on your bruised soul.

Sha answer my questions and save Benin NOW.

TAO11:
Lmao.

How to know when @samuk’s brain has jammed due to severe humiliation from my refutations?

He types incoherent mumble-jumble and discursive jibber-jabber such as the one I’m replying here.

Samuk, pick yourself up from the dirt and get yourself to live in the real world.

Also, make sure to see a therapist because IFE is the the PLACE from where dawn/sunrise comes.

And Yorubas (since the 1800s) said that Yorubas are autochthonous to their present homeland.

Where are Binis in general from? Egypt? Sudan? Ife?

May God have mercy on your bruised soul.

Sha answer my questions and save Benin NOW.

Were and when exactly did Yoruba first published this realisation since the 1800s.

You are know for dishing out irrelevant references, let us know when Yoruba realised that they were no longer from Mecca and Egypt.

Your unhealthy obsession with Benin history have dried up your supports. You are now alone in your struggle to turn lie to truth, East to West, Mecca to Benin and Ogane to Ooni.

Give it a rest and get a life, Benin/Ife relationship was nothing but a political history that started around 1897.

I repeat, Oduduwa, Oranmiyan and Ife were not mentioned in Benin history before 1897.

samuk:
[s]1) Were and when exactly did Yoruba first published this realisation since the 1800s.

You are know for dishing out irrelevant references, let us know when Yoruba realised that they were no longer from Mecca and Egypt.

2) Your unhealthy obsession with Benin history have dried up your supports. You are now alone in you struggle to turn lie to truth, East to West, Mecca to Benin and Ogane to Ooni.

3) Give it a rest and get a life, Benin/Ife relationship was nothing but a political history that started around 1897.

4) I repeat, Oduduwa, Oranmiyan and Ife were not mentioned in Benin history before 1897.[/s]

1) You promised never to trust a Bini account as long as the pen writing it was brought from Europe — even if the European clearly stated that the Binis say. LMAO.

Why should I then think you would accept an account as Yoruba even when the European’s pen clearly says this is coming from the Yorubas [in the early 1800s]??

2) Eyah! I’ve always loved to flog you to death solo. The Igbos and Yorubas et al. watched me singlehandedly conduct your funeral. What then is there to see again?

And your Benin kings must always pay homage to Ife and other parts of Yorubaland every morning as the sun rises at dawn.

This daily morning devotion of Benin obas continue to affirm IFE (/Yorubaland generally) as the reverential PLACE from where dawn/sunrise comes.

IFE is thus the reverential “east” (place of dawn) in the geographical west of Benin. Ask again for references. I am happy to educate you all over.

Mecca to Benin? Your delusions know no bound. You better take care of your mental health. LMAO!

Ogane (Portuguese rendition of a native African word) matches no other monarch in the whole of the Guinea forest except the “Oɣoni” of IFE.

Says TAO?? No! Says the unanimous conclusion of the historical scholarship all over the world today. Yes, it is based on overwhelming evidence.

Am I pretending like this fact doesn’t hurt you?? No!

(3) Eeyah! You mean that Itsekiri/Benin relationship is nothing but a political history which began around 1897??

This appears very plausible because unlike the Father-Ife/Son-Benin relationship for which evidence abound since the pre-1800 in writings and artifacts among others; there is no evidence whatsoever for any pre-1800 Itsekiri/Benin relationship.

4) The following personages whom I would consider as fairytales are not mentioned in Benin history before 1897:

Eweka I
Uwuakhuahen
Henmihen
Ewedo
Oguola
Edoni
Udagbedo
Ohen
Egbeka
Orobiru
Uwaifiokun
Ewuare I
Ezoti
Olua
Ozolua
Esigie
Orhogbua
Ehengbuda
Ohuan
Ohenzae
Akenkpaye
Akengbedo
Ore-Oghene
Ewuakpe
Ozuere
Akenzua I
Eresoyen
Akengbuda
Obanosa
Ogbebo
Osemwende

I make bold to say that (unlike Oduduwa, Oranmiyan, Ife, etc. which are all cross referenced from different cultures) these above listed supposed Benin kings are mere fairy-tales who have nothing whatsoever to do with Benin kingdom and its history.

Peace!

samuk:
[s]Below is the Ooni linking Ooniship to Egyptian god Osiris and TAO11 previous comments on the video.

In TAO11 reply below, she accuses the Ooni of living in a fantasy world by linking Ooniship with Egyptian Osiris.

TAO11 is yet to provide us the date Yoruba first published a book contrary to the middle east origin of Oduduwa and Yoruba people.

She thinks insults are what wins debates.[/s]

Straw clutching has taken over. LMAO!

How to know when @samuk has been devastatingly humiliated?

He starts back-tracking cunningly while clutching at straws. See summary below:

Samuk:
Sultan Bello wrote about Oduduwa.

Me:
He never did. [I debunked that]

Samuk:
True! I’m actually dvmb for having said that.

Me:
I know. So, what next now?

Samuk:
At least S. Bello said Yorubas are from Mecca, and the Yorubas of his days agree with him.

Me:
No they didn’t agree. They said something else.
[I debunked that]

Samuk:
Yes, the Yorubas informed the Landers that they are autochthones, and the Landers documented that. So, my point is that it wasn’t a Yoruba pen.

Me:
[I no wan laugh ]
It’s a Yoruba account. It doesn’t matter whose pen it is. Just as the European writings collected from Benin are the Binis’ despite the pen being the Europeans’.

Yorubas debunked Bello from the get go in the early-1800s and it was published in the early-1800s as well.

Capeesh?

Samuk:
Yes ma!

———————
Having humiliated you again on that, I would move on to zooming in on your second humiliation:

Samuk:
Oba Adeyeye said Oonis are from Osiris.

Oba Adeyeye:
If anything, Osiris are from Oonis is what I said, my son.

Me:
@Samuk ‘did they use lie and swear for you?’

Samuk:
F*ck, she caught me again. I don’t even know why I lie.

Me:
Of course you know why you lie. Buhaha

Samuk:
Okay, okay. But you said that’s his fantasy.

Me:
Nope, “fancy”. And whether his “fancy” or historical conclusion, you lied.

He never said Oonis came from Osiris. Neither did he say that Yorubas are from Egypt. You’e a fatuous liar.

Peace!

Why are you so bittered about the Benin kingdom that even the western world recognises.. plus you quote from what book is that again? Only from a source of book and not books to appease your ego?

TAO12:
CRAP!

Ogedengbe ravaged Owan and Etsako. He was moving down south closer and closer to the palace when your oba literally BEGGED & APPEASED and made peace with him so he can leave his kingdom alone.

Another debunked CRAPpy! falsehood

https://www.nairaland.com/6482972/name-lagos-called-ekonunuame-benins/5#104295576

Insult and Lies will not save you from me, because it has never saved you.

BeNiN iS a SuPeR pOwEr! LMAO! No wonder Benin suffered so much at the hands of its more powerful neighbours such as Nupe, Ilorin, and Ibadan.

TAO11:
1) You promised never to trust a Bini account as long as the pen writing it was brought from Europe — even if the European clearly stated that the Binis say. LMAO.

Why should I then think you would accept an account as Yoruba even when the European’s pen clearly says this is coming from the Yorubas [in the early 1800s]??

2) Eyah! I’ve always loved to flog you to death solo. The Igbos and Yorubas et al. watched me singlehandedly conduct your funeral. What then is there to see again?

And your Benin kings must always pay homage to Ife and other parts of Yorubaland every morning as the sun rises at dawn.

This daily morning devotion of Benin obas continue to affirm IFE (/Yorubaland generally) as the reverential PLACE from where dawn/sunrise comes.

IFE is thus the reverential “east” (place of dawn) in the geographical west of Benin. Ask again for references. I am happy to educate you all over.

Mecca to Benin? Your delusions know no bound. You better take care of your mental health. LMAO!

Ogane (Portuguese rendition of a native African word) matches no other monarch in the whole of the Guinea forest except the “Oɣoni” of IFE.

Says TAO?? No! Says the unanimous conclusion of the historical scholarship all over the world today. Yes, it is based on overwhelming evidence.

Am I pretending like this fact doesn’t hurt you?? No!

(3) Eeyah! You mean that Itsekiri/Benin relationship is nothing but a political history which began around 1897??

This appears very plausible because unlike the Father-Ife/Son-Benin relationship for which evidence abound since the pre-1800 in writings and artifacts among others; there is no evidence whatsoever for any pre-1800 Itsekiri/Benin relationship.

4) The following personages whom I would consider as fairytales are not mentioned in Benin history before 1897:

Eweka I
Uwuakhuahen
Henmihen
Ewedo
Oguola
Edoni
Udagbedo
Ohen
Egbeka
Orobiru
Uwaifiokun
Ewuare I
Ezoti
Olua
Ozolua
Esigie
Orhogbua
Ehengbuda
Ohuan
Ohenzae
Akenkpaye
Akengbedo
Ore-Oghene
Ewuakpe
Ozuere
Akenzua I
Eresoyen
Akengbuda
Obanosa
Ogbebo
Osemwende

I make bold to say that (unlike Oduduwa, Oranmiyan, Ife, etc. which are all cross referenced from different cultures) these above listed supposed Benin kings are mere fairy-tales who have nothing whatsoever to do with Benin kingdom and its history.

Peace!

you said those history are fairytales because it does not suite you? Haba!!! I guess you don't believe other history as well... Like seriously?

Secondly, why do you think the Benin kingdom are some baby kingdom because they seems and are more higher than the Yoruba in history and in deeds? I don't think one needs to argue with your kind of mindset..

oswardic:
you said those history are fairytales because it does not suite you? Haba!!! I guess you don't believe other history as well... Like seriously?

Chai, where do I begin educating you from? But let’s see what you can grab.

So, my comment which you quoted was in reply to one of your brothers who has been chatting crap.

He set a standard for himself — namely an illogical & dvmb standard which is not found anywhere.

His ret@rded standard goes thus: If the name of a king wasn’t written down while he was alive to enable us see such writing today, then such king is a fiction & a fairytale that was only made up later by his people.

He also says that if a specific event was not written at at the time of the event — such that we now have it in our hands today — then such event is fictional and simply made up later by the people.

On the basis of these retarded standards of his, he then concluded that since there are no writings today from Oduduwa’s and Oranmiyan’s days showing their names; then Oduduwa & Oranmiyan didn’t exist, and that thus, they had no relationship with Benin.

How dvmb of him, right? Yes everyone realized he’s actually dvmb.

But so he himself can publicly admit his dumbness, I educated him along the lines that none of those Bini kings I listed have their names in any of the writings of their time.

Their names first featured in writings which are years, decades, and centuries apart from their own times. And these are writings by folks who never witnessed what they’re writing about.

In the light of these background, it must now be clear to you why my conclusion said:

“I make bold to say that (unlike Oduduwa, Oranmiyan, Ife, etc. which are all cross referenced[mentioned] from different cultures) these above listed supposed Benin kings are mere fairy-tales who have nothing whatsoever to do with Benin kingdom and its history. ”

It was to make him see/admit how dvmb he sounded when he said Oduduwa, Oranmiyan, et al. didn’t exist for the dvmb reason that folks from their time did not write down or/& pass down their written name to us.

Secondly, why do you think the Benin kingdom are some baby kingdom because they seems and are more higher than the Yoruba in history and in deeds? I don't think one needs to argue with your kind of mindset..

I’m not sure where you got the idea from that Benin is a baby kingdom. It’s up to you to believe that if you insist that it is indeed baby kingdom.

Like many other kingdoms in the Nigeria region, Benin too is great. But the problem with you Binis is that you don’t know where to draw the line between history & self-consoling-imaginations.

Your assertion that Benin was “higher than the Yoruba in history and in deeds” is just one typical instance of the delusions and feel-good-imaginations that you all regurgitate into each other’s mouth and then pass off as though that is history.

I really hope you do not believe your own lie because that would amount to mental illness. But I suspect you don’t. I think it’s the same problem of being force-fed & exposed to nothing but lies. You ended up growing up to believe it as the gospel truth, and I don’t blame you because that’s all the adults gave you.

Help yourself with evidence if you wish to be engaged and taken seriously by serious people. Evidence like the academic materials below; not some Edo blogs.

Cheers
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Reference:
1st screenshot:
H. M. Feinberg; Review of Ryder’s “Benin and the Europeans 1485-1897,” African Historical Studies, Vol. 4, No.2 (1971), p. 408. Published by Boston University African Studies Center.

2nd screenshot:
Adam Knobler; “Mythology and Diplomacy in the Age of Exploration,” Brill, 2016, p. 47.

oswardic:
Why are you so bittered about the Benin kingdom that even the western world recognises.. plus you quote from what book is that again?

Oh really?

BiTtEr that tHe wEsTeRn wOrLd rEcOgNisEs Benin. Lol.

Think again. I am only freeing you Binis from a strong grip of delusions. Simply helping you all draw the line between history and hallucinations.

If you pay close attention, you would notice that your people got saner on Nairaland recently — Isawa work o. Ask around.

Go outside Nigeria (in Europe, America, etc) and tell to someone that you’re from Benin. I bet they’ll think you referring to Benin Republic.

You’ll have to do some explaining before they’ll have a clue that there is another PLACE called Benin. Try the same for Yorùbá-land.

Yes many people who search beyond the surface may remember your kingdom as the smaller Benin whose Ọba was banished, its chiefs executed, and its arts looted as a punishment for the murder of some members of Acting Consul-General Phillips’ team.

Only from a source of book and not books to appease your ego?

Can you type your question here in English please? Thanks.

But if what you tried to ask for is the reference to that attachment, then be duly informed that it’s now given in the foregoing comment.

Cheers.

About European mentioning Obas

1 The Edo wasn’t the first people European meet when they arrived the first people they meet was the Itshekiri the Itshekiri take them to Oba of Benin because he was the overload of Edo to their kingdom as all together was seen as Benin kingdom by the European.

2 Itshekiri has a king then Benin prince but it was a crime to sign agreement with European that why they have to bring it to Oba of Benin so the Europ have to document Oba Ewuare second was ozolua 3 Esigie the great as the first king they meet in Bight of Benin.

Any trade Itshekiri even make with the European it must be Agee first by Benin as they were the overload there.

The truth is European meet Itshekiri there first and Itshekiri take them to their overload to sign and trade with fact.

Bight of Benin or Benin empire include Itshekiri to the south lagose to the west till now all the chiefs or administrative are still Benin linage. If Oba send a prince there to control them he send list of chiefs with them to make them comfortable in the environment.

Chiefs from Iyase corrupted to Iyasere in Itshekiri to the last chiefs are all Benin linage and decend

Jameseddi1:
About European mentioning Obas

1 The Edo wasn’t the first people European meet when they arrived the first people they meet was the Itshekiri the Itshekiri take them to Oba of Benin because he was the overload of Edo to their kingdom as all together was seen as Benin kingdom by the European.

Sharrap!

This is Nairaland where you’ll be challenged, and not Ekpenede street where the people have no brains in their cranium to think with.

The classical traditional Benin account of the coming of Europeans to Benin has it that: The then Benin Ọba sent messengers with rich gifts to Itsekiri and also to BEg the Europeans there to please visit Benin too.

2 Itshekiri has a king then Benin prince but it was a crime to sign agreement with European that why they have to bring it to Oba of Benin so the Europ have to document Oba Ewuare second was ozolua 3 Esigie the great as the first king they meet in Bight of Benin.

This one clearly doesn’t know jack — not even his left from his right.

Again, Benin came to Itsekiri with gifts. They came to beg that the Europeans should please visit Benin too.

The Itsekiris had already been trading with Europeans prior to when the Benin beggars came begging. All of these are per Benin traditions as documented.

So, I’m confused why you’re hallucinating that it was a crime for the Itsekiris to trade with the Europeans.

Oh you mean it was a crime that the Itsekiris acceded to the beggings of the Benin king? Cos that seems to make more sense in this context.

Lastly: Whether Ewuare, or Ozolua, or Esigie; there is absolutely no writing from their times which mentions any of their names.

Shall we then disregard them as fictional characters or fairytales on this basis, per your brother’s deluded, illogical made-up criterion?

Any trade Itshekiri even make with the European it must be Agee first by Benin as they were the overload there.

It is this very delusion that make me flog you Bini liars. Are you all cursed to lie?

If your kingdom was indeed great as you think, don’t you all think you shouldn’t need to tell all these lies?

The truth is European meet Itshekiri there first and Itshekiri take them to their overload to sign and trade with fact.

Your delusions actually know no bound. Lmao.

Cheers.

Jameseddi1:
Bight of Benin or Benin empire

The Bight of Benin is different from Benin ?empire.

The Bight of Benin is the name applied by the earliest Portuguese traders in the west/central African coasts to a specific bend of the Atlantic ocean (in the Nigeria area) which they ply for trade.

They named this bight after the kingdom of Benin as this was the only great kingdom (near this Atlantic coast in the Nigeria area) with whom they had many trade.

The other great and in fact greater kingdoms (i.e. Ifẹ, Ọyọ, Borno, et al.) are deep in the interior & no where near the Atlantic coast where the Portuguese carried on their trading activities with natives.

As such, this name was chosen by these Portuguese on the basis of convenience and acquaintance (those with whom they have trade and friendly relations).

Another instance of this is seen in their choice of the name “Guinea” for the West African forest area as a whole — from today’s Sierra Leone and Guinea on the west, through Liberia, Côte d'Ivoire, Ghana, Togo all the way through Nigeria and then to Cameroon on the east. They had good trade relations in Guinea.

This is illustrated in the old map attached below. The area named “Guinea” covers a large expanse including Benin kingdom in Nigeria.

Does this mean that Guinea was once a sUpErPowEr? Or does this mean that “Guinea” once owned or once controlled Benin kingdom? Lol. No, it’s all convenience and acquaintance.

… Benin empire include Itshekiri to the south lagose to the west till now all the chiefs or administrative are still Benin linage.

First of all, most authors have the view that Benin kingdom didn’t achieve empire status.

Secondly, your fictitious empire (even if it existed) did not include Itsekiri or Lagos.

As for the Itsekiri:
Yes the ruling dynasty of Itsekiri claims to be from the Bini royal lineage.

However, Itsekiri kingdom was independent of Benin kingdom in every respect.

BTW, Itsekiri traditions claim that their Bini royal home traces even farther back to Ifẹ in Yorubaland.
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As for Lagos (i.e. the small island of Eko — not Lagos as a whole as it is known today):
Yes, the progenitor of the Eko kingdom (i.e. Aṣipa) is a Yoruba man (an Awori) from Iṣeri; not a Bini man.

As such his son, Ado (born of a Bini mom) the official first crowned king of Eko, is therefore a Yorùbá.

In sum, your Ọba didn’t rule Eko. Nor did any Bini. You actually wish they did.

Your Ọbas ruled their Benin city and its surrounding Edoid villages and towns. If that’s what an empire is to you, then good for you all.

If Oba send a prince there to control them he send list of chiefs with them to make them comfortable in the environment.

Hallucinations! Stop reading Edo blogs. Read history books written by historians — I mean actual historians trained for the job. Not a YouTuber.

Chiefs from Iyase corrupted to Iyasere in Itshekiri to the last chiefs are all Benin linage and decend

It suffices here to refer you to my above comment which says:

As for the Itsekiri:
Yes the ruling dynasty of Itsekiri claims to be from the Bini royal lineage.

However, Itsekiri kingdom was independent of Benin kingdom in every respect.

BTW, Itsekiri traditions claim that their Bini royal home traces even farther back to Ifẹ in Yorubaland.

Cheers.

TAO11:
The Bight of Benin is different from Benin ?empire.

The Bight of Benin is the name applied by the earliest Portuguese traders in the west/central African coasts to a specific bend of the Atlantic ocean (in the Nigeria area) which they ply for trade.

They named this bight after the kingdom of Benin as this was the only great kingdom (near this Atlantic coast in the Nigeria area) with whom they had many trade.

The other great and in fact greater kingdoms (i.e. Ifẹ, Ọyọ, Borno, et al.) are deep in the interior & no where near the Atlantic coast where the Portuguese carried on their trading activities with natives.

As such, this name was chosen by these Portuguese on the basis of convenience and acquaintance (those with whom they have trade and friendly relations).

Another instance of this is seen in their choice of the name “Guinea” for the West African forest area as a whole — from today’s Sierra Leone and Guinea on the west, through Liberia, Côte d'Ivoire, Ghana, Togo all the way through Nigeria and then to Cameroon on the east. They had good trade relations in Guinea.

This is illustrated in the old map attached below. The area named “Guinea” covers a large expanse including Benin kingdom in Nigeria.

Does this mean that Guinea was once a sUpErPowEr? Or does this mean that “Guinea” once owned or once controlled Benin kingdom? Lol. No, it’s all convenience and acquaintance.



First of all, most authors have the view that Benin kingdom didn’t achieve empire status.

Secondly, your fictitious empire (even if it existed) did not include Itsekiri or Lagos.

As for the Itsekiri:
Yes the ruling dynasty of Itsekiri claims to be from the Bini royal lineage.

However, Itsekiri kingdom was independent of Benin kingdom in every respect.

BTW, Itsekiri traditions claim that their Bini royal home traces even farther back to Ifẹ in Yorubaland.
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As for Lagos (i.e. the small island of Eko — not Lagos as a whole as it is known today):
Yes, the progenitor of the Eko kingdom (i.e. Aṣipa) is a Yoruba man (an Awori) from Iṣeri; not a Bini man.

As such his son, Ado (born of a Bini mom) the official first crowned king of Eko, is therefore a Yorùbá.

In sum, your Ọba didn’t rule Eko. Nor did any Bini. You actually wish they did.

Your Ọbas ruled their Benin city and its surrounding Edoid villages and towns. If that’s what an empire is to you, then good for you all.

Hallucinations! Stop reading Edo blogs. Read history books written by historians — I mean actual historians trained for the job. Not a YouTuber.

It suffices here to refer you to my above comment which says:

As for the Itsekiri:
Yes the ruling dynasty of Itsekiri claims to be from the Bini royal lineage.

However, Itsekiri kingdom was independent of Benin kingdom in every respect.

BTW, Itsekiri traditions claim that their Bini royal home traces even farther back to Ifẹ in Yorubaland.

Cheers.

The map you brought even prove you wrong lol
That map is Origina not the one and Benin is only there no Igbo no Oyo

And two the Royals has of Lagos claim their ruling linage is from Benin and you comona prove otherwise

So I should believe the direct descendant of ruling house of Eko the Oba of lagos and believe you?

If Oba king of lagose back real history up saying they are Benin and they were formally in Benin empire I should leave him and focus on you?

And thank God you accept the ruling royalty house of Itshekiri all as Benin decend today.

In your heart you truly know how Benin was so great only that you just don’t want accept that the empire cover many Yoruba land of today and all Igbo of today

Jameseddi1:


In your heart you truly know how Benin was so great only that you just don’t want accept that the empire cover many Yoruba land of today and all Igbo of today

Your evidence that Benin empire covered ALL of Igboland is a screenshot of Olaudah Equiano's Wikipedia page?

I mean, by now I should be used to it, but it still leaves me baffled how audacious Benin people are in spinning yarn!

It used to be the Western Igbo (a.k.a., Anioma) who the Benin claimed to have been part of their empire. Now, in recent years (no later than 2 or 3 years) Nairaland Benin boys have added ALL of Igboland to their empire. What Benin liars cannot do does not exist.

TAO11:

(2) The location of old-Oyo (i.e. farther north and not far from the Niger River) had become uninhabited and abandoned since the early/mid-1800s.

(3) Your photo is thus not of the imperial palace of the Oyo Empire (i.e. old-Oyo) as the empire ended and its location was abandoned since the 1800s.

TAO11:


The other great and in fact greater kingdoms (i.e. Ifẹ, Ọyọ, Borno, et al.) are deep in the interior & no where near the Atlantic coast where the Portuguese carried on their trading activities with natives.

The lies are layed out for discerning minds.

This liar once told everyone that the reason the Europeans didn't visit her fictitious Oyo empire was because is was deep in the forest.

Forgetting this lie, she can back to tell us that old Oyo was not far from Niger River.

Again, why didn't the Europeans who travelled the Niger River up and down for over 400 years not seen this Old Oyo empire.

No bro the list are many nobles.

Zik of first president of Nigeria/IgboAfrica
Obi/king of Agbor
Obi/king of iseloku and so on…

My list are from nobles the screenshot is someone that witness it as they are few.The person who should be believed in all are the ones that really witnessed it that why I post the screenshot.

Jameseddi1:
The map you brought even prove you wrong lol
That map is Origina not the one and Benin is only there no Igbo no Oyo

One who must educate a dullard must learn patience. I’d be patient with you.

So, different old maps feature different names — and some of the old maps don’t even feature Benin at all.

Having said that, my point earlier was that the phrase Bight of Benin was chosen simply on the basis of who and who are the namers acquainted with.

And I cited the instance of the phrase “Guinea Forest” as same namers applied it to the vast stretch of the W/African forst region — including your Benin.

Doesn’t mean Guinea had some supremacy, nor does it mean that they owned Benin kingdom and beyond.

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Back to the matter here, any name may appear in an old map as the cartographer deems it relevant for the specific purpose of creating the map.

The 1st attachment below shows an old map on which the name Benin appears. My highlight on same map also features Yorubaland with one of its old names — that is, Regna Olukumi or Yoruba kingdoms.

The second attachment below is an old map on which the name Benin is completely absent. However, same old map features Ọyọ with its old name Katunga. Same map also features Igbo with the spelling Eboe. No Benin on the map.

The 3rd attachment below is an old map on which th name Benin is completely absent. However, same old map feature the Kingdom of the Ọọni, viz. Regnum Ọɣọni in the older/archaic form.

NB: The sound ɣ is a voiced velar fricative, i.e., sound “gh”.

[s]And two the Royals has of Lagos claim their ruling linage is from Benin and you comona prove otherwise

So I should believe the direct descendant of ruling house of Eko the Oba of lagos and believe you?

If Oba king of lagose back real history up saying they are Benin and they were formally in Benin empire I should leave him and focus on you?[/s]

No where does any Ọba Lagos Eko mention that Aṣipa has a Bini parent, or that Ado (Aṣipa's son) has a Bini father.

Cheers.

Jameseddi1:
And thank God you accept the ruling royalty house of Itshekiri all as Benin decend today.

Of course that’s true just as every other history lesson I’ve been dishing to your dull people.

So, hopefully you don’t have selective seeing disorder this time around see below:

“As for the Itsekiri:
Yes the ruling dynasty of Itsekiri claims to be from the Bini royal lineage.

However, Itsekiri kingdom was independent of Benin kingdom in every respect.

BTW, Itsekiri traditions claim that their Bini royal home traces even farther back to Ifẹ in Yorubaland.”

In your heart you truly know how Benin was so great

Yes, I know Benin kingdom was so great to have been established by dynasty founders from Ife. Benin was so great to have ruled itself and its surrounding Edo villages and towns.

… only that you just don’t want accept that the empire cover many Yoruba land of today and all Igbo of today

You delusional Bini people make me laugh hard. Whoever did this insecure thang to you all will not know peace.

Wake up and smell the coffee, Mr delusional. Oba of Benin ruled Benin city and its surrounding Edo villages and towns. Shikena.

And what does this Wikipedia page you attached have to do with Yorubaland or people? Moreover is a Wikipedia page supposed to serve as your historical evidence of ruling Igbo land?

Na wa o.

Cheers

samuk:
[s]The lies are layed out for discerning minds.

This liar once told everyone that the reason the Europeans didn't visit her fictitious Oyo empire was because is was deep in the forest.

Forgetting this lie, she can back to tell us that old Oyo was not far from Niger River.[/s]

Your comments always make me wonder how messed up your mental health must be. Lol.

You lie to yourself and still fight your mind to believe your own lies. Isn’t that insanity?

Or could it be that you’re simply targeting your fellow Binis (the very dull ones who of course are a majority) who do not know their left from their right?

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Back To The Matter:
The detailed and clear map of W-Africa below clears up what you’re pretending to be unaware of.

(1) On one hand I had said, the old-Oyo (i.e. the great Oyo empire) was deep in the interior and is no where near the coast of the Atlantic ocean.

(2) On the other hand, I also mentioned that the old-Oyo (the great Oyo empire) was deep in the interior so much that it was not far from the Niger River.

You appear to give the impression that these two are contradictory. I think it’s now safe to conclude that you love to be publicly humiliated.

And I say this because even a person with 1 braincell should know that the River Niger is not confined only to southern Nigeria.

As you can see from the map attached below, it runs from SierraLeone to Guinea, and through Bamako and Tombouctou in Mali, through Niamey in Niger all the way to Lokoja and Asaba in Nigeria, and ending in the Atlantic Ocean.

Having spoon fed you on that, it should be obvious to you now how old-Oyo (the great Oyo empire) was far from the Atlantic coast (see my label coast) and at the same time close to the Niger River (see my red-dot label of old-Oyo in the same map).

Again, why didn't the Europeans who travelled the Niger River up and down for over 400 years not seen this Old Oyo empire.

LMAO! Which Europeans traveled the Niger River up and down for 400 years?? No European did lad.

You have to start reading books on history so you can avoid public humiliations like this one. Okay?

Good boy. Cheers.

TAO11:

Your comments always make me wonder how messed up your mental health must be. Lol.

You lie to yourself and still fight your mind to believe your own lies. Isn’t that insanity?

Or could it be that you’re simply targeting your fellow Binis (the very dull ones who of course are a majority) who do not know their left from their right?

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Back To The Matter:
The detailed and clear map of W-Africa below clears up what you’re pretending to be unaware of.

(1) On one hand I had said, the old-Oyo (i.e. the great Oyo empire) was deep in the interior and is no where near the coast of the Atlantic ocean.

(2) On the other hand, I also mentioned that the old-Oyo (the great Oyo empire) was deep in the interior so much that it was not far from the Niger River.

You appear to give the impression that these two are contradictory. I think it’s now safe to conclude that you love to be publicly humiliated.

And I say this because even a person with a braincell should know that the River Niger is not confined only to southern Nigeria.

As you can see from the map attached below, it runs from SierraLeone to Guinea, and through Bamako and Tombouctou in Mali, through Niamey in Niger all the way to Lokoja and Asaba in Nigeria, and ending in the Atlantic Ocean.

Having spoon fed you on that, it should be obvious to you now how old-Oyo (the great Oyo empire) was far from the Atlantic coast (see my label coast) and at the same time close to the Niger River (see my red-dot label of old-Oyo in the same map).

LMAO! Which Europeans traveled the Niger River up and down for 400 years?? No European did lad.

You have to start reading books on history so you can avoid public humiliations like this one. Okay?

Good boy. Cheers.

Mungo Park was a Scottish explorer of West Africa. After an exploration of the upper Niger River around 1796, he wrote a popular and influential travel book titled Travels in the Interior Districts of Africa in which he theorized the Niger and Congo merged to become the same river.



Mungo Park explored the interior of Africa along the Niger River around 1796 and didn't see Oyo empire that was supposed to be not too far from the Niger River according to your claim.

in 1830. Richard Lander and his brother became the first Europeans to follow the course of the Niger from source to ocean.

The lander brothers also didn't see any Oyo empire you claimed to be close to the Niger River.

....Hugh Clapperton continued his journey, and, passing through the Yoruba country, in January 1826 he crossed the Niger at Bussa, the spot where Mungo Park had died twenty years before

Hugh Clapperton did reach Oyo and visited the Alaafin of Oyo in 1826, what Clapperton saw was a small village and not an empire. The Alaafin even told Clapperton that he had sent to Oba of Benin for military assistance to help end the rebellion he was facing from his neighbours....other smaller villages around him.

The entire length of the Niger River from source to ocean including the interior was travelled by Europeans explorers in the 1700s and 1800s and didn't witness an Oyo empire.

TAO11:


In sum, your Ọba didn’t rule Eko. Nor did any Bini. You actually wish they did.

Your Ọbas ruled their Benin city and its surrounding Edoid villages and towns. If that’s what an empire is to you, then good for you all.

So the Benin military garrison and military barracks filled with soldiers that was stationed in Lagos in the 1500s and witnessed by the Europeans in 1602 was for what purpose.....oh maybe to admire the Atlantic ocean

In the 1500s, tradition had it that Benin dynasty was ruling in Ida, middle belt Nigeria, this is the reason that the Ogane mentioned in Benin history in the 1400s and Uhe points to this location not your Ife, Osun state 1800s political fabrication. Same 1500s Benin already expanded her territories to Lagos and all important villages in between were controlled by Benin in one shape or form.

We are still waiting for eyewitness historical accounts of any Europeans that witness your fictitious Oyo empire.

Now you’ve been disgraced over your claim that Oyo can’t be far from coast and also near the Niger River.

I have demonstrated that Oyo was indeed far from the coast and also near the Niger River. See the map again for refresher.
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You’ve also been disgraced over your claim that some Europeans were traveling up and down the River for 400 years, i.e. from the 1400s, 1500s, 1600s, to 1700s and 1800s.

The first time ever when an European sailed the River, from source to termination, was the year 1830.

Seeing that you have been disgraced, you now want to stylishly backtrack. Lol.

You now want to change mouth to another issue, i.e., that Europeans who have been sailing the River didn’t find any Oyo around near the River. Lol.

Even with this new one, let’s see below if you won’t be disgraced again as in your above earlier comment.

samuk:
Mungo Park was a Scottish explorer of West Africa. After an exploration of the upper Niger River around 1796, he wrote a popular and influential travel book titled Travels in the Interior Districts of Africa in which he theorized the Niger and Congo merged to become the same river. Wikipedia
Born: 11 September 1771, Selkirkshire
Died: 1806, Bussa, Nigeria
Nationality: British

Mungo Park explored the interior of Africa along the Niger River around 1796 and didn't see Oyo empire.

You must really think you’re talking to some random Bini dullards at Ogbe street in Benin city.

Now to disgrace you again:
Mungo Park’s first travel to the Niger River was over land; from Gambia to Ségou in Mali (marked “x” on the map). See attached map. See also attached note.

Furthermore, his actual sailing on the River was not in 1795-6. Lol. It was in the year 1805. See note attached

Moreover, he couldn’t sail the River’s complete length because as he sailed on and approached from Mali to Niger, he and his team drowned at Bussa (point “b” on the map) as they entered the Nigeria region.

Death didn’t allow Mungo Park get to or sight the Oyo area o. Chai! . Lol

Get a book and read, you won’t listen. Now see how you’re being humiliated back and forth on top simple ‘current affairs’.

And how did you get 400 years between 1795 & 1806 samuk? Help yourself and read a book today.

in 1830. Richard Lander and his brother became the first Europeans to follow the course of the Niger from source to ocean.

The lander brothers also didn't see any Oyo empire you claimed to be close to the Niger River.

Of course the Lander brothers are the first Europeans to sail the River from source to termination in 1830.

And of course Richard Lander, et al. certainly stayed at Oyo. In fact, they were at Oyo prior to the exploration of the River.

Their great description of this empire may leave you in tears of jealousy. For example, Clapperton (who was in Oyo with his servant Richard Lander) writes:

“We first began inquiring after his health. I then told him that I was the king of England's servant, sent by his majesty to beg his acceptance of a present, which then lay before me; that we had heard his (the king of Youriba's) name mentioned in England as a great king; that we now experienced the truth of the report; that three white men, two of them my companions, and one a servant, had died on the road; that another of my companions was at Dahomey, to ask the king of that country to allow him a passage through his dominions.”
~ Journal of a Second Expedition, (1829), p. 38.

Now you know that the Alaafin was known in Europe as a great king (by the greatest EUrOpEaN king of the time) even before the EUrOpEaNs visited there.

Oh wait, you need the word E-M-P-I-R-E spelt out and not just the wowing greatness? Not to worry. Lol.

“From that period a mallam has never ventured to enter the gates of Katunga¹, and the Mohammedan religion was soon forgotten by the people. They have, however, penetrated beyond the empire of Yariba², two Houssa holy men, having found their way to Jannah, the town in which Dr. Morrison, it is said, died and was buried, and three others to Badagry; …”
~ Richard Lander, “Records of Captain Clapperton’s Last Expedition to Africa,” Vol. 1., (1830), pp. 279-280.

^1,2 “The city of Eyeo (in Houssa language, Katunga), the capital of Yourriba …”
~ Journal of a Second Expedition, (1829), pp. 58.


Read a book, read a book you won’t listen. Now see how you’ve been embarrassing yourself back to back.


Cheers.