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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Barryseal: 12:36am On Jan 26, 2022
Mujtahida:

In spite of the bolded, tomorrow he will still repeat the same thing about our best players or GK being in the local league.
Enyeama had world cup experience before winning the caf champions league with Enyimba. Enyimba won the champions league in 2003 /2004. Enyeama was Nigerian's number 2 in 2002 n kept against England.

The solution to the GK crisis is the npfl, that's where you get them raw and have the national team goalkeeper coach earn his money by developing them. Uzoho and Okoye have very low celine and very limited raw skillset. Both of these guys won't start for midtable Npfl clubs like Lobi Stars and Dakkada let alone Kano Pillars, Rangers and Rivers utd. Ask any league observer.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:42am On Jan 26, 2022
forgiveness:


You said you can't remember........but after I presented you with facts, you still don't deem it fit to stop arguing against unnecessary.

Mr man, did you see players being changed in the first half and before second half commenced? grin

or do you want me to show you more even from your press master Guardiola? grin

What facts did you present? A friendly match and a game in 2015 where from what I saw, Oliseh was angry with how Lukman was playing and took him off.

Was that the context of what the discussion was about?

The discussion was tactical changes. Unless you do not know what a tactical change is.

You criticised the coach unfairly. That is the truth and you can now see you are totally wrong expecting the coach to make changes in the first half with respect to tactics when the game was level and fairly balanced.

I repeat, your idea was wrong. You have browsed and seen you were making a tactically wrong suggestion.

Finito.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:42am On Jan 26, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


I can't remember and you did not remember. You had to go on a browsing parade until you found this. Then called a coach inept for not doing it.

You were wrong. Accept and move on.


Wrong about the possibility of changing a player during half time or before second half commenced? grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:42am On Jan 26, 2022
forgiveness:


You said you can't remember........but after I presented you with facts, you still don't deem it fit to stop arguing against unnecessary.

Mr man, did you see players being changed in the first half and before second half commenced? grin

or do you want me to show you more even from your press master Guardiola? grin

I am interested. Show me.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:43am On Jan 26, 2022
Barryseal:

Enyeama had world cup experience before winning the caf champions league with Enyimba. Enyimba won the champions league in 2003 /2004. Enyeama was Nigerian's number 2 in 2002 n kept against England.

The solution to the GK crisis is the npfl, that's where you get them raw and have the national team goalkeeper coach earn his money by developing them. Uzoho and Okoye have very low celine and very limited raw skillset. Both of these guys won't start for midtable Npfl clubs like Lobi Stars and Dakkada let alone Kano Pillars, Rangers and Rivers utd. Ask any league observer.
I simply do not agree with you that the solution is the NPFL. The solution is in finding a quality GK whether in the NPFL or foreign league. The solution is not tied to a league. Assuming we find a quality GK from a university sports club or foreign league, what would you do since you insist that the solution is in the NPFL, you would reject him?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Barryseal: 12:44am On Jan 26, 2022
Mujtahida:

I simply do not agree with you that the solution is the NPFL. The solution is in finding a quality GK whether in the NPFL or foreign league. The solution is not tied to a league. Assuming we find a quality GK from a university sports club or foreign league, what would you do since you insist that the solution is in the NPFL, you would reject him?

We don't have many goalkeepers outside Nigeria. The sample size is small compared to the npfl where you have about 40 goalkeepers ie 2 in each club.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:44am On Jan 26, 2022
forgiveness:



Wrong about the possibility of changing a player during half time or before second half commenced? grin

Wrong how? Who said it is not possible. My point was clearly, it is irregular and uncommon.

It was an absurd suggestion from you and then to try to make it look like a normal tactical move. You said the coach was tactically inept for not doing it.

I am telling you it is very rare. You have seen it is.

Learn and move on.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:46am On Jan 26, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


What facts did you present? A friendly match and a game in 2015 where from what I saw, Oliseh was angry with how Lukman was playing and took him off.

Was that the context of what the discussion was about?

The discussion was tactical changes. Unless you do not know what a tactical change is.

You criticised the coach unfairly. That is the truth and you can now see you are totally wrong expecting the coach to make changes in the first half with respect to tactics when the game was level and fairly balanced.

I repeat, your idea was wrong. You have browsed and seen you were making a tactically wrong suggestion.

Finito.

Do you want me to show you more? grin

Perhaps, you were lying all along you can't remember when a player got sub in first half or before second half. Chaiiii! you can lie yiooooooo! grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:47am On Jan 26, 2022
Barryseal:

We don't have many goalkeepers outside Nigeria. The sample size is small compared to the npfl where you have about 40 goalkeepers ie 2 in each club.
Does not mean it cannot be found outside the league. For me, it can be in or outside the league.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:47am On Jan 26, 2022
Mujtahida:

I simply do not agree with you that the solution is the NPFL. The solution is in finding a quality GK whether in the NPFL or foreign league. The solution is not tied to a league. Assuming we find a quality GK from a university sports club or foreign league, what would you do since you insist that the solution is in the NPFL, you would reject him?


I believe most of the quality keepers in Europe are already exposed and we do not have them.

So, the best chance of finding hidden gems is at home. The local leagues here.

However, the process is futile without a keeper coach that can spot and train the gems if found.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:48am On Jan 26, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


Wrong how? Who said it is not possible. My point was clearly, it is irregular and uncommon.

It was an absurd suggestion from you and then to try to make it look like a normal tactical move. You said the coach was tactically inept for not doing it.

I am telling you it is very rare. You have seen it is.

Learn and move on.

Who said "since, I started watching ball, I can't remember.......Habamana! you know wetin you talk na. Why you con dey lie like this? Habamana! Habamana! grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:49am On Jan 26, 2022
forgiveness:


Do you want me to show you more? grin

Perhaps, you were lying all along you can't remember when a player got sub in first half or before second half. Chaiiii! you can lie yiooooooo! grin

I can not remember. Even Manchester City where the game is level and we make change without injury. I can't remember. Even this Haruna own, I had to browse why and it was clearly not a tactical reason.

So far, your point is still wrong.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:54am On Jan 26, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


I can not remember. Even Manchester City where the game is level and we make change without injury. I can't remember. Even this Haruna own, I had to browse why and it was clearly not a tactical reason.

So far, your point is still wrong.


You browse to know the reason but I can still remember the reason. If not, how can I remember something of 7 years ago?.

Mr! did the browsing tell you it was not not tactical reason? show me. I want to show you something. grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Barryseal: 12:56am On Jan 26, 2022
Mujtahida:

Does not mean it cannot be found outside the league. For me, it can be in or outside the league.
You stand better chance finding one atleast one decent goalkeeper in this league. We are talking 40 goalkeepers here at least.

Remember Vanzekin? He wasn't even a top keeper in the npfl but he was constantly decent for Siasia teams at U20 and Olympics. But you can't mention great keepers at home and call Vanzekin that shows the depth of talent we have back home if one is interested in looking.

The current goalkeeper crisis we have is due to Emmanuel Daniel's ill adviced journey to South Africa. The guy should have been better placed now to be number 1 for Nigeria if he stayed back home after the Rio Olympics. He traveled to South Africa and lost 2 years of his development. The reason he made that journey was out of pressure to play abroad after winning the Nigerian league with Rangers and being very good in Rio.

Bros, what I can tell you is that we lack good strikers in the npfl but you see goalkeepers? Almost every team have a solid guy between the sticks. I'm talking of natural talented keepers not the Uzohos and Okoyes.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:01am On Jan 26, 2022
forgiveness:



You browse to know the reason but I can still remember the reason. If not, how can I remember something of 7 years ago?.

Mr! did the browsing tell you it was not not tactical reason? show me. I want to show you something. grin

Tah, you are not being truthful. If you remembered, you would not have put it. Oliseh removed Lukman for not playing well. That is not a tactical reason.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:05am On Jan 26, 2022
forgiveness:


Who said "since, I started watching ball, I can't remember.......Habamana! you know wetin you talk na. Why you con dey lie like this? Habamana! Habamana! grin

Which one is lie again? Since I started watching football, with hundreds of games watched, I can not tell you one game that was level in first half and the coach made a tactical change.

I can not. That is a fact.

Sorry, your criticism of Eguavoen was wrong.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 1:07am On Jan 26, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


Which one is lie again? Since I started watching football, with hundreds of games watched, I can not tell you one game that was level in first half and the coach made a tactical change.

I can not. That is a fact.

Sorry, your criticism of Eguavoen was wrong.

Can you now tell of one game? grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:09am On Jan 26, 2022
forgiveness:


Can you now tell of one game? grin

I can not. Lukman's change was not tactical.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 1:09am On Jan 26, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


Tah, you are not being truthful. If you remembered, you would not have put it. Oliseh removed Lukman for not playing well. That is not a tactical reason.

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Yu said you had to browse to find out the reason Oliseh took Lukman out. Did you read he didn't change Lukman for tactical reason? grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 1:10am On Jan 26, 2022
Mujtahida:

Your argument is specious. On the surface it sounds reasonable but once a person probes deep it is empty. Eguavoen did not brag. He made a factual statement. You read it and ran to town with it saying he boasted.

And on the 7th day, God rested. Why? Because in six days he made effort.

A man said he had sleepless night to make a decision. You said that is why he failed. If something requires deep thinking and painstaking effort for Mr A and for you, you it requires no effort does that automatically give you basis to presume that Mr A is a failure?

Some women do three days in the labor room before giving birth, while another woman, in two hours she's given birth. And then the one who used 3 days, comes to church and testifies that she was 3 days in the labor room before she gave birth. Then one woman in the congregation would say, 'I see patterns, you are bragging, I see that your child will fail'. Then if anything happens to the child, the woman would jump up and say, 'I said it, I knew this child would turn out wrong from the moment his mother was bragging that she labored for three days to birth him.'

If the absurdity in the above scenario is lost on you, then I can't help you.
Make I end this exchange here abeg.

Please to clear some misconception about the scriptures. No creation activity took place in the night. Creation was done in the morning and in the evening. God rested not because of exhaustion but because he has completed his work.

I am not against working at night, but please let it not be a sleepless night. To imply a sleepless night indicated that the matter was somehow puzzling to his mind. His mind kept him awake and gave him away to sleeplessness. His mind was restless and confused. This is a deficiency, and should not be discussed in the public.

As a member of the technical committee, it shouldn't be so difficult for him. He should have a first hand knowledge of the players.

Who and who are even in the list of the 28 man squad, that it was so much a puzzle that his mind couldn't leave him alone. I wish he could come out in the public to say what fabyom has made of the statement.

I said it wasn't good and we have seen it
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:10am On Jan 26, 2022
forgiveness:

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Yu said you had to browse to find out the reason Oliseh took Lukman out. Did you read he didn't change Lukman for tactical reason? grin

I clearly read that he was not playing well. That is not a tactical reason.

Just agree you do not know and move on.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:13am On Jan 26, 2022
Meliforme:


Please to clear some misconception about the scriptures. No creation activity took place in the night. Creation was done in the morning and in the evening. God rested not because of exhaustion but because he has completed his work.

I am not against working at night, but please let it not be a sleepless night. To imply a sleepless night indicated that the matter was somehow puzzling to his mind. His mind kept him awake and gave him away to sleeplessness. His mind was restless and confused. This is a deficiency, and should not be discussed in the public.

As a member of the technical committee, it shouldn't be so difficult for him. He should have a first hand knowledge of the players.

Who and who are even in the list of the 28 man squad, that it was so much a puzzle that his mind couldn't leave him alone. I wish he could come out in the public to say what fabyom has made of the statement.

I said it wasn't good and we have seen it


I have mentioned to you that there was no time, so it will require extra work. Not that it was puzzling.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 1:23am On Jan 26, 2022
Mujtahida:

Your argument is specious. On the surface it sounds reasonable but once a person probes deep it is empty. Eguavoen did not brag. He made a factual statement. You read it and ran to town with it saying he boasted.

And on the 7th day, God rested. Why? Because in six days he made effort.

A man said he had sleepless night to make a decision. You said that is why he failed. If something requires deep thinking and painstaking effort for Mr A and for you, you it requires no effort does that automatically give you basis to presume that Mr A is a failure?

Some women do three days in the labor room before giving birth, while another woman, in two hours she's given birth. And then the one who used 3 days, comes to church and testifies that she was 3 days in the labor room before she gave birth. Then one woman in the congregation would say, 'I see patterns, you are bragging, I see that your child will fail'. Then if anything happens to the child, the woman would jump up and say, 'I said it, I knew this child would turn out wrong from the moment his mother was bragging that she labored for three days to birth him.'

If the absurdity in the above scenario is lost on you, then I can't help you.
Make I end this exchange here abeg.

We are talking about a selection process. you are bringing in labour scenario. This is an unfair comparison.

Again, Eguavoen was not sharing a testimony. He wasn't speaking of God's deliverance.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 1:25am On Jan 26, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


I have mentioned to you that there was no time, so it will require extra work. Not that it was puzzling.

Which extra work, so extraneous as to feed him sleeplessness?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 1:29am On Jan 26, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


I clearly read that he was not playing well. That is not a tactical reason.

Just agree you do not know and move on.

Show me where you read it from or it’s another lie from you. grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:31am On Jan 26, 2022
Meliforme:


Which extra work, so extraneous as to feed him sleeplessness?

I broke this down before. Selection of squad members is not just choosing. It also requires you studying tactics of group opponents, likely opponents.

It takes researching the adequate setup for the team and variations to it.

Then working out ideal players that will work with it.

Also research likely players missed that could help the team.

The time was too short for all this but the coach assured his team will be ready.

That showed strength, not weakness.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:33am On Jan 26, 2022

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 2:21am On Jan 26, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


I broke this down before. Selection of squad members is not just choosing. It also requires you studying tactics of group opponents, likely opponents.

It takes researching the adequate setup for the team and variations to it.

Then working out ideal players that will work with it.

Also research likely players missed that could help the team.

The time was too short for all this but the coach assured his team will be ready.

That showed strength, not weakness.

At your first paragraph, i remember clearly that you once said that Eguavoen is dwelling much on the opponents rather than coming up with his own strategy.

Eguavoen finally came up with a game plan that has Ekong to continue in his routine duties of looping the ball from defense to attack. A game plan that has our inverted wingers playing as midfielders, sending crosses to Texas on a different mission. We adopted the same strategy and personnel so much that our opponents can read us like the back of their hands.

All these for the painstaking research done. The new coach syndrome just made the difference, aside that, our wayward crosses and long balls intensified. Aribo laboured throughout the first half against Tunisia with zero impact, even for the tackles and interceptions he was known for the Tunisians couldn't let him. Please rewatch that first half to prove me wrong.

Yes it took him sleepless nights to get an ouster at the knockout stage. There was nothing eye catching about the way we played. Individual brilliance covered up a lot for us.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 2:28am On Jan 26, 2022
Please be informed that i am not in any way mocking another man's efforts. It was just the sleepless night of a statement that got me suspicious. I believe it was not necessary for him to say such.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tglobal(m): 4:37am On Jan 26, 2022
Meliforme:

I am not against working at night, but please let it not be a sleepless night. To imply a sleepless night indicated that the matter was somehow puzzling to his mind. His mind kept him awake and gave him away to sleeplessness. His mind was restless and confused. This is a deficiency, and should not be discussed in the public.

As a member of the technical committee, it shouldn't be so difficult for him. He should have a first hand knowledge of the players.

I said it wasn't good and we have seen it


I respect that your view on Eguavoen's statement that he had "sleepless nights" in the days leading up to his decision on the final 28 is borne out of your own life experiences and what you have been exposed to. However, the assertion that this is a deficiency on his part clearly suggests to me that those experiences of yours are somewhat limited

I once had a career as a management consultant in one of the elite consulting firms where you can't get staffed on client engagements that involve direct interactions with the C-suite executives of leading organizations (think S&P 100, FTSE, Fortune etc), unless you can demonstrate the ability to think about the challenges "That Keep CEOs Up at Night". There are literally books written with this title and many an MBA student does their best to show recruiters for management roles in these firms that they are able to think about and help answer these questions.

And yes, many of these revered business leaders of our time literally have issues "keeping them up at night" and "Burn the midnight oil" - another phrase which suggests intense brainstorming - before making substantial decisions that impact the future of the organizations they lead. There is a reason why leaders in economically advanced countries age rapidly while in office. It is not from conducting any research, preparing their speeches or worrying about what to eat or wear -they have staff who do that. They "burn the midnight candle" while evaluating the options before them and the implications of the decisions to be made. Hence, George Bush referred to his role as the "Decider-In-Chief"



As a member of the technical committee, it shouldn't be so difficult for him. He should have a first hand knowledge of the players.


Having first hand knowledge of certain players to be dropped could be a legitimate contributor to his problem. It is actually a good problem to have.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kellycute(m): 5:28am On Jan 26, 2022
zuchyblink:
kick and follow football lasted for 5 years plus while ghen ghen generation lasted for 2 weeks and tiri days. This life is not by noise making.
it lasted that long because people like you were sharing the salary with rohrbish. E dey pain you as you nor go see money share with Rohrbish grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by drDoom3(m): 6:03am On Jan 26, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


Wrong how? Who said it is not possible. My point was clearly, it is irregular and uncommon.

It was an absurd suggestion from you and then to try to make it look like a normal tactical move. You said the coach was tactically inept for not doing it.

I am telling you it is very rare. You have seen it is.

Learn and move on.

I have been watching this argument go on and on.

The fact is simple. Eguavoen came up against a team that showed clearly from the early seconds of the game that they knew, understood, practiced, and could counter the game plan he would implement. He didn't need to have wholesale changes in the squad, he didn't even need a single substitution. All he needed was a tactical tweak that would catch the Tunisians off guard. Any of these tweaks may have worked:

1.) Have fullbacks overlap, Ndidi sits along with Ekong and Omeruo for counters while everyone else bombs forward. Our fullbacks are fast enough to repel dangerous counters as long as Ndidi and co. can close up space (which they failed to do for the goal).

2.) Have Simon and Chuks switch wings for 5 - 10 mins, see how the Tunisians react.

3.) Have Nacho drop deep to collect balls, bring Aribo closer to him to make one-twos instead of sending long balls to the wings.

One or a combination of any of the above may have disoriented the Tunisians enough to cause problems and maybe score.

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