TAO11:
Read a book today.

I know the word “book” scares the souls out of you.

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/23#109776624

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Iya Basirat so you have the audacity from your Oshogbo jungle to challenge the Erelu and Bajulaiye of Lagos

christistruth01:


Go and Check it out

Ologun Kutere you said they descended from is an undisputed Ijesha man

So Oba Oyekan is an Ijesha man while the Prince says he is Benin in origin
What manner of people are you lot?

christistruth01:
Yoruba Oba's love to fight over hierarchy like little Children fight over Sweets and Chocolates

Lol.

KingOKON:
[s]Iya Basirat so you have the audacity from your Oshogbo jungle to challenge the Erelu and Bajulaiye of Lagos[/s]

Read a book today.

I know the word “book” scares the soul out of you.

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/23#109776624

TAO11:
Read a book today.

I know the word “book” scares the souls out of you.

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/23#109776624

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See person wey de read book and claims to be freeborn, they have the right to chased out their chicken Oba but don't have right to say who they are.

Only the chicken of an Oba can decide that, shey no be Oshogbo weed talk be that?

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/amp/

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/10/son-of-the-late-oba-oyekan-tackles-igbos-others/amp/

KingOKON:
[s]See person wey de read book and claims to be freeborn, they have the right to chased out their chicken Oba but don't have right to say who they are.

Only the chicken of an Oba can decide that, shey no be Oshogbo weed talk be that?

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/amp/

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/10/son-of-the-late-oba-oyekan-tackles-igbos-others/amp/[/s]

This one nor know left from right.

Read a book, don’t be scared.

But see the refutation links below first.

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109743059

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109744722

TAO11:
This one nor know left from right.

Read a book, don’t be scared.

But see the refutation links below first.

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109743059

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109744722

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Refutation that is imposed on freeborns and youth who chased him out of the palace
By the way, who are you to the Erelu, Bajulaiye and the youths?
Do they know who is Iya Basirat

KingOKON:
[s]Refutation that is imposed on freeborns and youth who chased him out of the palace
By the way, who are you to the Erelu, Bajulaiye and the youths?
Do they know who is Iya Basirat[/s]

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109743059

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109744722

TAO11:
This one nor know left from right.

Read a book, don’t be scared.

But see the refutation links below first.

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109743059

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109744722

TAO11:


https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109743059

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109744722

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Listen again to this again, very very sweet
Bajulaiye is a unique and significant chieftaincy title in Benin Kingdom (Edo State), where we originate from. Over there in Benin, they will tell you ‘Obazuaye’. Bajulaiye is a very important chieftaincy title in Benin Kingdom and Lagos.......

Straight from the horses mouth, while you Iya Basirat that specializes in Oshogbo weed and paraga de pariwo oshi

KingOKON:
[s]Listen again to this again, very very sweet
Bajulaiye is a unique and significant chieftaincy title in Benin Kingdom (Edo State), where we originate from. Over there in Benin, they will tell you ‘Obazuaye’. Bajulaiye is a very important chieftaincy title in Benin Kingdom and Lagos.......

Straight from the horses mouth, while you Iya Basirat that specializes in Oshogbo weed and paraga de pariwo oshi[/s]

KingOKON:
Assistant werey ti de, bawo ni

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109743059

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109744722

nisai:

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Assistant werey ti de, bawo ni

TAO11:


https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109743059

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109744722

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https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/amp/

KingOKON:
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Assistant werey ti de, bawo ni

Tao11, this your dull student don dey get memory oo. He neva forget me, him bully for class sha.

So how studies, Okon? Hope Tao is not too hard on u?
I know She can be very skillful with KOBOKO.

nisai:
Tao11, this your dull student don dey get memory oo. He neva forget me, him bully for class sha.

So how studies, Okon? Hope Tao is not too hard on u?
I know She can be very skillful with KOBOKO.

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Person wey de kolo every passing year
na only to de teach nonsense and rubbish

KingOKON:
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Person wey de kolo every passing year
na only to de teach nonsense and rubbish

If u want I can help u beg her to allow u propagagate ur Bini tales in peace.

TAO11:
I get what you tried to say, but the analogies are quite different.

Ife & Benin:
The 1st crowned Benin ọba is paternally descended from Ife, and maternally from Benin.

Benin & Lagos:
The 1st crowned Eko ọba is paternally descended from Lagos (Isheri-Olofin), and maternally from Benin.

Cheers.

And Oduduwa is from Edo your first ruler. I watch a Yoruba movie how Oduduwa was teaching them how to sew cloths because clothes was alien to them then they normally go naked that time until the well govern Benin came to colonized you all.

During your first ruler Oduduwa Edo/Ado or Idu have already be well governed by 30 Ogiso.

Ask your self did Oromyian came forcefully to rule benin no Benin chiefs pleaded with him to come.

How can he rule the mighty Edo a kingdom that have be in existence 1000s of year long before Yoruba have the first ruler.

Oromyan couldn’t rule Benin as it too powerful for him to rule with the fear to be victims of same thing that make his father Oduduwa was unable to rule the mighty kingdom.

Oduduwa is son of the last Ogiso (the ruler of the sky). I guess this was the reason he told you people he came from the sky and you people literally think he mean he fell from the sky lol

That is the Benin ife connection.

After many years the Benin being the first established kingdom they aim was to explore just as European did by coming to Africa to
Colonized them, Benin already started that long ago.

Benin went west they colonized akure install their ruler and make them pay tribute to Benin kingdom they went forward to all Ondo all Ekiti and after the finish establishing this place they went further to Lagos and install their first ruler.


And this one here is saying trash.



You keep lying to yourself #Tao11

This an eyewitness European
1584 map of Africa
Ortelius, Abraham,1527-1598.


In this map you can see how all south south was know as Benin the green dote is where lagose is today all of them was known as Benin.

Lagose to middle bet to Itshekiri to ado Ekiti all was known as Benin by European. And this one bor yesterday want to come change history here.

Defend this map here or let me say twist the map anyway I still have more map for you

nisai:
Tao11, this your dull student don dey get memory oo. He neva forget me, him bully for class sha.

So how studies, Okon? Hope Tao is not too hard on u?
I know She can be very skillful with KOBOKO.

He collapses upon hearing the word “book”.

His skull remains as thick as expected.

But I’m drilling it hard, skillfully.

TAO11:

He collapses upon hearing the word “book”.

His skull remains as thick as expected.

But I’m drilling it hard, skillfully.

Of course Skillfully so that it won't crack and leak away his brain completely.

The recent Benin lie that Oduduwa is son of a certain Ogiso has been laughed at and debunked world-wide by historians of African history.

It has been rightly categorized as a deliberately false account invented recently by certain amateurs who suffered from a strong grip of inferiority complex.

The older traditions of Benin collected since the 1800s also debunk this recent amateur invention.

Jameseddi1:
[s]And Oduduwa is from Edo your first ruler. I watch a Yoruba movie how Oduduwa was teaching them how to sew cloths because clothes was alien to them then they normally go naked that time until the well govern Benin came to colonized you all.

During your first ruler Oduduwa Edo/Ado or Idu have already be well governed by 30 Ogiso.

Ask your self did Oromyian came forcefully to rule benin no Benin chiefs pleaded with him to come.

How can he rule the mighty Edo a kingdom that have be in existence 1000s of year long before Yoruba have the first ruler.

Oromyan couldn’t rule Benin as it too powerful for him to rule with the fear to be victims of same thing that make his father Oduduwa was unable to rule the mighty kingdom.

Oduduwa is son of the last Ogiso (the ruler of the sky). I guess this was the reason he told you people he came from the sky and you people literally think he mean he fell from the sky lol

That is the Benin ife connection.

After many years the Benin being the first established kingdom they aim was to explore just as European did by coming to Africa to
Colonized them, Benin already started that long ago.

Benin went west they colonized akure install their ruler and make them pay tribute to Benin kingdom they went forward to all Ondo all Ekiti and after the finish establishing this place they went further to Lagos and install their first ruler.

And this one here is saying trash.[/s]

Oduduwa is from Oke-Ọra — an LSA hilly settlement around Ile-Ife in the Iloromu axis.

Before Oduduwa’s reign, Ife has had about 97 kings.

From Oduduwa’s time, chiefs & kings were dispersed to other lands — including some non-Yorùbá lands.

The Ogisos whom you talked about didn’t feature at Benin until when Oduduwa sent the first one there.

The third Ogiso at Benin became the last Ogiso from the Ife Yorùbá line.

He returned to Ife when it was quite clear that Benin have now been brushed up enough to continue.

The Ogiso chiefdom later collapse. The Bini elders now sent to Ife again for a capable ruler.

One of the youngest grandons of Oduduwa was sent to Benin for the task of founding a more permanent rulership for the backward natives of Benin.

He was soon disgusted by their backwardness that he left with disgust — but after having impregnated one of their daughters.

He gave a standing order that the unborn child should be made king when he becomes of age.

He proceeded to become king at Oyo while his child was unborn/toddler.

The child was later installed as Omonoba — meaning king’s child — which becomes the traditional official title of Benin kings.

No wonder why Omonoba Eweka-2 ranked Ooni 1st before Alaafin, then before himself (Eweka-2).

Benin later grew centuries later and managed to bring neighboring Edoid towns under its leadership.

It had relationship with some Ondo/Ekiti town/village but never ruled over them according to these places.

At Lagos (Eko precisely), the tradition is clear that the progenitor of the dynasty is a Yorùbá who was helped by a Benin king, and showed appreciation as agreed.

No EUrOpEaN eyewitness who visited Benin called it an empire. None.

Cheers.

Cc: christistruth01, SirNewtonNG, nisai.

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You Benin dullards keep regurgitating the very thing over which you’ve been disgraced before.

Hoping we would all have forgotten or what exactly?

The fact that the name of a place is written on a map does not mean the place is an an empire. You must be specially stupid to even think like that.

By your dullard logic, you may want to argue that the place called Guinea was once an empire sometime in the past going by the map below in my attachment.

Or that Guinean conquered, owned, & ruled your own Benin kingdom in the past.

Now, that’s exactly how stupid you sound.

KingOKON:
[s]https://www.van!guardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/amp/[/s]

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109743059

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109744722

TAO11:
The recent Benin lie that Oduduwa is son of a certain Ogiso has been laughed at and debunked world-wide by historians of African history.

It has been rightly categorized as a deliberately false account invented recently by certain amateurs who suffered from a strong grip of inferiority complex.

The older traditions of Benin collected since the 1800s also debunk this recent amateur invention.


Oduduwa is from Oke-Ọra — an LSA hilly settlement around Ile-Ife.

Before Oduduwa’s reign, Ife has had about 97 kings.

From Oduduwa’s time, chiefs $ kings were dispersed to other lands — including some non-Yorùbá lands.

The Ogisos whom you talked about didn’t feature at Benin until when Oduduwa sent the first one there.

The third Ogisos became the last Ogisos from the Ife Yorùbá line.

He returned to Ife when it was quite clear that Benin have now been brushed up enough to continue.

The Ogiso chiefdom later collapse. The Bini elders now sent to Ife again for a capable ruler.

One of the youngest grandons of Oduduwa was sent to Benin for the task of founding a more permanent rulership for the backward natives of Benin.

He was soon disgusted by their backwardness that he left with disgust — but after having impregnated one of their daughters.

He gave a standing order that the unborn child should be made king when he becomes of age.

He proceeded to become king at Oyo while his child was unborn/toddler.

The child was later installed as Omonoba — meaning king’s child — which becomes the traditional official title of Benin kings.

No wonder why Omonoba Eweka-2 ranked Ooni 1st before Alaafin, then before himself (Eweka-2).

Benin later grew centuries later and managed to bring neighboring Edoid towns under its leadership.

It had relationship with some Ondo/Ekiti town/village but never ruled over them according to these places.

At Lagos (Eko precisely), the tradition is clear that the progenitor of the dynasty is a Yorùbá who was helped by a Benin king, and showed appreciation as agreed.

No EUrOpEaN eyewitness who visited Benin called it an empire. None.

Cheers.

Cc: christistruth01, SirNewtonNG, nisai.

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You Benin dullards keep regurgitating the very thing over which you’ve been disgraced before.

Hoping we would all have forgotten or what exactly?

The fact that the name of a place is written on a map does not mean the place is an an empire. You must be specially stupid to even think like that.

By your dullard logic, you may want to argue that the place called Guinea was once an empire sometime in the past going by the map below in my attachment.

Or that Guinean conquered, owned, & ruled your own Benin kingdom in the past.

Now, that’s exactly how stupid you sound.

We are not talking about empire here madam.

About the Lagos even the map you brought contradict you.

They have been telling you Benin lagos was under Benin rule you keep denying and bringing story of moonlight.

The map say Great Benin/lagos

KingOKON:
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I am quoting the son of Oba Oyekan you are running ya mouth, do you also smoke weed like Iya Basirat

Why are you not quoting the earliest accounts. I can also quote people from benin talking about their ancestry from ife or the ogiawmen talking about how they truly own benin and how the etiokphagha treaty has been abandoned.

You know what let's leave that aside, i know you are a troll but i wont get tired to dismiss your foolishness. We've established time and time before that the obas of lagos are matrinially descended from the oba of bini who like i love to remind you is a YORUBA MAN from IFE as their progenitor ADO was born to a bini princess and raised in ADO hence the name. We've also established the strong ties the benin oba had with ashipa and described the influence in 3 categories, a political one through remittances of thanksgiving and a marital one.

Or don't you read and know how to comprehend. You are repeating and arguing over what has been established but doing that because you are a coward and because you want to manipulate that to mean your poor ancstrs own lagos when you are no where even close to the IFE-bini aristocrars who rule you and have for over a 1000 years. So stop with the red herring and strawman, it is very well documented that oba ADOS daughter erelu kuti married alagba an ijesha man who gave birth to Ologun Kuture, a palace was also built for him in Lagos Island. It still exists you lifeless troll.

And to conclude if truly he was a patrilineal son:that is ado or ashipa (I'm not even sure what your argument is anymore) why on earth will a thanksgiving remittance have been established right from the beginning to his own father?? How stupid is this. This shows you that ashipa the father had an alliance and agreement with the IFE-BENIN oba. There's a reason why when you online bini trolls and insecure idiots who aren't satisfied with 2by2, when you see a word you can't break down which is yoruba your explanation is that it's a corruption when it has meaning in the Yoruba Language. It's Pathetic really

TAO11 Christtruth00

Rolandosadolor:


We are not talking about empire here madam.

About the Lagos even the map you brought contradict you.

They have been telling you Benin lagos was under Benin rule you keep denying and bringing story of moonlight.

The map say Great Benin/lagos

Illiterate Theres a difference between River lagos and lagos. That river lagos is what we know today as river ogun. Lagos was literally part of the slave coast.

This comfirms to me that you bini lntcs never argue logically. All you know is literally bini is great which nobody has denied but you want to make sure you own the whole of southern nigeria and to exaggerate the greatness because you lot in bini have nothing going on in your life's or you feel that inferior in Nigeria??

Because i don't understand how reasonable humans go into an argument with a preconcluded premise and argue through that lenses and in the process making terrible blunders and incoherent logical arguments. It's laughable

Jameseddi1:


And Oduduwa is from Edo your first ruler. I watch a Yoruba movie how Oduduwa was teaching them how to sew cloths because clothes was alien to them then they normally go naked that time until the well govern Benin came to colonized you all.

During your first ruler Oduduwa Edo/Ado or Idu have already be well governed by 30 Ogiso.

Ask your self did Oromyian came forcefully to rule benin no Benin chiefs pleaded with him to come.

How can he rule the mighty Edo a kingdom that have be in existence 1000s of year long before Yoruba have the first ruler.

Oromyan couldn’t rule Benin as it too powerful for him to rule with the fear to be victims of same thing that make his father Oduduwa was unable to rule the mighty kingdom.

Oduduwa is son of the last Ogiso (the ruler of the sky). I guess this was the reason he told you people he came from the sky and you people literally think he mean he fell from the sky lol

That is the Benin ife connection.

After many years the Benin being the first established kingdom they aim was to explore just as European did by coming to Africa to
Colonized them, Benin already started that long ago.

Benin went west they colonized akure install their ruler and make them pay tribute to Benin kingdom they went forward to all Ondo all Ekiti and after the finish establishing this place they went further to Lagos and install their first ruler.


And this one here is saying trash.



You keep lying to yourself #Tao11

This an eyewitness European
1584 map of Africa
Ortelius, Abraham,1527-1598.


In this map you can see how all south south was know as Benin the green dote is where lagose is today all of them was known as Benin.

Lagose to middle bet to Itshekiri to ado Ekiti all was known as Benin by European. And this one bor yesterday want to come change history here.

Defend this map here or let me say twist the map anyway I still have more map for you

Its confirmed you are a troll. Sometimes i wonder why people like me and TAO11 wastes our time with illiterates but alas we are doing it for the reasonable viewers because i don't understand how you think what you say about oduduwa is true because you say it. You watched what documentary?? Don't you know how to give references in a debate. I can also type nonsense, it doesn't make it true. Why can't you be like TAO11. You conquered the whole of southern nigeria and the world yet no evidence?? TAO11 please put this idiot in his place. It seems he's not gregyboy maybe a new person or maybe greggyboy has decided to take on a new personal to troll. All bini yahoo boys can do now is troll o , Which yeye documentary the thing dey really pain you as I'm telling you how yoruba your benin monarchs were and are I also thought the ogisos fell from the sky, if you don't know earliest accounts from bini say the ogisos too were from ife. Ogisos ruled edo for 1000 years before oduduwa??.. Can you give me proof , again oduduwa was defied as an heavenly being after his death because he was a great person. Heavenly being there has nothing to do with the physical sky you illiterate. And in the ifa corpus, it's on record that he grew up in oke-ora has TAO11 has schooled you. That terrible argument where you try to use a strawman of because yoruba people say sky or in some other cases some of your brothers will use east and then conclude that its bini like for real( you lot should be consistent on which strategy to use) as both are dumb. If you want to use ife sources at least use it correctly and understand what deificaction is and how it's different from the historical narrative gotten from the same ifa historical corpus. East of ife doesn't automatically mean bini has the town where he came from was mentioned and the community has been discovered as very close to the main ile-ife bowl. Also for the the umpteenth time bring some evidences

Now, how come oduduwa has no meaning in local bini language but in yoruba language, how come there's no trace of local or core bini in ife but in bini 2by2 we see yoruba spirituality, we see yoruba names and we do have early accounts plus historical events like the yoruba council of chiefs meeting in 1937 establishing oduduwa the yoruba man as progenitor of all YORUBA KINGS.

Up till now, you haven't taken up my challenge to break down some common names which are so called bini in your local bini dialect? The influence of oranmiyan who came to establish his ife line in bini was so strong that we see all this evidences even in names and titles you are proud of, but you are here telling me a cock and bull story of some ekaladerhan who before 1968 died in ughatan but after 1968 magically became oduduwa. Like use your own brain, does that make any sense. Your greatest king Ewuare Ogidigan was named as prince ogun before. His regnal name and popular appellation are all yoruba. Do you know the meaning of o-gi-di-gan in bini?? I bet not. It means something that is very great or hard. what of Ewu-a-re it means trouble has ceased. You lot preserved the meanings but this words when broken down have no meaning in local bini dialect but guess what, it has in yoruba language.

KingOKON:
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Person wey de kolo every passing year
na only to de teach nonsense and rubbish

Something isn't rubbish because your battered ego and sentiments can't take it. It not rubbish because it disproves fables you have been told under the moonlight. It's not rubbish because it doesn't allow you claim other peoples territory of which you have zero influence in. Sorry. It's rubbish if a counter argument with facts and evidence can be given.

You have given none. In fact I'm suprised nisai is egging you on. The conclusions of this people was that IFE-BENIN relationship was made up and not real so I'm wondering why are you are going back to oduduwa it's really strange . TAO11 has brought evidences from your own side of the earliest accounts, even sometimes bringing in your dictionary and eye witness reports from the 2by2 kingdom to disprove many lies. You literally most of the times bring nothing. Even when you do, the evidence you bring ends up disproving you. It's embarrassing really. I mean the YouTube video your brother was throwing around clearly states that the so called bini descendants in lagos came from ife via bini. Infact in the same way video, it was clearly stated that ashipa was an isheri man. So you see how foolish you people can be.

All you can do now is troll a Woman who keeps educating you. We will keep educating your dum!b bini asses.

KingOKON:
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Iya Basirat so you have the audacity from your Oshogbo jungle to challenge the Erelu and Bajulaiye of Lagos

Don't run away o. Explain bajulaiye and erelu in your local bini dialect whole doing that explain ologun kutere, also explain olori ogun this are all supposedly bini people. Explain their names in bini dialect and don't tell me they got yoruba names. This are names gotten from your own side of things whether in the past or in the present on your 2by2 blogs and story books and tell me what on earth did erelu say which proves any of your points( if you even have any because at the end of the day, bini illiterates argument always ends with a predetermined conclusion that bini is great or the greatest and you use all manner of pointless contradictory talking points and evidences to do that).

KingOKON:
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Iya Basirat so you have the audacity from your Oshogbo jungle to challenge the Erelu and Bajulaiye of Lagos

TAO11 come and see testimony o Your bini children are truly scammers and liars ma

SirNewtonNG:


TAO11 come and see testimony o Your bini children are truly scammers and liars ma

Do you mean you didn’t know that, that and their Sisters in Italy is what is keeping their Economy afloat