oswardic:
[s]Another nonsense...

Keep leaking your wound and dream on in your never and can never happen fantasy, see baby kingdom whose till date are never one as a Yoruba nation talking to pre-civilized people of their time... Mtchew!

Learn wisdom and in all ask for understanding. Trust me, your cry will continue till your death as your fantasy will continue staring disappointment in your face[/s]

TAO11:
[/s]
(1) According to the 1969 report of the archaeological survey of Ife by P. Ozanne:

Ife was 1st inhabited since some very distant antiquity and had many autonomous settlements by the fourth century BCE.

(2) King Oduduwa is from Oke-Ọra — one of the Late Stone Age hilly settlements surrounding the Ife bowl.

(2) Before Oduduwa’s reign in Ile-Ife, the city has had about 97 Ọbas (kings) from the provinces in Ife.

(3) From Oduduwa’s time, kings/chiefs were dispersed to other lands — including some non-Yorùbá lands.

(4) The Ogiso chiefdom of ‘Benin’ had not yet begun at the time, when Ife has already had about 97 Ọbas.

(5) The first Ogiso at ‘Benin’ was sent from Ife during the King Oduduwa’s era.

(6) The third Ogiso at ‘Benin’ was the last one sent from Ife, and he returned to Ife.

(7) The 3rd Ogiso returned back home to Ife when Ife became quite convinced that the native Binis have now been brushed up enough to continue by themselves.

(8 ) The Ogiso chiefdom later collapsed. The Bini elders now sent to Ife again for a capable ruler.

(9) One of Oduduwa’s youngest grandsons was sent to Benin for the task — a permanent rulership now.

(10) He was soon disgusted by their archaicness that he left in disgust.

(11) He, however, left a strict order that his baby from one of their daughters be made their king when he is of age — Ife courtiers to be sent to assist the govt.

(12) At this time, he was already king elsewhere — at a Yorùbá town, viz. Ọyọ-Ile.

(13) Later on, his child at Benin was installed as king of Benin, and was styled with the title “Ọmọnọba” which literally means: “King’s child”.

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PS: The European map attached below was created in the year 1513.

It depicts the phrase “Realm of Ọɣọnẹ” thus indicating the only relevant kingdom in the “Nigeria” region.

This is not explainable as mere acquaintance—as they (these Europeans) had no trade/any relations with this Ọɣọni’s kingdom a the time being far from the coast in the deeply forested interior.

The only valid explanation is, therefore, of a firsthand received information from the natives near the coast (i.e. Binis, Ijebus, et al.) who all admit to the seniority, superiority, precedence of this kingdom of the Ọɣọni [Ooni] at the time.

Cc: rhektor, SirNewtonNG, nisai, christistruth01

TAO11:

For the umpteenth time, type in English. I can not read Edo language or whatever language you’ve heaped up here.

Also, fight your inner demons alone with without the need to involve me.

I am NOT the Oranmiyan from Ile-Ife who captured ya people for his child till date.

Regards.

oswardic:
Who is this nuisance talking and writing junkie lies and senseless talks against people who owns their history and heritage... You mean Igodomigodo started having ogiso when Oduduwa, a true prince of Igodomigodo came to colonize and taught you guys civilization so you don't keep going around naked is when his birth place started having leadership, you are obviously a child with no working brain.

Do you think it is by writing as if you possess sense that makes you sensible... Who are the people listening to this nonsense kid writing nonsense everywhere... If any Benin guy continue keeping up with this lowlife woman, then they are obviously misplacing priority.

Ife had 97 kings lol, list their names! What happened during their reigns

Tell me why the white came around and never saw anything spectacular to talk about the Yoruba compared to the world recognition of the Benin Kingdom.

You initially claimed that all the Ogisos Igodomigodo had were tales and never happened even when names were listed and their deeds could be talked about and now, you're assenting to the fact that they now existed but your uncivilised Ife had 97 kings yet that kingdom knew nothing about civilization till Oduduwa came...

Your claim so far as been that Oduduwa was the one that made you guys relevant and therefore, made other people relevant because he was your eye opener... you are a learner!

Because you can read books and copy paste here makes you think you are knowledgeable? Knowledge that lack wisdom to argue wisely is that one knowledge?

I need the names of your 97 Ife Oba... Oh, sorry, Oba word was alien to the Yoruba kingdom until the Benin kingdom dominated your uncivilised tribe... please, when you're writing, tell me what your ruler was called before Oduduwa came around, I mean your 97 rulers.... don't forget Ooni was never a kingship title ... and don't forget to make proof of their existence from your so called Yellow Skinned written books since all your claim and proofs must be written by the yellow light skinned people before they can make sense as you believe no precolonized brown skin had wisdom and were uncivilised enough to know their own history except your slave master approves it... What a mental slavery in the 21st century.

If you can't respond not just with proof but with wisdom I will stop wasting my time with a brainless woman like you.

Ire o!

oswardic:
[s]Oh! I forgot you have issues comprehending what contradicts your thought box. And please, when trying to discredit people, make sure you don't make such mistakes, "with without" is mocking another... Pele o[/s]

SirNewtonNG:


The irony of it all is the ire o you put at the end a yoruba word. It seems you don't know it was ife who colonies the Bush people in bini, why do you think you have a lot of yoruba words in bini lingua mixed with your local bush language� all of you use omo and oba prefixes in your name with pride!, words you can't break down and words whose meaning have a different word in your local language.

Please TAO11 school this uneducated illiterate, give him a rundown. It's probably one of their burner accounts typing rubbish but we'll keep schooling them burner or real. Let them know how they were conquered by the ogisos from ife and finally by oranmiyan and his party from ife, whose yoruba descendants continue to rule them for almost a 1000, years, let him know with evidences and sources how the official language of 2by2 kingdoms palace, administration and trade was yoruba(lukumi). Let them know how the praise appellation of our son ruling them omo noba has yoruba praises that talk about him being a son of ife, let him know how the omonoba the ife yoruba king of edo usually praise the their ancestors at oyo and benin.

Infact he doesn't know how the many names of his kings which his people call meaningless has meaning in yoruba language ask him to break down ewuare he can't, ask him to break down ogidigan he can't and how it means ewuare the great, he can't do that. Ask him what their oba akenzua was doing at the 1937 yoruba council of chiefs meeting.

Ask him to give you sources of how he had ogisos before oduduwa, I'm sure he can't. It's just his wish that oduduwa is a son of igodimgodo and igodimgodo a colony of Oduduwas himself taken by his associates himself as sent by him had so many ogisos before oduduwa . A fantasy that's sadly a lie. TAO11 do your thing make this guy cry ma.

Bro a woman will shool you this time with some sources and evidence to send you back to 2by2

TAO11:
Unsolicited secretary, LMAO. Thanks but no thanks.

Must Binis always be in the service of Yorùbá people?

Are you Binis that colonized by Yorùbás that you feel the need to be my secretary??

Is the colonization that bad?? Did Oranmiyan from Ife finish the job that perfectly??

Wow!

oswardic:

(1) [s]Who is this nuisance talking and writing junkie lies and senseless talks against people who owns their history and heritage... You mean Igodomigodo started having ogiso when Oduduwa, a true prince of Igodomigodo came to colonize and taught you guys civilization so you don't keep going around naked is when his birth place started having leadership, you are obviously a child with no working brain.[/s]

(2) [s]Do you think it is by writing as if you possess sense that makes you sensible... Who are the people listening to this nonsense kid writing nonsense everywhere... If any Benin guy continue keeping up with this lowlife woman, then they are obviously misplacing priority.[/s]

(3) [s]Ife had 97 kings lol, list their names! What happened during their reigns[/s]

(4) [s]Tell me why the white came around and never saw anything spectacular to talk about the Yoruba compared to the world recognition of the Benin Kingdom.[/s]

(5) [s]You initially claimed that all the Ogisos Igodomigodo had were tales and never happened even when names were listed and their deeds could be talked about[/s]

(6) [s]and now, you're assenting to the fact that they now existed but your uncivilised Ife had 97 kings yet that kingdom knew nothing about civilization till Oduduwa came...

Your claim so far as been that Oduduwa was the one that made you guys relevant and therefore, made other people relevant because he was your eye opener... you are a learner![/s]

(7) [s]Because you can read books and copy paste here makes you think you are knowledgeable? Knowledge that lack wisdom to argue wisely is that one knowledge?

I need the names of your 97 Ife Oba... Oh, sorry, Oba word was alien to the Yoruba kingdom until the Benin kingdom dominated your uncivilised tribe... please, when you're writing, tell me what your ruler was called before Oduduwa came around, I mean your 97 rulers.... don't forget Ooni was never a kingship title ... and don't forget to make proof of their existence from your so called Yellow Skinned written books since all your claim and proofs must be written by the yellow light skinned people before they can make sense as you believe no precolonized brown skin had wisdom and were uncivilised enough to know their own history except your slave master approves it... What a mental slavery in the 21st century.

If you can't respond not just with proof but with wisdom I will stop wasting my time with a brainless woman like you.

Ire o![/s]

oswardic:
[s]Nah, my last comment to you, you deserve no response from me until you learn to write with wisdom and not just knowledge..[/s]

TAO11:
Nobody asked you to flood here with tears.

All we ask for is that you accept your father as your father. That’s not too much to ask for. Or is it?

oswardic:
[s]Lol, I understand, you want me to help you through your delusion, sorry I can't .. Where do you want to see Father figure, loser?
Benin kingdom any day any time is your Father, there's no comparison, even your Ooni knows... So sorry kiddie... I'm still waiting for your answers to my list of questions... Mtchew..[/s]

TAO11:
No you’re the delusional one who keeps vowing never to come back but keeps come back for more just like a b!tch.

Beating after beating. Flogging after flogging.

oswardic:
[s]Lol, go and work on your grammar before reverting.[/s]

TAO11:
No you’re the delusional one who keeps vowing never to come back but keeps come back for more just like a b!tch.

Beating after beating. Flogging after flogging.

oswardic:
[s]Go and watch the coronation of the present Oba of Benin, you will see it for yourself how it was said to your Ooni's face that your Oduduwa is our son lol, you're here forming keyboard champion [/s]

TAO11:

No, your Ọba immediately clarified by admitting that he (as a Bini king) dare not insist to his Yorùbá lords [i.e. Ooni, et al.] that what he (the Bini king) is saying is necessarily true.

In other words, your Oba ate his words right there & then that I’m only repeating my dad’s 1970s revision which I know is obviously a falsehood.

In any case, it was your Ọba’s coronation party and a such attendants must allow him have his time to mak his submission.

If you really thought the Ooni would jump on stage & drag the microphone from his son even after the son had eaten his own words; then you have to think one more time. Plus the Ooni didn’t come with his mic. Or Or did he? This is the dumbest thing I’ve heard.

Guess what!? It got worse when your Ọba came to Ife. He dared not mention the Ekaladerhan fraud in that palace — his need to eat his own words didn’t even arise this time around as he he couldn’t even dare utter the Ekaladerhan fraud it out of his mouth.

Kisses

oswardic:
[s] he ate his word abi wetin this one de talk? So you mean he would stupidly go to your Ooni's home and argue? Oh! I forgot wisdom is scarce in your words... [/s]

oswardic:
Who is this hypeman with no knowledge that is always looking for his mummy to help lecture people she is not qualified to even lecture. Abeg shift! Even if I can speak a language, does that mean a thing about origin? Or you're from England because you type in English?

Abeg, where does Tao get all these nonentities she wiggles around from as hypemen sef... Abeg shift, I am not in for a brainless people like you, even your boss sef lack wisdom na you her apprentice I wan come de waste time with.... Abeg shift!

SirNewtonNG:


As usual bunch of made up nonsense without any counter with evidence and facts. I know this is a burner account. All your brothers rest they called up on you or one of you decided to create burner account, lol , This thing dey really pain you guys ehn. Well, we'll keep posting the truth here for all to see. That satisfaction you want to get from lies will never happen. I'll post TAO11 excellent beating again so you'll go back and cry more. Facts don't care about your feelings

TAO11:

(1) I apologize on behalf of the house of Oduduwa at Ile-Ife for the conquest & colonization of your archaic ancestors since c-1000 CE till date and forever.

Now to the matter: Even going by Benin sources (the earliest indigenous Benin sources on the subject for that matter), says the Ogiso chiefdom of “Benin” was sent from Ife to be for your backward daddies:

Many years ago, Oduduwa of Ile-Ife sent a son — who took the title of Ogiso — with a large retinue from Ife to found a kingdom in this part of the world. ~ Chief Obakhavbaye of Benin, J. U. Egharevba, “A Short History of Benin,” (1936), p. 7.

Facts & early sources beat emotions & new revisions. Oduduwa isn’t your last Ogiso’s son, you jokers. He is an Ife ruler whose son birthed your Ogiso chiefdom.

Did I mention that even as at the late 1890s and early 1900s your daddies and mommies were still roaming naked at Benin waiting to be offered as votives to the deities of Yorùbá people of Ife??

(2) Your opinion of others is not necessarily binding on them, I hope you know that. But your opinion of your own self is at least binding on you.

As such, we take it that you’re a deluded nincompoop with a misplaced priority in life. Yes you agree.

(3) List their names? Lol. Please tell me Pa Idu’s dad’s name. As if the word “Pa” is even a Bini word. LMAO.

In any case, people are required to provide evidence only for claims they make. I can’t remember claiming to have the names handy. I actually never even made any claim about the names to begin with.

Instead, my claim is simply that there were about 97 kings in Ife, and the evidence for this claim of mine is simply the Ife tradition which says that as recorded in historical works —whether collected by a dark-skinned historian or a light-skinned historian.

Ancient Ife’s oral annotated king-list indicates 97 kings thus making Ife’s current monarch the leader of one of the three earliest-founded surviving dynasties in the world alongside Japan and Rajasthan. ~ S. P. Blier, “Art and Risk in Ancient Yoruba,” (2015), p. 36.

(4) The following statement is the wHiTE mAn’s view of your Benin in comparison with some Yorùbá towns.

As a town, Benin was inconsiderable compared with Ibadan, Iseyhin, Shaki, Modakeke, and Abeokuta. ~ Cyril. Punch’s Journal, (1889); cited in H. Ling. Roth (1903), p.vii.

You may also refer the old European map I’d attached earlier in one of my preceding comments and see the comments I gave in that regards.

(5) Shebi you know that if what you’re defending is the truth you wouldn’t have the need to tell this lie.

In other words, show us where I informed you that the Ogisos were mere fairytales/never existed. Otherwise, you remain my slave — no freedom for you.

You’re clearly confusing me with some of ya brothers who felt more inferior upon realizing that even Ogiso chiefdom was established in “Benin” by Ile-Ife.

(6) Pre-Oduduwa Ife “uncivilized”? LMAO! A city that had a pre-Oduduwa embankment?? A city that have’d monarchy centuries before the first “monarchy” would be established for Benin by same Ife?? A city that was working out iron in the pre-Oduduwa era?? Etc.

To think that assumption is even coming from you — you whose daddies and mommies were not allowed to use clothes even in as recent as the late-1890s.
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What then did Oduduwa do in Ife?? He migrated from Oke-Ọra (as tradition shows) to the Ife bowl, and then moved later to unify the distinct Ife kingdoms into one kingdom under one single overarching political rule.

(7) Well, I didn’t ask you to flood here with tears as you have now done here. Fight your inner demons alone without having to involve me.

Nobody made a claim about names of 97 kings and as such no one has any burden of listing names for you. The specific claim is that there were 97 kings, and the evidence for that has been cited above already.

However, here are some of the names off the top of my head (even though I didn’t have to mention one): Ọbatala, Ọbalufẹ, Ọbameri, Onipetu, Ọbaloran Ọbawinrin, Fegun, Ọbadio, Ọbalaaye, Ọbaluru, Apata, Ọbalayan, Ọbalejugbe, Ọbariyuin, Ọbalesun, Ọbarena, Ọbajio, Ọbalale, Ọbalase, Ọranfẹ, Elesije, Yemo, et al.

Note that all these kings reigned prior to Oduduwa, & Oduduwa founded the Ogiso chiefdom via a son. Now think deeply about that.

Oh, I almost forgot to mention that you & your people were already disgraced as per this “Ọba” thing when it was demonstrated incontrovertibly that Ọba was a concept introduced to Benin from the language of the Yoruba people.

See the link below for a gentle reminder on that:
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/15#96513655

Cheers.

Cc: SirNewtonNG

TAO11:

No, your Ọba immediately clarified by admitting that he (as a Bini king) dare not insist to his Yorùbá lords [i.e. Ooni, et al.] that what he (the Bini king) is saying is necessarily true.

In other words, your Oba ate his words right there & then indicating that he’s only regurgitating the 1970s fraud pioneered by his late father.

In any case, it was your Ọba’s coronation party and as such attendants must allow him have his time to make his submission. No the program didn’t plan to have a debate.

If you really thought the Ooni would jump on stage & drag the microphone from his son even after the son had eaten his own words; then you have to think one more time. Plus the Ooni didn’t come with his mic. Or did he? This is the dumbest thing I’ve heard.

Guess what!? It got worse when your Ọba came to Ife. He dared not mention the Ekaladerhan fraud in that palace — his need to eat his own words didn’t even arise this time around as he he couldn’t even dare utter the Ekaladerhan fraud it out of his mouth.

Kisses

TAO11:
No you’re the delusional one who keeps vowing never to come back but keeps coming back for more just like a b!tch.

Plus at a gathering of leaders, the fathers take front seat, the children fight their spot out at the back as is attached below.

Beating after beating. Flogging after flogging.

Christistruth00:



Tao11

It is a knockout !!!!


But they love fake over Posing in Benin

Which one is the body guard again ?

Even his Papa didn’t carry any bodyguard

Is it for Safety or is it for Show

Prince Charles Self never Carry bodyguard enter Seating arrangement

If not for Colonisation and enlightenment

They would probably have said Oba of Benin’s leg must never touch the ground

and Proceeded to Carry him from Benin to Abuja on their heads


Even the Queen of England doesn’t Pose this Grand

SirNewtonNG:


Aunty TAO11 E jo e put link video yen si bi
Let people see when their king reverted. This bini people deny things and twist it. Put it here thank ma. Continue the beating. I'm loving it

SirNewtonNG:


Aunty TAO11 E jo e put link video yen si bi
Let people see when their king reverted. This bini people deny things and twist it. Put it here thank ma. Continue the beating. I'm loving it

oswardic:
Let me help you fuel your hot tears right now.... I think you saw your mummy has refused to post the video of her lies since you asked.... This will eventually bring all your mummy's lies to the public... DIRECT SPEECH from the Benin Oba....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPFuOlZSfM4

SirNewtonNG:


Does stupidity dwell in the dna of bini people like you in beginning to think so. It's like Oranmiyan's conquest did a number on you lots brain. What does this video have to do with what TAO11 was talking about.
you don't even know what he was talking about. You lot just rant about to project superiority and make your primitive brain feel good.

Your Oba(btw our illustrious son from ife who has ruled bini promitivs for 1000 years) saying something to massage your pride doesn't mean it's true. Historians do analysis of historical records and have found out from the bini themselves what the truth is. The oba himself knows what he is doing when he made oranmiyan the firts oba, he is reasserting the authority of ife over benin, the caveat of ekaladerhan is a known historical distortion emanating from 1968 and popularized by oba erediauwa 1978 story book of fables which has several contradictions btw, TAO11 has consistently debunked this. I just felt like adding this even though the video had nothing to do with the visitation of your oba to his ancestral home in ife, where on channels a bini owned station (thank God bini has at least brilliant minds maybe he is a descendant of a conqueror from ife ) he was described as paying homage to his ancestors burial ground, the video TAO11 was talking about is related to when the oba was in the palace of his father, his imperial majesty the OONI.

Stay in your place man!

oswardic:
[s]Let me help you fuel your hot tears right now.... I think you saw your mummy has refused to post the video of her lies since you asked.... This will eventually bring all your mummy's lies to the public... DIRECT SPEECH from the Benin Oba.... [/s]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPFuOlZSfM4

TAO11:

Thanks subject for fetching me this video which I had talked about earlier.

Your Ọba mentioned the Ekeladerhan fraud at his ow coronation party. Why exactly would you assume that the Ooni would request (or even be given) a platform to debunk whatever your Oba just said at his party?

Anyway, my earlier point is that your Oba knows that whatever he is saying at that party is NOT meant to be completely true and binding for his Yorùbá overlords.

As I noted earlier, your Oba ate it back by immediatel noting that if he (your Oba) insist that the Ekaladerha fraud is an absolute truth, then that would mean that he (your Oba) is already passing his boundary.

Your Oba’s precise words (from time-stamp 0:53) goe thus: “But it is not our place to force this recognition to other outside our boundaries”.

In other words, your Oba knows that this fraud is not defensible—especially since it has been dragged in th mud by submission of historical scholarship. Your Oba ate his words up at his own party right there.

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Regarding your Oba’s homage visit to the palace of Hi Imperial Majesty — the Ọɣọni of Ifẹ, Ọba Adeyeye:

Your Ọba was given an opportunity to say something about the connection between father-Ifẹ & son-Beni, many gullible Binis present would have expected him to repeat the Ekaladerhan fraud.

Of course he (your Oba) knew better. He knew never to make such costly mistake. He gave his submission and literally “cut out” and swallowed the aspect of the Ekaladerhan fraud. He knew not to peddle a lie at his overlord’s palace. He (your Oba) dared not.

Watch the video below for yourself — particularly fro time-stamp 13:00 to 13:50 and notice how your Oba skillfully cut out the Ekalderhan part. He would have received the curses of his life if he didn’t cut it out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXvXupQwaz0

Summary:
(1) Your Oba mentioned the Ekaladerhan fraud at his own party—and he immediately ate it back right then and there. Thanks for providing the video for this.

(2) Your Oba mentioned the Ife & Benin connection at his master’s Ife palace— and your Oba dared not bring up the Ekeladerhan fraud. He literally cut it out.

Cheers.

Cc: SirNewtonNG

oswardic:
[s]Eeya, cry me an ocean my dear..
Who would hold the right information if not the Oba of a kingdom, Oba is talking your bobrisky ass is responding as usual, a bitch.

Your foolishness is really increasing in capacity, the same video you want Tao to help you post, I can explain it very well to you, did your unknowledgeable mind also know that The Benin King also visited Sultan of Sokoto to appreciate his presence at his Coronation as well? Sorry, your brain would tell you abi the Oba of Benin is also related to The Sultan of Sokoto...

The Oba of Benin is too mature to start talking as your Ooni was doing during the Oba of Benin visit, saying he's giving him a gift of the picture of Oranmiyan lol... if you watch the video quite well, I hope you would see a slight smile on the Oba of Benin's face? Lol ... He knew The Ooni was trying to play a fast one, and did you hear the anxiety in his voice when he was saying those things? Lol...

My dear, Una no near.... The Portuguese came and were surprised at a well structured society in such a location they've written off but couldn't say a dime about the Yoruba kingdom..

I have my reservation for dull brained people like you though... For now, you can continue crying me ocean[/s]

oswardic:
[s]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUmrS2lrjPc

Sometimes I wonder if your brain can not comprehend truth or you're just dumb to be corrected.

In the Oba's coronation, you're expecting him to over push on a topic that is highly controversial so that his coronation can have a bad ending? Make Una de get sense small small. The Benin King is too mature to start ranting as a kid. He knew your people can be highly noisy and it is the obvious truth, it is not in our place to force truth through blind minds that does not want to accept the truth

Secondly, he visited your Ooni, your Ooni's home and you expect him to cause an argument there? Please, is it that you're just too stupid to notice wisdom when you see one? He cut out of it, what message does it send to you?

You saw the two culture, do they have anything in common? Please spare me your foolishness this early morning laho..[/s]