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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by gambojimeta: 3:10pm On Feb 06, 2022
Kokobilo87:


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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by gambojimeta: 3:15pm On Feb 06, 2022
Kokobilo87:


[s]Ya is a still an explain not an make tha sense.

Ya isa fit ah nough to ah register to ah vote with ah id but ya isa not fit to ah get tha id, ah photo id which isa drivers ah license or ah state issued id.

Ah non citizen can ah photo identification

Passport
Drivers licence to ah name ah few isa photo identification.

Ya go to ah register, ya isa show id, another ah person isa vote with ah ya name with out ah show the ID.

Ya go to open account ya show the id. Ya go to take tha money ya show tha id[/s]
Ondo arse munchings halfmonkey-halfdonkey which ah nefer enta aeloplanes Ina isi pooor pathetik life ah do da donkey talks grin

Maybe eferyones ah drife Ina Ondo jungles

Maybes dey ah show da foto ID ta receif socials moneys Ina Akures

Wen ya brain Isa fulls ofu da mucus andi ya mouth ah full ofu Ramdeauter pooops, ya ah begins ta talk da nansense grin

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by gambojimeta: 3:24pm On Feb 06, 2022
Kokobilo87:


My dada Ah shameless rich man wannabe.

I isa have tha opinion. I isa see and i isa take it like ah man becos I ah woke donkey SJW.


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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by ono(m): 3:33pm On Feb 06, 2022
feedthenation:
Exclusive: Newly obtained records show Trump and Jim Jordan spoke at length on morning of January 6

The House select committee investigating the Capitol insurrection is now in possession of White House records that provide new details about a phone call Donald Trump made to Republican Rep. Jim Jordan on January 6, 2021 -- as the investigation drills down on the former President's communications that day and questions have long swirled around calls between him and lawmakers.

Two sources who have reviewed the call records tell CNN that Trump spoke on the phone at the White House residence with Jordan for 10 minutes on the morning of January 6. That afternoon, Jordan took to the House floor to object to the certification of President Joe Biden's Electoral College win, and pro-Trump supporters attacked the US Capitol.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/04/politics/jim-jordan-trump-january-6/index.html


The very definition of FAKE NEWS. What's the point of this post now? They spoke for 10 minutes and so what? What did they talk about that should be added to the pile of rubbish the "unselect" committee are putting together that humans the world over can use to nail Trump?

Between, what about the FBI agent urging people to go and attack the capitol on that day? Where is he?

Are you guys nuts or what?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 4:40pm On Feb 06, 2022
ono:



The very definition of FAKE NEWS. What's the point of this post now? They spoke for 10 minutes and so what? What did they talk about that should be added to the pile of rubbish the "unselect" committed are putting together that humans the world over can use to nail Trump?

Between, what about the FBI agent urging people to go and attack the capitol on that day? Where is he?

Are you guys nuts or what?

Democrats are behaving like they will never lose power. I have a stinking feeling they will do anything to remain in control

Worst of all I hate the media because it's their PR department.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 4:53pm On Feb 06, 2022
Konkoja:

You are too shallow to comprehend complex social phenomenon as it relate to ID card issue. Unfortunately, you have shown you lack capacity or unwilling to learn. Nobody will waste their time to educate you. Continue to stew in your ignorance!

One should never forget this regarding some.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 4:58pm On Feb 06, 2022
wirinet:

I don't think people are giving enough credit to Pence for saving US democracy.
Trump and his fellow coup plotters were banking on Pence to refuse to certify the elections, and the mob taking over the Capitol building causing chaos and probably killing a few lawmakers particularly Pelosi. Then in the ensuing Chaos, Biden could not be sworn on January 20th. And with Pelosi out of the way Trump continuation as president would have been a fait accompli.

If Gops pit Pence in next elections Dems will be toast. He does not seem like one who would get rid of filibusters to pass legislation nor one to claim Jane Roe can't have an abortion wherever she lives.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 5:10pm On Feb 06, 2022
DeepSight:


I lean left, but I dont think anything can justify standing against IDs for elections. Its only common sense. Even here in vastly retarded Nigeria we use PVCs. How would you feel if a section of the country rose up in arms against the use of PVCs?

Most states already have a requirement for IDs for elections. You can't just turn up claim you are so and so and just vote, and impersonation is a crime which is policed.

What people are standing against is excessive requirements for IDs for elections, especially with its potential for manipulation by authorities.

Democrats used fraud and intimidation via militias like the Ku Klux Klan to limit Black voting in the 20th century, and achieved single-party rule for decades after using voter registration laws to disenfranchise many African-Americans and poor whites.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression_in_the_United_States

You can't expect the past to be so easily forgotten.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 5:22pm On Feb 06, 2022
sanpipita:


No no don't do this, this is exact narrative they are spreading to rebrand Pence, he has no powers to overturn elections if he decided to move mad it wouldn't stand, he will infact end up etching his name in infamy for life, Trump probably thought Pence was stupid enough to act like he wanted.

It is good that he knew that. A drumpthfp lackey would have ignorantly damned the consequences. And that rebranding has huge potential to run, in the minds of lots of gops and in a large sway of dems minds too. Just think Biden v Pence, or worst, v Harris, in the United States of America.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 5:27pm On Feb 06, 2022
DeepSight:


Thanks for this reasoned response ... I may respond in detail later as I am on the road. But for now you really have to bear in mind that among the "complex social issues" which you raise is the very real "complex" issue that resisting IDs will rightly be seen by many as a desire to rig elections.

Nice try, DeepSight. Thankfully, unlike democracy itself, the majority do not determine what is seen, as the rise of a
propensity to 'see' and believe fakenews has shown.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 5:44pm On Feb 06, 2022
Tdotbluejays:

Guess what, Trudeau is having a laugh and cares less as we speak. The mandates are majorly provincial.

The protest so far has sealed the fate of the Conservatives in Canada. The Liberal are now guaranteed to govern for atleast another 10 years.

Canada is a very very Liberal country. Videos of the few Conservative politicians that associated themselves with the protest will be played over and over again along the Nazi Swastika, Confederate flags upside down Canadian flag, burning of the Canadian flag, peeing on war memorials, bullying people wearing mask, pooping on people's pouch and many more vices.

The protest has consumed one of their own already, the leader of the Conservative party of Canada (Erin O'tool) has been kicked out for an Interim leader. The party is currently in a mess.

Doug ford, the Conservative governor of Ontario has condemned the protest and labeled it as an occupation. Same as the Conservative governor of Alberta.

The Ottawa police has classified some of the activities as illegal. Hence, GoFundMe had no choice than to cancel the contributions and offer refunds

Those you see in the protest are what? Loud minority.

The organizers of the protest are well known far right activist. Pat king has a video about the great replacement about how whites have superior bloodlines.
Great replacement video:
https://twitter.com/VestsCanada/status/1159997274900041729?t=gmQ3q-LNTCCXfBrkUaXKTg&s=19

It is now glaring that the protest was not about mandate but just your regular anti-vaxx protest similar to that we have seen in Europe.

Omicron just peaked and we expect to see a decline in hospital admission. Mandates would eventually go when our hospitals can handle the influx of patients sick with Covid. Common sense.

PS..there are already class action lawsuits popping up here and there against the far-right organizers of the protest. They are in for a long ride when the dust settles.

I support the Police. I support Law and Order.

Apparently on Twitter they are saying blackface Trudeau had bought 300m doses of the vaccines, 10 for each person you included.
That sounds plausible enough to explain his insistence on you getting vaxxed. Despite that they don't do zilch when it comes to getting and spreading infection.
Follow the money.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 5:45pm On Feb 06, 2022
raumdeuter:


Basically you just need to show up at polling station and say you are James Brown without any form of govt issued ID and voila you get to vote

This shows you know nothing of what you speak of.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 5:47pm On Feb 06, 2022
budaatum:


This shows you know nothing of what you speak of.

You imply that an election is invalid if 100% of voters don't cast their vote?
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 5:50pm On Feb 06, 2022
zendi:

If you're running for office then you become liable for any law breaking by some of your supporters any day you hold a campaign rally, when you were not part of the planning or actioning of such act?

Even after said leader called on you to amass and storm the Capital with promises to join you?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 5:52pm On Feb 06, 2022
basilico:


You imply that an election is invalid if 100% of voters don't cast their vote?

No I don't. You ignorantly infer, as usual.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Konkoja: 6:01pm On Feb 06, 2022
DeepSight:
@ Konkoja -

Many thanks for taking the time to give, again, a reasoned response. Appreciated.



Why not though? If you really want to participate in a formal exercise it's very hard to argue against such reasonable identification. Why would anyone want to participate in a free, fair, open, formal and public exercise such as an election while resisting presentation of a photo ID. You have to agree that that would eternally offer grounds for suspicion.



Lets be wary of deploying the obvious notion of general complexities as defenses against the simple and rational.



Glad you answered your own poser here. People who dont wish to engage with the system have no business being aggrieved on account that they were asked to present photo IDs.



Every measure to further or improve the openness and legitimacy of elections should be supported by all well meaning people. Amigo, to be candid, no matter how you spin it, those who seek to avoid photo identification in such a matter will eternally come off as highly suspect. There's just no way to spin this one. If it were something which was a function of money for instance, you could argue that it would disenfranchise the poor. But it is not. If it were something which was a function of education, you could argue that it would disenfranchise the lower classes. But it is not. If it were something which was a function of any other qualification by merit, race, sexuality, religion, ethnicity or the like, you could argue that it would disenfranchise people of certain categories. But it is not. It is available to every person cross country.

Frankly it is also not lost on one that some of the principal categories of people who would be interested in avoiding photo IDs must include fugitives, impostors and fraudsters of every description.

As I said before, while I appreciate you taking the time to set out your reasoning, there is just no way to argue against any measure which offers full and proper identification for voters in an election. Arguing against such will always amount to arguing against free and fair elections.


Have a good read... Including research reports:

https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/campaigns/upgrading-our-democracy/voter-id/

See both sides of the argument based on facts.

Just to check what I'm missing here with the bolded - what is the proof or proofs of previous elections were not free and fair? This is like pumping someone with medication when he/she is not unwell!

Good chat mate - I rest my case.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 6:08pm On Feb 06, 2022
budaatum:


This shows you know nothing of what you speak of.

I will say you are projecting.
To do work stuff you need your work issued ID
To do school stuffs you need your school issued ID
To do govt stuffs you need a govt issued ID

It's very simple unless you have other intentions
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Kokobilo87: 7:19pm On Feb 06, 2022
budaatum:


One should never forget this regarding some.

Ya know why ya isa remain ah stupid. Ya isa not ah fixed ah yet
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Tdotbluejays1: 7:25pm On Feb 06, 2022
basilico:


Apparently on Twitter they are saying blackface Trudeau had bought 300m doses of the vaccines, 10 for each person you included.
That sounds plausible enough to explain his insistence on you getting vaxxed. Despite that they don't do zilch when it comes to getting and spreading infection.
Follow the money.
Trudeau is not the Premier (Governors) of the provinces. Health and Vaccination mandates are majorly the jurisdiction of provinces.

Trudeau's only crime was the cross border(border are federal) mandate for truck drivers. He is only retaliating what the US government put in a place for Canadian truck drivers.

It is also important to know that close to 90% of Canadian truckers are vaccinated and are still going back and forth between the US and Canada. Our Walmart, Loblaw, saveonfood, Real Canadian Stuperstore e.t.c grocery store shelves are still full of foods.

The Conservative provinces do not have to accept Trudeau's vaccine, but guess what, they are also echo chambers for Trudeau in encouraging people to get vaccinated.

Ps: Race politics do not work well in Canada like the US. Trudeau got re-elected despite his black face reveal like a week before election.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhk9R3KO6Qg
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Kokobilo87: 7:55pm On Feb 06, 2022
budaatum:


This shows you know nothing of what you speak of.

Needing an ID to do the following ISN'T racist:
-Buy/register/insure/drive a car
-Open a bank account
-Board an airplane
-Apply for food stamps
-Apply for a job
-File for unemployment
-Have prescriptions filled
-Purchase alcohol/tobacco
-Apply for university
-Get a refund at a lot of stores
-Have utilities
-Adopt a child
-Get a mortgage
-Go to a doctor
-Donate blood
-Pick up a package at the post office
-Purchase a firearm
-Obtain social security benefits
-Obtain medicare/medicaid
-Open a credit card
-Get a library card
-Rent an apartment
-Get a CHINA-19 "vaccine"
-Go to jail
-Rent tools/furniture
-Get married
-Cash a check
-Go to court
-Enter a federal building
-Cash a lottery ticket
-Apply for welfare
-Adopt a pet
-Join a gym
-Visit a casino
-Apply for a hunting/fishing license


Needing an ID to do the following apparently IS racist:
-Vote

Hmm...

Ya wonder why some isa call ah ya tha professional ah victim ye

Ya who isa illegal alien ina England isa know more than ah me and ah raumdeuter ina texas/Austin or our country. Ya isa join gambojimeta ina Enugu. Carry Ibime with ah ya

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by DeepSight(m): 8:00pm On Feb 06, 2022
Konkoja:
[/b]

Have a good read... Including research reports:

https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/campaigns/upgrading-our-democracy/voter-id/

See both sides of the argument based on facts.

Just to check what I'm missing here with the bolded - what is the proof or proofs of previous elections were not free and fair? This is like pumping someone with medication when he/she is not unwell!

Good chat mate - I rest my case.

From your own link -

"Obtaining free electoral ID cards involves prospective voters having to take time off work and caring responsibilities to travel to council offices during opening hours to request them. Those that can most easily take time off from work or caring responsibilities to do this are usually the most likely to already have ID."

I say its both escapist and lazy for anyone to rely on this given that there is no urgent deadline within which this can be done. Any serious voter can find time in what is at least two whole years between elections.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by DeepSight(m): 8:02pm On Feb 06, 2022
Kokobilo87:


Needing an ID to do the following ISN'T racist:
-Buy/register/insure/drive a car
-Open a bank account
-Board an airplane
-Apply for food stamps
-Apply for a job
-File for unemployment
-Have prescriptions filled
-Purchase alcohol/tobacco
-Apply for university
-Get a refund at a lot of stores
-Have utilities
-Adopt a child
-Get a mortgage
-Go to a doctor
-Donate blood
-Pick up a package at the post office
-Purchase a firearm
-Obtain social security benefits
-Obtain medicare/medicaid
-Open a credit card
-Get a library card
-Rent an apartment
-Get a CHINA-19 "vaccine"
-Go to jail
-Rent tools/furniture
-Get married
-Cash a check
-Go to court
-Enter a federal building
-Cash a lottery ticket
-Apply for welfare
-Adopt a pet
-Join a gym
-Visit a casino
-Apply for a hunting/fishing license


Needing an ID to do the following apparently IS racist:
-Vote

Hmm...

Konkoja and the others should reflect on this list.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Kokobilo87: 8:02pm On Feb 06, 2022
DeepSight:


From your own link -

Obtaining free electoral ID cards involves prospective voters having to take time off work and caring responsibilities to travel to council offices during opening hours to request them. Those that can most easily take time off from work or caring responsibilities to do this are usually the most likely to already have ID. This expensive plan simply makes it harder for some people to vote.

I say its both escapist and lazy for anyone to rely on this given that there is no urgent deadline within which this can be done. Any serious voter can find time in what is at least two whole years between elections.

If tha ah lazy to ah do ah that, tha ah lazy to ah stand ina tha queue at ah poling station.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 8:16pm On Feb 06, 2022
DeepSight:


From your own link -

"Obtaining free electoral ID cards involves prospective voters having to take time off work and caring responsibilities to travel to council offices during opening hours to request them. Those that can most easily take time off from work or caring responsibilities to do this are usually the most likely to already have ID."

I say its both escapist and lazy for anyone to rely on this given that there is no urgent deadline within which this can be done. Any serious voter can find time in what is at least two whole years between elections.

Conservatives are politically motivated while normal people who would usually vote democrat are politically unmotivated

Not everybody is catching HBP everyday like these Trumpanzees over political issues. By when time comes to cast their vote, they vote with the most moderate and inclusive candidate. Hate motivates more than moderation, so does religious fervour. Same reason why the North PVC collection is always high compared to South

I don't need to go out my way to get voter ID here in UK. Electoral roll write to me to register. I will never go and queue for voter ID. Only sick and twisted children of hatred like Basilico and co will go and kill themselves to queue to get voter ID.

Conservatives know they lack numbers but are more motivated. Same applies the world over, and that's what they bank on.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Kokobilo87: 8:21pm On Feb 06, 2022
Ibime:


Conservatives are politically motivated while normal people who would usually vote democrat are politically unmotivated

Not everybody is catching HBP everyday like these Trumpanzees over political issues. By when time comes to cast their vote, they vote with the most moderate and inclusive candidate. Hate motivates more than moderation, so does religious fervour. Same reason why the North PVC collection is always high compared to South

Ya isa not ah make ah sense.

Motivation isa what isa take ya from ah point ah A to ah B ina tha everyday ah life.

Motivation isa why tha politicians isa campaign to ah motivate ah people.

If one ah group isa not ah motivated to ah get ah ID, they isa not ah more ah likely to ah not ah vote ye.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by DeepSight(m): 8:21pm On Feb 06, 2022
Ibime:


Conservatives are politically motivated while normal people who would usually vote democrat are politically unmotivated

Not everybody is catching HBP everyday like these Trumpanzees over political issues. By when time comes to cast their vote, they vote with the most moderate and inclusive candidate. Hate motivates more than moderation, so does religious fervour. Same reason why the North PVC collection is always high compared to South

I don't need to go out my way to get voter ID here in UK. Electoral roll write to me to register. I will never go and queue for voter ID. Only sick and twisted children of hatred like Basilico and co will go and kill themselves to queue to get voter ID.

Conservatives know they lack numbers but are more motivated. Same applies the world over, and that's what they bank on.

I have to say you have a point here.
But still doesnt justify the argument against IDs.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Kokobilo87: 8:24pm On Feb 06, 2022
Ibime:


Conservatives are politically motivated while normal people who would usually vote democrat are politically unmotivated

Not everybody is catching HBP everyday like these Trumpanzees over political issues. By when time comes to cast their vote, they vote with the most moderate and inclusive candidate. Hate motivates more than moderation, so does religious fervour. Same reason why the North PVC collection is always high compared to South

I don't need to go out my way to get voter ID here in UK. Electoral roll write to me to register. I will never go and queue for voter ID. Only sick and twisted children of hatred like Basilico and co will go and kill themselves to queue to get voter ID.

Conservatives know they lack numbers but are more motivated. Same applies the world over, and that's what they bank on.

No ah body isa ah queue to get ah ID. Ya isa go and ah come ah out. Ina Nigeria, tha may ah queue because tha people isa like to ah do tha ah thing at ah late or ah close to ah deadline.

Ya make Ibime argument and Ibime argument are ah rettarded ah argument
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Kokobilo87: 8:25pm On Feb 06, 2022
DeepSight:


I have to say you have a point here.
But still doesnt justify the argument against IDs.

What isa tha point? No ah point
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by DeepSight(m): 8:32pm On Feb 06, 2022
Kokobilo87:


What isa tha point? No ah point

He tryna say ah practically speaking ah, dem right-wingers be ah more militant ah abouta da matter ah!
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Kokobilo87: 8:34pm On Feb 06, 2022
DeepSight:


He tryna say ah practically speaking ah, dem right-wingers be ah more militant ah abouta da matter ah!

But tha isa tha work of tha politicians to ah motivate ah people to ah vote.

That isa not ah point against ah ID. Isa just ah stupid excuse
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 8:34pm On Feb 06, 2022
Ibime:


Conservatives are politically motivated while normal people who would usually vote democrat are politically unmotivated

Not everybody is catching HBP everyday like these Trumpanzees over political issues. By when time comes to cast their vote, they vote with the most moderate and inclusive candidate. Hate motivates more than moderation, so does religious fervour. Same reason why the North PVC collection is always high compared to South

I don't need to go out my way to get voter ID here in UK. Electoral roll write to me to register. I will never go and queue for voter ID. Only sick and twisted children of hatred like Basilico and co will go and kill themselves to queue to get voter ID.

Conservatives know they lack numbers but are more motivated. Same applies the world over, and that's what they bank on.

If the South is not motivated to collect PVC like the north should they allow Southerners to vote without PVC?

If you cannot get voter ID, then get Drivers license or Passport or State ID or handgun license. It would be ridiculous to say you cannot get one of 7 options needed to vote

Get drivers license No I cannot
Get Passports No I cannot
Get State ID No I cannot
Get Handgun license No I cannot
Get Voter ID no I cannot
Get personal ID no I cannot

So what do you want? I just want to vote in an election coordinated by govt without any form of govt issued photo ID

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Kokobilo87: 8:36pm On Feb 06, 2022
raumdeuter:


If the South is not motivated to collect PVC like the north should they allow Southerners to vote without PVC?

If you cannot get voter ID, then get Drivers license or Passport or State ID or handgun license. It would be ridiculous to say you cannot get one of 7 options needed to vote

Watch ah him ah say ah stupid ah excuse

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