[quote author=gunners160 post=110196447][/quote] What are you saying? Why are you blabbing? Mr teacher wey sabi history Maybe you're so dull that's why you couldn't comprehend what i wrote. Did you see my comment mentioning who's at fault or who's not? Give yourself sense if life no give you abeg
Krismas: In all the talks Russia has had with Biden over Ukraine the Americans have rejected all call to rule out Ukraine membership of NATO. Should Russia wait until this happens b4 making preparations? Will that not be medicine after death?
Russia is free to prepare but so long nato has not accepted Ukrain's membership there is no cause for war. Invading Ukraine now would be stupid and evil.
You don't like russians because they oppress sovereign nations? I challenge you to go and start reading the history of USA. I almost guarantee you that you will start liking the russians, as do I. Because like you, I used to be brainwashed into thinking the russians are the bad guys.
The USA did much, much worse than Russia is currently doing. The western media's tries to cover all of it and I'll tell you they actually succeeded. But then, if you go deep, you will definitely see books or even articles that explain their brutal history.
Anyway, since you claim russia doesn't respect other countries sovereignty. Let me give you a few examples of when USA attempted and did far worse of what Russia is currently doing with Ukraine. USA even killed their own citizens to make it seem like it is other "sovereign" countries that did it, to justify invasion.
in 1898, for instance, the US exploded USS Maine in Havana killing 266 American mariners to blame and declaring war on Spain.
Please I advice you to Google operation north woods. Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against American citizens that originated within the US Department of Defense of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the CIA operatives to both stage and actually commit acts of terrorism against American military and civilian targets , blaming them on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. Ukraine...sound familiar??
Now you see that Cuba that I mentioned? That country Don see hell fire for USA hand. I'm willing to write about the suffering that was meted upon them by USA, but I'll leave that for another day. Let me talk about NATO, USA, RUSSIA & UKRAINE.
So many of you nairalanders actually think Russia is the aggressor and the cause of the current tension. Well that is false! NATO and the USA are both the problem. Here do you know why? Well, the West been led by the USA had been expanding its DS Military infrastructure footprint throughout Europe; deploying NATO nuclear missiles, U.S. missile defense systems and special forces along Russia’s doorstep. Putin hasn’t been toppling governments in Eastern Europe, installing proxies, or deploying Russian missiles and Soviet defense systems. As you nairalanders make it seem. It’s been the West, moving East. Since the end of the Cold War, the West has been systematically cutting Russia off from the rest of the world, using NATO.
What’s happening in Ukraine today is the same thing that happened in 1962 during the Cuban Missile Crisis. please go and read about the Cuban missile crisis if you can. America put nuclear missiles in Italy and Turkey. The Soviet Union ‘RESPONDED’ by putting missiles in the Caribbean (via submarines) and Cuba. America learned about the Soviet missiles in the Caribbean and Cuba and freaked out bc of the extremely close proximity of the Soviets’ military infrastructure. With Soviet missiles that close, America would not have sufficient time to analyze, evaluate and respond to a potential threat. America went nuts, demanded the Soviets immediately remove the missiles. The Soviets had made the same complaints and demands about America’s nuclear missiles in Italy and Turkey. The United States said those missiles were defensive. After the Soviets responded in kind putting the same in the Caribbean and Cuba, America said the missiles were an aggressive threat. The Cuban Missile Crisis had begun. The Soviets were not the aggressors, they were the respondent. The United States wasn’t having it and began plans to invade Cuba, put 100,000 plus troops on Florida beaches, set up an illegal Naval blockade in the Caribbean blocking all ships from reaching Cuba and the United States, flew Spy Planes over Cuba (which got shot down, killing Air Force Pilot Rudolph Anderson). The U.S. also attacked Soviet submarines which were lawfully patrolling in international water and hadn’t fired on anyone. Pretty hypocritical, right? The Soviets were simply responding in kind, and refused to back down. In the end, in order to avoid nuclear war, America agreed to remove its nuclear missiles from Italy and Turkey, and thereafter the Soviets agreed to remove its missiles from Cuba, restoring the status quo and balance of power to the position the parties were in before America dramatically expanded its military footprint. Today, we see the EXACT SAME scenario happening. The West has been building up its NATO footprint, putting NATO weapons, nuclear missiles, missile defense systems and special forces in former Soviet states. Ukraine, Georgia, Kazakhstan we’re a step too far for Putin inasmuch as this is literally on the doorstep of Russia. Putin has amassed his extraordinary military machinery and has told the world that NATO missiles are NOT going into Ukraine. Putin has also demanded the West remove its missiles from the former Soviet states surrounding Russia. Sound familiar! Putin will win this battle, NATO and the rest of the world will agree to restore the status quo and remove NATO missiles. If the Biden / NATO missiles currently on their way actually enter Ukraine, you will see Putin respond with the use of his vast military.
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Righteousness2: The Holy Bible, which is the Undiluted Word of God is being unraveled before us.
Wars and Rumors of wars, Earthquakes, Volcanoes, dry lands flooded, fertile lands turned to desert, Pestilences, famines and so much more, rattling and ravaging the world in unprecedented Frequencies, just as the Holy Bible says.
JESUS is Coming... I Repeat, JESUS is Coming.... Time is tooooooo Short..
There is Only one way to be Saved from the Calamities that will hit this Earth. Surrendering to the Lordship of JESUS Christ is the only way to be Saved.
. I always support and like all your comments here but is like you are wishing for war. Bro calm down. There is nothing like war on the 16th. I have been following up development stories. Russia can never go to war with ukraine because of so many factors. Some of your topics here always make people go against you. Bro, plz calm down. What if russia did not strike ukraine on the 16th as you claim, how would people see u in this forum? You are always fun of carrying war stories. God will never allow it to happen for now. We need peace in the world
okeysoninv: if us agree to this then they should also be ready to surrender east Germany, Poland , Baltic and Eastern Europe to Russia . Russia is a bully nation. They are shouting they don't want missile in Ukraine. Is missiles not stationed in Baltic countries and Poland which are close proximity to Russia. Why not Russia demand Japan dismantle America missiles in Japan which shares border with Russia. Well, I blamed Ukraine is for not being able to develop nuke weapons, that's the language Putin understand. America and Western nations are sisi too. Look at the way Russia is bullying of them.
In a nutshell, u saying THERE IS NOTHING WRONG IN WESTERN MISSILES BEING CLOSE TO RUSSIA and that RUSSIA IS A BULLY FOR MAKING SUCH COMPLAINS? U are out of your mind
Mostly true but I doubt we rely on Ukrainian grain to survive over here.
I doubt it too. The issue is GLOBAL SUPPLIES. If there's a global war, the more self-sufficient in food a country is, the better it will fare. Nigeria is 80-90% self-sufficient. But FUEL.
Vickyvice: what. Tryna say is them born Russia well they should fire just one bullet, and see d end or russia. China and that midget Kim Jon un of north Korea go pee in pant. Comparing Russia to u.s is same as Tyson fury and a.j They are no and will never be mates
One thing I can surmise from this whole scenario is that, USA won't risk American soldiers' lives to fight Russia for Ukraine, because Russians and Ukrainians are genetically the same people. USA will rather fight the war in proxy.
Kinzo0917: . I always support and like all your comments here but is like you are wishing for war. Bro calm down. There is nothing like war on the 16th. I have been following up development stories. Russia can never go to war with ukraine because of so many factors. Some of your topics here always make people go against you. Bro, plz calm down. What if russia did not strike ukraine on the 16th as you claim, how would people see u in this forum? You are always fun of carrying war stories. God will never allow it to happen for now. We need peace in the world
I do not believe there will be war just yet. Cos the prophecy says it’s the period a WOMAN WILL BE PRESIDENT OF AMERICA that the nation will be destroyed
You have no idea what you are talking about. Putin is telling USA and all of Europe not to admit Ukraine into NATO or he will bomb them before they can even open their eyes.
Putin is everything but a bully.
And tell me what that is, if it ain't bullying and threats? Seems you don't really know what you're saying after all.
Russia is free to prepare but so long nato has not accepted Ukrain's membership there is no cause for war. Invading Ukraine now would be stupid and evil.
Why don’t u listen to wot the Ukraine president is saying? Calling on NATO daily to attack Russia! That’s why he applied to NATO in the first place, so he can force a NATO attack against Russia
You don't like russians because they oppress sovereign nations? I challenge you to go and start reading the history of USA. I almost guarantee you that you will start liking the russians, as do I. Because like you, I used to be brainwashed into thinking the russians are the bad guys.
The USA did much, much worse than Russia is currently doing. The western media's tries to cover all of it and I'll tell you they actually succeeded. But then, if you go deep, you will definitely see books or even articles that explain their brutal history.
Anyway, since you claim russia doesn't respect other countries sovereignty. Let me give you a few examples of when USA attempted and did far worse of what Russia is currently doing with Ukraine. USA even killed their own citizens to make it seem like it is other "sovereign" countries that did it, to justify invasion.
in 1898, for instance, the US exploded USS Maine in Havana killing 266 American mariners to blame and declaring war on Spain.
Please I advice you to Google operation north woods. Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against American citizens that originated within the US Department of Defense of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the CIA operatives to both stage and actually commit acts of terrorism against American military and civilian targets , blaming them on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. Ukraine...sound familiar??
Now you see that Cuba that I mentioned? That country Don see hell fire for USA hand. I'm willing to write about the suffering that was meted upon them by USA, but I'll leave that for another day. Let me talk about NATO, USA, RUSSIA & UKRAINE.
So many of you nairalanders actually think Russia is the aggressor and the cause of the current tension. Well that is false! NATO and the USA are both the problem. Here do you know why? Well, the West been led by the USA had been expanding its DS Military infrastructure footprint throughout Europe; deploying NATO nuclear missiles, U.S. missile defense systems and special forces along Russia’s doorstep. Putin hasn’t been toppling governments in Eastern Europe, installing proxies, or deploying Russian missiles and Soviet defense systems. As you nairalanders make it seem. It’s been the West, moving East. Since the end of the Cold War, the West has been systematically cutting Russia off from the rest of the world, using NATO.
What’s happening in Ukraine today is the same thing that happened in 1962 during the Cuban Missile Crisis. please go and read about the Cuban missile crisis if you can. America put nuclear missiles in Italy and Turkey. The Soviet Union ‘RESPONDED’ by putting missiles in the Caribbean (via submarines) and Cuba. America learned about the Soviet missiles in the Caribbean and Cuba and freaked out bc of the extremely close proximity of the Soviets’ military infrastructure. With Soviet missiles that close, America would not have sufficient time to analyze, evaluate and respond to a potential threat. America went nuts, demanded the Soviets immediately remove the missiles. The Soviets had made the same complaints and demands about America’s nuclear missiles in Italy and Turkey. The United States said those missiles were defensive. After the Soviets responded in kind putting the same in the Caribbean and Cuba, America said the missiles were an aggressive threat. The Cuban Missile Crisis had begun. The Soviets were not the aggressors, they were the respondent. The United States wasn’t having it and began plans to invade Cuba, put 100,000 plus troops on Florida beaches, set up an illegal Naval blockade in the Caribbean blocking all ships from reaching Cuba and the United States, flew Spy Planes over Cuba (which got shot down, killing Air Force Pilot Rudolph Anderson). The U.S. also attacked Soviet submarines which were lawfully patrolling in international water and hadn’t fired on anyone. Pretty hypocritical, right? The Soviets were simply responding in kind, and refused to back down. In the end, in order to avoid nuclear war, America agreed to remove its nuclear missiles from Italy and Turkey, and thereafter the Soviets agreed to remove its missiles from Cuba, restoring the status quo and balance of power to the position the parties were in before America dramatically expanded its military footprint. Today, we see the EXACT SAME scenario happening. The West has been building up its NATO footprint, putting NATO weapons, nuclear missiles, missile defense systems and special forces in former Soviet states. Ukraine, Georgia, Kazakhstan we’re a step too far for Putin inasmuch as this is literally on the doorstep of Russia. Putin has amassed his extraordinary military machinery and has told the world that NATO missiles are NOT going into Ukraine. Putin has also demanded the West remove its missiles from the former Soviet states surrounding Russia. Sound familiar! Putin will win this battle, NATO and the rest of the world will agree to restore the status quo and remove NATO missiles. If the Biden / NATO missiles currently on their way actually enter Ukraine, you will see Putin respond with the use of his vast military.
Lalasticlacla, Mynd44 move to fp for people to be enlightened
Well said bro. They are strategically surrounding the Russians. The people of Crimea and donbas , do not want to be part Ukraine that belongs to nato. They are historically Russian speaking people and have voted to pull out of Ukraine, if it ever joins nato. Secondly, Ukraine is a border between Russia and European Union. Russian could not afford to share a border with a nato country. Americas expansionist ambition would likely be the cause of the world war 3. Biri ka Biri. Leave and let others leave
- USA should swallow her pride and disqualify Ukraine from joining NATO with whatever reason at her disposal. This is because, if USA does not want RUSSIA to have her military base to any of her neighbor like CUBA, why should she do so to RUSSIA knowing fully well the military and intelligent implications. Like the saying goes, what's good for the goose is also good for the gander.
- UKRAINE I will say is the sole entity to start this war or avert it. Step down from joining NATO. She may choose other means to relate with the West like economic ties, politico-social relationship but not military relationship. Yes territorial integrity is enshrined in the international law but these does not apply to some countries like USA, RUSSIA, BRITAIN, CHINA, FRANCE, NORTH KOREA, JAPAN and GERMANY. UKRAINIAN should learn from their last territorial attack few years ago that led to some powerful nations only barked but didn't bite.
- RUSSIA, should be objective to USA of the implication of the allowing UKRAINE be a member of NATO. RUSSIAN authority should as a matter of urgency shift the attention of USA to her neighbors like CUBA by establishing military base and solid economic relationship with them. This will definitely force the USA to rethink of her impending actions with UKRAINE.
MY OWN TAKE
RUSSIA is fighting a just fight because no world power will like to entertain enemy within or outside not to talk of a contiguous neighbor
What was Russia's reason for Georgia 2008 and Crimea 2014 was it about NATO? The reason why Ukraine is wanting to join NATO is it not because of the fear of crimes and a threat to their sovereignty. What exactly happened to the sovereignty of Ukraine to decide what it wants?
Vickyvice: what. Tryna say is them born Russia well they should fire just one bullet, and see d end or russia. China and that midget Kim Jon un of north Korea go pee in pant. Comparing Russia to u.s is same as Tyson fury and a.j They are no and will never be mates
Plz don't dare people dat way. Wot do u know about U.S and Russia? Diz two countries know demselves beta. If Russia ain't hard nut to crack, U.S might've unleashed terror on them long bfor now ok. No b by body size, small body no b sickness.
Maybe dis is just Western Hysteria. Provocation, Disinformation, and thread. Person talk say na wetin dem take Sabi d West! ...just reporting.
pakirisuitesphc: America and NATO are the problem here, if they admit Ukraine to NATO, US will surely put their missiles next to Russia on Ukraine land, Can America allow Russia to put missiles near their border? Russia simply want that promise of not admitting Ukraine into NATO. But nothing will still happen because the huge cost of war will be devastating for Russia both in human and economic cost, though Ukraine will pay higher cost too.
Thank you, that's what these Hollywood and CNN fanatics don't understand. How can you allow your enemy pitch tent in your backyard? You'll do anything to stop that.
Another reason is Crimea. Ukraine selfish interest is to claim Crimea. Joining NATO will mean they have their backing to achieve this goal. Ukraine is the devil here and they deserve everything that'll come their way.
Krismas: I do not believe there will be war just yet. Cos the prophecy says it’s the period a WOMAN WILL BE PRESIDENT OF AMERICA that the nation will 4be destroyed
Listen bro...Putin is not the aggressor,America and intentional disinformation from the west is.. America wants Ukraine to join NATO which would allow them them to be have a NATO base in Ukraine. If that happens Russia would be within striking distance incase war breaks out.. That my friend is what Putin is standing up against because when Russia was invaded during WWII the Adolf Hitler invaded Ukraine and attacked Russia from there..It is not a crime to defend ur country against external aggression.. And for the record Putin can nuke Europe and nothing will happen.. Russia successfully annexed Crimea and also invaded Georgia a.d nothing happened.. This should enlighten you sir..
Putin is the aggressor here, just stop it please America and its allies are not begging Ukraine to join NATO, Ukraine wants to join so as to protect its sovereignty and prevent another crimes and believe me Putin is not foolish enough to nuke Europe and expect nothing to happen
You don't like russians because they oppress sovereign nations? I challenge you to go and start reading the history of USA. I almost guarantee you that you will start liking the russians, as do I. Because like you, I used to be brainwashed into thinking the russians are the bad guys.
The USA did much, much worse than Russia is currently doing. The western media's tries to cover all of it and I'll tell you they actually succeeded. But then, if you go deep, you will definitely see books or even articles that explain their brutal history.
Anyway, since you claim russia doesn't respect other countries sovereignty. Let me give you a few examples of when USA attempted and did far worse of what Russia is currently doing with Ukraine. USA even killed their own citizens to make it seem like it is other "sovereign" countries that did it, to justify invasion.
in 1898, for instance, the US exploded USS Maine in Havana killing 266 American mariners to blame and declaring war on Spain.
Please I advice you to Google operation north woods. Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against American citizens that originated within the US Department of Defense of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the CIA operatives to both stage and actually commit acts of terrorism against American military and civilian targets , blaming them on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. Ukraine...sound familiar??
Now you see that Cuba that I mentioned? That country Don see hell fire for USA hand. I'm willing to write about the suffering that was meted upon them by USA, but I'll leave that for another day. Let me talk about NATO, USA, RUSSIA & UKRAINE.
So many of you nairalanders actually think Russia is the aggressor and the cause of the current tension. Well that is false! NATO and the USA are both the problem. Here do you know why? Well, the West been led by the USA had been expanding its DS Military infrastructure footprint throughout Europe; deploying NATO nuclear missiles, U.S. missile defense systems and special forces along Russia’s doorstep. Putin hasn’t been toppling governments in Eastern Europe, installing proxies, or deploying Russian missiles and Soviet defense systems. As you nairalanders make it seem. It’s been the West, moving East. Since the end of the Cold War, the West has been systematically cutting Russia off from the rest of the world, using NATO.
What’s happening in Ukraine today is the same thing that happened in 1962 during the Cuban Missile Crisis. please go and read about the Cuban missile crisis if you can. America put nuclear missiles in Italy and Turkey. The Soviet Union ‘RESPONDED’ by putting missiles in the Caribbean (via submarines) and Cuba. America learned about the Soviet missiles in the Caribbean and Cuba and freaked out bc of the extremely close proximity of the Soviets’ military infrastructure. With Soviet missiles that close, America would not have sufficient time to analyze, evaluate and respond to a potential threat. America went nuts, demanded the Soviets immediately remove the missiles. The Soviets had made the same complaints and demands about America’s nuclear missiles in Italy and Turkey. The United States said those missiles were defensive. After the Soviets responded in kind putting the same in the Caribbean and Cuba, America said the missiles were an aggressive threat. The Cuban Missile Crisis had begun. The Soviets were not the aggressors, they were the respondent. The United States wasn’t having it and began plans to invade Cuba, put 100,000 plus troops on Florida beaches, set up an illegal Naval blockade in the Caribbean blocking all ships from reaching Cuba and the United States, flew Spy Planes over Cuba (which got shot down, killing Air Force Pilot Rudolph Anderson). The U.S. also attacked Soviet submarines which were lawfully patrolling in international water and hadn’t fired on anyone. Pretty hypocritical, right? The Soviets were simply responding in kind, and refused to back down. In the end, in order to avoid nuclear war, America agreed to remove its nuclear missiles from Italy and Turkey, and thereafter the Soviets agreed to remove its missiles from Cuba, restoring the status quo and balance of power to the position the parties were in before America dramatically expanded its military footprint. Today, we see the EXACT SAME scenario happening. The West has been building up its NATO footprint, putting NATO weapons, nuclear missiles, missile defense systems and special forces in former Soviet states. Ukraine, Georgia, Kazakhstan we’re a step too far for Putin inasmuch as this is literally on the doorstep of Russia. Putin has amassed his extraordinary military machinery and has told the world that NATO missiles are NOT going into Ukraine. Putin has also demanded the West remove its missiles from the former Soviet states surrounding Russia. Sound familiar! Putin will win this battle, NATO and the rest of the world will agree to restore the status quo and remove NATO missiles. If the Biden / NATO missiles currently on their way actually enter Ukraine, you will see Putin respond with the use of his vast military.
America cannot win Russia in a war. This is the fact. America should face their country and leave europe alone. If a war happens, it will affect europe more. America is too far. Let them stop peddling in other countries.
Krismas: In a nutshell, u saying THERE IS NOTHING WRONG IN WESTERN MISSILES BEING CLOSE TO RUSSIA and that RUSSIA IS A BULLY FOR MAKING SUCH COMPLAINS? U are out of your mind
And when the USSR pitched their tents and nukes in Cuba decades ago, the same America went nuts lol.
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The character and power you people attribute to Putin is exaggerated.
It is not exaggerated, listen to his last public statement and how he shamed the French president publicly. Putin publicly dared the whole of NATO by telling them there's never going to be a winner in the war he's bringing to them. That sounds like a man who's not going to win and lose. To make you understand, imagine Mourinho's Chelsea playing against Gurdiola's Barca few years ago, injuries go too plenty, na wetin Putin dey take threaten them and the all understand
Awon weree de o. Wednesday ko January ni. If Putin does not invade Wednesday then all the people still believing in the western nonsense propaganda should accept they are all foolish including everyone spreading their news. WATCHING anything western news equals you are foolish. All of you!
Yeah. Putin made it very clear. As long as Ukraine does not join nato(which perhaps is American expansion plans) and South east ukraine(predominatly Russian speaking people, who do not want to be part nato ukraine), they will not invade. The people of donbas are been denied the right to self determination.
okeysoninv: if us agree to this then they should also be ready to surrender east Germany, Poland , Baltic and Eastern Europe to Russia . Russia is a bully nation. They are shouting they don't want missile in Ukraine. Is missiles not stationed in Baltic countries and Poland which are close proximity to Russia. Why not Russia demand Japan dismantle America missiles in Japan which shares border with Russia. Well, I blamed Ukraine is for not being able to develop nuke weapons, that's the language Putin understand. America and Western nations are sisi too. Look at the way Russia is bullying of them.
I agree with you and Ukraine had nukes back then they handed it over to Russia at the end of the Soviet Union
In a nutshell, u saying THERE IS NOTHING WRONG IN WESTERN MISSILES BEING CLOSE TO RUSSIA and that RUSSIA IS A BULLY FOR MAKING SUCH COMPLAINS? U are out of your mind
I do not believe there will be war just yet. Cos the prophecy says it’s the period a WOMAN WILL BE PRESIDENT OF AMERICA that the nation will be destroyed