Karnice600:


Enlightened? funny.
No country is a saint. Not even the Scandinavians. Listen..,
Sometime ago, somewhere in Lagos, I was a kid, playing around with peers. Then we had this calm 'Aboki' who traded sweets, snacks , in their usual way. He was so free with us such that we could play around him, irrespective of the age difference. I found myself asking him some questions one evening. I called him abokina and he snapped back. He said he wasn't abokina cos he's not a Nigerian, but a Nigerien from Niger Republic. I asked him why he prefers trading in Nigeria and he said Niger was poor with few opportunities, that only the 'Gadaffi boys' enjoy because they had money. I got more inquisitive and asked him who the 'Gadaffi boys' were and why he wasn't one of them. He said he used to be one of them but gave it up because of his conscience. He explained how they were routinely sent weapons in trucks, stuffed in bags containing market wares and huge sums of dollars as compensation. Their jobs were to move into in the Nothern part of Nigeria, (since they already had strong religious affiliations and inter-married themselves,) move into churches or homes in the of the opposite faith and massacre them. He said he had witness his fellows kill children and mothers, and couldn't bear it anymore so he had to seek for greener pastures outside the country. I asked him about the Gadaffi he was referring to and he asked me how many I've heard of. Then Moamar Gadaffi of Libya was still alive. He made it clear he was referring to the Libyan president at the time. My view about Gadaffi immediately changed. Each time I saw his picture on the papers, I saw a demon.
Later on in the future, I see so many people saying Gadaffi was a sound leader that got killed by the West. I hear things like Libya was doing fine until the wicked West took out a prosperous Gadaffi. No one ever saw him to be a Jihadist.
Bottom line is, the West spy on the world with great precision and accuracy. They may not come up plain to give clear proofs about certain issues, but intelligence gathered decides what next step they take on issues. That's why up till date, the US body language can't be understood. They're always sending mixed signals, because they work with other facts and information that the majority misrepresents, misunderstands, overlook or undermine.
Every country have her evils. The US , Russia or China. Run a check, most Nigerians who prefer a Chinese or Russian Super power, likely supported PMB before now...
You can't paint America darker than she is. The healthy minds know this, that the US is the best evil to have among the three.
One more thing, the contention between the
West and Russia or China is more of sustaining and expanding ideologies. Forget all the NATO bla bla. The world learnt from Adolf Hitler, that with an authoritarian state as a super power, the world will return to the barbaric age of land grabbings and other primitive aggressions. Free Journalism would be threatened. Liberalism would be silenced. Any form of Authoritarian government is a threat to the free world as she keeps expanding militarily or economically. Curbing this is what America stands for. They'll apply every measure they can, even if it means playing out of the rules.
If you hate them for that, well its your choice, not a fact.

Wow, I like this. But inasmuch as no country is a saint, concerning this issue, we should know the US is going somewhere somehow.
Let's discuss what this same US did to Cuba, they planned to kill the president with bombing seashells, or a poisoned swimsuit which they would give as a gift. Pretty great, right?
Eisenhower, Kennedy, Dulles and others did pretty much bad, but, well, as you said, no country is a saint,but why are the US trying to establish bases in former Soviet nations.

I am not very much in support of any nation because I am not really interested by any way, but the US are on the edge of fiascoing the world if they continue their cunning ways

EmmanuelBlaze04:

Wow, I like this. But inasmuch as no country is a saint, concerning this issue, we should know the US is going somewhere somehow.
Let's discuss what this same US did to Cuba, they planned to kill the president with bombing seashells, or a poisoned swimsuit which they would give as a gift. Pretty great, right?
Eisenhower, Kennedy, Dulles and others did pretty much bad, but, well, as you said, no country is a saint,but why are the US trying to establish bases in former Soviet nations.

I am not very much in support of any nation because I am not really interested by any way, but the US are on the edge of fiascoing the world if they continue their cunning ways

Okay, I mentioned something about ideology. If Australia or Canada becomes powerful militarily or economically today, the US would never challenge them, or see them as a threat in any way. Why? because she knows her interest in core pivotal issues would be protected due to having similar ideologies. Fidel Castro was an authoritarian, under a communist structure. Same ideology as the Soviets, hence the eyes of US were on him.
The US is one of the few countries today that carry futuristic views about any decision they take or occurrence going on around the globe.
Live and let live doesn't apply here. Its about staying preemptive on curbing systems that may yyundermine democratic practices.

doggedfighter:



The character and power you people attribute to Putin is exaggerated.

Exaggerated? Really? Then let u.s.a counter Russia militarily rather than begging Putin on phone

MangekyoAlt:

You don't like russians because they oppress sovereign nations? I c with the use of his vast military.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwWW3sbk4EU

Lalasticlacla, Mynd44 move to fp for people to be enlightened

Dude, always enjoying your posts on mother Russia tell dem, clear dia doubts

okeysoninv:
oga we are talking about nuke bomber and nuclear capable ballistic missiles .

Oga madam, am talking about s400. It's an air defense system. It's equivalent to Western THAAD, though it's considered more sophisticated as it can even detect stealth objects. It can engage threats 400k kilometers away, can also engage upto 80 terminals simultaneously. Thank u.

nijanigga:

Too many educated illiterate in Nigeria

. My educated friend, I was hoping u say sth, but u said nothing. What is s400? Wisest fool!

doggedfighter:



The character and power you people attribute to Putin is exaggerated.

Isn't it obvious? Major media houses named him as the most powerful man on earth ahead of the US president.
If you must blame someone, blame the western media and politicians.
The whole Europe shitting in their pants right now because of Putin.

Vickyvice:
what. Tryna say is them born Russia well they should fire just one bullet, and see d end or russia. China and that midget Kim Jon un of north Korea go pee in pant. Comparing Russia to u.s is same as Tyson fury and a.j
They are no and will never be mates

Funny thing, no one would live to see it, let alone tell the tales.

https://russia-insider.com/en
This link up here is an alternative to CNN and BBC bullshit. You guys should go and learn

Wawelexy:


Even the us military would dare not say this thing u just typed.... Tell me why biden is tryna withdraw all his citizens in Ukraine? Seems u don't understand what we saying here, MASSIVE destruction ahead, as in, not as if we re debating on who would win but both parties would be hit badly if not the world at large...

Facts: Biden said Americans in Ukraine should leave when they can because rescue missions in a war where Russia is directly involved will lead to a world war.
This says a lot. The US is not ready to engage Russia because they know it'll be catastrophic.

VirileNelly2420:
Oga madam, am talking about s400. It's an air defense system. It's equivalent to Western THAAD, though it's considered more sophisticated as it can even detect stealth objects. It can engage threats 400k kilometers away, can also engage upto 80 terminals simultaneously. Thank u.

lol, we are talking about aggressor which is Russia, that not only deployed s400, but nuke bomber and nuclear capable iskander ballistic missiles in Syria. which bordered nato country. then go and around crying murder for Poland Patriot missile. Russia mafians are idiots. did nato brink eyes when they deployed s400, nuclear bomber and nuclear iskander missiles with 500km range to Syria?

Cheapgadget:
Stories, if Russia fail to attack then I know they are cowards

they already did in 2014 when they annexed Crimea your u.s.a did nada

Invitationn:

Facts: Biden said Americans in Ukraine should leave when they can because rescue missions in a war where Russia is directly involved will lead to a world war.
This says a lot. The US is not ready to engage Russia because they know it'll be catastrophic.

This is what people fail to understand....

Karnice600:


Okay, I mentioned something about ideology. If Australia or Canada becomes powerful militarily or economically today, the US would never challenge them, or see them as a threat in any way. Why? because she knows her interest in core pivotal issues would be protected due to having similar ideologies. Fidel Castro was an authoritarian, under a communist structure. Same ideology as the Soviets, hence the eyes of US were on him.
The US is one of the few countries today that carry futuristic views about any decision they take or occurrence going on around the globe.
Live and let live doesn't apply here. Its about staying preemptive on curbing systems that may yyundermine democratic practices.

Well, to say, this is the truth though, and, identical ideologies, of course, leads to bribdingnag alliances, guess that explains why Castro easily allied with krushkchev....but partially claimed he did because of “ what the US has done to them the past 60 years”.

I won't enquivocate though, you said the truth.

But somehow I believe the US is trying to cut Russia's power after the division of Soviet Union and the abrupt end of Cold War

damn! i like the guy sha.

tunjijones:


Putin no send anybody

okeysoninv:
lol, we are talking about aggressor which is Russia, that not only deployed s400, but nuke bomber and nuclear capable iskander ballistic missiles in Syria. which bordered nato country. then go and around crying murder for Poland Patriot missile. Russia mafians are idiots. did nato brink eyes when they deployed s400, nuclear bomber and nuclear iskander missiles with 500km range to Syria?

plz I don't believe Russia to b d aggressor. I still remember reading where Putin was asked about his take on d US having several aircraft carrier while Russia has just one. He said, since Russia has no intention of invading other states, their concern is how to get d aircraft carriers sunk. Dats why Russia's military ideology mainly focused on missiles and nukes. Russia is only protecting it's territory from d real aggressor!!!

So, all diz sophiscated military arms US produce, what are they for? 11 aircraft carrier, lots of nukes and missiles, uncountable war jets.

Ok, their was disarmament, to end d production of weapon of mass destruction. So if I may ask, d sophistication of dis recent f35, 5 of it simultaneously can even cause more mehem dan d so called nuclear weaponss. Oh, I even learnt it's also empowered wit thermonuclear bomb.

VirileNelly2420:
plz I don't believe Russia to b d aggressor. I still remember reading where Putin was asked about his take on d US having several aircraft carrier while Russia has just one. He said, since Russia has no intention of invading other states, their concern is how to get d aircraft carriers sunk. Dats why Russia's military ideology mainly focused on missiles and nukes. Russia is only protecting it's territory from d real aggressor!!!

So, all diz sophiscated military arms US produce, what are they for? 11 aircraft carrier, lots of nukes and missiles, uncountable war jets.

Ok, their was disarmament, to end d production of weapon of mass destruction. So if I may ask, d sophistication of dis recent f35, 5 of it simultaneously can even cause more mehem dan d so called nuclear weaponss. Oh, I even learnt it's also empowered wit thermonuclear bomb.

Putin the devil can deceive you not me. Russia that is enmassing large caches of nuclear weapons. are they for fancy. what about the recent hypersonic missiles, what about undersea torpedo robot. those ones are for cartoon abi. all Russia weapons are for USA annihilation. I have never seen any products made by Russia but all you hear from that country is weapons up on weapons. a poor country like should channel their energy in lifting their poor citizens out of poverty.

Karnice600:


Okay, I mentioned something about ideology. If Australia or Canada becomes powerful militarily or economically today, the US would never challenge them, or see them as a threat in any way. Why? because she knows her interest in core pivotal issues would be protected due to having similar ideologies. Fidel Castro was an authoritarian, under a communist structure. Same ideology as the Soviets, hence the eyes of US were on him.
The US is one of the few countries today that carry futuristic views about any decision they take or occurrence going on around the globe.
Live and let live doesn't apply here. Its about staying preemptive on curbing systems that may yyundermine democratic practices.

Futuristic views, like the birthing of Al Qaeda? Training of freedom fighters ( terrorists) mujahideens to fight the Soviet. So much for been futuristic.

Krismas:
Really? Then how come the Vikings didn’t know about America also?

The wind drove the Vikings to the wrong side of the planet nau!

EmmanuelBlaze04:


Well, to say, this is the truth though, and, identical ideologies, of course, leads to bribdingnag alliances, guess that explains why Castro easily allied with krushkchev....but partially claimed he did because of “ what the US has done to them the past 60 years”.

I won't enquivocate though, you said the truth.

But somehow I believe the US is trying to cut Russia's power after the division of Soviet Union and the abrupt end of Cold War

The US knows that whoever wields a huge military force has a say in the world order and affairs. Russia is economically average or more or less salvaged, but her huge nuclear arsenals and equipped military give her a seat on the forefront with the determiners of the world order.
To push your ideology farther, you need a formidable military. Even if you're peacefully doing so, you still need Military capacity and stamina to withstand pushes or scare them off.
Every Authoritarian rule is a time bomb waiting to explode. God created the earth with creatures in it to play free roles. Nature itself is democratic. Even God allow man to make his choices, though the consequences is what he also bears after. The West know this, so they simply wait for authoritarian systems to start shaking. Usually its either some groups get fed up of the man in power due to long periods of rule or he comes up with a decree that may not be okay with some minority..etc..
The moment the in fighting begins, the US steps in and supplies the factions with firearms and the aim is achieved. People don't see this. They only know the US backed and sponsored rebels. Is this justified in any way if you ask me, No.
China is also sitting on a time bomb with the CCP. Its a matter of time. Rapid rise to rapid fall. Its not sustainable. I've read so many articles on this, but its a topic for another day.
So its simple to say the US fights Authoritarian influence, whenever it starts increasing. They also fight religious extremism that threatens human security. This resolve become more firm after September 11.

Looking plainly at Ukrain joining NATO, its an unfair advantage for the US, but Russia is not just doing this because of NATO. Its just an excuse from Putin to work out some laid scripts.

seunny4lif:

Read about Afghan before typing
The Afghan government invited USSR just like Syria government invite Russia
It was even part of the documents CIA released

Lol, ya they invited USSR to come and invade them.

okeysoninv:
Putin the devil can deceive you not me. Russia that is enmassing large caches of nuclear weapons. are they for fancy. what about the recent hypersonic missiles, what about undersea torpedo robot. those ones are for cartoon abi. all Russia weapons are for USA annihilation. I have never seen any products made by Russia but all you hear from that country is weapons up on weapons. a poor country like should channel their energy in lifting their poor citizens out of poverty.

hmmm, Russia isn't poor, don't b decieved. Also, there's wots called comparative advantage. That is, there's sth u're good at, focus on it and b good at it. So, they are gud in security/military gadgets. Machinery. Fashion and clothing. Russia is also blessed wit lots of mineral resources. If u don't know about dem plz make use of ur Google. Dey are known wit quality. 5 World super powers; Britain, US, China, Russia, France.

VirileNelly2420:
hmmm, Russia isn't poor, don't b decieved. Also, there's wots called comparative advantage. That is, there's sth u're good at, focus on it and b good at it. So, they are gud in security/military gadgets. Machinery. Fashion and clothing. Russia is also blessed wit lots of mineral resources. If u don't know about dem plz make use of ur Google. Dey are known wit quality. 5 World super powers; Britain, US, China, Russia, France.

lol, how many Russians earns 1000dollars per month. ever since you were born have you seen Russia made items that's is not a weapon. The rogue nation is all about after weapons upon weapons. yes they have minerals been controlled by oligarchies why the common citizens are in abject poverty.

okeysoninv:
lol, how many Russians earns 1000dollars per month. ever since you were born have you seen Russia made items that's is not a weapon. The rogue nation is all about after weapons upon weapons. yes they have minerals been controlled by oligarchies why the common citizens are in abject poverty.

u're being too funny!!! U're just a Nigerian. Nigerian mainly consume Chinese products but dat doesn't mean other countries don't produce. Dey have countries day have economic ties wit.

Also, are u ruling out services? Must it b just goods? US make phones (tangible product) while India makes most of d apps(intangible products) dey use. Ur type will still neglect d impact and contribution of India in dis scenario.

If tangible products make a country rich, plz how many Qatar or Kuwait products do u have at ur disposal, or will u now say these countries are poor??

Use ur head for once naa.

VirileNelly2420:
u're being too funny!!! U're just a Nigerian. Nigerian mainly consume Chinese products but dat doesn't mean other countries don't produce. Dey have countries day have economic ties wit.

Also, are u ruling out services? Must it b just goods? US make phones (tangible product) while India makes most of d apps(intangible products) dey use. Ur type will still neglect d impact and contribution of India in dis scenario.

If tangible products make a country rich, plz how many Qatar or Kuwait products do u have at ur disposal, or will u now say these countries are poor??

Use ur head for once naa.

talking rubbish, I am asking u can you name any Russia product known worldwide. your talking about Qatar and Kuwait that are being developed by the west. if not oil and gas who knows Qatar and Kuwait. Tesla and apple alone is bigger than Russia GDP.

okeysoninv:
talking rubbish, I am asking u can you name any Russia product known worldwide. your talking about Qatar and Kuwait that are being developed by the west. if not oil and gas who knows Qatar and Kuwait. Tesla and apple alone is bigger than Russia GDP.

so, wots d difference? U said Russia is poor and broke, and is gud at notin apart from arms and weapons. U asked of there known products around d world.

So I ask, having known dat Qatar and Kuwait are rich countries, mention any of their products both wit u and around d world.

U said d west is developing Qatar and Kuwait, how? As in, for free?? Gosh!!! Plz how old are u??

Diz are d real OPEC nations. People blessed wit abundant oil just like Nigeria, bt den, dey decided to b judicious wit their wealth & resources, also Russia! ...unlike 9ja.

Plz stop exposing ur ignorance. Am done replying u.

okeysoninv:
talking rubbish, I am asking u can you name any Russia product known worldwide. your talking about Qatar and Kuwait that are being developed by the west. if not oil and gas who knows Qatar and Kuwait. Tesla and apple alone is bigger than Russia GDP.

Also, wot has Tesla and apple to do wit wot we toking about? Who even own Tesla by d way, no b Elon musk of South Africa?

Or are u now trying to bring US and Russia comparison into dis discussion? Certainly US is far richer. So, wots more?

MangekyoAlt:

You don't like russians because they oppress sovereign nations? I challenge you to go and start reading the history of USA. I almost guarantee you that you will start liking the russians, as do I. Because like you, I used to be brainwashed into thinking the russians are the bad guys.

The USA did much, much worse than Russia is currently doing. The western media's tries to cover all of it and I'll tell you they actually succeeded. But then, if you go deep, you will definitely see books or even articles that explain their brutal history.

Anyway, since you claim russia doesn't respect other countries sovereignty. Let me give you a few examples of when USA attempted and did far worse of what Russia is currently doing with Ukraine. USA even killed their own citizens to make it seem like it is other "sovereign" countries that did it, to justify invasion.

in 1898, for instance, the US exploded USS Maine in Havana killing 266 American mariners to blame and declaring war on Spain.

Please I advice you to Google operation north woods. Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against American citizens that originated within
the US Department of Defense of the United States government in 1962.
The proposals called for the CIA operatives to both stage and actually commit acts of terrorism against American military and civilian targets , blaming them on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. Ukraine...sound familiar??

Now you see that Cuba that I mentioned? That country Don see hell fire for USA hand. I'm willing to write about the suffering that was meted upon them by USA, but I'll leave that for another day. Let me talk about NATO, USA, RUSSIA & UKRAINE.

So many of you nairalanders actually think Russia is the aggressor and the cause of the current tension. Well that is false! NATO and the USA are both the problem. Here do you know why? Well, the West been led by the USA had been expanding its DS Military infrastructure footprint throughout Europe; deploying NATO nuclear missiles, U.S. missile defense systems and special forces along Russia’s doorstep.
Putin hasn’t been toppling governments in Eastern Europe, installing proxies, or deploying Russian missiles and Soviet defense systems. As you nairalanders make it seem. It’s been the West, moving East. Since the end of the Cold War, the West has been systematically cutting Russia off from the rest of the world, using NATO.

What’s happening in Ukraine today is the same thing that happened in 1962 during the Cuban Missile Crisis. please go and read about the Cuban missile crisis if you can. America put nuclear missiles in Italy and Turkey. The Soviet Union ‘RESPONDED’ by putting missiles in the Caribbean (via submarines) and Cuba.
America learned about the Soviet missiles in the Caribbean and Cuba and freaked out bc of the extremely close proximity of the Soviets’ military infrastructure. With Soviet missiles that close, America would not have sufficient time to analyze, evaluate and respond to a potential threat. America went nuts, demanded the Soviets immediately remove the missiles.
The Soviets had made the same complaints and demands about America’s nuclear missiles in Italy and Turkey. The United States said those missiles were defensive. After the Soviets responded in kind putting the same in the Caribbean and Cuba, America said the missiles were an aggressive threat.
The Cuban Missile Crisis had begun. The Soviets were not the aggressors, they were the respondent.
The United States wasn’t having it and began plans to invade Cuba, put 100,000 plus troops on Florida beaches, set up an illegal Naval blockade in the Caribbean blocking all ships from reaching Cuba and the United States, flew Spy Planes over Cuba (which got shot down, killing Air Force Pilot Rudolph Anderson). The U.S. also attacked Soviet submarines which were lawfully patrolling in international water and hadn’t fired on anyone.
Pretty hypocritical, right?
The Soviets were simply responding in kind, and refused to back down. In the end, in order to avoid nuclear war, America agreed to remove its nuclear missiles from Italy and Turkey, and thereafter the Soviets agreed to remove its missiles from Cuba, restoring the status quo and balance of power to the position the parties were in before America dramatically expanded its military footprint.
Today, we see the EXACT SAME scenario happening. The West has been building up its NATO footprint, putting NATO weapons, nuclear missiles, missile defense systems and special forces in former Soviet states.
Ukraine, Georgia, Kazakhstan we’re a step too far for Putin inasmuch as this is literally on the doorstep of Russia.
Putin has amassed his extraordinary military machinery and has told the world that NATO missiles are NOT going into Ukraine. Putin has also demanded the West remove its missiles from the former Soviet states surrounding Russia.
Sound familiar!
Putin will win this battle, NATO and the rest of the world will agree to restore the status quo and remove NATO missiles. If the Biden / NATO missiles currently on their way actually enter Ukraine, you will see Putin respond with the use of his vast military.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwWW3sbk4EU

Lalasticlacla, Mynd44 move to fp for people to be enlightened

This is why i still visit nairaland

[quote author=seunny4lif post=110188333]USA intelligent reports
Russia have said she will not invade unless Ukraine join NATO or Ukraine attack Russian speakers in the east Ukraine.
USA want this war to sell her own weapons
Same reports that told us:
1. Talibans can’t take out Kabul
2. Saddam has WMD
3. Vietnam can’t fall to communist
4. Syria president will fall within a week in Aug 2015
5. Said Russia have no capacity to help Syria in same Aug 2015, only for Russia to deploy troops in sept 2015
6. Failed in Cuba many times
7. Failed in Venezuela

[/quote

I like those that see patterns and identify them.
You have eyes bro but majority have been blinded by the media

Kaysalas:
they already did in 2014 when they annexed Crimea your u.s.a did nada

They annexed Crimea in retaliation to CIA and Obama administration installing poroshenko as the new president who is pro West and the aim is to plant military base in Ukraine.

Eisenhower:

They annexed Crimea in retaliation to CIA and Obama administration installing poroshenko as the new president who is pro West and the aim is to plant military base in Ukraine.

I assume you are with me on the Might of Russia and the U.S.A being unable to tackle mother Russia?

Everyone should read the book Prisoners of Geography by Tim Marshall. Chapter one will help you understand what's going on in Crimea. I will borrow a quote from the book. Ukraine should remember that Washington is thousands of miles away while Russia is next door. Hopefully the Ukrainian political leaders take the hint and reduce the over paddy paddy with the US.