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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:35pm On Feb 15, 2022
Karlovych:
Once again you come up with statements like right factors like its some kind of console and you are the one that decides it. If there is a right factor why are players who are "one season" wonders under the same manager and with the same team and players surrounding them.

I don't know how else I can explain such a simple points. There are favorable conditions that bring out the best in players.

Simon Moses looked poor under Rohr's tactics but flourished under Eguavoen's tactics.

So the tactics and other factors can hamper a players quality.

I wonder what you are typing above.

The point is simple. Players quality and talent can be hampered by other factors.

Finito.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:36pm On Feb 15, 2022
Karlovych:
You labeled him a flop at Juventus but when you check his stats in the 6 months he spent there it says otherwise regardless of the position he played in

I did not label Henry a flop. He flopped at Juventus. Even Henry knows he flopped. He was sold as a flop. This is not about reading stats online. Google Henry flop at Juventus and you will see it is common knowledge.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:39pm On Feb 15, 2022
Karlovych:
This your analysis is pointless, what do you mean that situations can make a play look poor? As if it is not situations that make players look good as well.
You labeled his decent Stat at man utd flop but you fail to use the same bar for the players you constantly hype here.


The point is too simple. Alex Ferguson changed Cristiano Ronaldo's role in Manchester United and his goal scoring form reduced.

It is a simple point that you can not debate.

Working conditions can affect a worker's performance positively or negatively.

Conditions are important for success.

Finito.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:43pm On Feb 15, 2022
elyte89:



So u can't use d same leg to stand behind henry and forlan...abi u don cut DT same leg
Mr soakup grin

If you bothered to read my previous posts, you will understand the point. Let me summarize.

I learnt the importance of tactics and position when it concerns players success from Arsene Wenger who brought a flop Henry and he became a success. One of the best in football history.

Because of that, even though Forlan was having a bad time in Manchester United, I believed with the right role and run of games he will flourish.

Pellegrini gave him that and he shined bright.

That is why when Iheanacho was having a bad time with Leicester City, I said Shakespeare's tactics was the problem. Nacho excelled with a change of tactics.

Just like my criticism of Rohr's tactics that he was hampering the players and Eguavoen's tactics made the players perform better.

Finito.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by 13large: 3:29pm On Feb 15, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


If you bothered to read my previous posts, you will understand the point. Let me summarize.

I learnt the importance of tactics and position when it concerns players success from Arsene Wenger who brought a flop Henry and he became a success. One of the best in football history.

Because of that, even though Forlan was having a bad time in Manchester United, I believed with the right role and run of games he will flourish.

Pellegrini gave him that and he shined bright.

That is why when Iheanacho was having a bad time with Leicester City, I said Shakespeare's tactics was the problem. Nacho excelled with a change of tactics.

Just like my criticism of Rohr's tactics that he was hampering the players and Eguavoen's tactics made the players perform better.

Finito.

The same Rohr that all of you slander performed 3x better than Eguavoen and you people still do not give him credit

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Karlovych: 3:30pm On Feb 15, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


I don't know how else I can explain such a simple points. There are favorable conditions that bring out the best in players.

Simon Moses looked poor under Rohr's tactics but flourished under Eguavoen's tactics.

So the tactics and other factors can hamper a players quality.

I wonder what you are typing above.

The point is simple. Players quality and talent can be hampered by other factors.

Finito.
This right here is trash, you failed to note the number of games played under Rohr compared to Eguavoen for your analysis to be unbiased.
You also seem to forget that things like indiscipline can also make someone useless.
Ravel Morrison and Balotelli come to mind.
If a player is in a favorable condition but is not hard working there is no way they can deliver decent output

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Karlovych: 3:31pm On Feb 15, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


The point is too simple. Alex Ferguson changed Cristiano Ronaldo's role in Manchester United and his goal scoring form reduced.

It is a simple point that you can not debate.

Working conditions can affect a worker's performance positively or negatively.

Conditions are important for success.

Finito.
You have nothing to back up that your assertion, did he change his role to what?? You failed to mention the role he changed it to like your regular generic statements.
Which role did Ferguson change Ronaldo to and his goal scoring form reduced? Who replaced him in the role when he was removed?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Papi85: 3:34pm On Feb 15, 2022
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Papi85: 3:36pm On Feb 15, 2022
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Papi85: 3:39pm On Feb 15, 2022
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:16pm On Feb 15, 2022
Karlovych:
You have nothing to back up that your assertion, did he change his role to what?? You failed to mention the role he changed it to like your regular generic statements.
Which role did Ferguson change Ronaldo to and his goal scoring form reduced? Who replaced him in the role when he was removed?


This is just argument. I will just summarize this that Ferguson switched the role of CR7 and Rooney and Ronaldo's goal scoring rate dropped.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:18pm On Feb 15, 2022
Karlovych:
This right here is trash, you failed to note the number of games played under Rohr compared to Eguavoen for your analysis to be unbiased.
You also seem to forget that things like indiscipline can also make someone useless.
Ravel Morrison and Balotelli come to mind.
If a player is in a favorable condition but is not hard working there is no way they can deliver decent output


So you agree other factors can affect players performance but want to spend time arguing.

If a player is hard working and in an unfavorable condition, his performance will diminish. As I said it is just a simple fact.

Finito.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:19pm On Feb 15, 2022
13large:


The same Rohr that all of you slander performed 3x better than Eguavoen and you people still do not give him credit


Perform better in what context. A team can play poorly and advance in a stage, that is not performing better.

By the way, it is not a slander of Rohr but his tactics being unfavorable to players.

Finito.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:49pm On Feb 15, 2022
Throwback to 1999. This is about Martin Palermo, one of the hyped young strikers from Boca Juniors. In the Copa America, he had three penalties in one game and missed all. I believe this shattered his confidence. Even Pellegrini brought him to Villareal but he never had that spark again.

Indeed, 1999-2000 era was an era that produced real great talents.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPT4Vmhh458

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Tchinaidi(m): 5:07pm On Feb 15, 2022
I wonder why we can't source for a good attacking midfielder in our league that we can groom into the super eagle team of our dreams.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Papi85: 5:12pm On Feb 15, 2022

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAht9yb3qbE

Kevin schade, Freiburg and german u21 forward. Has Nigerian father and a german mother. Pacy and tricky forward, similar to Leroy Sané. One to watch out for

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Zanistico: 5:15pm On Feb 15, 2022
mostob:
Onyedika

Alhassan Yusuf

Nwobodo

Yet we're after Eze and Olise begging them.
For club football, money and other things might be the motivation but for country, it's passion.
At the end of the day, these FBs will be playing for us out of pity and not for love and passion.
Eze and Olise are more creative than the people you named. We need creative midfielders. Nwobodo has been converted to a CM.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Papi85: 5:19pm On Feb 15, 2022
Zanistico:

Eze and Olise are more creative than the people you named. We need creative midfielders. Nwobodo has been converted to a CM.
bonke is better than him

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 5:23pm On Feb 15, 2022
TheGoodJoe:
Throwback to 1999. This is about Martin Palermo, one of the hyped young strikers from Boca Juniors. In the Copa America, he had three penalties in one game and missed all. I believe this shattered his confidence. Even Pellegrini brought him to Villareal but he never had that spark again.

Indeed, 1999-2000 era was an era that produced real great talents.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPT4Vmhh458

After this 3pk missed he didn’t play for Argentina for about 10 years ,but I remembered Diego maradona taking him to the 2010 World Cup or so

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Papi85: 5:52pm On Feb 15, 2022
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Papi85: 5:55pm On Feb 15, 2022
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 5:55pm On Feb 15, 2022
Papi85:
bonke is better than him
better than Nwobodo? Have you watch both played before
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 5:56pm On Feb 15, 2022
Zanistico:

Eze and Olise are more creative than the people you named. We need creative midfielders. Nwobodo has been converted to a CM.
Not disputing that chief but those two are not ready to play for us.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 6:01pm On Feb 15, 2022
13large:


The same Rohr that all of you slander performed 3x better than Eguavoen and you people still do not give him credit
False equivalence. Has Eguavoen handled the team for 3 years?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 6:02pm On Feb 15, 2022
Tchinaidi:
I wonder why we can't source for a good attacking midfielder in our league that we can groom into the super eagle team of our dreams.
This is funny but continue. Since 1994 we made a shift but continue searching for an AM in our local league.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 6:17pm On Feb 15, 2022
Papi85:
eze never said he is not open to playing for us but said he needed time and made it known that his first option which is his country of birth and to be honest I don’t blame him for making that known

Same goes to olise who also turned the advances of Algeria down same as he did to us buy not shutting the door outright to both nations

It will be a win win situation if both decide to pitch tent with us and I see nothing wrong with the nff and eguavoen trying to revisit their case

The likes of aluko,Moses,aina,ebuehi,amoebi and recently lookman once turned us down with an eye on the national teams of their country of birth but later rescind their decisions

Make we no Dey pass judgement sometimes based of emotions cheesy

First of all Aluko NEVER rejected the offet to play for Nigeria rather Nigeria rejected him , after playing outstandingly for the SE . He was an EPL regular with Hull at the time.

Eze was invited to the NFF party in 2017 he was already showing promise on loan at Wycombe Wanderers and had played for QPR first team.


However, players who had not done as much as him were invited to the SE to play in friendly. And he was essentially forgotten for three years.

However, when he started to "Blow" the NFF remembered that he existed particularly when England called him to join the U21.

He must have had real dilemma who should I pick the ones that forgot me and picked others ahead of me by favouritism not merit and have no integrity and honesty. Ot the ones that pick only by merit and l have very little chance of playing in the senior national team.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 6:20pm On Feb 15, 2022
Mujtahida:

He even said 'very poor Afcon'

Just as I regard komekn's comments on Nwakali as jaundiced so do I regard Idenna's comments on Aribo as one colored by rank prejudice

I want to presume you know the meaning of jaundiced.

Now my opinion is anchored on substantive facts and not optimistic sentiment based preference.

So here is a challenge to tell me something I've said about your can never do wrong Nwakali, just one thing thats UNTRUE please.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 6:23pm On Feb 15, 2022
kingphilip:

He has told you the guy delayed in submitting supporting documents to process the switch earlier which a source in the NFF was quoted and you're asking him what went wrong.

If you feel it wasn't from his end give us reasons why you feel so.

No he did not delay.

The NFF delayed his application for reason best known to them.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Papi85: 6:24pm On Feb 15, 2022
mostob:
better than Nwobodo? Have you watch both played before
yes and bonke is better

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 6:25pm On Feb 15, 2022
TheGoodJoe:


There is nothing comedic. You were talking of players making their luck. I am using one of the greatest the game has ever seen. If he could not make it work for him due to conditions, why do you want someone with less pedigree to make his luck. You are proving my point.

Luck is when an opportunity comes along and you’re prepared for it, says Denzel Washington.


Don't train, don't improve yoursel ,don't add to your existing attributes and wait for luck. tongue

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Papi85: 6:29pm On Feb 15, 2022
komekn:


First of all Aluko NEVER rejected the offet to play for Nigeria rather Nigeria rejected him , after playing outstandingly for the SE . He was an EPL regular with Hull at the time.

Eze was invited to the NFF party in 2017 he was already showing promise on loan at Wycombe Wanderers and had played for QPR first team.


However, players who had not done as much as him were invited to the SE to play in friendly. And he was essentially forgotten for three years.

However, when he started to "Blow" the NFF remembered that he existed particularly when England called him to join the U21.

He must have had real dilemma who should I pick the ones that forgot me and picked others ahead of me by favouritism not merit and have no integrity and honesty. Ot the ones that pick only by merit and l have very little chance of playing in the senior national team.


aluko was first approached when he made his debut for Birmingham as a young star straight from their youth teams 2008 season if am correct

At first he turned down the approach because he was playing for English youth teams them but after a year abi 2 made up his mind to change allegiance to the super eagles when he was with Aberdeen in Scotland

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by 13large: 6:32pm On Feb 15, 2022
Mujtahida:

False equivalence. Has Eguavoen handled the team for 3 years?

On rohr first attempt he qualified us for the ANC 3rd place and qualified us for the World Cup while on egu first attempt we got our worst ANC result in 40 years and imbeciles like you are still talking. Let’s not qualify for the World Cup is when you guys will see my anger. The team is eguavoen inherited was much better than what Rohr inherited in 2016

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