EgunMogaji2:


For living room this are examples of what I've been searching for. However Nigerian Carpenters have gone lazy and prefer to make all these easy to manufacture Babalawo huge sofas instead.

Abudu2000:
is kind of sad that we ourselves who should come together to criticize the govt we are making the govt plan of dividing us to work for them. This is exactly what the govt want, to put suffering into the youths then make them blame each other. In my area for 2weeks now no light, since a week now fuel scarcity. My younger bro was showing me something about making money on TikTok very brilliant idea but how can that happen if no electricity to even power your phone, and yet one is saying the youths can't work. Prior to buhari rigime things wasn't this bad. I know some youths then who swon never to do fraud but this buhari rigime pushed them into something worse than fraud.
Now we have 15-17 yo killing girls for rituals, see what hardship has pushed the youths into. The other day one was caught and he said he sold human head for 7k , only 7k! Killing someone for 7k and doing a 30k job which is easier? You know this prop section is filled with some men kind men who never go under the sun for anything. Talking about proverty here even come as shock to some here because they were from a rich background.

The hardest yoke to break is proverty. If u hear someone say his family is poor and he broke the chain by himself it's pure lie. Proverty takes generations to break from.

May we not find ourselves in situations where we feel we have no other choice than crime.

EgunMogaji2:


For living room this are examples of what I've been searching for. However Nigerian Carpenters have gone lazy and prefer to make all these easy to manufacture Babalawo huge sofas instead.

Godisgreatest1:


I am 98% sure you won't find this in Nigeria. The first reason is because carpenters in Nigeria believe in 'the larger the better'..the second is that they 'love' to copy each other despite the obvious fact that the designs are boring.

I saw a 1 seater sofa that can occupy my entire living room!. Such furniture's are a waste of space and will eventually become habitats for rodents and pests.

I don't know if my choices are weird, because I have been searching for a perfect dinning table set since early 2021?. All I see is marble and more marbles.

Just ask any Nigerian carpenter to show you his samples then you will clearly see their deficiencies, both in terms of imagination and creativity.

finest0007:


This Instagram page may have what you need

https://www.instagram.com/p/CXMJsXCh1En/?utm_medium=copy_link

Or this guy

https://www.instagram.com/p/CZzdQbuM0tz/?utm_medium=copy_link

Or this

https://www.instagram.com/p/CTrFIBUjaWn/?utm_medium=copy_link

michlins:
how many people want minimalistic designs in Nigeria. You folks in this thread are somewhat living outside of reality seriously.

You guys have been berating Nigeria artisans for a few days now. If you think what we're doing is easy, kindly do it. The reason designs are repeated is because that's what our society wants. We want it big or nothing.

Being an artisan in Nigeria is very very difficult. You want to do something different whereas you don't know how the market will accept it and it's not like you have the funds to test new waters. Getting tools is very very expensive and even when you manage to get it, they will still compare your prices with what others are charging thereby demoralizing you.

What is the purchasing power of Nigerians. How many people can afford treated hardwood. The few who could simply would import it from Dubai.

Biko, if you don't want the artisans are currently making, take your own design and give them to make for you or you can simply import same.

. . . Who provoke michlins this lovely evening

michlins:
how many people want minimalistic designs in Nigeria. You folks in this thread are somewhat living outside of reality seriously.

You guys have been berating Nigeria artisans for a few days now. If you think what we're doing is easy, kindly do it. The reason designs are repeated is because that's what our society wants. We want it big or nothing.

Being an artisan in Nigeria is very very difficult. You want to do something different whereas you don't know how the market will accept it and it's not like you have the funds to test new waters. Getting tools is very very expensive and even when you manage to get it, they will still compare your prices with what others are charging thereby demoralizing you.

What is the purchasing power of Nigerians. How many people can afford treated hardwood. The few who could simply would import it from Dubai.

Biko, if you don't want the artisans are currently making, take your own design and give them to make for you or you can simply import same.

bolu1986:


Ogami,

Well said but there is market for everyone...

Was on a site sometimes last year where the tiler minimum charges was 2300 per SQM labour only!! Anything less he wont do it.. you know he has the tools.. and he pay his labourer premium fees..

You just have to identify your own market and stick by it

Godisgreatest1:


I am 98% sure you won't find this in Nigeria. The first reason is because carpenters in Nigeria believe in 'the larger the better'..the second is that they 'love' to copy each other despite the obvious fact that the designs are boring.

I saw a 1 seater sofa that can occupy my entire living room!. Such furniture's are a waste of space and will eventually become habitats for rodents and pests.

I don't know if my choices are weird, because I have been searching for a perfect dinning table set since early 2021?. All I see is marble and more marbles.

Just ask any Nigerian carpenter to show you his samples then you will clearly see their deficiencies, both in terms of imagination and creativity.

bolu1986:


Ogami,

Well said but there is market for everyone...

Was on a site sometimes last year where the tiler minimum charges was 2300 per SQM labour only!! Anything less he wont do it.. you know he has the tools.. and he pay his labourer premium fees..

You just have to identify your own market and stick by it

sonnie10:
Good furniture are not cheap. Bought this set of Bellini for $12k in 2005. Still firm and no scratch till date

somehow:
I wanted to buy some chairs from vava earlier this year, my wife discouraged me due to the cost and said we should build one instead.

We checked various furniture makers, they are mostly displaying their jobs on major highways Lagos-Abeokuta express way etc.

We decided to try out one of those guys displaying good looking chairs.

I gave him specifics, down to using 100% fibre for the covering, do you know that 1 week into delivery (After delaying by 5 days), the arms of at least 2 of the seaters started shaking?

Called him several times to come fix these issues, he kept giving excuses until I stopped calling him.

He even used the wrong color and wanted more money to have the fabrics changed to the color I chose.

There are things I wont be allowing Nigerian artisans handle for me, it's just getting out of hand. Almost all the furniture makers I have patronized for the past 5 years disappointed me one way or the other.

I don't know why this is so, is that that perfection is no longer a yardstick?

Artisans no longer want to stand out or what exactly is happening?

michlins:
sir, it's sad what happened to you but like every business dealings including the ones done here,caveats are included.

Recently, the best way to contract a job is through recommendations.

Trust but verify

michlins:
how many people in Nigeria and this thread can pay such amount for a set of chairs

somehow:
I wanted to buy some chairs from vava earlier this year, my wife discouraged me due to the cost and said we should build one instead.

We checked various furniture makers, they are mostly displaying their jobs on major highways Lagos-Abeokuta express way etc.

We decided to try out one of those guys displaying good looking chairs.

I gave him specifics, down to using 100% fibre for the covering, do you know that 1 week into delivery (After delaying by 5 days), the arms of at least 2 of the seaters started shaking?

Called him several times to come fix these issues, he kept giving excuses until I stopped calling him.

He even used the wrong color and wanted more money to have the fabrics changed to the color I chose.

There are things I wont be allowing Nigerian artisans handle for me, it's just getting out of hand. Almost all the furniture makers I have patronized for the past 5 years disappointed me one way or the other.

I don't know why this is so, is that that perfection is no longer a yardstick?

Artisans no longer want to stand out or what exactly is happening?

somehow:
I wanted to buy some chairs from vava earlier this year, my wife discouraged me due to the cost and said we should build one instead.

We checked various furniture makers, they are mostly displaying their jobs on major highways Lagos-Abeokuta express way etc.

We decided to try out one of those guys displaying good looking chairs.

I gave him specifics, down to using 100% fibre for the covering, do you know that 1 week into delivery (After delaying by 5 days), the arms of at least 2 of the seaters started shaking?

Called him several times to come fix these issues, he kept giving excuses until I stopped calling him.

He even used the wrong color and wanted more money to have the fabrics changed to the color I chose.

There are things I wont be allowing Nigerian artisans handle for me, it's just getting out of hand. Almost all the furniture makers I have patronized for the past 5 years disappointed me one way or the other.

I don't know why this is so, is that that perfection is no longer a yardstick?

Artisans no longer want to stand out or what exactly is happening?

sonnie10:

Because of the argument here, out of curiosity I just googled to check how much the current price of Bellini set of leather furniture is, you won’t believe what I found.
The least one now is about $40k.

somehow:


When it comes to items like furniture, recommendation isn't everything due to the difference in taste.

What is even annoying is the fact that what they display is always good looking compared to what they end up building for you. I then wonder who built the displayed ones.

sonnie10:

Because of the argument here, out of curiosity I just googled to check how much the current price of Bellini set of leather furniture is, you won’t believe what I found.
The least one now is about $40k.

Focusmind:


It is the Nigerian ways of doing things. No attention to details. The "Oga, leave am like that"mentality. Na so we dey do am here.

I am shocked that Michlin could see someone's demand for good workmanship as an attack on Nigerian artisans while he had earlier made comments about how the Beninoise had taken over the plastering business from Nigerians because of poor workmanship.

I can't go below my taste. I will pay you money and demand thorough workmanship. There is nothing like "Nigeria is a difficult place". Every body is facing the same difficulty in his or her trade. That should not be a reason to compromise on quality.

Give them sample of what you want, some would still deliver below standards. Sometimes, it's not about having the correct tools. It's about concentration and cheer determination to deliver first class work.

Michlin, please allow people that demands professionalism to be. Once you have established taste for class, you wouldn't want to go below it.

Somehow, sorry I used your quote to digress.

EgunMogaji2:


It doesn’t have to be Bellini leather. Kano leather is fine and respected worldwide.

For me it’s not cost but keeping an item in stock for a cash and carry deal,

sonnie10:


This information would be of good value to me. I didn't they still produce leather in Kano. The other day I was trying to rationalize that the lack of interest in the leather production industry in Nigeria is because of the price of Kpomo (cow skin meat) which could even be more expensive than and profitable than doing leather.

Focusmind:


It is the Nigerian ways of doing things. No attention to details. The "Oga, leave am like that"mentality. Na so we dey do am here.

I am shocked that Michlin could see someone's demand for good workmanship as an attack on Nigerian artisans while he had earlier made comments about how the Beninoise had taken over the plastering business from Nigerians because of poor workmanship.

I can't go below my taste. I will pay you money and demand thorough workmanship. There is nothing like "Nigeria is a difficult place". Every body is facing the same difficulty in his or her trade. That should not be a reason to compromise on quality.

Give them sample of what you want, some would still deliver below standards. Sometimes, it's not about having the correct tools. It's about concentration and cheer determination to deliver first class work.

Michlin, please allow people that demands professionalism to be. Once you have established taste for class, you wouldn't want to go below it.

Somehow, sorry I used your quote to digress.

EgunMogaji2:


And imagine that some don’t want us to talk about this?

I join you in asking what is happening.

It’s Vava that wants a stupid deposit from me before stocking a regular sale item. It’s stupendous.

michlins:
the samples are done by them. What happens is that there are dubious people who wants to eat today forgetting that they will still go hungry tomorrow.


From your complaints, it's obvious that he used inferior materials to do the job and that's why it started falling apart quite early.

See eh, after your numerous experience with artisans and people, I admire your resolve in still trusting people. You're a good person and I will encourage you to keep being good. at $40,000, they'll see it on the internet and expect you to replicate with Nigeria price.

michlins:
the samples are done by them. What happens is that there are dubious people who wants to eat today forgetting that they will still go hungry tomorrow.


From your complaints, it's obvious that he used inferior materials to do the job and that's why it started falling apart quite early.

See eh, after your numerous experience with artisans and people, I admire your resolve in still trusting people. You're a good person and I will encourage you to keep being good. at $40,000, they'll see it on the internet and expect you to replicate with Nigeria price.