Kellzzyy:

What you are saying isn't rooted in truth.
Most men do not wake up and struggle to make it in life just to have sex.
That's a blatant lie oga.

Martinez39s:


We judge the trend and zeitgeist of a society/civilisation by the trend and zeitgeist of the majority. The outliers might be remarkable exceptions, but they likely do not influence the trajectory of their societies.

Emmynator:

You see that's where you are getting it wrong, you think we are saying a man just sits and say i am going to become successful for pussy (sure a few men do that), and you most likely think women plan their lives in a particular fashion, or that there's a sisterhood somewhere telling women how to get the best out if men. The truth is that women dont sit to plan, neither is there an organized sisterhood. The seemingly existence of the sisterhood, and the female propensity to do certain things is motivated by evolutionary instincts, and it is more important than you think.
For millennias, for a man to successfully reproduce, he must first have a territory and the ability to protect it, creating the best possible environment for his offsprings thrive. This means he gets exclusive access to a woman or women and by extension sex, those who are deemed weak do not enjoy this luxury, as women who are attached to weak men, while lose on the long run, since they will not be protected from danger. In event of a territorial war, where the weak men are killed off, and their wives pawned off to strong men.
As a consequence of this women developed the instincts to want strong men, and men developed the instincts to be strong as a consequence. Man want to continue his legacy and women want to procreate under the best circumstances, and this formed the basis of our intersexual dynamics till this day, men get sex and offsprings in exchange for protection and territory, when the world evolved and being strong was a prerequisite for provision "Alpha fvcks, Beta bvcks" came into being.
Not just evolutionary instincts but also social learning, a child sees the benefit that is accrued to strong men, his evolutionary instincts to be strong is triggered and enhanced too.
Now reducing this to "all men don't say i am going to get rich because of sex", is denying the power of evolutionary instincts and even the redpill by extension, i mean how many times have we pointed to evolutionary instincts when describing female nature. Except you think evolutionary instincts have no effects on men, while it has all the effects on women, which would be false.
Finally, ask yourself why testosterone is the major success driving tool for men, if any if the above statements is false. Do your research on testosterone as a success motivator. Testosterone the same hormones that drives us sexually, also drives us to success, do the maths bro, It's simple, sex and all it's components (procreation and pleasure) are the major motivation for men.

Martinez39s:
Just read the discussion.

(1) The truth is that from the start of the human race, MOST men work tirelessly to put themselves in a favourable position where they qualify to procreate (ie. where they possess the qualities and resources that will make females be open to them). Passing on genes (aka "carrying on the family name" ) has always been a big thing for men; in fact, for many millenia, most men considered it a taboo, underachievement or curse if they didn't pass on their genes or they raised another man's children. As it has been right from time, most men are not alphas and most men want to establish families to pass on their genes; so in order to solve their reproductive issue, they had to work hard, compete with other men and be creative/innovative in getting resources to get the ladies. The hard work and innovation that results from this need to pass on one's gene are some of the major driving forces of civilisation. To procreate, you need women, and after getting women, you must have sex. If women's standard changed tomorrow and women didn't mind going for broke and fat men, most men would not achieve much and they would be satisfied with the barest minimum since it doesn't take much for men to survive and be happy. Most won't even go to the gym. This is how most men are.

This what Ubunja and emmaodet have been trying to say; maybe they should have used the word "procreation."

(2) Asides procreation, most men can't control their sexual urges and simping is getting bigger with ever generation. Secondly, there is this natural tendency for men to seek and pursue female validation and attention; they bask in these and can even badmouth their fellow men for this. Let's not forget how men brag about scoring chicks. These also contributes to many men seeking resources to get females.

(3) Lastly, I will have to admit that not all men achieve things because of procreation or women. Throughout history, a lot of men have pursue things and achieve things for love and passion. Some are motivated by their quest for knowledge; some are motivated by ideologies; some are motivated by self-love and living life to fullest; some were broke and faced a lot of disrespect and decided to get rich to stop nonsense; some lost relatives unnecessarily because of lack of money and they decided such will never happen again. I can list many more cases where people do things and achieve greatly without having procreation in mind or as their end goal. I can say much more, but let me stop here. These men are many, but their number greatly pales in comparison to the men that are in category (1).

ProphetJeroboam:
Its baffling to be honest. Some guy mentioned Hitler who was known to be sexually perverse, obviously he did not read Sigmund Freud’s work on the interrelation between sexual perversion and psychopathy. Some people need to be hit over the head with a book repeatedly

Ronnnie:

Listen to yourself,he had many sexual practices never meant that motivated him...I watched alot of documentaries about WW2 and the Nazis,I even watched the History of Adolf Hitler and never once did I hear he conquered countries just to have sex....
Ok but what about Mandela,Isaac Newton,Abraham Lincoln and so many others,were they motivated by sex...
GENGHIS Khan,one of the past leaders of the Mongol Empire was a sex maniac who slept with more than 10000 women in his lifetime,about 35% of the present Chinese population can be linked to him as his descendants....but his major motive was to Rule over the whole of Asia and that made him a conquerer....Power was his major motivation not sex but sex was just a byproduct of his achievement as a conquerer not his source of motivation....
Isaac newton,one of the greatest scientist ever known to Man died a Virgin,so was sex his motivation also??if yes so can you consider him a failure??
Stop deceiving people with your false beliefs and teachings using Redpill as a cover up

Emmynator:

You see that's where you are getting it wrong, you think we are saying a man just sits and say i am going to become successful for pussy (sure a few men do that), and you most likely think women plan their lives in a particular fashion, or that there's a sisterhood somewhere telling women how to get the best out if men. The truth is that women dont sit to plan, neither is there an organized sisterhood. The seemingly existence of the sisterhood, and the female propensity to do certain things is motivated by evolutionary instincts, and it is more important than you think.
For millennias, for a man to successfully reproduce, he must first have a territory and the ability to protect it, creating the best possible environment for his offsprings thrive. This means he gets exclusive access to a woman or women and by extension sex, those who are deemed weak do not enjoy this luxury, as women who are attached to weak men, while lose on the long run, since they will not be protected from danger. In event of a territorial war, where the weak men are killed off, and their wives pawned off to strong men.
As a consequence of this women developed the instincts to want strong men, and men developed the instincts to be strong as a consequence. Man want to continue his legacy and women want to procreate under the best circumstances, and this formed the basis of our intersexual dynamics till this day, men get sex and offsprings in exchange for protection and territory, when the world evolved and being strong was a prerequisite for provision "Alpha fvcks, Beta bvcks" came into being.
Not just evolutionary instincts but also social learning, a child sees the benefit that is accrued to strong men, his evolutionary instincts to be strong is triggered and enhanced too.
Now reducing this to "all men don't say i am going to get rich because of sex", is denying the power of evolutionary instincts and even the redpill by extension, i mean how many times have we pointed to evolutionary instincts when describing female nature. Except you think evolutionary instincts have no effects on men, while it has all the effects on women, which would be false.
Finally, ask yourself why testosterone is the major success driving tool for men, if any if the above statements is false. Do your research on testosterone as a success motivator. Testosterone the same hormones that drives us sexually, also drives us to success, do the maths bro, It's simple, sex and all it's components (procreation and pleasure) are the major motivation for men.

Ronnnie:

Listen to yourself,he had many sexual practices never meant that motivated him...I watched alot of documentaries about WW2 and the Nazis,I even watched the History of Adolf Hitler and never once did I hear he conquered countries just to have sex....
Ok but what about Mandela,Isaac Newton,Abraham Lincoln and so many others,were they motivated by sex...
GENGHIS Khan,one of the past leaders of the Mongol Empire was a sex maniac who slept with more than 10000 women in his lifetime,about 35% of the present Chinese population can be linked to him as his descendants....but his major motive was to Rule over the whole of Asia and that made him a conquerer....Power was his major motivation not sex but sex was just a byproduct of his achievement as a conquerer not his source of motivation....
Isaac newton,one of the greatest scientist ever known to Man died a Virgin,so was sex his motivation also??if yes so can you consider him a failure??
Stop deceiving people with your false beliefs and teachings using Redpill as a cover up

adambeatz:


I’m confused bro, I’m all my years of studying human anatomy, na this statement confuse me pass anything?

Kindly break it down, is there something you see from your perspective that’s oblivious to others?

Smartb0y:

How's their orgasm useless, expantiate

fattprince:
I'm surprised there is argument about being driven by sex or not. Why in the olden days do men protect women at all cost when it's time for war? To survive or not to go extinct right?
How do they make sure the civilisations are not destroyed or their tribe go extinct? By reproducing. Whether it's for pleasure or procreation, sex is still sex.
You like it or not sex is a driving force.

Calibrator:
You people should stop generalising your beliefs and raise above mediocrity.
If you refuse to evolve pass your primal instincts, that is on you, but to say men are breaking grounds in every sphere of life because of the pursuit of sex is absolute BS.

Skepticus:


I think, the issue that Nezzjnr and others (who share similar sentiments) have with Ubunja's position and ProphetJeroboam quip that all road leads to sex (which is a sordid fact, whether we like it or not) is that they think all men openly walk around with erections thinking about sex or consciously obsessing about it. The quip applies to majority of the population and few outliers who have channelled their sexual energy into other endeavours (sexual transmutation) or suffer biological defects (genetic recessiveness/mutation) that veered them off that "road" are exceptions. Exceptions don't nullify the rule.

MAJORITY of all animals (especially vertebrates which include humans) have been biologically wired/conditioned in some type of ways to pass their genes on which is procreation and for the most part, is achieved through SEX (mostly the heterosexual type where males pairs up with females). Microorganisms (like viruses, Bacteria) and some non-vertebrates also procreate too, but through asexual means.

In the end, all organisms on this planet, find various strategies to adapt (survival) and pass their genes on which is all nature cares about.

All the effort of humans in building societies, creating technologies for comfort and advancement, chasing goals, making money, fighting wars, competing for power etc. are geared towards their survival. Sex which leads to procreation, is a great adaptation to survival which humans have proven to be good at.

I highly doubt it, that Nikola Tesla, (a man I greatly admire for being a lifelong bachelor) an exception to "all road leads to sex" rule, who channelled his hard-wired sexual energy into inventions that are useful for mankind, would find the motivation to do all he did, if there were no other humans procreating to survive and enjoy his inventions. Same for Sir Isaac Newton, Copernicus etc who were not just lifelong bachelors but were voluntarily celibate (staying away from sex) for the most part of their lives. A lot of you criticising Ubunja and co. cannot go 6 months to 2 years without recreational sex and would go any length just to get it. Lol

Kellzzyy:

Lol.. They are approaching a point of idiocy here.
Look at their stupid, subtle attempts to bully us into accepting their stupid point of view.

Shittaakeem:
Simps are constituting nuisance everywhere. Can you imagine
I think we need to spread the redpill gospel aggressively.

fattprince:
The argument back and forth will be cleared by a single question, which is popular by the way.

Which will you choose?
Will you accept $50 million and be impotent for life?
Please reflect on this very well and you will get your answer. Because even Bella said even if I lie to the world, I can never lie to myself.


Pleasure from sex isn't on top of the pleasure pyramid for nothing.
Yeah google pleasure hierarchy, sex is always on top.

sorry for those shit up dere for me, I won't take the money

ProphetJeroboam:
They keep bringing up Tesla and Newton as two people who were never interested in sex or relationships with women. Same Tesla that fell in love with a pigeon and “loved” her as if she was a woman. Or is it same Newton that his sexuality was never established but is also widely thought out to be gay. Then somebody mentioned Genghis Khan to argue his point and also the fact that he had hundreds of wives like that’s just giving me more points or did he conquer those lands to fvck the women’s husband instead. Another person mentioned priests who swear oaths of celibacy, same priests that are renowned for sexually abusing little boys.

ProphetJeroboam:
Then somebody mentioned Genghis Khan to argue his point and also the fact that he had hundreds of wives like that’s just giving me more points or did he conquer those lands to fvck the women’s husband instead. .

Tonnyray:
Instead of "all roads lead to sex", if it was worded as "all roads lead to preservation, proliferation and perpetuation of the species" will that sit better with you?

ProphetJeroboam:
They keep bringing up Tesla and Newton as two people who were never interested in sex or relationships with women. Same Tesla that fell in love with a pigeon and “loved” her as if she was a woman. Or is it same Newton that his sexuality was never established but is also widely thought out to be gay. Then somebody mentioned Genghis Khan to argue his point and also the fact that he had hundreds of wives like that’s just giving me more points or did he conquer those lands to fvck the women’s husband instead. Another person mentioned priests who swear oaths of celibacy, same priests that are renowned for sexually abusing little boys.

Dliquidmetal:
contrary to your opinion,I do not want alot of men to be redpill aware but just the minority. They would change the whole thing to rubbish and it would be over saturated
He would have to enjoy the repercussions of his ideology when the time comes,many DO NOT want to be saved.