This war is stupid and based on US and Europe's greediness. Why can't just say NO to Ukraine from joining NATO. NATO is anti-russia and China. It will be foolish if Russia allows them to set up a base so close to their country. Russia is fighting for self preservation but the western media is painting another picture.

AstraDroid:


She does not know the full scope of the mRNA programs and has been programmed into marketing drugs for |Big Pharma. |Technically, Biden is reactionary, and that is not great for America Company.

It is best for a leader to know that the world has a roadmap and there are stages of evolution of the processes leading to the completion of the agenda as designed. China and Russia leaders know the roadmap and have 100 yrs goal as to re-uniting the old bloc that United States Company had destroyed during the last wars.

Russia's goal under Putin is to restore the Soviet Union, China's Goal under Xi is to bring together all of the Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet, Mongolians etc under the leadership of Xi.

America and NATO wants otherwise, and it is naturally difficult to separate a people connected by DNA.

United States is a great place, and a great country, but no world power will be there forever, there was a time for Egypt, Rome, United Kingdom and now United States, and they can tarry as long as they want. There will new world power, but it will be multipolar.

I love the United States. But it is time to understand that you cant be King for ever.

wow! so people didn't die of COVID in China and Russia abi.
China knows the road map yet there's a recent spike of COVID cases in Hong Kong.

For all the multi-polar world you guys so desperately want, can you mention just two countries that have received financial aid from the so called China? not loans, aids meaning not to pay back.
Not need to even talk of Russia on that one.

when they don't carry Africans along on the world stage, you guys play race card not knowing those guys understand you people prefer to suffer and smile than actually doing something.
it's the one that make you suffer that you guys praise the most

Small small children who knows nothing don full nairaland, no need to argue

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I saw that you were making educated submission, hence why I joined issue with you. Dont be emotional in analysis. You dont have to insult while making your point. Have a nice day.[/quote

you said they can take any land ?

aribisala0:
That is what the US want you to believe

Russia hosted one of the best football World Cups in memory and we all saw that it is not as shitty as the West portray

It may not be wealthy as America but what are the facts

Its population is under 200 million. It sells 5 x as much oil as Nigeria, a lot more gas and is one of the largest sellers of weapons. It is a net exporter of food
Its GDP per capita is $10000 similar to that of China

You are not current

Russia is in ruins now economically. With this new sanctions, it will be competing with North Korea for food

KingAzubuike:

Which media are you talking about? The western media which are all American firms? Until you realize the media is americas most powerful tool, you won't stop being brainwashed. We had alot from them about North Korea.. they brainwashed you with so many bullshit about the country which happened not to be true. They said same about Russia but the country has been thriving well. They even hosted one of the best worldcups in history. Common man, wake up.

At least we can make do with western media, cos unlike in Russia,China or North Korea, its independent and not controlled by the government

foleskay:

Russia can't dare invade Russia.. Dem go hear am. No country will join him in the war. It will feel isolated just like Nazi Germany in d second world war. NATO will burn russia to ashes believe me. NATO no be anybody mate for this world.

Lol! People say if Russia dares enter Ukrainian territory. NATO will burn Russia into ashes. Now Russian troops have been ordered into Ukrainian territory. When exactly will NATO burn Russia to ashes?

FERNANDEZISBACK:

And is it not limiting their economic growth?
I don't know why you are going back and forth..
So if you produce your own food won't you sell out to the big league?

The sanctions are what causes currency devaluation (among other things, but the sanctions have a huge role). In Russia the ruble has devalued to about half of what it was worth 6–7 years ago against most or all major currencies. Every Russian inside Russia inevitable uses the ruble and the vast majority get their pay in rubles.

When their currency devalues to half of what it was, everything they purchase from foreign nations (all imports) cost twice as much suddenly, not even taking inflation of the original foreign price of the import into account. Besides that, as soon as they leave their borders (like on a vacation to Thailand) their money is suddenly worth half as much.

Middle class and poor Russians inevitably rely on imports for a lot of things, and some of them also travel. (Samsung appliances, German cars, Apple or Korean smartphones, Chinese computer parts, and countless other things). They also like to go vacation to Thailand, Europe, etc. sometimes.

When the price of imports go up, often domestic manufacturers follow suit, because since imports are no longer competitive, they can raise the price too — just because they can.

So Putin is butchering middle class and poor Russians, but to distract from that he keeps them amused with stories of national greatness and international escapades.

Russia as a 1 trillion dollar economy with a huge population that can consume what is produced, it has aland border with northkorea,with china and the rest

What do you know about sanctions? US is yet to impose a strong sanction on Russia till date. An invasion by Russia will make understand what a strong means.

GTkester:



Loolol, don't flatter yourself! US and UK have all tapped out of sanctions. They have wasted all their sanctions on Russia since 2014, and now they do not have any leverage on Russia.

So, welcome to the berth of a new world order!!

Binhamid:
This war is stupid and based on US and Europe's greediness. Why can't just say NO to Ukraine from joining NATO. NATO is anti-russia and China. It will be foolish if Russia allows them to set up a base so close to their country. Russia is fighting for self preservation but the western media is painting another picture.

So China has joined now. it's not only Russia again.

wait, let's leave media speculation and all that, to you what is Russia fighting with NATO for? Soviet Union is gone, communism is gone in Europe, so how is NATO anti-Russian?
Second question, if NATO whose new objective is the security of Europe and defending human rights is disbanded right now, how rich and populated is the likes of Estonia, Latvia, Czech and other non-super power European countries to raise an Army to protect their sovereignty?

shiwex:
No he is not, the real war monger here is the USA. tell me why is Nato expanding towards Russia, what reasons? What will USA do if Russia come and set up bases next to it? Putin needs to do exactly what he is doing.
Russia can never let Ukraine join Nato, they have too much to loose. Don't forget military Arms were shared among these breakaway countries and some are with Ukraine. Joining Nato will mean that Russian weapons secret are transferred to the west. Russia will blow up Ukraine than let that happen.

Guy forget leave story. So if Russia blows up Ukraine, will russia remain d same? U no sabi d west sha. Na war wey no concern dem dey like flex power. Go read the story of beginning of ww2. It was when germany invaded poland that made britain and france to declare war on Germany. And dem hear am. So if Russia dare bomb Ukraine,it will trigger world war 3. And Russia will not remain the same.

Nobody knows what will be the outcome if war eventually start

Russia has indeed entered Ukraine. Please see the map below.
The latest news this evening is President Putin has ordered troops into Ukrainian territories 1 &2

GreyLaw:


No need arguing this mate. More sanctions are waiting; weightier ones for that matter. Sanctions don't finish. And there is no new world order. If ever there was something like that it will be China. Russia is a poor country. Till date Russia cannot even match Portugal's GDP per capita and they have been trying for ages. Apart from Moscow and St. Petersburg most other Russian cities are messed up.

New world order? Lol... China would be laughing at your statement. Even China no want war. Many people for the sake of hatred or pure boredom want a change of the guard, but no, the US is centuries ahead of every other country when it comes to military abilities and intelligence. For me: US, UK, Israel, then others

Even China cannot afford a full blown confrontation with India. India is in space, medicine, nuclear warfare, everything and they don't make noise. Let Putin go and sit down. This one he will lose it a million times over. The West actually want him to make a move so they will cordon him off and he knows hence the merry go round.

Your assessment to some degree is correct but in some other areas you messed up things.
Russia is a poor country with very strong military. However, USA is still decades ahead of any other country weighed by many indexes, least among them, military potentials.
Militarily, Russia is second to USA when you consider its weapons is like alternatives to America weapon systems and it even surpasses america own in some vital weaponry like the new very fast missile technology. China though, is more balanced than Russia, as it military is advanced too and it has economy to back it up. More, China has far more potentials than india. Most of india weapons are purchased from other powers. India's only potent deterrent against China is it nuclear weapons.
UK, France and Israel too arent in the class of those first big 3- USA, Rissia and China. However they are strong allies of USA.
What USA use to trump Russia and China again to a very big degree is the strong allies it has formed and the groups it belongs to, chief among this is NATO. This group contains all the rest of the big powers and some others that are doing ok too. And its stupendously rich.

olas24u:



Russia as a 1 trillion dollar economy with a huge population that can consume what is produced, it has aland border with northkorea,with china and the rest

That one trillion dollar is in Putins account.


Russians are suffering and economy is in decline. Go to better forums and meet Russians. Nothing is happening in Russia as we speak. High level corruption with nothing for the populace.

The aWest has already successfully crippled Russias economy. With Nord going down again, it will only get worse. Investment gone down the drain.

FERNANDEZISBACK:

And is it not limiting their economic growth?
I don't know why you are going back and forth..
So if you produce your own food won't you sell out to the big league?

The sanctions are what causes currency devaluation (among other things, but the sanctions have a huge role). In Russia the ruble has devalued to about half of what it was worth 6–7 years ago against most or all major currencies. Every Russian inside Russia inevitable uses the ruble and the vast majority get their pay in rubles.

When their currency devalues to half of what it was, everything they purchase from foreign nations (all imports) cost twice as much suddenly, not even taking inflation of the original foreign price of the import into account. Besides that, as soon as they leave their borders (like on a vacation to Thailand) their money is suddenly worth half as much.

Middle class and poor Russians inevitably rely on imports for a lot of things, and some of them also travel. (Samsung appliances, German cars, Apple or Korean smartphones, Chinese computer parts, and countless other things). They also like to go vacation to Thailand, Europe, etc. sometimes.

When the price of imports go up, often domestic manufacturers follow suit, because since imports are no longer competitive, they can raise the price too — just because they can.

So Putin is butchering middle class and poor Russians, but to distract from that he keeps them amused with stories of national greatness and international escapades.

they have their own phone company like
Yota (Russian: Йота) is a Russian mobile broadband company and smartphone manufacturer. Yota is a trademark of Skartel LLC. On 9 May 2012, Yota's WiMAX was replaced by its LTE network.

They have their own uber called yandex taxi,they have alternatives to everything

Big mistake for Ukraine to give up its nuclear arsenals from third largest nuclear power to 0 and relying on US,EU and UK to bark at putin

CoronaVirusPro:


That one trillion dollar is in Putins account.


Russians are suffering and economy is in decline. Go to better forums and meet Russians. Nothing is happening in Russia as we speak. High level corruption with nothing for the populace.

The aWest has already successfully crippled Russias economy. With Nord going down again, it will only get worse. Investment gone down the drain.

That guy will never admit...he still keep on saying Russia's economy is doing fine..

of course i know, but an outcast to space ?

you are sounding like one. better go and fix ya country before lecturing another country that's far ahead of you.

FERNANDEZISBACK:

Pariah is like an outcast..

Sanctions alone are not enough to deter Putin. European and US leaders must put a military response on the table if they really intend to stop putting. Confiscating the assets of few Russian Oligarchs won’t put any serious fear into Putin or scare him enough to withdraw his 200k troops from Donetsk and Luhansk.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
This might have an effect on Russia to be sincere..
To my knowledge there isn't really any precedent since 1945 for a great power annexing another country to both gain land and intimidate another superpower...
Right now there's a spectrum for what what could happen..

On the one end Russia could invade and something could go horrifically wrong and we end up in a Europe wide NATO - Russia war. That would be disastrous to say the least.

In the middle of the spectrum is full sanctions and Russia becomes and economic pariah state. This however looks unlikely as only Britain and the US seem to see eye to eye in arguing for this outcome..
France and Germany seem a little bit less enthusiastic about this approach..
Let's see how it goes..

The positions of France and Germany are informed by energy supply from Russia. China US watching keenly.

olas24u:


they have their own phone company like
Yota (Russian: Йота) is a Russian mobile broadband company and smartphone manufacturer. Yota is a trademark of Skartel LLC. On 9 May 2012, Yota's WiMAX was replaced by its LTE network.

They have their own uber called yandex taxi,they have alternatives to everything

You ain't getting my point..
Fine they have their all and all but their economy is depreciating bit by bit due to the sanction and you are still arguing...

Plenty cnn-gotv-viewers full here… make una go play with sand…

Putin no be anyone’s mate…
Argue your cheap tecno phones

CoronaVirusPro:


That one trillion dollar is in Putins account.


Russians are suffering and economy is in decline. Go to better forums and meet Russians. Nothing is happening in Russia as we speak. High level corruption with nothing for the populace.

The aWest has already successfully crippled Russias economy. With Nord going down again, it will only get worse. Investment gone down the drain.

There is no country in the world with a huge population that has a pefect and well fed population .that is the capitalist system they adopted .they have cheap housing and a good healthcare system and a lot of incentives from government .

olugabbie:


Lol! People if Russia dares enter Ukrainian territory. NATO will burn Russia into ashes. Now Russian troops have been ordered into Ukrainian territory. When exactly will NATO burn Russia to ashes?

Wait till russia enters ukrain now or maybe burn it. Forget it the west will hit russia in an unprecedented manner. They re still playing waiting game. Russia knows watsapp..that's why its beating around d bush. Russia dares not invade Ukraine mark my word.

FERNANDEZISBACK:

That guy will never admit...he still keep on saying Russia's economy is doing fine..

It’s not hidden that Russias economy is crippled.

It’s japa season in Russia now

Mooh247:
America under Joe Biden finally got what they have always wanted ... Trade war with Russia

Lols. Trade war with small Russia? Don't kid your self, the only country qualified to engage America in a trade war is China.
The only thing Russia sabi well na to test hypersonic missiles

frog12:
of course i know, but an outcast to space ?

you are sounding like one. better go and fix ya country before lecturing another country that's far ahead of you.

You didn't contribute anything reasonable here..
Look who's telling me nonsense that doesn't even know what pariah means..

Russia has made it plain.... Ukraine is not going to join NATO. The US is insisting Ukraine would become a member. There is a conflict between Ukraine and Russians going on for yearsss. Since this crisis... US and UK have sent weapons to fight Ukraine to fight the Russians. The Ukrainians are now using much heavier and sophisticated weapons. The Russians have responded equally but the Western media is now shouting the Russians are bombarding Ukraine with heavy weapons. The US announced it will not be sending troops ... but if Ukraine joins NATO ... troops will be sent.... the very reason Russia does not want Ukraine to join NATO. Ukraine joins... Russia will invade. On the military might of the US .... since when does the US take to talks?... it has always been by force. Why be pressing for diplomacy?... talks and more talks? Even the US knows... fear Russia.

CoronaVirusPro:


You are not current

Russia is in ruins now economically. With this new sanctions, it will be competing with North Korea for food

you are funny


Russia has over $600 billion in foreign reserves.
Russia has the largest land mass with plenty of Natural resources
Plenty of gas and crude oil
It is self sufficient in food
It produces more wheat that the US and is number 3 in the world in wheat production and number 1 in wheat exports meaning it produces a lot more than it needs

FERNANDEZISBACK:

You ain't getting my point..
Fine they have their all and all but their economy is depreciating bit by bit due to the sanction and you are still arguing...

That is not true ,bring the data here , how did you measure it ?china is ready to pay for its gas and oil in local currency