AmazonTopaz:

Declaring Luhansk and Donetsk a territory under Ukraine is already an invasion don't be naive.
It is going to be a world war crisis because he will go after other USSR former territories he needs to be stopped now.If the west sanctions Russian oligarchs that use money for war and not her economy Russia will lose. The US/NATO are not handicapped they just don't want to be interventionist anymore so they are trying to be diplomatic.


Please stop talking out of point Putin wants the USSR stop sympathising with the cause of a dictator if Putin wants respect he should respect the sovereignty of Ukraine and embrace the fact that the USSR is dead.

My goodness did you see NATO force former states of the USSR to join or they went on their own will, majority of Ukrainians want NATO and the fact that Putin is still nostalgic about the USSR is enough proof of that have you asked yourself why former states of the USSR are interested in joining the west why not ask yourself that since you think Russia is so good that they are running away from it or they should swallow their will because of one man called Putin.
Give me a break

I'm Very pained I missed this thread from the beginning, however, i'm taking solace due to the finishing replies you are giving op and his ilks back to back with facts.
Op was very lucky I missed the thread.

BritishNaija:


I'm Very pained I missed this thread from the beginning, however, i'm taking solace due to the finishing replies you are giving op and is ilks back to back with facts.
Op was very lucky I missed the thread.

Lol and thank you.

AmazonTopaz:


He threatened to withhold funding for Ukraine and pull out of NATO, he pulled out of WHO and courted Russia over NATO

Cox some NATO members refused to fund the alliance. Trump challanged to pay up or else US will withrdaw her membership. WHO and her president were dancing to the Chinese tunes. According to Trump, ukraine & russia is not a direct threat to US. Trump targeted china instead.

useni1:
Yawn/ Rubbish repeated bullshit by defeated NATO and paper tiger America. If communism don't work why don't they allow it to fail under its merit? Instead it was bastard America running to Vietnam to stop it, it was vagabond America going to North Korea in the 50's to sabotage it. It was bastard America CIA maggot responsible for the death of Che Guevara and Thomas Sankara. Communism don't work but bastard America still placed an embargo on Cuba to fight something that is not working. Amerikkan has spent trillions to dollars fighting communism that doesn't work. You are the greatest donkey and if I see you tonight I will use sledge hammer to slam sense into your head.

Oh keep drinking the kool aid. Mao of china never killed millions and opposition members in china? Mao never imposed heavy punishment on perceived enemies and wasn't extremely brutal with the major cities all jist because they resisted him. Lenin and stalin were saints bro, the Bolsheviks never exterminated the mensheviks, farmers weren't murdered and lands forcibly seized? Other ethnic groups weren't killed and marginalized in the soviet union, maduro wasn't a dictator, he was no facist who had billions but his citizens were poor and could only afford antic cars till this day?

Yeah no one knows that there was vietnam and vietcom, no one knows that the war was russian expansion and american counter to russian hegemony, no one knows that after the war vietnam, germany, poland aĺl became one again and life was better in the capitalist part as against the communist parts held by russia, ever wonder why none stuck to communism except North korea who are the most facist state on earth, i guess you haven't listened to YEON MI a defector.

Yeah. Blame mythical USA when history shows that all the usa did was counter russia and left after the war in which quality of life became better but hey communism is eldorado, totally liberal with human rights guaranteed and not genocides at all for just being an opposition.


Yeah communism works that china keeps rolling out more policies from capitalism and now allows for private participation in the economy! Wow isn't communism eldorado and capitalism the devil? Seems the donkey here is you who doesn't know that china now operates a controlled mixed economy and not communism economically but "politically" which is bs because thats not communism.

I bet you are the feminized donkey high on emotions now little girl!



Lastly i truly want to see your uneducated inept failure of a person really try and live up to that threat.

AmazonTopaz:


Please keep quiet and stop blaming the west for the woes of Africa if you were intellectually sound you would know that this is not the thread to be talking about the so-called atrocities of the west when there is an issue at hand.

Keep quiet and get lost better tell your continent to use their brains and stop blaming the west for everything.

You are just a useless fool. I have been reading all the trash you are spooning, Russia is right and just in the decision to protect the people of donbas. As of today peace have returned to donbas. Russia to the moon. Go fuvk yourself. Pathetic slave.
Ukrainian puppet government of LGBT USA is doomed to fail. Let them join NATO and understand what it means to act decisively by Russia in the protection of it's national security.

AmazonTopaz:

Did I tell you so? And why should I support Russia and China over the west anyway,what have they done for humanity in this modern time that I should pick them over the west?

read my q

ken6488:
why has Russia not absorb Belarus, Poland, kazistan (the closest neighbor)


Why always Ukraine

Poland is NATO, Belarus is a puppet state, Kazakhstan is sandwiched between Russia and china so both countries use it as a buffer for each other. Meaning neither Russia or china can't invade Kazakhstan.

Cptflint:


You are just a full blown liar. You should be ashamed of writing this nonsense. Thank God for social media. We would have believed in your trash. We all know that it's the Ukrainian soldiers that fired the first artillery after USA failed predicted day of Invision to provoc the Russia but they were served with suprise...

Thank you for admonishing am a full blow liar, it's always a honor when an outsider living thousands of miles away knows more than someone born and raised in the continent that is a stone throw from Russia. I take the honor of been a full blown liar, thanks once more

Putin will not invade Ukraine directly but will invade indirectly thorough the break away regions. She will empower the regions militarily. Hence, NATO will find it difficult to attack Russia but Russia can easily attack Ukraine. An injury to any of the breakaway regions is an injury to Russia. Those breakaway regions will serve as sheild to Russia in case of invasion.

olugabbie:
Russia's President Vladimir Putin is to recognise breakaway regions of Ukraine, the Kremlin says
He told the French and German leaders of his plans in a phone call, saying he would sign a decree.
The Russian President has ignored the warning of sanctions by the West and will recognise the independence of two self-declared breakaway regions this evening.

AmazonTopaz:
It was never about NATO.

Putin wants the soviet union back.

You are just ignorant with myopic and bias opinion. All your statements are sandwiched with insults and you are complaining of not wanting to be insulted... Abeg, go fry beans and hug transformer.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:



Cox some NATO members refused to fund the alliance. Trump challanged to pay up or else US will withrdaw her membership. WHO and her president were dancing to the Chinese tunes. According to Trump, ukraine & russia is not a direct threat to US. Trump targeted china instead.

He refused to fund Ukraine because he wanted information on Joe Biden and this was a violation that led to his first impeachment.

Everything you have said only sums up my argument that he went against allies. Trump was Putin's puppet and did Putin's job for him when he was going after NATO instead of Russia

AmazonTopaz:

Lol and thank you.

You are welcome, I never wast my time bringing Op propaganda threads down with facts, infact I derives joy from waiting and hunting down each and every threads he opens to twist facts to propaganda, I see that as insult to my intelligence, and always provide facts to rubbish them.

Ogajohnbull:

You are just ignorant with myopic and bias opinion. All your statements are sandwiched with insults and you are complaining of not wanting to be insulted... Abeg, go fry beans and hug transformer.

You are the ignorant one with a myopic and bias opinion go and fry beans and hug transformer.

Cptflint:


[s]You are just a useless fool. I have been reading all the trash you are spooning, Russia is right and just in the decision to protect the people of donbas. As of today peace have returned to donbas. Russia to the moon. Go fuvk yourself. Pathetic slave.
Ukrainian puppet government of LGBT USA is doomed to fail. Let them join NATO and understand what it means to act decisively by Russia in the protection of it's national security[/s].

Keep quiet you clown.You can't be smart enough to believe this but after all you don't even sound intelligent anyway.

AmazonTopaz:


He is not smart you people should wake up it was never about NATO.

Putin wants the soviet union back and if he gets Ukraine he is coming for other former states of the USSR.

If the US and its allies don't respond swiftly and stop deceiving themselves about diplomacy Putin is going to invade sovereign nations because he does not believe in their right to exist that is dictatorship nobody should laud this

thank you.
the few people here reading history and watching few patches that CNN/BBC/FOX/SKY shows to them, now thinks they know much about the game........ forgetting that these countries have being monitoring, studying n simulating the events.

vibre:

But it's not a threat to world peace when the US invades or attacks other countries right? Is there any country that has invaded or attacked more independent nations than the US has done?

Thanks man for this reasoning. You will live longer.
When NATO lead by USA invaded Yugoslavia in 1999 without the UN approval, thousands and million of people died from USA bombings and killings, Kosovo break away from Serbia and USA recognise it, this wasn't breaking international laws. USA And NATO invaded Iraq, without the UN approval, And killed millions of people, this is not breaking of international laws, USA and NATO invaded Libya. Killed gadaffi, and Hillary Clinton was caught on tape laughing over the man's dead body... this is not breaking of international laws, USA and NATO invaded Syria but didn't succeed in their aim because of Russia. Also without UN approval and this is not breaking international laws?. USA and NATO soldiers has committed millions of war crime's all over the world and when the court at Hague brought up their case USA government threatend to sanction a world court of criminal justice. Inglorious!. Today USA is stealing these countries resources with freckles impunity. Forcing these countries puppet government to sign treaties against their own people, leaving them in misery and abject poverty. When the people protest against USA occupation in their countries, their puppet government uses their own police and army to kill and mained their own people, heartless!. And when such government ask the USA to leave their countries, the USA start threatening them with sanctions. Pathetic! The atrocities of USA and her allies all over the world is gruesome, callous and pure wickedness.

The world has opened their eyes. The world must always remain multipolar. Thanks for countries that has resisted USA vermin, her venom and virus'infections.

Russia has brought peace to people of donbas.
And Russia must be respected And it's security demands assured.
Let peace reign.

AmazonTopaz:

Keep quiet you clown.You can't be smart enough to believe this but after all you don't even sound intelligent anyway.

Go fuvk yourself..as the German admiral rightly said.. Crimea is gone donbas is gone, respect Russia and her demands.

Germany and Italy must be free from USA occupation forces.

Its a predictable move. Afterall the reason Putin amassed his army on the Ukrainian border to begin with, was because the separatists in Donbas were about to be completely routed. I only don’t think it’s a good move. Donbas is not Crimea. For starts it was Russia who gifted Crimea to Ukraine wen the going was good and wen things fell apart, took back their gift. Donbas may speak Russia, but Putin cannot categorically assure d world those folks wants to join the Russian federation. I see another Afghanistan for Russia in Donbas

AmazonTopaz:


He is not smart you people should wake up it was never about NATO.

Putin wants the soviet union back and if he gets Ukraine he is coming for other former states of the USSR.

If the US and its allies don't respond swiftly and stop deceiving themselves about diplomacy Putin is going to invade sovereign nations because he does not believe in their right to exist that is dictatorship nobody should laud this

Are you even listening to yourself?

Russia was invited by those breakaway regions. It's a very simple thing. All of the west does the same thing.

It has nothing to do with dictatorship. It's the choice of the leaders of that region.

pansophist:


The Nigerian, and I dare say African media space are very western centric, from CNN, BBC, Nigerians hardly listen to other perspective. If they even went to travel, it's mostly the west as first option. Not surprised why many of them just parrot the western narrative without the ability to research things foe themselves and come to their own conclusion. It doesn't matter if the conclusion is incorrect, if its yours, its good. These are qualities of an independent mind.

I couldn't have said less or more. Africans, particularly the English and French speaking nations are overly prone to believing western media narrative due to the influence of their colonial past. But there lies the danger. If one can't think for himself for once, it's highly likely that such an one would end up assessing and believing certain issues on a wrong footing.

AmazonTopaz:

Oh please I an tired of hearing this crap I am an adult with a brain and I can decide for myself tell me how Russia in this context are the good guys and the West are the bad ones I will wait sinceyou are not the one who is blinded by propaganda

Lol... I never said anyone was the good guy; the world as you know it was and is still a jungle and in the jungle, there're no rules - only the string thrives. What we have here are 2 powerful authoritarian dictatorships exercising their might. What I detest is how one of these nations always finds a way to hypocritically convince you and the rest of the world that they're law abiding saints, yet they're far more guilty of the 'dictatorship' they claim to denounce

The US was very instrumental to the balkanisation of the former USSR; it was never about giving anyone independence, rather was strictly about weakening the strength of their greatest competitors. The Russians have simply been fighting to get back their lost territory.

Newboss:


Are you even listening to yourself?

Russia was invited by those breakaway regions. It's a very simple thing. All of the west does the same thing.

It has nothing to do with dictatorship. It's the choice of the leaders of that region.

That is dictatorship according the referendum to leave the soviet in the 90's they overwhelmingly voted to leave the soviet union and you except me to believe Putin that they overwhelmingly want to be a part of Russia now? You also think that Putin annexing a part of another nations territory is not a violation of international law and that he has no intention of stopping with those regions and will annex more in due time say something else abeg

dermmy:


Democracy can be practiced under communism/socialism too. Democracy is not the twin brother of Capitalism as the west wants us to believe that was a cold war lie cause Adolf Hitler was a Capitalist but we know that Adolf Hitler gave no freedom to the Germans. In fact Nazism repudiates Communism/socialism which means Adolf Hitler hated Communism with great disdain. He killed many Communists and sent many into exile.

Capitalism conotes freedom in the economic sphere but in the political realm it is not always about freedom. Fulgencio Batista of Cuba was a brutal Capitalist dictator that received U.S support. Suherto of Indonesia was a Capitalist dictator too. Anastasio Somoza Debayle of Nicaragua, Augusto Pinochet of Chile. Ngo Dinh Diem of South Vietnam, Marcos Evangelista Perez Jimenez of Venezuala. Syngman Rhee of South Korea, Park Chun Ghee of South Korea. Let me stop here.

Countries that have practiced western capitalist system with dictatorship/despotism are much more than countries that have practiced Communism. So Capitalism does not translate to democracy.

You just gave some of the twisted minds a life saving lecture about democracy and capitalism.

AmazonTopaz:

The Russian economy will collapse if it is hit by sanctions.

The US and it's allies will respond soon enough.

whatever sanctions it's Europe that will suffer from it, if they block nordstream 2. the price of gas will skyrocket in Europe because they get the gas from Russia and mind you China have already offered Russia lifeline recently they sign another gas deal meaning they will be buying half of what Europe buy from Russia.

AmazonTopaz:


Go and listen to Putin's statements.

which f**king comment he have says many times that it's mistake of past leader but his last comment even when he talk about it he admit it is not possible only someone without head will think that but that doesn't mean he have to welcome his country enemy to it border without a fight

smallsmall:


Russia has been under US sanction since 2007 and this is merely a ramp up.
The more sanction you impose on a country, unlawfully, the less impact they produce and the less leverage you will have.
It is the Europeans l pity, especially Germany.
Their Energy Prices is already hitting the Roof, until they have a Citizen riot on their hand, will they learn not to follow-follow USA like Muumu.

I quiet agree with you, but don't underestimate the Germans, they knew what they are doing . The Germans will talk loud, join the Russian-bashing team any day, but conveniently do the opposite in economic areas. Even the Hungarian Foreign Affairs minister pointed this out recently. Since the EU joined Uncle Sam to impose Sanctions on Russia from 2014 till date, the trade volume between Germany and Russia has steadily increased , and the Hungarians and Bulgarians simply pointed out the obvious. They will dance and scream alongside the US but will never allowed US selfish interest to undermine their economic realities. Ukraine is the only braindead and stupid party that has killed itself in this whole brouhaha

AmazonTopaz:


He is not smart you people should wake up it was never about NATO.

Putin wants the soviet union back and if he gets Ukraine he is coming for other former states of the USSR.

If the US and its allies don't respond swiftly and stop deceiving themselves about diplomacy Putin is going to invade sovereign nations because he does not believe in their right to exist that is dictatorship nobody should laud this

This your theory does not have strong basis.
If Putin's plan is to take the former Soviet republics back, he could have started easily from Belarus, Estonia, Lavia and Lithuania; Easy-peasy Like Ryan Reynolds would say.
From there he moves to Poland, Slovakia and Moldova. At this point, Ukraine has been isolated, they'll have no other options than to surrender.

Russia is a lovely country, God bless Putin

AmazonTopaz:


Please keep quiet and stop blaming the west for the woes of Africa if you were intellectually sound you would know that this is not the thread to be talking about the so-called atrocities of the west when there is an issue at hand.

Keep quiet and get lost better tell your continent to use their brains and stop blaming the west for everything.

Lol . This dunce resulted to insults when her low IQ and fake lies about the west were bursted.
You claimed putin is dictator and against Democracy yet till today Russia has still not invaded Ukraine . You say he hates democracy but blame him for recognising breakaway regions of Ukraine who had a plebiscite to decide wether they should be part of Ukraine or not. You claim Russia are expansionist trying to revive the dead USSR but say nothing about expansionist moves by US through NATO(whom they contribute 80% funding) which is clearly contravenes the Russia-NATO treaty of 1997(I am sure you dont know about this, since I am schooling you go and read about it and come back to say what's its all about )
Russia is no Saint however NATO is far from being holy. The Cuban missile crisis on 64 happened because Russia moved Nukes to their allied Cuba America responded swiftly and decisively even though Cuba was not a border country with them, why then should Russia keep quiet and watch NATO build weapons and expand into its borders. Dundee head go and read abeg!

Great0ne1:
Ukraine is basically nato. But donbas will be the new line

Ukraine is not a NATO member and it will never be. Sooner or later, Zelenszky will drop the NATO membership ambition.

US under Trump, did recognized Jerusalem the capital of Israel which was totally against the UN and international peace effort resolutions

seunny4lif:
Now, if Ukraine try to use military force, they will face the same thing that Georgia military faced in 2008.
Putin calls Ukrainian territories as “a gift from the Bolsheviks”
Lenin created the mess but Putin will fix it now


The battle of Helm's Deep is over; the battle for Middle Earth is about to begin."

Whoever does not want to negotiate with Lavrov will negotiate with Gen Shoigu

how so??
I'd like to be enlightened more on how le in created the mess