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Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by dhareh: 10:22am On Feb 25, 2022
Rugaria:


Putin has the right to defend his country. He is taking a very important proactive step to safeguard his country. if Chad decides to give ISIS or Boko Haram a base to deploy their troops and organize their attacks against Nigeria, Nigeria has the right to take every action to stop Chad. If Nigeria refuses to act, it's a sign of weakness and lack of foresight within the countrys leadership and not something to celebrate. That exactly is the thing Russia is doing. NATO was formed to tame the USSR. The USSR is dead, what's NATO still doing positioning herself within a striking distance to Russia? Ukraine got herself into this mess by deciding to join a military group that represents her neighbors worse enemies

A very good point of view ��
As much as we all see Putin as a dictator and as much as we all know war isn’t good for anyone, Putin standing up against Ukraine and NATO relationship is very important for Russia a your Nigeria Chad examples explains that clearly. Any president that has a foresight will never allow that to happen…….

Imagine Canada pledge that allegiance to Russia, White House wouldn’t take that lightly…… US and NATO have always been finding a way to break Russia’s intelligence and military strength. Ukraine should know better that US and the rest wouldn’t send their troops to invade Russia on their behalf, they will only support them with ammunitions. as much as I don’t like dictatorship, I’m with Putin on this. He deserves to protect his country against future threats. And those sanctions on Russia you’re seeing wouldn’t stop them, US and NATO stands to loose more.

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Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by Blackfriday: 10:26am On Feb 25, 2022
Rugaria:


Taiwan has always been Chinese.. Don't let Western propaganda fool you. Taiwan is not Ukraine. Taiwan is Chinese and Ukraine is not Russian. Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macao reminds China of the enermous levels the west had to go in order to undermine her when she was weak and poor. China has got a good case to demand the return of Taiwan. The British are still in Falklands and The French controls West Africa and polenesia, yet they're the ones condemning Russia.

Democratic West? Is there anything democratic about the current world order? You live in Africa that has been more or else designated a mininig field, a continent being rapaciously raped by Western multinationals and agencies and you're talking of a democratic world order? What is democratic about Nigerias politics today as is supported by the West? I think most Africans suffer the political equivalent of the Stockholm syndrome in their rabid obeisance to western dictates..
Oga stop rambling nonsense.

The person you quoted isn't glorifying the West or US, the broader effect of the fall out between Russia and Ukraine is what he his trying to make you understand.

Since you don't like the present world order, WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE?

Russia can take over Ukraine, North Korea can take over south, same thing with China taking over the weaker nations, Nigeria can take over Niger republic and so on.

The world is already a shitty place, do we make it more shitter.

Logical reasoningsoning is not so hard.
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by Aguogba(m): 10:27am On Feb 25, 2022
Richy4:
Wow!!! Nigeria got so many international political analysts here on Nairaland.. not to talk of beer parlours around Nigeria...

Yet Nigerian political situations is nothing to write home about... When people like these with great input can help the country embarassed

Imagine what would happen if everyone will Channel their energy, enthusiasm and passion just like this to make Nigeria a better place sad
They're "ethnic warriors" for local politics and "global political analysts". The former must be eliminated, then we can make some headway.
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by Adakintroy: 10:28am On Feb 25, 2022
hopefulLandlord:


you've said a lot of things without saying anything

Yeah just like you have said little without saying much.
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by saintadeola: 10:29am On Feb 25, 2022
I do not support war,but west is hipocrites, no standard country will want enemy at her boundaries,what uk and US can accept,they want Russia to av it,we knew how Israel is dealing with there Palestinian neighbour,if west interfare, u are inviting more escalation,they have to deal with d situation with wisdom,putin is a mad man
He can shock u again with his weapons,he never even use anything with Ukraine
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by Richy4(m): 10:35am On Feb 25, 2022
Aguogba:

They're "ethnic warriors" for local politics and "global political analysts". The former must be eliminated, then we can make some headway.
My brother, if u scroll down and read some of the sound analysis here, u might be surprised.. U wouldn't know it was an amateur analysis...

They are really good... How I wish the law makers can ask the youths of this nation what they think on how to make the country a better place

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Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by chika0072(m): 10:39am On Feb 25, 2022
ivandragon:
Putin simply has an expansionist agenda & would not stop until he reestablishes the Soviet Union.

NATO is a defence pact, not an aggressive one & if Russia doesn't want Ukraine joining NATO, it can do so by other means including political & economic sanctions rather than a full scale war.

Also, since the balkanisation of the SU, Russia has always threatened Ukraine, hence, Ukraine's intention to join NATO. The US & its NATO allies have never pushed Ukraine to join NATO. Putin is just power mad.

Further more, the silence of China is telling... it is watching closely. If Russia succeeds in getting Ukraine without much resistance from the West, China is going to take Taiwan & Tibet too...

The domino effect is that North Korea will invade South Korea, Pakistan will invade the disputed Kahmir region with India. Some Arab nations will attack Israel. Other smaller conflicts designed to grab more land will ensue...

That said, powers (empires) rise & fall. China seems to be the one to replace the declining dominance of the US & Russia is aware of this. But the question I always ask those who insult US is this, would you prefer to stay in an autocratic China or a democratic US?
Rightly summarized...
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by buckeyemedia: 10:53am On Feb 25, 2022
Rugaria:
Very correct assessment.
The aggressors are the ones playing victims now..
NATO has to explain why it wants Russias immediate neighbor as a member.
Some Nigerian youths still get logical comprehensive reasoning.
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by madridguy(m): 10:56am On Feb 25, 2022
All we need is one love.
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by ike007(m): 10:59am On Feb 25, 2022
FERNANDEZISBACK:
The question is what's his issue with Ukraine if not his selfish benefit..it's just like hurting and torturing your wife cos of her choice for the betterment of her life against you..

Putin wants the old Soviet glory nothing else..he has no right to invade a sovereign country for no logical reason..
Modified: Ukraine insisted willingly to join NATO and it has been for a while now..no one is forcing them.. understand that...


What what about what USA and Israel is doing to their neighbors? What about what USA is doing to Cuba that has sent the Cubans back into the 60s?
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by ike007(m): 11:01am On Feb 25, 2022
ivandragon:
Putin simply has an expansionist agenda & would not stop until he reestablishes the Soviet Union.

NATO is a defence pact, not an aggressive one & if Russia doesn't want Ukraine joining NATO, it can do so by other means including political & economic sanctions rather than a full scale war.

Also, since the balkanisation of the SU, Russia has always threatened Ukraine, hence, Ukraine's intention to join NATO. The US & its NATO allies have never pushed Ukraine to join NATO. Putin is just power mad.

Further more, the silence of China is telling... it is watching closely. If Russia succeeds in getting Ukraine without much resistance from the West, China is going to take Taiwan & Tibet too...

The domino effect is that North Korea will invade South Korea, Pakistan will invade the disputed Kahmir region with India. Some Arab nations will attack Israel. Other smaller conflicts designed to grab more land will ensue...

That said, powers (empires) rise & fall. China seems to be the one to replace the declining dominance of the US & Russia is aware of this. But the question I always ask those who insult US is this, would you prefer to stay in an autocratic China or a democratic US?

O don't think he does o. USA rather has that expansionist agenda... judging by how they have expanded beyond the western hemisphere into the Eastern block. Russia simply woke up from their slumber.
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by Eniitan19(m): 11:04am On Feb 25, 2022
It's only those that support the West that will blame Putin. Every Russian who believes in the continual existence of Russia will support him.
Everyone knows that Russia is not in good terms with the West. So what the West is doing is to create strain relationship between Russia and her neighbouring countries, romance the neighbors and thereafter plant their military bases there and around Russia.
Secondly, the West knows that Ukraine is strategic to Russia being that it serves as a link between Russia and Europe. Also don't forget the strategic ports in Crimea that Ukraine leased to Russia to use as Russia Naval bases and also for economic activities. You remember the lease agreement was not to be renewed before Russia annexed Crimea.
Most importantly, Russia and Ukraine are like brothers.
So tell me which president will fold his arms and allow his enemies to use his neighbors to destabilize his country. Can US or UK allow that.
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by Thinktwicemybro: 11:09am On Feb 25, 2022
Rugaria:


Putin has the right to defend his country. He is taking a very important proactive step to safeguard his country. if Chad decides to give ISIS or Boko Haram a base to deploy their troops and organize their attacks against Nigeria, Nigeria has the right to take every action to stop Chad. If Nigeria refuses to act, it's a sign of weakness and lack of foresight within the countrys leadership and not something to celebrate. That exactly is the thing Russia is doing. NATO was formed to tame the USSR. The USSR is dead, what's NATO still doing positioning herself within a striking distance to Russia? Ukraine got herself into this mess by deciding to join a military group that represents her neighbors worse enemies
I disagree with some of your point
1 NATO is a responsible organization and not a terrorist organization like ISIS, Boko Haram etc.so don't compare them.
2. Russia have been acting in a criminal manner against Ukraine by backing terrorist against the government of Ukraine.
3. Ukraine is a sovereign country but Russia does not respect that.
4. NATO came to the picture following continuous support Russia keep giving the seperatist groups.
5. Ukraine accept to join NATO because Russia refuse to allow them live in peace.
6. NATO has come to stay in Ukraine and the world needs this to tame the beast called Russia.
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by Juventus4life: 11:18am On Feb 25, 2022
Rugaria:


Putin has the right to defend his country. He is taking a very important proactive step to safeguard his country. if Chad decides to give ISIS or Boko Haram a base to deploy their troops and organize their attacks against Nigeria, Nigeria has the right to take every action to stop Chad. If Nigeria refuses to act, it's a sign of weakness and lack of foresight within the countrys leadership and not something to celebrate. That exactly is the thing Russia is doing. NATO was formed to tame the USSR. The USSR is dead, what's NATO still doing positioning herself within a striking distance to Russia? Ukraine got herself into this mess by deciding to join a military group that represents her neighbors worse enemies

Your head dey Derek joor.
America are doing the same thing in Asia. All these America soldiers in Japan, South Korea and other Asian countries are just there to intimidate China.

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Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by Damian10(m): 11:35am On Feb 25, 2022
I hear say p square don come back ahbeg nah tru?
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by ivandragon: 11:37am On Feb 25, 2022
ike007:


O don't think he does o. USA rather has that expansionist agenda... judging by how they have expanded beyond the western hemisphere into the Eastern block. Russia simply woke up from their slumber.

Well, you may be right about USA being the ones with an agenda especially given the reality of neocolonialism. But there are a couple of issues I think need to be considered...

1. Until about the late 1800s, what is known as Ukraine today, was an independent territory until it was annexed by the Soviet Red Army. So Ukraine has a longer history of independence than Russsia wants us to believe.

2. Russia has always treated Ukraine as an appendage since the balkanisation, & as a threat since pro-democratic forces took over power in Ukraine, a key factor why Ukraine applied to join NATO.

3. If Russia was against Ukraine joining NATO, it could apply progressively severe economic, political & social sanctions... even a quarantine action (lesser form of blockade) to force Ukraine to reconsider its stance. A full scale war was not necessary... in my opinion...

4. After cowering Ukraine, Russia will now share borders with about 3-4 other former Soviet States that are now NATO members. Will it also invade them to 'secure' its own borders?

In all, I think Russia has made its point, but it has also showed that it is really a threat to surrounding sovereign nations...
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by Okpara10: 11:59am On Feb 25, 2022
But on a serious note, Russia is undermining Ukraine's sovereignty or where there any clause in Ukraine's constitution recognizing or empowering Russia to sanction their "choice" of association?

Nato on the other hand is not responding with the full force this provocation requires.
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by Babinski: 12:08pm On Feb 25, 2022
wirinet:


But NATO and the US had been doing same many times in the past. US and NATO armed and sponsored separatists in Benghazi to overthrow Gaddafi in Tripoli. The US armed and sponsored the kurdish rebels against Am-Bashir in Syria until the running came on the side of the Syrian president.

And what has been the result of such actions by NATO or US? Do they now have Libya as allies? Do they now have Syria as allies?
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by doshiyad1: 12:17pm On Feb 25, 2022
helinues:


Ukrainians shouldn't have also voted for a comedian as a president. Zelensky might have been taking all the Russia's threats as jokes.

If not that Zelensky is unserious fellow, how did he allow USA and NATO to Bobo him when they are not going to send their troops to defend aggressive Russia.

Ukraine have been left alone while Russia already surrounded them

Wahala! wetin them even say e bi like sef?
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by LogicBomb8: 12:19pm On Feb 25, 2022
MERCHANDISER:

Stop quoting people and exuding your ignorance

Since USA won't allow China or Russia to have Military base in Canada,Mexico,why will Russia or China allow USA to do so in Ukraine and Taiwan ?

Exactly why would russia allow the u.s have a base in ukraine through N.A.T.O which is a weapon of the west and an instrument of america.
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by doshiyad1: 12:19pm On Feb 25, 2022
Rugaria:


Putin has the right to defend his country. He is taking a very important proactive step to safeguard his country. if Chad decides to give ISIS or Boko Haram a base to deploy their troops and organize their attacks against Nigeria, Nigeria has the right to take every action to stop Chad. If Nigeria refuses to act, it's a sign of weakness and lack of foresight within the countrys leadership and not something to celebrate. That exactly is the thing Russia is doing. NATO was formed to tame the USSR. The USSR is dead, what's NATO still doing positioning herself within a striking distance to Russia? Ukraine got herself into this mess by deciding to join a military group that represents her neighbors worse enemies

After invading a sovereign nation?
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by kabillionaire(m): 12:22pm On Feb 25, 2022
NATO is a defensive organization yet they aggressively invaded Libya thereby creating problems for Africa that will take over half a century to correct.

Perhaps the west is using Ukraine to test Russia's will power, there's news flash for then, they're in for a long ride.

Russians are not known to making empty threats.
FERNANDEZISBACK:

How is NATO a threat to him?
NATO is a defensive organisation that guarantees the integrity of member nations against attack through the medium of mutual support...

He is not defending his country he is invading a sovereign country.. understand that?
You can't defend your country by attacking another for no reason..just like torturing your wife for saying she wanna divorce you..
NATO is still necessary because it protects its members from the “confusion, instability, unpredictability” which are persistent conditions in international affairs. So NATO doesn’t need to be against any specific state or group to continue to have a very important job to do...To prevent any more annexed Crimea’s and Russian occupied Ukraine.
Russia intends to further expand her borders, NATO may deter WW3...
So you gotta understand that..
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by LogicBomb8: 12:23pm On Feb 25, 2022
FERNANDEZISBACK:

Stop talking nonsense.. Russian government wants to make Ukraine a puppet state, just like Belarus, which is currently de-facto a vassal of Moscow. In 2014,Russia captured and annexed Crimea, and invaded parts of eastern Ukraine after creating a separatist conflict there, but it is not enough, because Putin wants whole of Ukraine to be under his heel...
Putin attacked them in the first place so where is your nonsense coming from?

But there was a refrendum and more than 90% of crimea voted out of ukraine
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by doshiyad1: 12:23pm On Feb 25, 2022
FERNANDEZISBACK:

How is NATO a threat to him?
NATO is a defensive organisation that guarantees the integrity of member nations against attack through the medium of mutual support...

He is not defending his country he is invading a sovereign country.. understand that?
You can't defend your country by attacking another for no reason..just like torturing your wife for saying she wanna divorce you..
NATO is still necessary because it protects its members from the “confusion, instability, unpredictability” which are persistent conditions in international affairs. So NATO doesn’t need to be against any specific state or group to continue to have a very important job to do...To prevent any more annexed Crimea’s and Russian occupied Ukraine.
Russia intends to further expand her borders, NATO may deter WW3...
So you gotta understand that..

Hmm! NATO and Putin all of them have selfish interest with different approach finish but Putin own na ehm bad pass.
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by abdlkay(m): 12:29pm On Feb 25, 2022
It's looks like some folks here are just been ignorant of the fact both Russia and NATO/US aint doing this shit for selfish reasons........
See ehhh!!! Make we dey try dey objective if we want to be open minded , there is no way you would be justifying the actions of NATO/US infiltrating and pokenosing into the affairs of other non NATO members (less developed countries, sovereign and the likes) for some selfish reasons and even using military force to bind them to do their biding, yet nobody is condemning their actions or calling for their head. Dem ask you why US abi NATO dey bombard, kill and infiltrate other countries wey dem no get business with you no fit answer am yet you dey talk gibberish on top Russia attacking Ukraine dey use sovereign country bullsh.... as an excuse.

Despite not been in support of Putin's unwarranted military attacks/invasion of Ukraine, I also don't align with the way NATO are trying put up a facade in the name of accommodating Ukraine as a member whereas they have an ulterior motive for doing that.
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by doshiyad1: 12:30pm On Feb 25, 2022
Rugaria:


For no reason?
The problem here is that you are giving NATO and the West a free pass. In your mind, they're infallible. You really think the West never saw this crises coming? This crises have been brewing for over a decade. The West knows what they're doing. Russia knows what they are doing too. Russia understands Western manipulations and scheming and are basically trying to upstage them.

You have to understand how NATO works. Once you're a member of NATO, if you're attacked, all members of NATO have a duty to join hands to defend you. It means that the attackers will be facing the military arsenal of the whole of western Europe and others that are members of NATO. NATO is the biggest fighting block as at today and represents the biggest military danger to countries like Russia and China...

So what happens if Ukraine joins NATO and a president of Ukraine starts a sort of war with Russia? NATO will have to do something to defend Ukraine. That means that all of a sudden, Russia will have to fight The USA, France, Britain, Germany, Italy, Spain , Portugal etc. These are some of the most sophisticated militaries in the world. You're going to face them over a minor squabble with your neighbor? Right at your borders! Especially a neighbor that has ethnic Russians as her citizens too?

This is very simple. I don't know why it looks so confusing to some. Russia is trying to get Ukraine within her sphere of influence. That's what you do when you're a super power. The Americans do it, the USSR did it, China is trying to do it. If you leave your flanks open, your competitors will enter an dismantle you. If you doubt this, try to make Mexico a strategic ally of Russia or China, .. The Americans will react even more ferociously than Russia is doing today to that. During the Venezuelan crises, The US did whatever it could to make sure that Russia never had a military post in Venezuela. Yet Venezuela has no border crossings with The United States. How much more a country with land borders with the US..


Following! All of them na the same thing. Let the winner take all. I only pity the innocent people of Ukraine honestly. God please show mercy and intervene for the very innocent ones. Amen!

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Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by Blesyn22(m): 12:37pm On Feb 25, 2022
The war of Russia vs Ukraine/NATO/USA is as a result of the fear of the unknown. The west as always been known to be fronting several elements of any given country to take it over. You can never see the west openly or directly causing mayhem; they do it under a guise.


Russia in her own interest is defending her territory against future invasion. Vladimir Putin had a military orientation before joining politics and he's acting in that sense compared to one who had a total civilian orientation.


All in all its the fear of the unknown causing this mayhem.

The relative peacenis too much for the powers that be yo bear.

This thread has really been educative...
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by abdlkay(m): 12:39pm On Feb 25, 2022
doshiyad1:
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Following! All of them na the same thing. Let the winner take all. I only pity the innocent people of Ukraine honestly. God please show mercy and intervene for the very innocent ones. Amen!


Bro....you just hit the nail on the head, gbam!!! Make person no dey use sovereign nation as any excuse, where una dey when NATO/US Dem dey attack smaller countries wey be sovereign nation.

PS: Ain't supporting Russians/Putin's actions, just trying to say that, all this sh.... ain't got nothing to do with a countries sovereignty, just like what NATO/US do on a regular to LDCs or a passived enemy.
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by JOemmy(m): 12:41pm On Feb 25, 2022
Putin is really a very bad guy he kept denying that Russia doesn't have any intentions of invading Ukraine yet still ended up invading the country.
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by JOemmy(m): 12:44pm On Feb 25, 2022
Where is even the UN when you need them most what's stopping them from coming together and imposing a no fly zone order over Ukraine to stop this massive russian invasion?
Re: Why Putin Is Invading Ukraine? (The Cable) by sammysmiles(m): 12:54pm On Feb 25, 2022
embarassed
alabo1:
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You obviously don't know your History and only listen to Western rhetoric. Listen when the Soviet Union collapsed there was an understanding that the West through NATO would not extend beyond Germany since East Germany a former Russian controlled area was now reunited with West Germany.

However within half a decade a good deal of the Baltic States and former Soviet Republics has joined NATO giving the West the right to place weapons on Russian Borders. However what broke the Camels back was the attempt to bring Ukraine into NATO in 2014 by orchestrating the overthrow of an elected government violently and recognising the legitimacy of the coup plotters (Western Hypocrisy at its peak). The end point is that Russia would have lost Svestopol it's only warm sea port effectively ceasing to be a Naval Power and also losing one of its most important Buffer zones in the event of an invasion (the other being Belarus - check your map for a better understanding).
Putin is only doing what any true Nationalist Leader will do- protecting National Interests. Remember that the US was ready to go into an all out War with Russia over missile placement in Cuba? Cuba is farther away from the US than Ukraine is from Russia. Do you get the point now?
Today the US has missile bases in NATO countries all around Russia yet they call Russia the aggressor. Are you aware Putin himself offered to join NATO but was rejected.

Bottom line the West (America) needs an aggressor to fund its Military Industrial Complex and needs periodic wars and tensions for this. This crisis will lead to increased arms sales and increased Military spending. However the West knows Putin has won and nothing will change that - He cannot be stopped Military and Sanctions will have minimal effect as Russia has since removed dependence from Western supply chains and Financing..

Furthermore he is using an angle that the West used in former Yugoslavia by recognising self declared Republics and answering their call for Military aid(Remember Kosovo?). So there is a precedent.

Once more he has checkmated them. All hail the Grandmaster. Peace
When did Putin offered to join NATO and was rejected?

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