NGpatriot:



Keep quiet, go to your own anambra thread, the only reason you are hear ranting and raving like a mad man is because you are jealous and inseccure.

You anambra losers always feel inferior so when you see other people showing good things in their states, you annpoyiing and unrully anambra people start derailing with rubbish from your backward anambra village.

You don't send us, but you are here trying to commit suicide over other people's business, no sense at all..

Shameless peopple..

I[b] don't know the last time I engaged a Yoruba man on nairaland.

I have passed that stage, look for your colleagues or should I say people and bathe in mud with them.....I choptas not[/b]

Ofodirinwa:


There's a difference between city planning and planned city.

A better example would be Abuja v. Lagos. Abuja til this day is not profitable. If the government stopped supporting every aspect of it, it would collapse into nothing. Lagos, government or not, will always grow and always advance.

Lagos' location makes its growth organic. Abuja looks nice but it's a government project and has no lifeblood outside of government. I think giving incentives for Oguta business ppl or incentives for ppl to invest in Oguta is good, but building the investment (planned mega city) never works.

Lol.. Giving incentives to Oguta people to build Oguta is better than setting up a PPP scheme that will drive investment in Oguta.. na wa so much wisdom.

NwaforIgbo:


Lol.. Giving incentives to Oguta people to build Oguta is better than setting up a PPP scheme that will drive investment in Oguta.. na wa so much wisdom.

This isn't a conversation for emotional ndiyem words like 'nawao'. You're not talking to someone who doesn't know why he's saying what he's saying, and if we have passed the point that you can discuss then you're wasting your time.

Again, during the Iraq war, the US learned that big PPP projects drain money, don't produce results that justify their cost, increase corruption, and fail when the hype it's was born by dies. People who aren't progress oriented and want to wear the ornaments of progress are not willing to ask themselves if what they're doing works even when it looks good or sounds like progress. People in poor countries like the appearance of progress rather than progress so they're inclined towards projects that are big and shiny even if it's impractical and produces nothing.

Eko Atlantic does nothing for Lagos, and what it eventually will do (provide 3-4th homes for already wealthy people to vacation at) will not justify it's cost. All of the housing estates in the SE are owned by people who don't stay in Nigeria year round and many of those homes are the 3-4th home of that person. So these 'mega projects' 'ppp' etc don't do anything for anyone. We can keep repeating it because we're not problem solvers and nawao our way out of considering new thoughts like reptiles, or we can look at whether this is working and move accordingly.

Oguta has businesses. Those businesses need access to new customers, and the capacity to expand organically. Ways to give those businesses new customers.
1. Seaport
2. Riverport
3. Legislation allowing for both
4. Rail
5. Improved road network
6. Improved high-speed internet
7. Training in global sales and expansion (people making chairs in Oguta and selling them for 8K can fetch 30K for the same thing from customers in the US and UK if they knew how to use the internet and had reliable connection)
8. Create a site where companies in Oguta can sell their products to the government when the government needs supplies etc.

That's how you as government 'partner' with the private sector. Not build towers where there's no demand for towers because it 'looks' like progress. There is an Anambra man that build a tower in his village. Because nobody is interested in living or working in his village the tower is basically a statue. It's not useable or being used by anyone.

If there was a demand for a new 'smart city' in Oguta, it will organically arise. The government isn't building mansions in your village but they are arriving. What people need, they will create. You cannot create under the pretense that once you create it, they will use and need it.

Ofodirinwa:


This isn't a conversation for emotional ndiyem words like 'nawao'. You're not talking to someone who doesn't know why he's saying what he's saying, and if we have passed the point that you can discuss then you're wasting your time.

Again, during the Iraq war, the US learned that big PPP projects drain money, don't produce results that justify their cost, increase corruption, and fail when the hype it's was born by dies. People who aren't progress oriented and want to wear the ornaments of progress are not willing to ask themselves if what they're doing works even when it looks good or sounds like progress. People in poor countries like the appearance of progress rather than progress so they're inclined towards projects that are big and shiny even if it's impractical and produces nothing.

Eko Atlantic does nothing for Lagos, and what it eventually will do (provide 3-4th homes for already wealthy people to vacation at) will not justify it's cost. All of the housing estates in the SE are owned by people who don't stay in Nigeria year round and many of those homes are the 3-4th home of that person. So these 'mega projects' 'ppp' etc don't do anything for anyone. We can keep repeating it because we're not problem solvers and nawao our way out of considering new thoughts like reptiles, or we can look at whether this is working and move accordingly.

Oguta has businesses. Those businesses need access to new customers, and the capacity to expand organically. Ways to give those businesses new customers.
1. Seaport
2. Riverport
3. Legislation allowing for both
4. Rail
5. Improved road network
6. Improved high-speed internet
7. Training in global sales and expansion (people making chairs in Oguta and selling them for 8K can fetch 30K for the same thing from customers in the US and UK if they knew how to use the internet and had reliable connection)
8. Create a site where companies in Oguta can sell their products to the government when the government needs supplies etc.

That's how you as government 'partner' with the private sector. Not build towers where there's no demand for towers because it 'looks' like progress. There is an Anambra man that build a tower in his village. Because nobody is interested in living or working in his village the tower is basically a statue. It's not useable or being used by anyone.

If there was a demand for a new 'smart city' in Oguta, it will organically arise. The government isn't building mansions in your village but they are arriving. What people need, they will create. You cannot create under the pretense that once you create it, they will use and need it.

Did I in any way say or suggested that government should build a High-rise building in Oguta?

I said, first of all, there should be a plan on the ground that will motivate people to go there. Now you may ask what type of plan am I talking about, well its simple;

1. Buil a rail network that will be able to transport people from Oguta to Owerri in less than 30 mins
2. Setup a plan and structure for the planning of the new city.
3. Establish an agency that will ensure strict compliance and will ensure that the plans and standards of building across the length of the new city would not default.
5. Build infrastructures and utilities like power, internet, water, hospital, roads etc.
4. Set up a vehicle company that will mobilize and market the city for investors to buy into
5. At this time people would start buying and building
6. Now utilize the Oguta and use it to generate money via tourism and shipping.

Lol, you said Abuja that was built just 40 years ago is not growing?? Please see the pics below and change your stance.

BTW when you build a properly planned city, foreigners would love to visit, spend money and stay there. Thereby increasing revenue. As it stands I've not seen any proper city in SE that is livable by international standard, no SE state has a proper CBD.

sanctity454:
Dan Anyiam stadium adds Olympic 50 x 25 size swimming pool to it's collection

ihedioha renovated this stadium same thing with hope uzodinma yet that stadium remain the same, does it mean we can't afford something similar to edo and asaba kind of stadium in imo state? I watched heartland home game the other day i was mad. We need to remold that stadium i never see stadium with perimeter fence before it looks very ugly, we can't host anything there

NwaforIgbo:


Did I in any way say or suggested that government should build a High-rise building in Oguta?

I said, first of all, there should be a plan on the ground that will motivate people to go there. Now you may ask what type of plan am I talking about, well its simple;

1. Buil a rail network that will be able to transport people from Oguta to Owerri in less than 30 mins
2. Setup a plan and structure for the planning of the new city.
3. Establish an agency that will ensure strict compliance and will ensure that the plans and standards of building across the length of the new city would not default.
5. Build infrastructures and utilities like power, internet, water, hospital, roads etc.
4. Set up a vehicle company that will mobilize and market the city for investors to buy into
5. At this time people would start buying and building
6. Now utilize the Oguta and use it to generate money via tourism and shipping.

Lol, you said Abuja that was built just 40 years ago is not growing?? Please see the pics below and change your stance.

BTW when you build a properly planned city, foreigners would love to visit, spend money and stay there. Thereby increasing revenue. As it stands I've not seen any proper city in SE that is livable by international standard.

I believe the point ofodirinwa is trying to sale is that smart city is not what oguta actually need now, but an economic viable ventures like seaport, industrial parks then infrastructures, which will empower oguta residents economically to be able to afford modern properties like skyscrapers, smart homes etc, instead of first building the grandeur luxury apartments, with hope of attracting already rich personalities to buy into it.

anselem87:
ihedioha renovated this stadium same thing with hope uzodinma yet that stadium remain the same, does it mean we can't afford something similar to edo and asaba kind of stadium in imo state? I watched heartland home game the other day i was mad. We need to remold that stadium i never see stadium with perimeter fence before it looks very ugly, we can't host anything there

Personally I think, the place should be sold to private investors to manage and convert to sports arena, and a brand new stadium built around airport road or umuguma or Ohaji axis, I don't fancy the Stadium at all.

sanctity454:


I believe the point ofodirinwa is trying to sale is that smart city is not what oguta actually need now, but an economic viable ventures like a seaport, industrial parks then infrastructures, which will empower oguta residents economically to be able to afford modern properties like skyscrapers, smart homes etc, instead of first building the grandeur luxury apartments, with hope of attracting already rich personalities to buy into it.

The city is not for Oguta people to build. Think of it as a global or trans-african campaign. Moreover is not something I think would be viable too quick, but of course before 20 years time it will materialize. Or are you saying Oguta people can not afford to build scrappers or decent buildings in 20 years time if people start transiting from there to Owerri within 30mins?

Moreover, every city needs infrastructure and industries to survive so that people can be able to work and pay rent. But don't you think someone can live in Oguta and work in Owerri? Possible right, that is where we need a rail that can connect that place to owerri and make it faster for transition.

Oguta is special and has characteristics of a viable place to build a city that will would cater for residential, industrial and tourism purposes.

You people are not getting the big picture. Nigeria just signed a MoU with Algeria and Niger to transport gas from Nigeria to Europe (https://www.dw.com/en/eu-russia-struggle-for-stake-in-trans-saharan-gas-pipeline/a-4461768)

Where do you think the bulk of those gas would come from? Imo of course, shell just discovered 1.5 trillion cubic tonnes of gas in Ohaji/Egbema/Oguta/Oru West axis alone. Same proximity to Oguta lake.. you people are not getting the big picture.

See references to grasp the glory Owerri will soon bath in.

- https://africaoilgasreport.com/2018/11/oil-patch-sub-sahara/shell-finds-over-1-trillion-cubic-feet-of-gas-in-eastern-nigeria/

- https://nairametrics.com/2021/06/29/eureka-as-nigeria-accidentally-discovers-gas-while-searching-for-oil/

- https://www.spglobal.com/commodity-insights/en/market-insights/latest-news/natural-gas/110921-nigerias-seplat-targets-mid-2022-startup-for-delayed-anoh-gas-project

- http://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2021/06/29/opiah-with-18-recovered-oil-wells-imo-now-fourth-highest-producing-state/

- https://www.dw.com/en/eu-russia-struggle-for-stake-in-trans-saharan-gas-pipeline/a-4461768

- https://guardian.ng/apo-press-releases/europe-can-look-to-africa-as-preferred-gas-supplier/

- https://guardian.ng/apo-press-releases/europe-can-look-to-africa-as-preferred-gas-supplier/

- https://guardian.ng/news/nnpc-stakeholders-target-gas-revolution-in-south-east/

- https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2020/10/20/south-east-crucial-to-nigerias-gas-industry-revolution-says-fg/

-https://africabusinesscommunities.com/news/shell_to_build_3_5_billion_dollar_gas_plant_in_imo.html

NwaforIgbo:


The city is not for Oguta people to build. Think of it as a global or trans-african campaign. Moreover is not something I think would be viable too quick, but of course before 20 years time it will materialize. Or are you saying Oguta people can not afford to build scrappers or decent buildings in 20 years time if people start transiting from there to Owerri within 30mins?

Moreover, every city needs infrastructure and industries to survive so that people can be able to work and pay rent. But don't you think someone can live in Oguta and work in Owerri? Possible right, that is where we need a rail that can connect that place to owerri and make it faster for transition.

Oguta is special and has characteristics of a viable place to build a city that will would cater for residential, industrial and tourism purposes.

Do they need skyscrapers or to skyscrapers look good and you want the place to look good. Either answer is fine but I'm saying we have to start thinking in another way as far as development. We get too concerned with looking developed and that's a goal that 9/10 times has failed.

Donald duke started it in our generation what the things he built in random places in Cross Rivers like Ibom Tropicana...nothing.
Now Eco Atlantic is being bought up by people who are on their 3-4th home and don't even live or work in Nigeria.

If there's an argument to be made about adding one to Oguta, It's worth considering but I don't think there is one. All of the towers in Manhattan NY, not one of them was a government project. What made them emerge? The volume of business created a demand to be on that land. The demand made land lords build up. The higher their built the more money they can make. If I build a 20 story in Oguta, will people come? I don't really think do.


Something has to come before it, and that's an increase in the volume of business being done in Oguta, mixed with a reduction in the availability of land. Then people will naturally build up and a smart city that's real will emerge. Not these middle eastern toy cities that don't go anywhere.


I would recommend working with the businesses already in Oguta to see what they need to expand their capacity. Their capacity expands, they need more workers. More workers create more demand for homes. More homes creates more demand for business. When the current availability has reached a peak, people will build something new to house the new challenges. How can you up the capacity of businesses in Oguta

1. Transportation: It has to be easier to move people and goods around in Oguta than other places. Rail, Sea, Land, Air, Digital
2. Modernity: Modern commerce is online. Any Nigerian city with stable internet and light will attract business
3. Comfort: Someone has to feel like they won't be missing anything good about life if they move to Oguta
4. Marketing: People have to know that things have changed in Oguta

These things don't require giant projects and manifestos

Oguta has higher economic potentials than Owerri, but they're not being met because the #1 industry in the east right now is tourism and Owerri has positioned itself to take advantage of that (geography, and the airport did most of the work)




You're not saying something that's not sensible, but I'm offering my ideas as something to consider. 'Big projects' don't work, especially government pretending to be a business.

NwaforIgbo:


Did I in any way say or suggested that government should build a High-rise building in Oguta?

I said, first of all, there should be a plan on the ground that will motivate people to go there. Now you may ask what type of plan am I talking about, well its simple;

1. Buil a rail network that will be able to transport people from Oguta to Owerri in less than 30 mins
2. Setup a plan and structure for the planning of the new city.
3. Establish an agency that will ensure strict compliance and will ensure that the plans and standards of building across the length of the new city would not default.
5. Build infrastructures and utilities like power, internet, water, hospital, roads etc.
4. Set up a vehicle company that will mobilize and market the city for investors to buy into
5. At this time people would start buying and building
6. Now utilize the Oguta and use it to generate money via tourism and shipping.

Lol, you said Abuja that was built just 40 years ago is not growing?? Please see the pics below and change your stance.

BTW when you build a properly planned city, foreigners would love to visit, spend money and stay there. Thereby increasing revenue. As it stands I've not seen any proper city in SE that is livable by international standard, no SE state has a proper CBD.

What will foreigners do for you? If you go to where those foreigners live, the Igbo people there are doing better than them. What 1 person does for the eastern economy during december time in there village, 50 years of Shell oil has not done in anywhere in Bayelsa.
Abuja is a government department. It does not make a profit and it is not a place where business thrives. I can name several great businesses that were built from Lagos, Onitsha, Owerri, Aba, Nnewi. I cannot do the same for Abuja. There are branches there, but people who want to build a business from the bottom up (which is where real prosperity comes from) don't come out of Abuja.


Most of what you listed sounds good as well. I don't think we disagree to much, I just don't agree with building a 'smart city' in Oguta. I'm also against the adding of 'new cities' and 'new districts' rather than fixing the previous one or upgrading the previous one.

Oguta natives need to start a fund. Everyone will contribute to the fund, and the fund will help anyone who wants to build a factory in Oguta with funding after 2 years in operation. Or a shipping company, or nautical tourism company that will move goods and people through Oguta up and down the Niger, Imo river, Nbaja and even the Atlantic coast. They can work with companies that are already there. Those people making gate doors on the side of the road are industrialists. They have a customer base, they just need a boost to expand.

Our mentality as africans is to go and find a foreigner who is not regarded in their own country. They build some bloated thing that has not stood the test of time. Anytime one kpim happens they run.

Meanwhile you have people in every village making gates, chairs, food etc. These are tested and proven industrialists, boost then and they will still survive. They will stay because they know the terrain and they are doing something that has proven valuable to the town.

Ofodirinwa:


Do they need skyscrapers or to skyscrapers look good and you want the place to look good. Either answer is fine but I'm saying we have to start thinking in another way as far as development. We get too concerned with looking developed and that's a goal that 9/10 times has failed.

Donald duke started it in our generation what the things he built in random places in Cross Rivers like Ibom Tropicana...nothing.
Now Eco Atlantic is being bought up by people who are on their 3-4th home and don't even live or work in Nigeria.

If there's an argument to be made about adding one to Oguta, It's worth considering but I don't think there is one. All of the towers in Manhattan NY, not one of them was a government project. What made them emerge? The volume of business created a demand to be on that land. The demand made land lords build up. The higher their built the more money they can make. If I build a 20 story in Oguta, will people come? I don't really think do.


Something has to come before it, and that's an increase in the volume of business being done in Oguta, mixed with a reduction in the availability of land. Then people will naturally build up and a smart city that's real will emerge. Not these middle eastern toy cities that don't go anywhere.


I would recommend working with the businesses already in Oguta to see what they need to expand their capacity. Their capacity expands, they need more workers. More workers create more demand for homes. More homes creates more demand for business. When the current availability has reached a peak, people will build something new to house the new challenges. How can you up the capacity of businesses in Oguta

1. Transportation: It has to be easier to move people and goods around in Oguta than other places. Rail, Sea, Land, Air, Digital
2. Modernity: Modern commerce is online. Any Nigerian city with stable internet and light will attract business
3. Comfort: Someone has to feel like they won't be missing anything good about life if they move to Oguta
4. Marketing: People have to know that things have changed in Oguta

These things don't require giant projects and manifestos

Oguta has higher economic potentials than Owerri, but they're not being met because the #1 industry in the east right now is tourism and Owerri has positioned itself to take advantage of that (geography, and the airport did most of the work)




You're not saying something that's not sensible, but I'm offering my ideas as something to consider. 'Big projects' don't work, especially government pretending to be a business.

I understand your point. We are even saying the same thing. I also believe the infrastructure should be there for people to come and build on and not he other way round. That is why i am emphasizing the need to make it quicker for people to transit from Owerri to Oguta so that Oguta can tap from the population of Owerri to build it's population.

As for buisnesses, I am sure that Oguta will host many multinational companies in years to come.

Nigeria just signed a MoU with Algeria and Niger to transport gas from Nigeria to Europe (https://www.dw.com/en/eu-russia-struggle-for-stake-in-trans-saharan-gas-pipeline/a-4461768)

The bulk of those gas would come from Imo of course. Shell just discovered 1.5 trillion cubic tonnes of gas in Ohaji/Egbema/Oguta/Oru West axis alone. Same proximity to Oguta lake.

See references to grasp the glory Oguta will soon bath in.

- https://africaoilgasreport.com/2018/11/oil-patch-sub-sahara/shell-finds-over-1-trillion-cubic-feet-of-gas-in-eastern-nigeria/

- https://nairametrics.com/2021/06/29/eureka-as-nigeria-accidentally-discovers-gas-while-searching-for-oil/

- https://www.spglobal.com/commodity-insights/en/market-insights/latest-news/natural-gas/110921-nigerias-seplat-targets-mid-2022-startup-for-delayed-anoh-gas-project

- http://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2021/06/29/opiah-with-18-recovered-oil-wells-imo-now-fourth-highest-producing-state/

- https://www.dw.com/en/eu-russia-struggle-for-stake-in-trans-saharan-gas-pipeline/a-4461768

- https://guardian.ng/apo-press-releases/europe-can-look-to-africa-as-preferred-gas-supplier/

- https://guardian.ng/apo-press-releases/europe-can-look-to-africa-as-preferred-gas-supplier/

- https://guardian.ng/news/nnpc-stakeholders-target-gas-revolution-in-south-east/

- https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2020/10/20/south-east-crucial-to-nigerias-gas-industry-revolution-says-fg/

-https://africabusinesscommunities.com/news/shell_to_build_3_5_billion_dollar_gas_plant_in_imo.html

Ofodirinwa:



What will foreigners do for you? If you go to where those foreigners live, the Igbo people there are doing better than them. What 1 person does for the eastern economy during december time in there village, 50 years of Shell oil has not done in anywhere in Bayelsa.
Abuja is a government department. It does not make a profit and it is not a place where business thrives. I can name several great businesses that were built from Lagos, Onitsha, Owerri, Aba, Nnewi. I cannot do the same for Abuja. There are branches there, but people who want to build a business from the bottom up (which is where real prosperity comes from) don't come out of Abuja.


Most of what you listed sounds good as well. I don't think we disagree to much, I just don't agree with building a 'smart city' in Oguta. I'm also against the adding of 'new cities' and 'new districts' rather than fixing the previous one or upgrading the previous one.

The bolded does not make sense to me.. Maybe u should do a quick search on how much Israel and Dubai make from foreingners.

Ofodirinwa:
Oguta natives need to start a fund. Everyone will contribute to the fund, and the fund will help anyone who wants to build a factory in Oguta with funding after 2 years in operation. Or a shipping company, or nautical tourism company that will move goods and people through Oguta up and down the Niger, Imo river, Nbaja and even the Atlantic coast. They can work with companies that are already there. Those people making gate doors on the side of the road are industrialists. They have a customer base, they just need a boost to expand.

Our mentality as africans is to go and find a foreigner who is not regarded in their own country. They build some bloated thing that has not stood the test of time. Anytime one kpim happens they run.

Meanwhile you have people in every village making gates, chairs, food etc. These are tested and proven industrialists, boost then and they will still survive. They will stay because they know the terrain and they are doing something that has proven valuable to the town

It depends on the foreingner bro. Can any business man in Oguta cough out $1 Biilion to invest heavily there?

NwaforIgbo:



It depends on the foreingner bro. Can any business man in Oguta cough out $1 Biilion to invest heavily there?

Can a foreigner? Everyone that has $1 billion to invest, you know them by name lol
Worst, once they hear one person has had a car accident or has been kidnapped, they'll run away.

NwaforIgbo:


The bolded does not make sense to me.. Maybe u should do a quick search on how much Israel and Dubai make from foreingners.

Israel = Jews
Israeli Foreigners = Jews in other countries

Dubai is yeye lol. It's just noise with no substance. Because of it's dependence of foreigners, Dubai's economic growth dropped 72% these last few years because of corona. The issue with foreign investment in terms of non-natives, is it's fickle. Any inconvenience and they run. Imagine losing your job or your economy every time bad news comes out of Nigeria.

There's nothing wrong with foreign investment but it's not a development strategy. It's a temporary boost at best. It will never amount to more than 5% of a healthy economy. The money a foreign investor can make in Oguta will do more for Oguta if it's being made by someone who is actually from there.

Almost all of hotels in Owerri are foreign investments. But they're foreigner based Igbo people and when nepa takes light, or someone gets kidnapped, they won't run. Even Shell is pulling out of Nigeria bro.

NwaforIgbo:


I understand your point. We are even saying the same thing. I also believe the infrastructure should be there for people to come and build on and not he other way round. That is why i am emphasizing the need to make it quicker for people to transit from Owerri to Oguta so that Oguta can tap from the population of Owerri to build it's population.

As for buisnesses, I am sure that Oguta will host many multinational companies in years to come.

Nigeria just signed a MoU with Algeria and Niger to transport gas from Nigeria to Europe (https://www.dw.com/en/eu-russia-struggle-for-stake-in-trans-saharan-gas-pipeline/a-4461768)

The bulk of those gas would come from Imo of course. Shell just discovered 1.5 trillion cubic tonnes of gas in Ohaji/Egbema/Oguta/Oru West axis alone. Same proximity to Oguta lake.

See references to grasp the glory Oguta will soon bath in.

- https://africaoilgasreport.com/2018/11/oil-patch-sub-sahara/shell-finds-over-1-trillion-cubic-feet-of-gas-in-eastern-nigeria/

- https://nairametrics.com/2021/06/29/eureka-as-nigeria-accidentally-discovers-gas-while-searching-for-oil/

- https://www.spglobal.com/commodity-insights/en/market-insights/latest-news/natural-gas/110921-nigerias-seplat-targets-mid-2022-startup-for-delayed-anoh-gas-project

- http://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2021/06/29/opiah-with-18-recovered-oil-wells-imo-now-fourth-highest-producing-state/

- https://www.dw.com/en/eu-russia-struggle-for-stake-in-trans-saharan-gas-pipeline/a-4461768

- https://guardian.ng/apo-press-releases/europe-can-look-to-africa-as-preferred-gas-supplier/

- https://guardian.ng/apo-press-releases/europe-can-look-to-africa-as-preferred-gas-supplier/

- https://guardian.ng/news/nnpc-stakeholders-target-gas-revolution-in-south-east/

- https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2020/10/20/south-east-crucial-to-nigerias-gas-industry-revolution-says-fg/

-https://africabusinesscommunities.com/news/shell_to_build_3_5_billion_dollar_gas_plant_in_imo.html

I admire your optimism against the odds......which runs counter to what we know of how hydrocarbon rich villages, towns and cities in the Niger-Delta and the south-east have 'benefited' from what God blessed them with! Moreso the south-east, that we all know has been ganged-up against and schemed out of enjoying the full benefits derived from said resources domiciled in their region!

The only way Oguta in particular and Imo in general can fully benefit from their gas is if the polity is FULLY restructured so everyone can own and control their resources....either that, or the dissolution of the federation so everyone can go answer their papa name!

IGBOSON1:


I admire your optimism against the odds......which runs counter to what we know of how hydrocarbon rich villages, towns and cities in the Niger-Delta and the south-east have 'benefited' from what God blessed them with! Moreso the south-east, that we all know has been ganged-up against and schemed out of enjoying the full benefits derived from said resources domiciled in their region!

The only way Oguta in particular and Imo in general can fully benefit from their gas is if the polity is FULLY restructured so everyone can own and control their resources....either that, or the dissolution of the federation so everyone can go answer their papa name!

Oguta's success is inevitable because of it's geography and it's populated by Igbo people. We're a very productive group so I'm not worried. What I would like to see is us as africans letting go of this idea of foreign investment. There's billions of dollars in oil under your village. Rather than thinking of how to extract and refine it and become a billionaire you are inviting 'foreign investors' to come collect the billions and give you N50K pipeline security contract.

The minute someone says 'there is oil' anywhere in Igboland, we should all be thinking 'how can I get in' not 'if someone from belgium comes and gets this money, I can get a job cleaning their temporary residence.'

We should also be taking Biafra as an option very seriously. There no reason for us to have to share our inheritance with hostile people who we don't benefit from.

Ofodirinwa:


Do they need skyscrapers or to skyscrapers look good and you want the place to look good. Either answer is fine but I'm saying we have to start thinking in another way as far as development. We get too concerned with looking developed and that's a goal that 9/10 times has failed.

Donald duke started it in our generation what the things he built in random places in Cross Rivers like Ibom Tropicana...nothing.
Now Eco Atlantic is being bought up by people who are on their 3-4th home and don't even live or work in Nigeria.

If there's an argument to be made about adding one to Oguta, It's worth considering but I don't think there is one. All of the towers in Manhattan NY, not one of them was a government project. What made them emerge? The volume of business created a demand to be on that land. The demand made land lords build up. The higher their built the more money they can make. If I build a 20 story in Oguta, will people come? I don't really think do.


Something has to come before it, and that's an increase in the volume of business being done in Oguta, mixed with a reduction in the availability of land. Then people will naturally build up and a smart city that's real will emerge. Not these middle eastern toy cities that don't go anywhere.


I would recommend working with the businesses already in Oguta to see what they need to expand their capacity. Their capacity expands, they need more workers. More workers create more demand for homes. More homes creates more demand for business. When the current availability has reached a peak, people will build something new to house the new challenges. How can you up the capacity of businesses in Oguta

1. Transportation: It has to be easier to move people and goods around in Oguta than other places. Rail, Sea, Land, Air, Digital
2. Modernity: Modern commerce is online. Any Nigerian city with stable internet and light will attract business
3. Comfort: Someone has to feel like they won't be missing anything good about life if they move to Oguta
4. Marketing: People have to know that things have changed in Oguta

These things don't require giant projects and manifestos

Oguta has higher economic potentials than Owerri, but they're not being met because the #1 industry in the east right now is tourism and Owerri has positioned itself to take advantage of that (geography, and the airport did most of the work)




You're not saying something that's not sensible, but I'm offering my ideas as something to consider. 'Big projects' don't work, especially government pretending to be a business.

These is very correct, we Nigerians often love shiny things at the detriment of community needs. A governor who builds flyovers is appreciated more than the one who builds health centers and markets.
Those asking for skyscrapers should understand that it's a byproduct of needs and individuals with the resources to build them.

IGBOSON1:


I admire your optimism against the odds......which runs counter to what we know of how hydrocarbon rich villages, towns and cities in the Niger-Delta and the south-east have 'benefited' from what God blessed them with! Moreso the south-east, that we all know has been ganged-up against and schemed out of enjoying the full benefits derived from said resources domiciled in their region!

The only way Oguta in particular and Imo, in general, can fully benefit from their gas is if the polity is FULLY restructured so everyone can own and control their resources....either that or the dissolution of the federation so everyone can go answer their papa name!

I agree with the restructuring par of what you said, but before then at least oil and gas bearing communities will enjoy the 5% gas/oil derivation (thanks to the new PIB Bill) together with the state's 13% derivation... At least that will bring more money to the state and communityity.

Ofodirinwa:


Can a foreigner? Everyone that has $1 billion to invest, you know them by name lol
Worst, once they hear one person has had a car accident or has been kidnapped, they'll run away.

The only thing that interests foreigners and attracts them to Nigeria is the investment opportunity of tourism. Which foreigner will come and stay in Nigeria to find work or job? When I mean foreigners I am not referring to poor people without capital. I mean foreign investors.

Ofodirinwa:


Israel = Jews
Israeli Foreigners = Jews in other countries

Dubai is yeye lol. It's just noise with no substance. Because of it's dependence of foreigners, Dubai's economic growth dropped 72% these last few years because of corona. The issue with foreign investment in terms of non-natives, is it's fickle. Any inconvenience and they run. Imagine losing your job or your economy every time bad news comes out of Nigeria.

There's nothing wrong with foreign investment but it's not a development strategy. It's a temporary boost at best. It will never amount to more than 5% of a healthy economy. The money a foreign investor can make in Oguta will do more for Oguta if it's being made by someone who is actually from there.


Almost all of hotels in Owerri are foreign investments. But they're foreigner based Igbo people and when nepa takes light, or someone gets kidnapped, they won't run. Even Shell is pulling out of Nigeria bro.

U are not making sense... FDI is what every country needs to grow its economy. Yes, it has its disadvantages but the advantages outweigh its disadvantage. If not for Shell which started oil exploration in the early '90s do you think anyone in Nigeria would've been able/willing to invest money in exploration? Now today our local oil coys can now explore and refine. Thanks to FDI which has not only brought capital but also experience and knowledge.

And you said Dubai is yeye?? SMH how do you mean? Did they inform you that they are in a recession? Please give me a reference. If you want to refer to COVID countries' economy dropped during COVID even CHina and US.

So emphasizing the demerit of FDI only does not sound right.

boyfrank:


These is very correct, we Nigerians often love shiny things at the detriment of community needs. A governor who builds flyovers is appreciated more than the one who builds health centers and markets.
Those asking for skyscrapers should understand that it's a byproduct of needs and individuals with the resources to build them.

So you think SE shouldn'e have scrappers?

Ofodirinwa:


Oguta's success is inevitable because of it's geography and it's populated by Igbo people. We're a very productive group so I'm not worried. What I would like to see is us as africans letting go of this idea of foreign investment. There's billions of dollars in oil under your village. Rather than thinking of how to extract and refine it and become a billionaire you are inviting 'foreign investors' to come collect the billions and give you N50K pipeline security contract.

The minute someone says 'there is oil' anywhere in Igboland, we should all be thinking 'how can I get in' not 'if someone from belgium comes and gets this money, I can get a job cleaning their temporary residence.'

We should also be taking Biafra as an option very seriously. There no reason for us to have to share our inheritance with hostile people who we don't benefit from.

Before you talk about Biafra you should have relevance.. As at now SE has no political or economic relevance to Nigeria

NwaforIgbo:


So you think SE shouldn'e have scrappers?

Anybody who have the resources should build it. But understand that we need constant electricity and water supply b4 skyscrapers. What happens when power is interrupted as we often have? The elevators get hung.

boyfrank:


Anybody who have the resources should build it. But understand that we need constant electricity and water supply b4 skyscrapers. What happens when power is interrupted as we often have? The elevators get hung.

I'm being futuristic. It's not something that can be achieved so quickly...

For those that are not seeing the goldmine of building a high-rise/skyscraper in Owerri, this thread is for you!

https://www.nairaland.com/7018123/owerri-property-instead-hotel-see

boyfrank:


Anybody who have the resources should build it. But understand that we need constant electricity and water supply b4 skyscrapers. What happens when power is interrupted as we often have? The elevators get hung.

Is there any serious business in Nigeria today that does not use a standby generating set? Are you aware that when people use a centralized power generating system they end up paying less individually?

When you a build skyscraper in a CBD like Wetheral road, you will definitely attract big/successful brands, particular those that use light throughout the working hours. For instance, if a company like MTN or bank branches spend 1 million naira monthly on diesel and EEDC, when they share such resources with others, they will leverage economies of scale and end up spending much less!

Another huge advantage is that, such a building will become a melting point of economic activities and any business located there will attract more customers than a similar brand located elsewhere. Someone that wants to go to a bank will rather go to the one located there so they can do other things like going to an eatery, paying their pay TV subscription, or other brands like MTN, GLO etc. without leaving the building. The result? Less stress and less expenses!