donjazet:


Oshey talent spotter, can you give us visible reasons, metrics and indices to which we should use to know the "generational talents"? If Kingsley coman and nabry, or foden are not generational talents, who else is and how do we assess them?

Generational talents stand up when it matters most . Look at all our big games, if you don't see a pattern yet, then there is nothing to discuss. The only thing missing in his game right now is consistency.

swiz123:


Generational talents stand up when it matters most . Look at all our big games, if you don't see a pattern yet, then there is nothing to discuss. The only thing missing in his game right now is consistency.

And that’s because he is still young. Consistency will come.

Havertz10:
those aren't generational talents

Like pep said, stats have blinded most of you

If Chelsea is playing a final tomorrow, there is no Chelsea fan that wouldn't expect him to start or have their optimism boosted by his selection

Statement of fact, those weasels that you mentioned don't have such reputation

Hahahahaha

swiz123:


Generational talents stand up when it matters most . Look at all our big games, if you don't see a pattern yet, then there is nothing to discuss. The only thing missing in his game right now is consistency.

First of all, how does someone with only 3 career champions league goals in almost 30 appearances be regarded as a big game player?? Are there any fixtures bigger than the champions league?

Secondly, Havertz has scored a total of 8 goals this season. Half of them against Burnley. I don't know when Burnley became a big game. Apart from that, does someone with 8 goals in 33 appearances this season look like a big game player?

The guy MIGHT have potential. But there is no distinction between him and how lingard, chamberlain or Walcott looked in their heyday.

How many big games has he scored in? Torres is regarded as a flop even though he scored some crucial goals. He just never had the consistent streak expected of him.

In havertz 2 seasons with us, he's averaging 1 goal in 4 matches. That's very pitiful. Again, how do we know generational talents??
Origi has scored very vital goals for Liverpool, does he qualify?

drisham:
Omo ehn this life.. a series of. Bad event can just ruin someone's life

Was it not just Saturday I was all jolly ant Chelsea winning

Only for me to be cornered by thieves on Tuesday this bastards in Lagos now carry POS

They took my atm and wiped everything in my bank acct

Sorry about your ordeal bro

Tuchel says Pulisic, Havertz and Mount have a good link up.

donjazet:


First of all, how does someone with only 3 career champions league goals in almost 30 appearances be regarded as a big game player?? Are there any fixtures bigger than the champions league?

Secondly, Havertz has scored a total of 8 goals this season. Half of them against Burnley. I don't know when Burnley became a big game. Apart from that, does someone with 8 goals in 33 appearances this season look like a big game player?

The guy MIGHT have potential. But there is no distinction between him and how lingard, chamberlain or Walcott looked in their heyday.

How many big games has he scored in? Torres is regarded as a flop even though he scored some crucial goals. He just never had the consistent streak expected of him.

In havertz 2 seasons with us, he's averaging 1 goal in 4 matches. That's very pitiful. Again, how do we know generational talents??
Origi has scored very vital goals for Liverpool, does he qualify?

donjazet:


First of all, how does someone with only 3 career champions league goals in almost 30 appearances be regarded as a big game player?? Are there any fixtures bigger than the champions league?

Secondly, Havertz has scored a total of 8 goals this season. Half of them against Burnley. I don't know when Burnley became a big game. Apart from that, does someone with 8 goals in 33 appearances this season look like a big game player?

The guy MIGHT have potential. But there is no distinction between him and how lingard, chamberlain or Walcott looked in their heyday.

How many big games has he scored in? Torres is regarded as a flop even though he scored some crucial goals. He just never had the consistent streak expected of him.

In havertz 2 seasons with us, he's averaging 1 goal in 4 matches. That's very pitiful. Again, how do we know generational talents??
Origi has scored very vital goals for Liverpool, does he qualify?

See as you dey rub facts on their faces.

donjazet:


First of all, how does someone with only 3 career champions league goals in almost 30 appearances be regarded as a big game player?? Are there any fixtures bigger than the champions league?

Secondly, Havertz has scored a total of 8 goals this season. Half of them against Burnley. I don't know when Burnley became a big game. Apart from that, does someone with 8 goals in 33 appearances this season look like a big game player?

The guy MIGHT have potential. But there is no distinction between him and how lingard, chamberlain or Walcott looked in their heyday.

How many big games has he scored in? Torres is regarded as a flop even though he scored some crucial goals. He just never had the consistent streak expected of him.

In havertz 2 seasons with us, he's averaging 1 goal in 4 matches. That's very pitiful. Again, how do we know generational talents??
Origi has scored very vital goals for Liverpool, does he qualify?

Some of all this generational talent merchants Sha... that's how they shouted for dejong, deligt, jo Felix now they've stagnated the noise reduce...the only player i will consider calling a generational talent is one that is so far ahead of their peers they always stand out...The original Ronaldo at 18 was one of the best player in the world, at 21 he was in the goat conversation but havertz with 8 goals is a generational talent...tueh!!!

I am still asking those if those who called Havertz a generational talent ever watched ODEGAARD playing before? Generational talent bring others to play their way,they don't wait for others to plays. For now I have not seen anything remotely generational about Havertz. Even his fellow country man like Marcos Reus showed more promising signs at an early age that this one with us. I am Chelsea fan so if he there comes good better for me but for now there is nothing special about his game.

donjazet:


First of all, how does someone with only 3 career champions league goals in almost 30 appearances be regarded as a big game player?? Are there any fixtures bigger than the champions league?

Secondly, Havertz has scored a total of 8 goals this season. Half of them against Burnley. I don't know when Burnley became a big game. Apart from that, does someone with 8 goals in 33 appearances this season look like a big game player?

The guy MIGHT have potential. But there is no distinction between him and how lingard, chamberlain or Walcott looked in their heyday.

How many big games has he scored in? Torres is regarded as a flop even though he scored some crucial goals. He just never had the consistent streak expected of him.

In havertz 2 seasons with us, he's averaging 1 goal in 4 matches. That's very pitiful. Again, how do we know generational talents??
Origi has scored very vital goals for Liverpool, does he qualify?

How many games did Havertz actually start? I can see stats is everything to you. Havertz rarely has a bad game when we play those clutch matches; he never gets overwhelmed in the moment. I don't berate players for having poor stats, I berate them for actually playing rubbish, eg Lukaku.

I don't really fancy arguing football with stats; it makes me come off as a Wikipedia analyst. I analyse football mostly on what I see a player do and how his actions propel the managers tactics. For example, I look at Ziyech trying to unluck Lukaku and instantly knew that that rubbish will never be sustainable. Had Lukaku managed to score a few goals from Ziyech's numerous crosses, Wikipedia analyst has seen everything he needs to see. At the end of the season, Wikipedia analyst can never corroborate how playing to Lukaku's strength is the reason why we went trophyless if such claims were made by eagle-eyed analysts.

So in essence the tag generational talent is not by "doings" but by trust me bro analysis...OK

swiz123:


How many games did Havertz actually start? I can see stats is everything to you. Havertz rarely has a bad game when we play those clutch matches; he never gets overwhelmed in the moment. I don't berate players for having poor stats, I berate them for actually playing rubbish, eg Lukaku.
I don't really fancy arguing football with stats; it makes me come off as a Wikipedia analyst. I analyse football mostly on what I see a player do and how his actions propel the managers tactics. For example, I look at Ziyech trying to unluck Lukaku and instantly knew that that rubbish will never be sustainable. Had Lukaku managed to score a few goals from Ziyech's numerous crosses, Wikipedia analyst has seen everything he needs to see. At the end of the season, Wikipedia analyst can never corroborate how playing to Lukaku's strength is the reason why we went trophyless if such claims were made by eagle-eyed analysts.

For attackers, stats is all that matters. Midfielders, defenders, subjectively so. An attacker can only be judged by his goals and assists.

Again, if not by stats for attackers, especially "generational talents", what do we use?

How do you convince me that one is a generational talent? What maps them out separately from others?

izzou:


So sorry bro.

Once it's evenings, don't use ATMs. I don't use any ATM once it's evenings (whether the machine is in the bank's premises or outside).

I have come to realise that there are more thieves lurking around at night.

If you want to withdraw, do it in the morning...say 5:30am to 6am. It's much better and safer than nights.

Only God fit save us finally



Yeah

Desperate times call for desperate measures

It isn't about using ATM or not.

Just hope/wish u don't meet them anytime.

Cos ur lack of ATM or very low amount in the card could send u to an early grave.

Those men are heartless and could waste you once you trigger them or rather waste their planned time and action

"Let me just type for the sake the of it Nigeria limited"

popizaino:
I am still asking those if those who called Havertz a generational talent ever watched ODEGAARD playing before? Generational talent bring others to play their way,they don't wait for others to plays. For now I have not seen anything remotely generational about Havertz. Even his fellow country man like Marcos Reus showed more promising signs at an early age that this one with us. I am Chelsea fan so if he there comes good better for me but for now there is nothing special about his game.

funny that Madrid had odeguard and were actively chasing havertz, they even sold the so called generational talent

If only they had popizaino to open their eyes

After all is said and done, its undisputable that in clutch games against the best teams, havertz thrives

He showed it against Portugal
Against city
Against Liverpool
Against Madrid

The records are there

Amoto94:
Tuchel says Pulisic, Havertz and Mount have a good link up.

I had high hopes for Lukaku, but at this point, I believe this jibe is for him.

Havertz is a generational talent......


Proof="just trust Me or maybe final's game.

Pulisic scored and assisted vs Madrid but he he is not havertz.

Kante got d best player but "oh no"it isnt important.

Lukaku scored a good goal in WC final but havertz penalty was more important.

Mount sent a well placed assist from d midfield but it was havertz that gestuculated.

Lukaku cancelled goal was the most legit vs Liverpool but havertz' rightly cancelled goal was more important .

Oga say make them mark him word say havertz goal carry B"dor"..

Werey everywhere.....

donjazet:


For attackers, stats is all that matters. Midfielders, defenders, subjectively so. An attacker can only be judged by his goals and assists.

Again, if not by stats for attackers, especially "generational talents", what do we use?

How do you convince me that one is a generational talent? What maps them out separately from others?

Consistency and decisiveness in important moments, I have told you this before. Havertz has the potential, we hope to groom this potential.

Stats can sometimes be deceitful, Roman wouldn't argue this after losing 100M on Lukaku. Funny that you mentioned midfielders and defenders; I remember Zouma having one of the best stats under Lampard but the only thing I saw in him was foolishness and when TT came, he proved my thought right by sending him to the bench.

A midfielder might always be used by a manager because of his ability to interpret space and follow tactics even though he doesn't make popizaino kind of passes. If you want to argue this, you might have to tell me Kovavic's stats that justifies his selection and how these stats compare to Pogba who plays similar position with him. After which you will tell me Pogba and Kovacic who is more effective for their respective club.

Griffon:


I had high hopes for Lukaku, but at this point, I believe this jibe is for him.

I don't think it is a jibe but fact.

I think Tuchel doesn't really need a proper stagnant 9.....

Runners and Maneuverers suits his style

swiz123:

Consistency and decisiveness in important moments, I have told you this before. Havertz has the potential, we hope to groom this potential.

Stats can sometimes be deceitful, Roman wouldn't argue this after losing 100M on Lukaku. Funny that you mentioned midfielders and defenders; I remember Zouma having one of the best stats under Lampard but the only thing I saw in him was foolishness and when TT came, he proved my thought right by sending him to the bench.

A midfielder might always be used by a manager because of his ability to interpret space and follow tactics even though he doesn't make popizaino kind of passes. If you want to argue this, you might have to tell me Kovavic's stats that justifies his selection and how these stats compare to Pogba who plays similar position with him. After which you will tell me Pogba and Kovacic who is more effective for their respective club.

What is havertz natural postion.

Start from there

Segedinho:

What is havertz natural postion.

Start from there

Havertz can play attacking midfielder with a number 9 who isn't as stagnant and dumb as Lukaku. Incase if you decide to tell me where he played under Lampard, just know that I will tell you the condition of that coach now.

swiz123:

Consistency and decisiveness in important moments, I have told you this before. Havertz has the potential, we hope to groom this potential.

Stats can sometimes be deceitful, Roman wouldn't argue this after losing 100M on Lukaku. Funny that you mentioned midfielders and defenders; I remember Zouma having one of the best stats under Lampard but the only thing I saw in him was foolishness and when TT came, he proved my thought right by sending him to the bench.

A midfielder might always be used by a manager because of his ability to interpret space and follow tactics even though he doesn't make[b] popizaino kind of passes[/b]. If you want to argue this, you might have to tell me Kovavic's stats that justifies his selection and how these stats compare to Pogba who plays similar position with him. After which you will tell me Pogba and Kovacic who is more effective for their respective club.

swiz123:


Havertz can play attacking midfielder with a number 9 who isn't as stagnant and dumb as Lukaku. Incase if you decide to tell me where he played under Lampard, just know that I will tell you the condition of that coach now.

I repeat what is havertz natural position.

If we remove your can ??...

I think he played with a versatile Abraham who have about 20goals presently .

He played with a wasteful Werner's but how many assist-like pass from him did Werner missed...

Tuchel on how Havertz has recovered form and why Lukaku is staying positive


After watching Kai Havertz net four goals in his last five appearances for the Blues, boss Thomas Tuchel has paid tribute to his compatriot’s ability to recover form after a difficult period.
Out of a dozen Chelsea fixtures between mid-December and the end of January, the 22-year-old started just twice and featured in only a further two due to injury and selection decisions.

However, he has since ‘turned things around for himself’ according to Tuchel, and played every minute of our past seven games barring the FA Cup win at Luton Town, when he was not in the squad.

That recent form, including a brace at Burnley last weekend, the crucial opener in our Champions League last-16 tie against Lille and the FIFA Club World Cup final winner, has helped establish the German as the focal point of our attack.

While Tuchel has claimed no player is undroppable ahead of our latest Premier League assignment away at Norwich City on Thursday evening, he does concede that Havertz is doing all that is asked of him to keep his place in the team right now.

‘He stepped up in his mentality and his game,’ said the boss. ‘He has a huge influence physically, from his quality in our game and that’s why he’s very important. He’s in a good shape and he turned things around again for himself.

‘He was very strong in the beginning of the season and then he had a little spell some weeks ago where we did not feel him so involved like we feel him now. He fought his way out so full credit to him. It’s absolutely the right mentality and he shows how important he can be.’

Tuchel refused to take the credit for the forward’s resurgence in recent weeks, instead paying tribute to Havertz for refocusing and taking on board fresh instructions, particularly around how to make the most of his impressive 6ft 3in frame.

‘The pride is on him because he stepped up,’ continued Tuchel. ‘The players take care of themselves when they are on the pitch and they need to in order to stay on the pitch. He absolutely did this.

‘He was a bit like down and he had struggles to fight for it and to know how to fight for it, but then he stepped up. We spoke but it’s more or less a daily thing and he changed again his attitude, used his physique, and day by day was more and more impressive. He’s been in a very good shape for a long time.

‘Nothing has changed in the relationship. We always trusted him, he’s still very young and now he shows his potential. In the moment, he plays because he deserves to play and because he gives so much to the team. He can play all three positions up front and also as a double striker but in the moment he digs in in this central position and he does well.’

Havertz’s strong form has left Romelu Lukaku among the substitutes in recent outings and Tuchel admitted that has left our Belgian frustrated, although no less committed or determined to win back his place as starting striker.

‘It’s not easy for him but he’s an important member of the team,’ added our head coach. ‘There are other players at certain times who are not happy because the biggest problem is that we can only start 11 players and a lot of players have a reason to think they can be regular starters for us.

‘There’s always a chance because Kai can also play more positions - he can play as a double striker, like we played in the second half against Burnley and against Luton in the second half, so there’s always a chance.

‘Romelu fights for it like everybody else and this is what we need. He is as positive as he can be. Of course he doesn’t like the situation but he handles it very professionally and I also try to do my best to be respectful and supportive like for everybody else.’

Havertz10:

Tuchel on how Havertz has recovered form and why Lukaku is staying positive


After watching Kai Havertz net four goals in his last five appearances for the Blues, boss Thomas Tuchel has paid tribute to his compatriot’s ability to recover form after a difficult period.
Out of a dozen Chelsea fixtures between mid-December and the end of January, the 22-year-old started just twice and featured in only a further two due to injury and selection decisions.

However, he has since ‘turned things around for himself’ according to Tuchel, and played every minute of our past seven games barring the FA Cup win at Luton Town, when he was not in the squad.

That recent form, including a brace at Burnley last weekend, the crucial opener in our Champions League last-16 tie against Lille and the FIFA Club World Cup final winner, has helped establish the German as the focal point of our attack.

While Tuchel has claimed no player is undroppable ahead of our latest Premier League assignment away at Norwich City on Thursday evening, he does concede that Havertz is doing all that is asked of him to keep his place in the team right now.

‘He stepped up in his mentality and his game,’ said the boss. ‘He has a huge influence physically, from his quality in our game and that’s why he’s very important. He’s in a good shape and he turned things around again for himself.

‘He was very strong in the beginning of the season and then he had a little spell some weeks ago where we did not feel him so involved like we feel him now. He fought his way out so full credit to him. It’s absolutely the right mentality and he shows how important he can be.’

Tuchel refused to take the credit for the forward’s resurgence in recent weeks, instead paying tribute to Havertz for refocusing and taking on board fresh instructions, particularly around how to make the most of his impressive 6ft 3in frame.

‘The pride is on him because he stepped up,’ continued Tuchel. ‘The players take care of themselves when they are on the pitch and they need to in order to stay on the pitch. He absolutely did this.

‘He was a bit like down and he had struggles to fight for it and to know how to fight for it, but then he stepped up. We spoke but it’s more or less a daily thing and he changed again his attitude, used his physique, and day by day was more and more impressive. He’s been in a very good shape for a long time.

‘Nothing has changed in the relationship. We always trusted him, he’s still very young and now he shows his potential. In the moment, he plays because he deserves to play and because he gives so much to the team. He can play all three positions up front and also as a double striker but in the moment he digs in in this central position and he does well.’

Havertz’s strong form has left Romelu Lukaku among the substitutes in recent outings and Tuchel admitted that has left our Belgian frustrated, although no less committed or determined to win back his place as starting striker.

‘It’s not easy for him but he’s an important member of the team,’ added our head coach. ‘There are other players at certain times who are not happy because the biggest problem is that we can only start 11 players and a lot of players have a reason to think they can be regular starters for us.

‘There’s always a chance because Kai can also play more positions - he can play as a double striker, like we played in the second half against Burnley and against Luton in the second half, so there’s always a chance.

‘Romelu fights for it like everybody else and this is what we need. He is as positive as he can be. Of course he doesn’t like the situation but he handles it very professionally and I also try to do my best to be respectful and supportive like for everybody else.’

Same tuchel

Segedinho:

Same tuchel

This one is not reliable.

Segedinho:

Same tuchel

Tuchel was forced to praise Mason Mount.
The press put knife to his throat to praise their fellow English compatriot, that one is not reliable, trust only Tuchel’s praise of Havertz and dismiss his praise of Mount, that's the right thing to do.

I think we are rushing this guy

Emmynator:


Tuchel was forced to praise Mason Mount.
The press put knife to his throat to praise their fellow English compatriot, that one is not reliable, trust only Tuchel’s praise of Havertz and dismiss his praise of Mount, that's the right thing to do.

I think say na only drama them dey see extreme bad belle o.


Man

Segedinho:


I repeat what is havertz natural position.

If we remove your can ??...

I think he played with a versatile Abraham who have about 20goals presently .

He played with a wasteful Werner's but how many assist-like pass from him did Werner missed...

Abraham is versatile? E don enter play