All these needles arguments

Hojbjerg's pass was brilliant

Jorginho's pass was equally brilliant.

You can prefer one, but take nothing away from the other.

nateevs:


For me, it's the price tag. Yes he can play elite football, and yes he's probably suffering from slumped confidence, but it's what happens when he's not scoring that matters to me.

For £100m, you buy elite-level dynamism, which sets the player apart the moment he's on the ball.

Elite-level dynamism is what you see in their tactical play, technical awareness, and as I always say, their technical ability on the ball. It's what makes them go to the right channel, left channel, midfield, and destroy opponents, bring their team mates into play and improve overall technical structure of the team, even when they are struggling in front of goal.

This elite-level dynamism, Lukaku lacks. So when he's not scoring, it is not good to watch.

Confidence is not just what you do in front of goal.

See the bolded you described? That's what he did in Inter. He didn't play as target man but went left, right, destroying defenders, creating assists. He literally won POTY because he created 11 assists last season. The below is a video of his assists and an article hailing him of the bolded

https://thefootballfaithful.com/romelu-lukakus-inter-milan-serie-a-assists-2020-21/

Exonerate1:


Lukaku was a board signing with time you guys will realize this. Transition merchant

We saw enough interviews and statements in the summer to know who chose what. Tuchel rubber-stamped Lukaku, all this talk is after the fact

Ibime:


This is quite a foolish argument, as if Havertz wasn't making a run or as if any midfielder needs to see a run to know where to drop a through ball.

Havertz had started making his run ogbeni, and if Kane run was a trigger faster, that's because he knows what Hojberg will do having received numerous of those passes

The difference between those passes is that Jorg enabled havertz to get in behind the defence while Kane was already getting in behind the defence which hojberg saw to make that pass. I believe you know there's a big difference there

I mean all these happens in football. There are some passes some midfielders will give you as a striker to make a run, while some will be for you to hold the ball or play with your men, all you just need is anticipation.
There some runs you'll make also as a striker that will trigger a pass from your midfielders.

All these are basic elements of football na..

BlueMann:
All these needless arguments

Hojbjerg's pass was brilliant

Jorginho's pass was equally brilliant.

You can prefer one, but take nothing away from the other.

I agree with this. I'm not even arguing if hojberg pass isn't brilliant cos I know it is.

The issue here is when they said Jorg pass is just "a long ball into the space cos it's easy".
E dey somehow to read na

Jodera:
The difference between those passes is that Jorg enabled havertz to get in behind the defence while Kane was already getting in behind the defence which hojberg saw to make that pass. I believe you know there's a big difference there

There is no difference and it's actually quite a stupid line of reasoning. The only thing that matters is the space in which to drop the ball. A midfielder does not need a strikers run to know where to drop that ball, unless you are suggesting he is a single IQ midfielder, furthermore Havertz HAD started his run so you are just blowing hot air.

Skimpledawg:
Woke up to shouts of Happy birthday!

Man's not getting any younger no more

Happy birthday prophet

Llnp

timbros:
Ibime you are making it look like Hojberg has too much limited space to throw in that pass.

In image 1, did you consider the space AFTER the frame? Look at where Kane finally connected with the ball in image 2.

And contrary to what you want us to believe, the farther the pass, the harder the accuracy. You can't tell me that an over the top long pass from the halfway line is easier than a chip in front of penalty box.

From where the defenders head is inches away from that ball, you can see he has very limited space to drop that without the defender reaching it.

The nearer the pass the more difficult it is to get it over a defence and down for the striker. The range Jorginho passed from is the most common range for that type of pass. The range Hojberg did it from is highly uncommon. You don't easily get enough velocity and lift to clear the defenders head at that range and enough space/time for gravity to bring it down for the striker without putting some backspin on that ball. Same reason we say some freekicks are too close to clear the wall and still bring it under the bar.

Ibime:


There is no difference and it's actually quite a stupid line of reasoning. The only thing that matters is the space in which to drop the ball. A midfielder does not need a strikers run to know where to drop that ball, unless you are suggesting he is a single IQ midfielder, furthermore Havertz HAD started his run so you are just blowing hot air.

This is hilarious to say the least.
And yet we wonder why some people make some comments about some strikers lacking movement then they castigate them.


I wonder when dropping ball too into space is not as important as a player receiving that ball in space. What is the use of having space If an attacker can't exploit the space??

Jodera:
This is hilarious to say the least.
And yet we wonder why some people make some comments about some strikers lacking movement then they castigate them.


I wonder when dropping ball too into space is not as important as a player receiving that ball in space. What is the use of having space If an attacker can't exploit the space??

Does anyone need a strikers run or pointing to know that the highlighted is the space to drop this ball? I mean this line of argument is very silly

Jodera:
Happy birthday apostle. Long life and prosperity oo

My birthday wish be say make you put arsenal for your prayer make we make top4 and make man u no go carry UCL this season. E no plenty pass laidat

Scummies win UCL?

Has to be a joke an expensive one. I don't need to bother Jah about that. I wi see to it that Ororo stomach upsets him before the match against Athletico. No worry

Thanks for the wishes!

nihilistjnr:


Happy birthday prophet

Llnp

Thank you Chief.

Skimpledawg:
Woke up to shouts of Happy birthday!

Man's not getting any younger no more

Happy Birthday Apostle

Ibime you've finished me

Ibime:


From where the defenders head is inches away from that ball, you can see he has very limited space to drop that without the defender reaching it.

The nearer the pass the more difficult it is to get it over a defence and down for the striker. The range Jorginho passed from is the most common range for that type of pass. The range Hojberg did it from is highly uncommon. You don't easily get enough velocity and lift to clear the defenders head at that range and enough space/time for gravity to bring it down for the striker without putting some backspin on that ball. Same reason we say some freekicks are too close to clear the wall and still bring it under the bar.

Count the lines from penalty box to Hojberg's position and do the same for Jorginho let's see how much difference their distance is sef.

At bolded.... Free kick is an entirely different scenario. Hojberg played that chip AWAY from the post while a free kick is aimed TOWARDS the post.

Consider how Kane stretched to make contact with Hojberg's pass and how easily Havertz controlled Jorginho's pass. That's where you will know whose pass is more accurate.

If Jorginho were to be in this frame, the red mark is where his pass started from. How far away is he from Hojberg?

Why make it look like Hojberg is too close to curve a chipped pass while Jorginho threw his pass from his own half?

The only argument you have here Ibime is, Hojberg is under pressure while Jorginho was very free to pick his pass. Nothing else.

O boy! Rugged o.

See as dem bring F Cos and F Sin Theta into football.

Skimpledawg:

Scummies win UCL?

Has to be a joke an expensive one. I don't need to bother Jah about that. I wi see to it that Ororo stomach upsets him before the match against Athletico. No worry

Thanks for the wishes!

Birthday blessings chief.

timbros:
If Jorginho were to be in this frame, the red mark is where his pass started from. How far away is he from Hojberg?

Why make it look like Hojberg is too close to curve a chipped pass while Jorginho threw his pass from his own half?

The only argument you have here Ibime is, Hojberg is under pressure while Jorginho was very free to pick his pass. Nothing else.

I believe our brother Unlimited22 is into opthalmology and can help you see that Jorginho is almost in line with the centre-circle.

That place you highlighted is still maybe 8 yards from Jorginho and Hogberg is another 5 yards further

Appreciate!

timbros:


Count the lines from penalty box to Hojberg's position and do the same for Jorginho let's see how much difference their distance is sef.

Don't let lawnmower line fool you. Lawnmower have different sizes. The centre-circle and 18 yard box should be your only reference point

swiz123:


It's not actually. If you play football, you will know that it is very easy to lift the ball above a defender when you don't have a GK to worry about. I hope you know that Horjtout over hit that pass? If Kane was running straight at the GK and Horjtout played that rubbish, the GK would be looking out for a well positioned attacker to take advantage of an impending counter.

Jorginho's own on the other hand is very difficult to execute because you need to get the weight accurately if you don't want the defender or the GK to get to it.

Swiz this is not about agenda,I have always seen you as one of the most objective posters on this thread, pls don't give me a reason to think otherwise pls.

timbros:


Count the lines from penalty box to Hojberg's position and do the same for Jorginho let's see how much difference their distance is sef.

At bolded.... Free kick is an entirely different scenario. Hojberg played that chip AWAY from the post while a free kick is aimed TOWARDS the post.

Consider how Kane stretched to make contact with Hojberg's pass and how easily Havertz controlled Jorginho's pass. That's where you will know whose pass is more accurate.

This was because Havertz' marker was sleeping on duty and stumbled while Kane's marker was awake to the danger and stayed on him like glue. You guys are talking like these passes were made on empty pitches in training. The response of the defence in each case should also be recognized.

When you factor in the response of the defender in each scenario and the fact that Jorginho had a bigger window to drop the ball in i think Hojberg's pass was more difficult but that is not to take anything away from Jorginho's pass which was very good as well.

afrodoc2:
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This was because Havertz' marker was sleeping on duty and stumbled while Kane's marker was awake to the danger and stayed on him like glue. You guys are talking like these passes were made on empty pitches in training. The response of the defence in each case should also be recognized.

When you factor in the response of the defender in each scenario and the fact that Jorginho had a bigger window to drop the ball in i think Hojberg's pass was more difficult but that is not to take anything away from Jorginho's pass which was very good as well.

Valid point.

But what I'm trying to say is that Hojberg's pass was too deep that Kane had to stretch to connect it. The mere fact that Kane had to stretch shows that the pass is not that accurate (remember Kane is already on the move when the pass is made. If he was static, he wouldn't have connected that pass). Now contrast it with Jorginho's pass that even triggered Havertz reaction and it ended up in his feet. Which of them is more accurate?

Note: I am not in any way watering down the quality of Hojberg's pass. What I am against is tagging Jorginho's pass as 'ordinary', that any Tom and Harry can throw such pass anyhow. That's wrong.

The day Hojberg made that pass, Jorginho was called out in this thread, that he can never give such a pass. He has done it yesterday and people are trying to water it down. All because of agenda.

Ibime:


Don't let lawnmower line fool you. Lawnmower have different sizes. The centre-circle and 18 yard box should be your only reference point

The difference in sizes is negligeble on the context of discussion here. It's not like the difference is in feet or meters.

Both of them played their passes in the same area of the pitch.

timbros:


Valid point.

But what I'm trying to say is that Hojberg's pass was too deep that Kane had to stretch to connect it. The mere fact that Kane had to stretch shows that the pass is not that accurate (remember Kane is already on the move when the pass is made. If he was static, he wouldn't have connected that pass).

It was not too deep. It was perfect. Any "shallower" and the defender will head this ball

timbros:


The difference in sizes is negligeble on the context of discussion here. It's not like the difference is in feet or meters.

Both of them played their passes in the same area of the pitch.

The difference is not negligible. The difference can be measured by 5 to 8 metres at the very minimum which makes a huge difference in getting the ball to drop in time. When taking freekicks, players will try to move the ball back just a matter of inches so they can get it to drop under the bar in time, you say 5 to 8 metres is negligible

Ibime:


I believe our brother Unlimited22 is into opthalmology and can help you see that Jorginho is almost in line with the centre-circle.

That place you highlighted is still maybe 8 yards from Jorginho and Hogberg is another 5 yards further

If this frame is a bit bigger, the center circle will show.

That's exactly the position I marked where Jorginho will be if he is in this picture.

Ibime:


We saw enough interviews and statements in the summer to know who chose what. Tuchel rubber-stamped Lukaku, all this talk is after the fact

We were after kane and Halaand in the summer only to end up with Lukaku.

timbros:


You don't have issues with Jorginho half the way Donstan have with Havertz, but he praised Havertz today. He appreciated him today.

The least you could have done is appreciate that pass. It won't make you less human. Read what you typed again and tell me if it's not shameless....

If Rodri or Fabinho had made this exact same pass from this exact spot in the pitch, I can bet my life saving that you will come here to type how Jorginho can never play such a pass in his career.

Stop the hate. Give accolades when due. You won't die.

No one is hating and I know when to give my player accolades when it is due, this obviously doesnt come as one of them because it should naturally be his default passing skill set and not something special.You are all saying this because the coward has made you so used to back passing and short passes that something as basic as that one is seen as something special about. I refused to join the bandwagon. And yes, I would have come here to tell you this is what jorginho should be doing if it was rodri and fabinho that did them, it is not hating on Jorginho but pointing out what he should be doing more often.

timbros:


If this frame is a bit bigger, the center circle will show.

That's exactly the position I marked where Jorginho will be if he is in this picture.

False, I have expanded the frame for you. That bro is nowhere near the centre circle like Jorginho

Ibime:


The difference is not negligible. The difference can be measured by 5 to 8 metres at the very minimum which makes a huge difference in getting the ball to drop in time. When taking freekicks, players will try to move the ball back just a matter of inches so they can get it to drop under the bar in time, you say 5 to 8 metres is negligible

The difference I'm referring to is the different mower line sizes. It's negligible.

Jorginho and Hojberg is in the same area of the pitch. And the passes are similar: over the top through pass. The only difference is that Jorginho is more accurate, maybe because he was free to pick his spot.