foolbuster:
You mean to tell me that for instance a woman's husband was rescued from drowning the man is still unconscious but she refuses and actively fights anyone that tries to administer mouth to mouth to her husband to save his life including signing documents that indicts her if something terrible should happen, just because mouth to mouth is against her faith. She then proceeded to just watching the man die while uttering just words. She is absolved of all blame because she is the wife right?
You are talking trash, you must either be a kid or very foolish.

We are not talking here of the woman's faith but the man's faith. He was himself a JW so his faith, his will.

Kobojunkiee:
You think the wife didn't know the in-laws would have definitely given an OK to the transfusion?

... Kobo you must not win every argument. Try listen and learn small Kwanu. Biko nne.

Kobojunkiee:
The woman was married to the man at the time of his death, so there is technically nothing wrong with what she did.

Being in charge of the bills does not give one legal guardianship so the in-laws are wrong in assuming they should have been consulted on the matter. So the in-laws should probably work on accepting their loss and moving on from this.

She is married to the man before his death and did nothing wrong abi? My question is ,knowing that she is married to the man ,why was the family of the man footing the hospital bills and not her.? And I guess to her that was normal thing.

Pecoleee345:
Should A Wife Be Allowed To Take A Big Decision Without Informing Her In-law?

Good afternoon everybody.i will make this short as possible.

A friend of mine just died in luth (cause of that was anemia). He was operated upon and they told his wife to get blood (2 r.o) for transfusion after the procedure but due to being a jehova witness she decided not to get the blood (jehova witness don't take blood,is against there faith).

She had a back and forth about the blood with the doctors and was asked to sign incase anything happen which she sign without the husband family knowledge....it was only her and her fellow jehova witness that took the decision.

He passed away this midnight, she called her in-law to inform them and I also got the information from the deceased younger brother.

On getting here the family found out the surgery was successful but he died of anemia, the doctors told them it was the wife decision not to get him blood against there prescriptions and infact she signed taking responsibility if anything happens.

A serious fight is happening here, the family are claiming she killed there son which I totally agree to as well.

So this my question, should a wife be allowed to take such a big decision without informing the husband family first.

Note; it was her in-laws that were paying the hospital bills.

Unfortunately, she has the legal right to deny her husband blood. The family should let it be. Their brother knew what he was signing up for when he joined the church.

Kobojunkiee:
Even in Africa, not everyone subscribes to your traditional norms..

You can say this because you are not related to the woman. She is the only one who can tell what she is passing through and what she will pass through.

Naijboy:
If it is in USA this woman would have gone to jail. She won't even try it. Doctors would not have obeyed her.

my point exactly. He can reject for himself, and they will comply. She can reject for herself, and they will comply, but she can't reject for him, and he can't reject for her. They can both reject for a child tho. That is what I have been trying to explain here. Ppl can't seem to accept that possibility that the husband may not have been on board. There are decision you take in the heat of the situation., that may not align with what others will expect of you. That he was a jw doesn't automatically mean he was on board. Ppl leave or are made to leave jw all the time

house10s2:
u ended up saying nothing

Yea it's clear. Don't waste your time!

Ilaje1:


A doctor is meant to save life. Some doctors would have gone ahead, you can sue them later. There's a case like that in USA. The doctor's argument is that it's against her ethics not to save a life.

You don't carry out any procedure on a patient without consent. That patient wasn't taken to the hospital unconscious. He was alive & consented to the surgery. He may have been offered transfusion to which he decline. His family has no case here. The wife is innocent too

Iglesia02:
She is married to the man before his death and did nothing wrong abi? My question is ,knowing that she is married to the man ,why was the family of the man footing the hospital bills and not her.? And I guess to her that was normal thing.

I think you are getting it wrong here. It was not even the wife's decision. It was the man's decision. He chose to join a church that is against blood transfusion. The wife was only seeing that his wishes are respected.
He the man was open to having a blood transfusion, he would not have been a Jehovah's witness.

aribisala0:
Which Europe Ukraine or Russia? Murder? And what about the doctors were they obliged to obey her? In the UK there is a Court of Protection that deals with such matters and doctors can approach the Court for such decisions. It sits everyday if required.
People can talk rubbish sha

In Europe/western world she is going jail for making decision that killed her husband when he could easily have survived..
However the doctors won't even ask her permission to give blood transfusions after surgery.

No talk about places you know nothing of..

Kobojunkiee:
Not according to the Law.

Which law?

Quote the law.

aribisala0:
Is there such legislation in Nigeria and does it cover health decisions ?

You did not answer the question

If you are so convinced it doesn't exist, ask any lawyer's in Nigeria,that you know. .......

KNOWLEDGE IS POWERFUL..........

LCling:



Stop antagonising the woman lolz the man would do same if reversed. This people have a a full consent card to that decision. Anybody around them at that period is just there to protect that Decision . Please see below the source https://www.ajwrb.org/watchtower-no-blood-card. Soo if you still blame that woman you are more wicked.

Actually I do not have an opinion on what the woman did and do not believe I expressed one. So where does "antagonizing" come into it? Are you OK?
"If I blame the woman I am wicked" How did I blame anybody? Do you have headache?

Freddonance:


Chief, the doctor is not to blame. The husband was not brought into the hospital unconscious. He may have been attending clinics. Transfusion may have been discussed with him during clinic visits which he probably may have declined because of his belief.
Consent was taken before the procedure. Procedure was successful. He probably had post operative haemorrhage(most likely reactive) & if that is true, he will still be offered transfusion but in this case, if he is not conscious enough to give consent, his wife will.
Also, I don't believe the man was unconscious. An unconscious post up patient won't be taken to the ward. He probably will be in the recovery room.
The wife is not responsible for the dead either. The husband is responsible for his own dead.

This he said!

She had a back and forth about the blood with the doctors and was asked to sign incase anything happen which she sign without the husband family knowledge....it was only her and her fellow jehova witness that took the decision.

In the story, there was no where the OP who was a WITNESS to the happenings stated that the consent of the Husband was sought for blood transfusion before the surgery so, i wonder were you got your own version of the story from.

They're that stubborn. Even if the man we're in good shape, he'd rather take a chance dying than doing a blood transfusion.
I don't know why they're trying to blame his wife. How convenient.. didn't they know their brother was a member of the watchtower group and would've eventually made this kinda choices?

Datikwerreboi:

Same law u don't even know what it says in this regards

You should probably read up on the Marriage act and rules that govern guardianship pr Next-of-kin in Nigeria to gain better understanding of this for yourself.

Jefferyhi86:
Na so I nearly lost my sister who got married to a jw cos of love, if not for my rugged mother who intervene, she told dem clearly is either her daughter comes back to her father's house or leave the marriage

Are they still married? Your sister and her husband?

Donphilex:
Op if the husband was as jw then the wife did nothing wrong as there’s a no blood card signed by the husband and wife and also for their children in case of emergencies and the patients is unconscious they follow the no blood card definitely even before this sickness or surgery the husband wife and kids must have signed this card and yes as the next of kin the wife has every right to decide the best medical care for her husband respecting and upholding his believes .

if indeed she can produce this, then that can def be consent, I totally agree

Treadway:
my point exactly. He can reject for himself, and they will comply. She can reject for herself, and they will comply, but she can't reject for him, and he can't reject for her. They can both reject for a child tho. That is what I have been trying to explain here. Ppl can't seem to accept that possibility that the husband may not have been on board. There are decision you take in the heat of the situation., that may not align with what others will expect of you. That he was a jw doesn't automatically mean he was on board. Ppl leave or are made to leave jw all the time

Don't get it wrong. Was the husband brought to the hospital unconscious? If not, he may have declined transfusion even before the procedure.

LyfeJennings:


Your head is peppering U
Ori n ta e
God forbid but no one should try this nonsense with any members of my family
I go tear that person apart
even the pastor self go hear am

Madam you no do shiii. looolz face reality
Blame what and who should. I believe na that man decision.

This people have a a full consent card to that decision. Anybody around them at that period is just there to protect that Decision . Please see below the source https://www.ajwrb.org/watchtower-no-blood-card. Soo if you still blame that woman you are more wicked. If you have some in JW abeg sit up. Shey right to believe still dey? Kano ban green bottle , carry gun dey gag defaulters you . Hahahahahaha mouthed people . See legal Kano own you hide teeth na this one weak woman you get strength go gag.

What a profoundly dumb thing to say

endsarrrs:
For the sake of peace. Science is god. God is supreme

...

All this back and forth argument books down to one thing. If the man signed his card which is likely. I was a witness and we had this card in our pockets for situations like this. It stated that we were not to be transfused and listed someone who can make tough decisions on our behalf if we were unconscious. I left years ago. Some things didn't sit well with me. I hope for her Sake her husband wasn't one of those forgetful ones who misplace their cards or don't renew it on time. At any rate, there are Jehovah's witness lawyers who are experts in cases like this. There have been cars like this in several countries where the spouse or parent will be let go at the end. I feel sorry for her for losing her husband and being in this mess. I feel sorry for the family too who just lost their son. Everyone is hurting and lashing out.

NoToPile:


Since the guy is a Jehovah witness then he most likely had such beliefs and I belive the wife was upholding his beleiefs.

Technically she didn't do anything wrong IMO, it was also what the husband believed, but as we are Nigerians she should have told them but the husband will most likely not be okay with the Inlaws giving consent for blood transfusion.

As the title of your topic husband's /wives do take medical decisions for each other.

Haa lalasticlala has changed the title to another heading entirely, it's going to be an interesting ride.

Pecoleee345:
Should A Wife Be Allowed To Take A Big Decision Without Informing Her In-law?

Good afternoon everybody.i will make this short as possible.

A friend of mine just died in luth (cause of that was anemia). He was operated upon and they told his wife to get blood (2 r.o) for transfusion after the procedure but due to being a jehova witness she decided not to get the blood (jehova witness don't take blood,is against there faith).

She had a back and forth about the blood with the doctors and was asked to sign incase anything happen which she sign without the husband family knowledge....it was only her and her fellow jehova witness that took the decision.

He passed away this midnight, she called her in-law to inform them and I also got the information from the deceased younger brother.

On getting here the family found out the surgery was successful but he died of anemia, the doctors told them it was the wife decision not to get him blood against there prescriptions and infact she signed taking responsibility if anything happens.

A serious fight is happening here, the family are claiming she killed there son which I totally agree to as well.

So this my question, should a wife be allowed to take such a big decision without informing the husband family first.

Note; it was her in-laws that were paying the hospital bills.

hmmmmm May God help us ooooo



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Britishpea:


What are you talking about There is no law that places spouse over family in case of healthcare decisions, on their spouses. Some medical facilities can only decide to lift the spouse a step ahead of the family in hierarchy but no law stipulates that. Family only respects the tradition of marriages in terms of such decisions. Yes a wife or husband can take whatever decision by him/herself and no one can castigate her or him for doing same way no law can castigate family’ if they do same.

The wife has final say (except it can be proved she has malicious intents) you can look it up...Saw it in a series "Good Doctor"

However, i subscribe to the notion the family should have been consulted_ even if she'll be heady and still go with their faith...
She was really careless

But the inlaws already knew their son is a jehovah witness na.

They cannot feign ignorance of their beliefs

Lexusgs430:


If you are so convinced it doesn't exist, ask any lawyer's in Nigeria,that you know. .......

KNOWLEDGE IS POWERFUL..........

No I am not convinced . I want to learn . What I abhor is people declaring things with no knowledge.

Simple question is there such a law in Nigeria ? Yes or No. If Yes tell us. I wan to read the law myself that is why I asked? So if you don't know say so . I don't either but do not pretend to know what you don't know

aribisala0:
I am hoping you can brush me up that was why I asked you. We have 3 different Marriage laws in Nigeria. You mentioned guardianship as well is there a statute on that with regard to advanced decisions?
It seems to me though that this is not about Marriage law per se but about mental Incapacity and advanced decisions as well as Medical Law.
I doubt that there is any legislation on this in Nigeria but if you believe there is please enlighten me

Well, I put them all under the same flag. Unde marriage, a man becomes his wife's guardian and vice versa. In this case, the doctors understood this and had his wife sign the documents as his legal guardian.

Hmmm..... For,any surgical procedure I'm to perform, if it's intensive, there most be GXM of mobile donor,prior to the procedure. In fact, you most accept that before signing the consent form or else, get someone that can risk your life for you. As you can see, I'm not reckless with my life.

Kobojunkiee:
We are not talking here of the woman's faith but the man's faith. He was himself a JW so his faith, his will.

This was your statement The woman was married to the man at the time of his death, so there is technically nothing wrong with what she did.
You said she did nothing wrong. The man was semi-unconscious how can someone that is semi-unconscious make sound decisions

thesicilian:

What law? Quote the law you're talking about.

You know why the law is blind? Because it doesn't see things from th3 emotional perspective. In law, the wife makes the final decision whether the husband is Buhari's son. That said, I don't support this JW nonsense.

Pecoleee345:
Should A Wife Be Allowed To Take A Big Decision Without Informing Her In-law?

Good afternoon everybody.i will make this short as possible.

A friend of mine just died in luth (cause of that was anemia). He was operated upon and they told his wife to get blood (2 r.o) for transfusion after the procedure but due to being a jehova witness she decided not to get the blood (jehova witness don't take blood,is against there faith).

She had a back and forth about the blood with the doctors and was asked to sign incase anything happen which she sign without the husband family knowledge....it was only her and her fellow jehova witness that took the decision.

He passed away this midnight, she called her in-law to inform them and I also got the information from the deceased younger brother.

On getting here the family found out the surgery was successful but he died of anemia, the doctors told them it was the wife decision not to get him blood against there prescriptions and infact she signed taking responsibility if anything happens.

A serious fight is happening here, the family are claiming she killed there son which I totally agree to as well.

So this my question, should a wife be allowed to take such a big decision without informing the husband family first.

Note; it was her in-laws that were paying the hospital bills.

This is why JWs are extremists. They take their beliefs to the extreme, they do not need to kill with guns, but with pen and instructions, they do.