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Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by AntiChristian: 5:13pm On Mar 13, 2022 |
cornelboy: Can you give any authentic evidence that Muhammad saw the ladies face and was attracted to her? I will like to have the reference for the wordings as you used it here. Jehovah witness can tell big lies like this! |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by cornelboy(f): 6:59pm On Mar 13, 2022 |
Before i answer you, which of Islam do you practise? Sunni, Shia, ahmadiyya, bahau'llah? AntiChristian: |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by TruthinAction: 9:47pm On Mar 13, 2022 |
BornofGod108: Indecent dressing is not limited to trousers. What about women who put on mini skirts, see through skirts and open breast blouses? So, the issue is not trousers but about decency. Women can put on trousers and still be decent. And I have seen so many women decently dressed in trousers. So, you don't have the right to condemn women putting on trousers. The Bible never condemned it either. Even under the Law of Moses, when women were told not to put on men's wear, there were no trousers those days. Men wore skirts. Besides, the present day church is not under the Law of Moses. |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by Kobojunkie: 12:16am On Mar 14, 2022 |
TruthinAction:Nor did God send or authorize anyone to go around policing women or anyone else for that matter.. 1 Like |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by AntiChristian: 8:26am On Mar 14, 2022 |
cornelboy: The Islam of following the Qur'an and Sunnah of the Prophet according to the best generations of Islam. |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by AntiChristian: 8:56am On Mar 14, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Your own belief but definitely not what is in tandem with that story of David and Bathsheba. We are not created equally. Some have more sexual urges than others. 2. Well, the story does not state that that particular occasion was her first time bathing at that spot neither does not tell us that Bathsheba was the only woman who bathed at that spot even on that particular moment David spotted her. I know the story didn't state such. The inference that can still be drawn accurately from the story is that David became interested in her when he saw her nude. He many never know her if she was not seen there nude. |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by Kobojunkie: 9:54am On Mar 14, 2022 |
AntiChristian:1. Interesting claim! What part of my belief is not in tandem with the story told of David and Bathsheba and show proof of your claim. Are you here attempting to claim that all unbelievers and believers who consume porn or pornographic content, even regularly, are hooked by it? A simple Yes or No will suffice! 2. Inference that can be drawn from the story? You seem desperate to ensure this narrative goes exactly as you claim. |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by BornofGod108(m): 3:48pm On Mar 14, 2022 |
TruthinAction: female trouser is an indecent dress! |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:59pm On Mar 14, 2022 |
BornofGod108: Says you! 1 Like |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by cornelboy(f): 8:47pm On Mar 14, 2022 |
AntiChristian: The traditions state: Muhammad Ibn Yahya Ibn Hayyan narrated, "The Messenger of God came to Zaid Ibn Haritha's house seeking him. Perhaps the Messenger of God missed him at that time, that is why he said, 'Where is Zaid?' He went to his house seeking him and, when he did not find him, Zainab Bint Jahsh stood up to [meet] him in a house dress, but the Messenger of God turned away from her. She said, 'He is not here, Messenger of God, so please come in; my father and mother are your ransom.' The Messenger of God refused to come in. Zainab had hurried to dress herself when she heard that the Messenger of God was at her door, so she leapt in a hurry, and the Messenger of God liked her when she did that. He went away muttering something that was hardly understandable but for this sentence: 'Praise be to God who disposes the hearts.' When Zaid came back home, she told him that the Messenger of God came. Zaid asked, 'You asked him to come in, didn't you?' She replied, 'I bade him to, but he refused.' He said, 'Have you heard [him say] anything?' She answered, 'When he had turned away, I heard him say something that I could hardly understand. I heard him say, "Praise be to God who disposes the hearts." ' Zaid went out to the Messenger of God and said, 'O Messenger of God, I learned that you came to my house. Did you come in? O Messenger of God, my father and mother are your ransom. Perhaps you liked Zainab. I can leave her.' The Messenger of God said, 'Hold on to your wife.' Zaid said, 'O Messenger of God, I will leave her.' The Messenger of God said, 'Keep your wife.' So when Zaid left her, she finished her legal period after she had isolated herself from Zaid. While the Messenger of God was sitting and talking with `A´isha, he was taken in a trance, and when it lifted, he smiled and said, 'Who will go to Zainab to tell her that God wedded her to me from heaven?' The Messenger of God recited, 'Thus you told someone whom God had favoured and whom you yourself have favoured: "Hold on to your wife." '`A´isha said, 'I heard much about her beauty and, moreover, about how God wedded her from heaven, and I said, "For sure she will boast over this with us." ' Salama, the slave of the Messenger of God, hurried to tell her about that. She gave her some silver jewelry that she was wearing." (Ibn Sa`d, al-Tabaqat al-Kubra 9 vols. [Beirut: Dar Sader, n.d. `Iyad, al-Qadi. al-Shifa fi sifat al-Mustafa. Beirut, 1980], vol. 8, pp. 101-102; Muhammad Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, Jami`al-bayan `an ta´wil al-Qur´an [Annals of al-Tabari], Edited by Mahmud Muhammad Shakir. 30 vols [Cairo, 1968], vol. 2, p. 452ff.) And: "He had occasion to visit the house of Zaid, and upon seeing Zainab's unveiled face, had exclaimed, as a Moslem would say at the present day when admiring a beautiful picture or statue, Praise be to God, the ruler of hearts! The words, uttered in natural admiration, were often repeated by Zainab to her husband to show how even the Prophet praised her beauty, and naturally added to his displeasure." (Syed Ameer Ali, The Spirit of Islam [Chatto and Windus. London, England. 1974 (1890)], p. 235; |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by cornelboy(f): 10:40pm On Mar 14, 2022 |
AntiChristian: Who's the liar AntiChristian: I asked you "what is the general word for God in Arabic" Your response: Rabb! After glancing through few sites, I found out that "rabb" is thew Arabic word for lord or master What were you trying to do? You think I'm one of the gullible you can deceive? I also confirmed that allah is the primary word for god and it was used by Jews and Christians before Mohammed. And the fact that Mohammed's dad's name was Abdullah which means servant of allah, it proves that allah is not specific to the Muslims God. Apparently, Allah is not the proper name for God of the Muslims, your God doesn't have a name. Unlike the God of the Hebrews that declared His name to Moses and the children of Israel, JEHOVAH So Muslims can lie like this just like their prophet Muhammad Conclusion: Allah is a primary word for God. Small gods can be referred to as allah and the God of the Bible can also be referred to as Allah in Arabic language
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Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by TruthinAction: 11:12pm On Mar 14, 2022 |
BornofGod108: That is your opinion. I don't agree with you. Joyce Mayer who is a female minister with very large congregation of about 20,000 members is mostly on trousers and she is decently dressed. Don't condemn those who Christ have accepted. |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by AntiChristian: 9:11am On Mar 15, 2022 |
cornelboy:of cos you. That was a mistake which I have already modified. Rabb is Lord and ILLAHI is God/god/Deity. The Shahaada is Laa Ilaaha illa Allah which means there is no deity/god worth of worship except Allah. Why would i intentionally deceive you on something that is online everywhere?
This is another blunder from you. Allah has many names of which are Allah, Ar-Rahman, Ar-Rahim, Al-Malk, Al-Quddus, As-Salam, and many more. All these are online just type names of Allah on google. Unlike the God of the Hebrews that declared His name to Moses and the children of Israel, JEHOVAH Jehovah is not even His name. It was translated as that some centuries ago! So Muslims can lie like this just like their prophet MuhammadI think you are more of a liar than me! Conclusion: Read the below and see where all you typed are lies! Allah calls Himself Allah many times! In Qur'an 112:1 Say (O Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam) “He is Allah, (the) One. In Qur'an 59:22-24 He is Allah, than Whom there is La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He) the All-Knower of the unseen and the seen (open). He is the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful. He is Allah than Whom there is La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He) the King, the Holy, the One Free from all defects, the Giver of security, the Watcher over His creatures, the All-Mighty, the Compeller, the Supreme. Glory be to Allah! (High is He) above all that they associate as partners with Him. He is Allah, the Creator, the Inventor of all things, the Bestower of forms. To Him belong the Best Names . All that is in the heavens and the earth glorify Him. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise. Allah's names from Above Allah Ar-Rahman- The most Beneficient Ar-Rahim- The most Merciful Al-Malk- The King Al-Quddoos- The Holy Al-Salam- The one free from all defects Al-Muhmin- The giver of security Al-Muhaymin- The watcher of His creations Al-Azeez- The all Mighty Al-Jabbar- The Compeller Al-Mutakabbir- The Supreme Al-Khaliq- The Creator Al-Baariu- The inventor of all things Al-Musawwir- The shaper Al-Hakim- The All-Wise. And there many more names from the Qur'an and Sunnah! |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by AntiChristian: 9:57am On Mar 15, 2022 |
cornelboy: Good! Now give us the chains of narrations of this tradition you quote. This would show us it is authentic (saheeh). |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by BornofGod108(m): 10:16am On Mar 15, 2022 |
TruthinAction: it is not my opinion but God's word! Thats a broadway church! forget the miracle she is doing for she is dishonourable vessel in hands of God - (2 Tim 2:20-21), she will not enter heaven except she repents and put of that attire of an harlot 2 Cor 7:1 |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by cornelboy(f): 12:03pm On Mar 15, 2022 |
AntiChristian: Your kidding right? I should bring chain of narration? lol. I have brought what I wanted to bring. It's left for you to prove that it's not authentic. I can't be doing everything for you na. |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by cornelboy(f): 12:27pm On Mar 15, 2022 |
That was a mistake which I have already modified. Rabb is Lord and ILLAHI is God/god/Deity. The Shahaada is Laa Ilaaha illa Allah which means there is no deity/god worth of worship except Allah.You really want me to believe that after being in Islam for many years and have fully learned the Arabic language? Where did you modified it, did you qoute me and apologize for the mistake? Why would i intentionally deceive you on something that is online everywhere?This your contradicting statement is something else. So you know that it's online everywhere but still have me false information. Was that not on purpose This is another blunder from you. Allah has many names of which are Allah, Ar-Rahman, Ar-Rahim, Al-Malk, Al-Quddus, As-Salam, and many more. All these are online just type names of Allah on google.This are not even name but qualities attrubuted to your God. Jehovah is not even His name. It was translated as that some centuries ago!Just like Jesus isn't Jesus's name because it was transliterated from yesua abi Abdullah the father of your prophet worship which Allah? It's actually online everywhere that Christians and Jews before Mohammed use Allah as Arabic word for God and that doesn't mean they are serving the Muslim god. AntiChristian: |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by 1MILLIONLiGHTS(m): 12:59pm On Mar 15, 2022 |
1 Tim 2:9 Likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, 1 Peter 3:3-5 Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear— but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, 1 Like |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by TruthinAction: 9:27pm On Mar 15, 2022 |
BornofGod108: This is dogma and not doctrine. You still don't have scriptures to back up your point. Not even Deuteronomy 22:5 supports you. |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by BornofGod108(m): 5:16am On Mar 16, 2022 |
TruthinAction: your unbelief does not stop it from being a sin! you shall get to know it at the day of God's judgement, but by that time it will be too late to change |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by TruthinAction: 7:21am On Mar 16, 2022 |
BornofGod108: You are still making assertions without backup from the Bible. The scripture says that every word shall be established in the mouth of two of three evidences. But you don't even have one. And I have several evidences to buttress my point. 1. The Righteousness we have received from God is a free gift. We don't work for it - Romans 5:17. 2. Salvation is by grace and not of works - Ephesians 2:8-9. 3. The church is not under the Law of Moses or under any strict rules that has to do with outward appearance. The scripture only says we should avoid sins like fornication, adultery, lying, stealing etc. 4. Not even the letters of Apostle Paul or Peter refer to style of dress. They only caution women to be modest in appearance. Your problem is a mindset you already have. Keep it to yourself if you have no scripture to back it up. I know people like you will also condemn women who make up or put on jewelry. |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by AntiChristian: 9:23am On Mar 16, 2022 |
cornelboy: Without a valid chain of narration anything you quote outside the Qur'an is baseless! So since you started the narration, do complete it. |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by AntiChristian: 9:36am On Mar 16, 2022 |
cornelboy:If you follow the discussion you would have seen where the mistake came from. The typo came from your consistent diversions away from the topic. Anyway, apologies for the mistake. This your contradicting statement is something else. So you know that it's online everywhere but still have me false information.Everything i posted is the truth as far as i know. It can be verified online and that was a mistake which i have rectified. This are not even name but qualities attrubuted to your God.This is silly! Ar-Rahman is Allah's name. Others too are his names. Just like Jesus isn't Jesus's name because it was transliterated from yesua abiIs there any difference between Jesus and Joshua? Abdullah the father of your prophet worship which Allah?Another diversion. Give us the clear verse that says he worshiped Allah? It's actually online everywhere that Christians and Jews before Mohammed use Allah as Arabic word for God and that doesn't mean they are serving the Muslim god. You should note that Arabian societies before Islam were not atheistic societies that denied the existence of Allaah, or societies that were unaware that there is a Lord, Creator and Provider. They knew that, and they still retained some traces of the religion of Ibraaheem, and they had contact with Jews and Christians. But their problem was that they did not worship Allaah Alone in exclusion to others; they had other gods whom they associated in worship with Him, and which they worshipped not on the basis that they were the Lord, the Creator the Provider, but because they claimed that these were intermediaries who would intercede between them and Allaah and bring them closer to Allaah. Hence Allaah said concerning them (interpretation of the meaning): “And if you (O Muhammad) ask them: ‘Who has created the heavens and the earth,’ they will certainly say: ‘Allaah’” [Luqmaan 31:25] This indicates that they acknowledged that Allaah is the Creator. Another aayah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And verily, if you ask them: ‘Who created the heavens and the earth?’ Surely, they will say: ‘Allaah (has created them)’” [al-Zumar 39:38] Many aayaat indicated that they believed in the Unity of Lordship (Tawheed al-Ruboobiyyah); their shirk was with regard to divinity (uloohiyyah), as Allaah says concerning them (interpretation of the meaning): “And those who take Awliyaa’ (protectors, helpers, lords, gods) besides Him (say): ‘We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allaah’” [al-Zumar 39:3] i.e., they said, we only worship them so that they may bring us closer to Allaah. |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by cornelboy(f): 10:05am On Mar 16, 2022 |
AntiChristian: The narration I gave, is it valid? Are the references valid? |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by AntiChristian: 10:54am On Mar 16, 2022 |
cornelboy: The reference is neither from Qur'an nor Hadith. |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by BornofGod108(m): 11:40am On Mar 16, 2022 |
TruthinAction: 1Tim 2:9-10 and 1Pet 3:1-3 condemns jewelry and indecent dressing.Female trouser is indecent because TROUSERS MAKES WOMEN NAKED! THE SHAPE OF HER PRIVATE PARTS ARE SEEN, THE SIZE OF HER BUTTOCKS, LAPS AND WAIST ARE SEEN! That is immorality! But what actually made you to wear trouser as a woman? in our society trousers is known as a masculine dress, and Deut :22:5 says any woman that put on masculine dress(Trouser) is an abomination in sight of God! even if you are a pastor |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:25pm On Mar 16, 2022 |
BornofGod108: Mr Rika's opinion doesn't count here so if you are his disciple know that his rules can only be upon you not all readers of the Bible. By the time Moses wrote those words men put on skirts (not trousers) so it's civilization that brought in trousers and it's for both men and women! |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by TruthinAction: 9:25pm On Mar 16, 2022 |
BornofGod108: I am afraid of you. If those verses you quoted condemned jewelry, then it also condemned clothing for clothing was included in the list. The street of heaven are made of gold. Our Lord Jesus put on a golden belt in the book of Revelation. Men wore skirts at the time Deuteronomy 22:5:was written. Even at that, the Law of Moses is not binding on the church. The problem you are having is sin consciousness. I know you will also condemn Jesus for permitting a harlot to kiss him and pour perfume on him. I feel sorry for the bondage your Pastor has put you in |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:44pm On Mar 16, 2022 |
TruthinAction: His pastor is Mr Rika! |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by cornelboy(f): 10:41pm On Mar 16, 2022 |
AntiChristian:Is the story not true? Are the references false? Being the authentic one na |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by adecephasjr(m): 11:03pm On Mar 16, 2022 |
LilMissFavvy:modest aparel may mean trousers too, a lady can also sin by wearing skirt, all I believe in Nigeria christianity is religion and tradition. |
Re: Trousers Makes Women Naked! Why? by BornofGod108(m): 12:09am On Mar 17, 2022 |
TruthinAction: feel sorry for yourself, 1Tim 2:9-10 and 1Pet 3:1-3 clearly condemn jewelry and you are still arguing? Well whatever makes you feel good type, the end shall tell! |
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