PoliteActivist:


I leave you two with this, be honest with yourselves: Other major religious leaders talked like men dealing with God.
While Lord Jesus, a carpenter with neither money nor influence, talked like he was God.

We know and believe Jesus is the promised Messiah.
He's a mighty God isaiah 9:6
He did miracles through God's holy spirit but never claimed he was God.
He only claimed that he is the son of the living God, the Messiah.

He's not the one tue God nor equal to God the Father.

PoliteActivist:

In that case discussion will not be possible, if we have to wait for people to tell us their own particular meanings and definitions.

Oh yeah! Now you learn why we pay great attention to "the intention of the Writer" of every document, because this would definitely point us to direction of any riddle or idiom which a writer may place in his work.

And Chapter 1:3 clearly expressed the intention of the Writer.

PoliteActivist:


Mathew quote is equivalent to "I have all authority..."
Everything else you quoted is from St. Paul, a fanatic about Christ's divinity.

Lol. What are you talking about
What bout what Peter said in acts of the apostles?

John 14:28
[28]Remember what I told you: I am going away, but I will come back to you again. If you really loved me, you would be happy that I am going to the Father, who is greater than I am.

John 12:49
[49]I[b] don’t speak on my own authority. The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it.[/b]

Dtruthspeaker:


Oh yeah! Now you learn why we pay great attention to "the intention of the Writer" of every document, because this would definitely point us to direction of any riddle or idiom which a writer may place in his work.

And Chapter 1:3 clearly expressed the intention of the Writer.

Here's the verse you quoted:

Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

Exactly what you are NOT doing, instead you are twisting clear words. At the time he wrote this the mindset was that stars were little lamps in the sky so it was quite natural that he'd write what he wrote.

Instead of accepting that and moving on, you'd rather be a devious, dishonest person!

Just as when he said "the time is near" he didn't mean. In 2000 years. Trying to twist it to mean that is dishonesty!

cornelboy:


Lol. What are you talking about
What bout what Peter said in acts of the apostles?

John 14:28
[28]Remember what I told you: I am going away, but I will come back to you again. If you really loved me, you would be happy that I am going to the Father, who is greater than I am.

John 12:49
[49]I[b] don’t speak on my own authority. The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it.[/b]
MaxInDHouse, Dtruthspeaker

Listen up you three, the Bible is meant to be taken as a whole NOT quoting verses in isolation. That there are isolated inconsistencies and inaccuracies in the Bible is clear. Don't deny that. It doesn't take away from the fact that thrust of the book is clear.
Take Lord Jesus's divinity for example, taking the bible as a whole, there is no doubt He is God the Son of God. But you can always find isolated verses that'd seem to be against that.

Bottom Line:
These are spiritual things that truly don't have physical equivalent but here's an approximation:

Lord Jesus has the fullness of God in Himself . He is of the same "material" as God the Father.
He is not nearly in the same category as Moses or Mohammed or any of the prophets. HE IS GOD THE SON!

PoliteActivist:

Don't know what you mean. I think you quoted wrong.
Besides, Hebrews is a letter written by St. Paul to th Hebrews - the same St. Paul that was all about the divinity of Christ

Paul said Christ cried unto someone who is able to SAVE him!

During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear! Hebrews 5:7

This is clear enough that Jesus is not the Almighty God.
Thanks for your time!

PoliteActivist:

I leave you two with this, be honest with yourselves: Other major religious leaders talked like men dealing with God.
While Lord Jesus, a carpenter with neither money nor influence, talked like he was God.

For God so love the world that He SENT his only begotten Son so that whoever believe in him might not perish but have everlasting life! John 3:16


Jesus himself is clear enough that someone SENT him!

PoliteActivist:

Take Lord Jesus's divinity for example, taking the bible as a whole, there is no doubt He is God the Son of God. But you can always find isolated verses that'd seem to be against that.

Since you think God is contradicting Himself then why arguing with people who believe in what you don't?

We know our own God doesn't contradict Himself so we can TEACH you what He's saying but if you choose to worship a god of confusion our own God doesn't confuse us we understand His word perfectly!

PoliteActivist:

That there are isolated inconsistencies and inaccuracies in the Bible is clear.

You keep saying this rubbish and yet there is none, so how can your testimony be True when your understanding and comprehension is horrible.

I have just bursted your 1 of your supposed inconsistency "creation story" and your brain started scratching like a scratched Cd, then you started looking for a place to stand "CHANGING POST, then you started blaming different Bibles.

All these just prove you have no foundation and substance and Truth, so shut your shit hole up your face!

PoliteActivist:


Listen up you three, the Bible is meant to be taken as a whole NOT quoting verses in isolation. That there are isolated inconsistencies and inaccuracies in the Bible is clear. Don't deny that. It doesn't take away from the fact that thrust of the book is clear.
Take Lord Jesus's divinity for example, taking the bible as a whole, there is no doubt He is God the Son of God. But you can always find isolated verses that'd seem to be against that.

Bottom Line:
These are spiritual things that truly don't have physical equivalent but here's an approximation:

Lord Jesus has the fullness of God in Himself . He is of the same "material" as God the Father.
He is not nearly in the same category as Moses or Mohammed or any of the prophets. HE IS GOD THE SON!

Do you remember what John said in revelation about those that add to God's word?

No where in the Bible you would see "God the son" you will only see "God the Father". Why?
Because the Father us the only through God.

John 17:3
[3]And this is the way to have eternal life—to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.

1 Corinthians 8:5-6
[5]There may be so-called gods both in heaven and on earth, and some people actually worship many gods and many lords.
[6]But for us,
There is one God, the Father,
    by whom all things were created,
    and for whom we live.
And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ,
    through whom all things were created,
    and through whom we live.

The words of God don't contradicts each other. You still have a lot to learn.

PoliteActivist:
...Exactly what you are NOT doing, instead you are twisting clear words. At the time he wrote this the mindset was that stars were little lamps in the sky so it was quite natural that he'd write what he wrote.

Surely, you are a mad Fool! For about the "stars falling down" thing I answered you and you said

"In that case discussion will not be possible,"

And here you are, stupidly bringing it back again, You are a Big Mad Fool. I don't talk with Big Stupid Mad Fools!

cornelboy:

Do you remember what John said in revelation about those that add to God's word?
No where in the Bible you would see "God the son" you will only see "God the Father". Why?
Because the Father us the only through God.
John 17:3
[3]And this is the way to have eternal life—to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.
1 Corinthians 8:5-6
[5]There may be so-called gods both in heaven and on earth, and some people actually worship many gods and many lords.
[6]But for us,
There is one God, the Father,
    by whom all things were created,
    and for whom we live.
And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ,
    through whom all things were created,
    and through whom we live.

The words of God don't contradicts each other. You still have a lot to learn.

He is hinging on the indoctrination of TRINITY yet he wants to understand the Bible instead of removing trinity that's not found written anywhere in the Bible he is now contradicting Himself!

MaxInDHouse:


He is hinging on the indoctrination of TRINITY yet he wants to understand the Bible instead of removing trinity that's not found written anywhere in the Bible he is now contradicting Himself!

I actually put up a good honest fight with that JW mam from new Zealand on trinity but my eyes were opened and everything made sense when I realized from the Bible that God the Father is the only true God, no one besides Him Deuteronomy 6:4

Dtruthspeaker:


Surely, you are a mad Fool! For about the "stars falling down" thing I answered you and you said

"In that case discussion will not be possible,"

And here you are, stupidly bringing it back again, You are a Big Mad Fool. I don't talk with Big Stupid Mad Fools! MaxInDHouse, cornelboy

My friends what sort of Christian is this guy? Dishonesty is not enough, look at his language!

Dtruthspeaker:


You keep saying this rubbish and yet there is none, so how can your testimony be True when your understanding and comprehension is horrible.

I have just bursted your 1 of your supposed inconsistency "creation story" and your brain started scratching like a scratched Cd, then you started looking for a place to stand "CHANGING POST, then you started blaming different Bibles.

All these just prove you have no foundation and substance and Truth, so shut your shit hole up your face!

MaxInDHouse:


Since you think God is contradicting Himself then why arguing with people who believe in what you don't?

We know our own God doesn't contradict Himself so we can TEACH you what He's saying but if you choose to worship a god of confusion our own God doesn't confuse us we understand His word perfectly!
cornelboy

Below are some 70 contradictions in the Bible. Deal with them one after another:

PoliteActivist:




Below are some 20 contradictions in the Bible. Deal with them one after another:

I won't talk about the contradiction until you respond to my comments.

cornelboy, MaxInDHouse, Dtruthspeaker

More

cornelboy, MaxInDHouse, Dtruthspeaker

Still more

cornelboy:


I won't talk about the contradiction until you respond to my comments.

My only part is to tell you you are mistaken. There are too many pointers. Lord Jesus used the God "I am", He forgave sins and gave his followers power to do so (while all prophets ask for forgiveness of their sins), he was Emmanuel (God with us), the wise men came to WORSHIP him, etc.
If, after reading the Bible, and taking it as a whole, not isolating a verse here and there, you STILL believe Lord Jesus is (you'd say was) god the same way Moses was god, and just another prophet sent by God, I leave you to your belief.

PoliteActivist:


My friends what sort of Christian is this guy? Dishonesty is not enough, look at his language!

All you need is a free home Bible study with us!

PoliteActivist:


My only part is to tell you you are mistaken. There are too many pointers. Lord Jesus used the God "I am", He forgave sins and gave his followers power to do so (while all prophets ask for forgiveness of their sins), he was Emmanuel (God with us), the wise men came to WORSHIP him, etc.
If, after reading the Bible, and taking it as a whole, not isolating a verse here and there, you STILL believe Lord Jesus is (you'd say was) god the same way Moses was god, and just another prophet sent by God, I leave you to your belief.

I don't have time arguing with you. It's pointless. Cos you have already proven that the Bible is full of contradictions.

You can't prove that the Bible is contradiction and still go ahead to prove that only you opinion is valid, is the truth, no!

Mind you "God the son" "Godhead", "trinity" ain't biblical terms, they were invented by men.

MaxInDHouse:


All you need is a free home Bible study with us!

My Bible or the one you doctored with "And the word was a god" ?

cornelboy:


I don't have time arguing with you. It's pointless. Cos you have already proven that the Bible is full of contradictions.

You can't prove that the Bible is contradiction and still go ahead to prove that only you opinion is valid, is the truth, no!

Mind you "God the son" "Godhead", "trinity" ain't biblical terms, they were invented by men.

That the Bible IS full of isolated and inconsequential contradictions, doesn't change the thrust of it.

Just read your Bible with an open heart from beginning to end, noting all the references to Christ, including thousands of years before his birth, then see what you believe.

PoliteActivist:

My Bible or the one you doctored with "And the word was a god" ?

Then keep your idea of the god that's contradicting itself Sir!

MaxInDHouse:

Then keep your idea of the god that's contradicting itself Sir!

You are confusing God (Spirit) with a book compiled by flawed, sinful men, many with an agenda.
Like I told you b4, the earliest Christians who were the purest and most fanatic never had NT nor all these Paul's letters you people have been quoting!

PoliteActivist:

You are confusing God (Spirit) with a book compiled by flawed, sinful men, many with an agenda.
Like I told you b4, the earliest Christians who were the purest and most fanatic never had NT nor all these Paul's letters you people have been quoting!

There was nothing like Christians until Jesus' disciples were noticed in the ancient city of Antioch {Act 11:26} And Paul whom Jesus gave the authority to serve as the Apostle of the nations surely worked with them! Act 9:15

So without Paul there's nothing like Christianity in other nations meaning there's no way you can know anything about Jesus of Nazareth!

PoliteActivist:


That the Bible IS full of isolated and inconsequential contradictions, doesn't change the thrust of it.

Just read your Bible with an open heart from beginning to end, noting all the references to Christ, including thousands of years before his birth, then see what you believe.

Give us the verse that says Jesus is God the son or says he's the true God, can you?

When you look the Bible from all angles, it crystal clear that God the Father is the only person that's God. Jesus got everything he has from his Father.

Jesus only claimed to be the Christ, son of the living God.

MaxInDHouse:


There was nothing like Christians until Jesus' disciples were noticed in the ancient city of Antioch {Act 11:26} And Paul whom Jesus gave the authority to serve as the Apostle of the nations surely worked with them! Act 9:15

So without Paul there's nothing like Christianity in other nations meaning there's no way you can know anything about Jesus of Nazareth!

Do you people have any iota if spirituality in you at all? Or you look at everything carnally? A Christian is a follower of Christ and there are no purer followers of Christ than those His early disciples!

cornelboy:


Give us the verse that says Jesus is God the son or says he's the true God, can you?

When you look the Bible from all angles, it crystal clear that God the Father is the only person that's God. Jesus got everything he has from his Father.

Jesus only claimed to be the Christ, son of the living God.

The Bible doesn't work that way, that's why you can't quote verses in isolation. As you prayerfully read the Bible, despite all the contradictions, a picture emerges, a message is delivered to you.
If a mighty prophet (John TB) says he was sent just to prepare the way for another person and that he's not fit to tie that person's shoes (the lowliest of low things to do), how can that person be just another prophet??
Have you ever heard a prophet even say another prophet was greater than him?
He used the Godly "I am", He said he was the ONLY way, He forgave sins, He was foretold thousands of years ahead, He accepted worship, etc.
If you take all that together and still conclude He was just another Moses or John TB, so be it.

PoliteActivist:

Do you people have any iota if spirituality in you at all? Or you look at everything carnally? A Christian is a follower of Christ and there are no purer followers of Christ than those His early disciples!

False!

They never mastered what Christ laid down until Jesus appointed Paul to spread Christianity to other nations.
For your information Peter the one Jesus asked to lead the group {Matthew 16:18-19 compare to John 21:15-17} failed to keep Jesus' teachings due to his Judaism background.
Well it was this same Paul that God used to correct Peter's blunder otherwise Christianity would have failed when Peter treated none Jews as if they're not his Christian brothers! Galatians 2:11-14

So we can't say they were purest until Jesus singlehandedly appoint Paul to assist them in the work of building the BODY OF CHRIST {Ephesians 4:11-16} which was later known in Antioch as "CHRISTIANS" Act 11:26

MaxInDHouse:


False!

They never mastered what Christ laid down until Jesus appointed Paul to spread Christianity to other nations.
For your information Peter the one Jesus asked to lead the group {Matthew 16:18-19 compare to John 21:15-17} failed to keep Jesus' teachings due to his Judaism background.
Well it was this same Paul that God used to correct Peter's blunder otherwise Christianity would have failed when Peter treated none Jews as if they're not his Christian brothers! Galatians 2:11-14

So we can't say they were purest until Jesus singlehandedly appoint Paul to assist them in the work of building the BODY OF CHRIST {Ephesians 4:11-16} which was later known in Antioch as "CHRISTIANS" Act 11:26

Do you even know the types of horrible deaths they accepted because of Christ? How many people you know would be willing to DIE for a "failed" person subjected to the most humiliating of deaths?
Please don't compare later Christians to them.

PoliteActivist:


My friends what sort of Christian is this guy? Dishonesty is not enough, look at his language!

The type of Christian that knows when it is time to cast stones upon very very Stupid Mad children who think because they can read, therefore, they have been educated and therefore, they can speak filth about The Lord and His Word.

Your life shall be filled with contradictions and inconsistencies, stupid moro.n.