FoolishBoy419:


You are right but the problem is that should NATO and Russia ever go to war, nuclear weapons would definitely be used.

OkCornel:


Where precisely in Revelation Chapter 14 can we see the “first batch” of the first resurrection?

Revelation 20 already clarifies the first resurrection, and we don’t see anywhere in the scriptures this first resurrection is in batches

SenatePresdo:


First of all Ukraine isn't a Nato member state, and as such, Nato isn't under any obligation or treaty to fight for Ukraine.

America attacking Russia over Ukraine would be that America is looking for trouble.

Best they can do is to aid Ukraine, which they are doing.

I'm even in support of Russia in this war, its a necessary one.

Truvelisback:
Na the same thing we dey talk. Dem only get power as group not as one man. For ur info, Iran didn't make any noise, dem self know say dem no be U.S match. Russia na their match, if e sure for U.S or for U.K wey dey hide for U.S back, make him face Russia one on one without any of their allies interfering.

Dreamhighnow:


But they are still struggling with Ukraine

Truvelisback:
I said this because, the U.S are fond of interfering in fights like this by sending their troops there and attacking any country they felt is a threat or troublesome. If it were countries like Iran or Iraq that invaded Ukraine this way, wouldn't they have interfered?

FoolishBoy419:



That is just what you think. Nuclear weapons are not distributed to allies except maybe in secret and there is no confirmation on that. North Korea spent years begging the Soviet Union to just teach them how to build nuclear weapons but they refused. We are talking about two communist states here.

The last time USA and USSR took ballistic missiles to Turkey and Cuba, what happened?

generalwo:
..... So if Russia no provoke them, make them carry go begin face Russia?? If Russia is so powerful, they should provoke USA or UK.....

Truvelisback:
War is war, nuclear or no nuclear. Note: Putin deliberately reserve the nuclear for mainly the U.S and NATO.

Comradewhy:

NOETHNICITY:
See this ones forming gra gra
Even the dumbest of humans know you are all about mouth and completely empty without America backing in the invent of war. Ur military is completely depleted and can't stand alone in any military forth, which was why when america decided to withdraw from afghanistan you were the first the complete withdrawal of troops.

Russia will continue to target and destroy all the military hardware you supply to ukraine and you know it has the capability of doing just so.
If you lots truly love ukraine like you publicly claim you do, you would initiate negotiations and ceasefire with Russia rather push ukraine to further doom by supplying weapons that will worsen the situation

Report has it that Russia completely destroyed weapons shipment to ukraine from Poland.
If tem born una we'll make una follow the weapons enter ukraine whether Russia no go finish una heads

Gospel2Day:



Who are the 144000 in Revelation 14 : 1 - 5?
What is the meaning of FIRSTFRUITS in verse 4?
By firstfruits, it means the first batch of harvested crops.
The name written on their foreheads was promised to raptured saints in Revelation 3 : 12.

slymansun:


This type of stupid comment comes because their are a lot of kids on nairaland. You just carry your phone and make uninformed comments. What do you know about war?
What do you know about military strategies?
What reliable information do you have about the military capacity of NATO or Russia?

NOETHNICITY:
Poland should launch a bomb or fly a jet into ukraine. If them born them well make them fly one of those mig fighter jet into ukraine

Truvelisback:
Killing the Journalist no reach to provoke dem? Abi if na Iran or Iraq kill the Journalist, dem for never attack dem?

OkCornel:


The 144,000 are those sealed from the various tribes of Israel. Nowhere in the scriptures did it mention they are raptured. As a matter of fact, they will still be on earth doing the Lord's work.

Revelation 7 v 3-4;
3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”
4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

Revelation 9 v 3-4;
3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth.
4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads.


Where did you hear the 144,000 are the first batch of the first resurrection (which according to you is the rapture)?

Gospel2Day:


The 144000 of Revelation Chapter 7 is different from the 144000 of Chapter 14.
Don't muddle things together.
Jews who are not born again CANNOT have the testimony of those in chapter 14 - they follow the Lamb wherever He goes. Did the Jews follow Jesus, or they rejected and crucified Him?
If anyone who is NOT born again can have the purity and spirituality described in Revelation 14 : 1-5, then it is useless to be born again.

FoolishBoy419:
Clowns. How many nuclear bombs would it take to wipe out that island? Militarily, these people still haven't realized they are on past glory.

If Russia should attack a NATO territory and USA decides not to fight, I swear you won't hear 'pim' from Britain or any other NATO nation. Without USA, they are toothless and even USA is cautious about the Russian federation as we can all see today.


The only time you see the bravery of NATO is either when they are GANGING UP against a 3rd world country or in their movies. Even when they gangup with their coalition, they sometimes fail. The Korean and Vietnam wars are good examples.

OkCornel:


That is not my point, nor the crux of the discussion you are drifting away from.

Where exactly did the scriptures refer to the 144,000 as the first batch of the first resurrection?

OkCornel:


That is not my point, nor the crux of the discussion you are drifting away from.

Where exactly did the scriptures refer to the 144,000 as the first batch of the first resurrection?

Gospel2Day:


My brother, can you find this word in your Bible FIRSTFRUITS?
Go and check the dictionary meaning of FIRSTFRUITS.

OkCornel:


Where did you see FIRSTFRUITS OF THE FIRST RESURRECTION in Revelation chapter 7 or 14?

And who told you in the 144,000 in Revelation chapter 7 is different from the one in chapter 14?

Just seeing all sorts of claims not supported by the scriptures here.

OkCornel:


Where did you see FIRSTFRUITS OF THE FIRST RESURRECTION in Revelation chapter 7 or 14?

And who told you in the 144,000 in Revelation chapter 7 is different from the one in chapter 14?

Just seeing all sorts of claims not supported by the scriptures here.

Gospel2Day:


At Rapture, Jesus will come for His Bride, the Church. And He will receive the church in the sky and take us to heaven for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. (1 Thessalonians 4 : 16 & 17).
At Second Coming, Jesus will come for His Jewish people, and He will land on Mount Olivet in Jerusalem. (Zechariah 14 : 3 & 4).

OkCornel:


You quoted 1 Thessalonians 4 v 16-17 as your evidence for pre-trib rapture?

Well, this is Paul clarifying that verse in 2 Thessalonians 2 v 1-4. Infact, I’ll put both scriptural references here;

1 Thessalonians 4 v 16-17;
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

2 Thessalonians 2 v 1-4

1.Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,
2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.
3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

Gospel2Day:


READ VERSE 4 of Chapter 14.
Can you see FIRSTFRUITS there?
What's the meaning of FIRSTFRUITS in the Bible and in the dictionary?
It simply means the first part or batch of harvest.
Post-Tribulation doctrinal position is wrong.
Noah and his family did not go through the Flood.
Lot and his family did not go through the Fire.
They both were kept safe from God's judgment.
So how do you feel the church will go through the Great Tribulation, when all the time of the believer on earth is tribulation itself?
Shalom.

Gospel2Day:


Do you know the meaning of the Day of the Lord?
It is when God unleashes His wrath and judgement on the earth.
Will true and holy believers be around on the earth at that time?
The Day of the Lord will come after the Rapture.
Our gathering together to the Lord is in the air, sky NOT in Jerusalem.
Please, Google the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming of Jesus.

OkCornel:


I can see first fruits there. Seems you still do not understand my question.

First fruits of what? That chapter speaks nothing of the resurrection.

Revelation 14 v 4;
4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.

Where in this verse do you see any remote connection with the word resurrection?

Gospel2Day:


Haba, firstfruits of the harvest of the church vineyard of God.
The first group to be raised to meet Jesus in the air.
Okay,let me ask you, who are the people in Revelation 14 : 1-5?