Most Christians (church goers) today from protestants churches and all other Christian denominations believe that Jesus is GOD and he's equal and the same as the Father.
If they are really right as they think they are, why do they find it hard to believe virgin Mary as the mother of GOD?

The fact is, if indeed Jesus is God and he's the Father, there's no blasphemy in saying Mary is the mother of GOD.

The Roman Catholic church is the originator of trinity and "Mary the mother of GOD" doctrines. So why should we believe in one and reject the other?

If only you know what the church went through before those facts where taken as dogmas you won't believe.

Seriously others will argue but the church is most times very silent to modern criticism because over time they have gone through the most brilliant and theologically endowed great men of old in virtually every angle of the divide.

Among the church"s earlier fathers also doctors of the church there are a lot that will argue for or against such very trivial topics but at a point the church will take a definite stand so that wether you believe or disbelieve the church will ever remain one indivisible church.

You can quote a thousand verses where Jesus treated His mother with disdain but how many verse can you quote that Mary did not birth Jesus and if Mary is truly the mother of Jesus and Jesus is truly God both in man then it's only logical that the mother of a king is actually the king's mother.

The church is the pillar and foundation of truth.

Thanks for proving my point.
If Jesus is God, it's logical to conclude that Mary his mother is the mother of God.

But most Christian denominations claims that the trinity is biblical but don't want to accept that Mary the mother of God is biblical, that doesn't make sense na.

My parent believes in trinity and that's what I was made to believe while growing up.
But after some extensive study of the Bible, I saw and knew the TRUTH and it set me free of ignorance and men uninspired doctrines!

The trinity is a false doctrine just like believing Mary is the mother of GOD.

Cause Christ is GOD.



Praises:
Heb 1:8: "But to the Son God said: Thy throne O God is forever and ever."

Jesus is never the father. he is only chosen as the son

Very correct from you, OP! Any pentecostal that believes in Trinity MUST accept Mary as the mother of God!

How can an important pillar of Christianity be this unclear?

Is Jesus God the father? No!

Who sent Jesus? God the father!

Who did Jesus pray to? God the father!

Jesus said our father who is in heaven "never on earth physically"

Jesus doesn't know the hour but the father knows all things.

God can't be born as a human, suck breast, become helpless as to need parental protection, cry, suffer and die!

Even before dying he was claiming his father forsook him. Why didn't he claim he forsook himself?

Lastly a voice came from heaven saying this is my beloved son in whom I'm well pleased.

Jesus is not God!
Mary is not God's mother nor God's wife!
I wonder why Joseph is not God's father too!

AntiChristian:
How can an important pillar of Christianity be this unclear?

Is Jesus God the father? No!

Who sent Jesus? God the father!

Who did Jesus pray to? God the father!

Jesus said our father who is in heaven "never on earth physically"

Jesus doesn't know the hour but the father knows all things.

God can't be born as a human, suck breast, become helpless as to need parental protection, cry, suffer and die!

God can be whatsoever is necessary for God to be.

God, unlike you in your twisted and pervert mind, doesnt have a hang-up, nor mental or emotional difficulty, to come on each be born as a human, suck breast, become helpless as to need parental protection, cry, suffer and finally die!

AntiChristian:
Even before dying he was claiming his father forsook him. Why didn't he claim he forsook himself?

Lastly a voice came from heaven saying this is my beloved son in whom I'm well pleased.

Jesus is not God!
Mary is not God's mother nor God's wife!
I wonder why Joseph is not God's father too!

Why Joseph is not God's father is because none of his chromosomes was used in manifesting Jesus

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
God can be whatsoever is necessary for God to be.

God, unlike you in your twisted and pervert mind, doesnt have a hang-up, nor mental or emotional difficulty, to come on each be born as a human, suck breast, become helpless as to need parental protection, cry, suffer and finally die!

Seem your God can change? I will never worship such God.

Why Joseph is not God's father is because none of his chromosomes was used in manifesting Jesus

But he adopted Jesus right?
Mary had other sons and daughter!
Are there brothers and daughters of God or what is their relationship with God?

AntiChristian:
Seem your God can change?

Thats why God is God. God is never handicapped

AntiChristian:
I will never worship such God.

Inasmuch as you keep using your twisted and crooked mind, trying to fit God into warped theology box, you'll never have the opportunity and privilege to worship such God.

AntiChristian:
But he adopted Jesus right?

Joseph, adopted Jesus, just as all believers do.

AntiChristian:
Mary had other sons and daughter!

Have you a problem with that

AntiChristian:
Are there brothers and daughters of God or what is their relationship with God?

Yes, there are brothers and daughters of God and it is a familial relationship with God

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Lighthouse50:
Jesus is never the father. he is only chosen as the son

Thank you.
Jesus is not also equal to God the Father. The trinity is a false doctrine.

AntiChristian:
How can an important pillar of Christianity be this unclear?

Is Jesus God the father? No!

Who sent Jesus? God the father!

Who did Jesus pray to? God the father!

Jesus said our father who is in heaven "never on earth physically"

Jesus doesn't know the hour but the father knows all things.

God can't be born as a human, suck breast, become helpless as to need parental protection, cry, suffer and die!

Even before dying he was claiming his father forsook him. Why didn't he claim he forsook himself?

Lastly a voice came from heaven saying this is my beloved son in whom I'm well pleased.

Jesus is not God!
Mary is not God's mother nor God's wife!
I wonder why Joseph is not God's father too!

That's why only the JWs hold to the pure doctrines of the Bible God's WORD.

NNTR:
Thats why God is God. God is never handicapped

Inasmuch as you keep using your twisted and crooked mind, trying to fit God into warped theology box, you'll never have the opportunity and privilege to worship such God.

Joseph, adopted Jesus, just as all believers do.

Have you a problem with that

Yes, there are brothers and daughters of God and it is a familial relationship with God

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Jesus is a distinct person from God the Father Who is the one true GOD.
Jesus is not equal to Him in any way.

God is all by Himself. He's the source of all life.
God created Jesus and through Jesus he created everything else.

Vinnie2000:
Very correct from you, OP! Any pentecostal that believes in Trinity MUST accept Mary as the mother of God!

That's right.
But the Bible don't support trinity. It's a false doctrine.
God is one single being.

cornelboy:
Jesus is a distinct person from God the Father Who is the one true GOD.

All sons are distinct from their fathers, so Jesus isnt an exception to this rule.

Jesus, is a distinct person from God, the Father, who in this instance and even context, is the one true Begetter, or Paterfamilias of Jesus

cornelboy:
Jesus is not equal to Him in any way.

Philippians 2:6
'5The attitude you should have is the one that Christ Jesus had:
6He always had the nature of God,
but he did not think that by force he should try to remain equal with God.
7Instead of this, of his own free will he gave up all he had, and took the nature of a servant.
He became like a human being and appeared in human likeness.'

cornelboy:
God is all by Himself. He's the source of all life.

John 1:1-5, 10-11
'1In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (i.e. Jesus Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.
2He was [continually existing] in the beginning [co-eternally] with God.
3All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him not even one thing was made that has come into being.
4In Him was life [and the power to bestow life], and the life was the Light of men.
5The Light shines on in the darkness, and the darkness did not understand it or overpower it or appropriate it or absorb it [and is unreceptive to it]
10He (Christ) was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.
11He came to that which was His own [that which belonged to Him--His world, His creation, His possession], and those who were His own [people--the Jewish nation] did not receive and welcome Him.'

Of course, God is all by Himself. He's the source of all life. Amen to that

cornelboy:
God created Jesus and through Jesus he created everything else.

Two simple questions for you please:

1. Whose word is this 'God created Jesus and through Jesus he created everything else' quote? Is it you or it isnt you?
2. At one point in the passage of time, was Jesus created.?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

cornelboy:


That's why only the JWs hold to the pure doctrines of the Bible God's WORD.

JW? Jesus was an Angel?

No hell? 144,000? Etc.

AntiChristian:


JW? Jesus was an Angel?

No hell? 144,000? Etc.

So?

Philippians 2:6
'5The attitude you should have is the one that Christ Jesus had:
6He always had the nature of God,
but he did not think that by force he should try to remain equal with God.
7Instead of this, of his own free will he gave up all he had, and took the nature of a servant.
He became like a human beingand appeared in human likeness.'

Jesus was created/begotten by GOD. He's the only begotten son of God.

Colossians 1:15
[15]Christ is the visible image of the invisible God.
    He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,

Jesus existed at a point in time, he has a beginning. And was created in his Father's exact image.

Everything he has was given to him by his Father. The name, authority, kingship, God's nature etc..
Jesus remained humble and will remain humble till he hand over everything back to God at the end. 1 Corinthians 15:24-28.

John 1:1-5, 10-11
'1In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (i.e. Jesus Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.
2He was [continually existing] in the beginning [co-eternally] with God.
3All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him not even one thing was made that has come into being.
4In Him was life [and the power to bestow life], and the life was the Light of men.
5The Light shines on in the darkness, and the darkness did not understand it or overpower it or appropriate it or absorb it [and is unreceptive to it]
10He (Christ) was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.
11He came to that which was His own [that which belonged to Him--His world, His creation, His possession], and those who were His own [people--the Jewish nation] did not receive and welcome Him.'

Of course Jesus is a God/god but not definitely the the same God/god John 1:1 says he was with in the beginning.
Jesus himself said the Father is the one true God John 17:3. Paul confirmed it at 1 Corinthians 8:5&6

1 Corinthians 8:5-6
[5]There may be so-called gods both in heaven and on earth, and some people actually worship many gods and many lords.
[6]But for us,
There is one God, the Father,
    by whom all things were created,
    and for whom we live.
And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ,
    through whom all things were created,
    and through whom we live.

Of course, God is all by Himself. He's the source of all life. Amen to that

God created everything through his only begotten son Jesus Christ. Jesus was created first. So God is the source of all life and Father of all.

Two simple questions for you please:

1. Whose word is this 'God created Jesus and through Jesus he created everything else' quote? Is it you or it isnt you?
2. At one point in the passage of time, was Jesus created.?

1. God begot Jesus and Jesus created everything else for his Father.
Creation happened through Jesus but for God the Father.

2. Jesus had a beginning. He was created in the image of his Father. The Father is the original while the son is the copied image.

NNTR:

Mary was just a medium Jesus used to come into this world as a mortal. So You can say Mary was the mother that brought Jesus into the world as a man. Jesus christ still remains the creator of Mary colossians 1:18 so Mary is just a creature of Jesus in which Jesus hold in high esteem so that does not mean someone should pray to Mary because that is paganism

cornelboy:
Jesus was created/begotten by GOD. He's the only begotten son of God.

Colossians 1:15
Christ is the visible image of the invisible God.
He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,

Jesus existed at a point in time, he has a beginning. And was created in his Father's exact image.

Everything he has was given to him by his Father. The name, authority, kingship, God's nature etc..
Jesus remained humble and will remain humble till he hand over everything back to God at the end. 1 Corinthians 15:24-28.

Of course Jesus is a God/god but not definitely the the same God/god John 1:1 says he was with in the beginning.
Jesus himself said the Father is the one true God John 17:3. Paul confirmed it at 1 Corinthians 8:5&6

1 Corinthians 8:5-6
[5]There may be so-called gods both in heaven and on earth, and some people actually worship many gods and many lords.
[6]But for us,
There is one God, the Father,
    by whom all things were created,
    and for whom we live.
And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ,
through whom all things were created,
and through whom we live.

God created everything through his only begotten son Jesus Christ. Jesus was created first. So God is the source of all life and Father of all.

1. God begot Jesus and Jesus created everything else for his Father.
Creation happened through Jesus but for God the Father.

2. Jesus had a beginning. He was created in the image of his Father. The Father is the original while the son is the copied image.

Few simple questions for you please to reply back to in exact numbered up style:

1. Whose word is this 'God created Jesus and through Jesus he created everything else' quote? Is it yours or it isnt yours?
2. Would you say this 'God created Jesus and through Jesus he created everything else' quote, is you or its not you?
3. At one point in the passage of time, was Jesus, specifically, created?
4. Is Jesus, God Incarnate or not God Incarnate?
5. What to your understanding does God Incarnate mean?
6. What's the implication of the phrase 'God Incarnate'? What truth about God is it indicating?
7. When did the Word become Jesus?
8. What came first between the Word and Jesus?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

1

. Whose word is this 'God created Jesus and through Jesus he created everything else' quote? Is it yours or it isnt yours?

It's mine but that's what the Bible implies.

2. Would you say this 'God created Jesus and through Jesus he created everything else' quote, is you or its not you?

Same as question1

3. At one point in the passage of time, was Jesus, specifically, created?

I don't know specifically when he was created. But it was before the creation of the universe.

4. Is Jesus, God Incarnate or not God Incarnate?

Jesus is not God incarnate. God created him in his own exact image and has been with God from the beginning.

5. What to your understanding does God Incarnate mean?

God didn't become flesh.
Jesus a distinct being from God, God's only begotten son who had been with God before the foundation of the world became flesh.

6. What's the implication of the phrase 'God Incarnate'? What truth about God is it indicating?

It's a false doctrine. You can't see anything like that in a rightly translated version of the Bible.

7. When did the Word become Jesus?

Did you want to say when the word (Jesus) became flesh?

8. What came first between the Word and Jesus?

John use the "word" as a title for Jesus.

Jesus was a whole complete being before he incarnate. He wasn't a literal word in God's mouth.
So I wouldn't say there's a distinction between Jesus and the title used for him.

NNTR:
Few simple questions for you please to reply back to in exact numbered up style:

cornelboy:
1It's mine but that's what the Bible implies.

Same as question1

I don't know specifically when he was created. But it was before the creation of the universe.

Jesus is not God incarnate. God created him in his own exact image and has been with God from the beginning.

God didn't become flesh.
Jesus a distinct being from God, God's only begotten son who had been with God before the foundation of the world became flesh.

It's a false doctrine. You can't see anything like that in a rightly translated version of the Bible.

Did you want to say when the word (Jesus) became flesh?

John use the "word" as a title for Jesus.

Jesus was a whole complete being before he incarnate. He wasn't a literal word in God's mouth.
So I wouldn't say there's a distinction between Jesus and the title used for him.

The rest of the few simple questions for you please to reply back to in exact numbered up style:

2. Would you say this 'God created Jesus and through Jesus he created everything else' quote, is you or its not you?
9. Can your words becomes flesh?
10. Can you project yourself out of your body to extend and then exist simultaneously outside your body
11. Can you beget yourself?

Questions 1 and 2 are not the same question, so please reply appropriately, saying, if its you or its not you

After receiving your replies to 2, 9-11, I'll review all 1- 11 answers in one go and altogether

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

9. Can your words becomes flesh?

If the Bible really teaches that it was God literal words that became flesh, I won't doubt it.
Of course it can't. I don't have any power.

Wake up from your delusion. Jesus was a whole distinct being before he became flesh.

10. Can you project yourself out of your body to extend and then exist simultaneously outside your body

I can't

11. Can you beget yourself?

I can't

Questions 1 and 2 are not the same question, so please reply appropriately, saying, if its you or its not you

Those are my words and it's what the Bible implies.

After receiving your replies to 2, 9-11, I'll review all 1- 11 answers in one go and altogether

Ok

NNTR:
The rest of the few simple questions for you please to reply back to in exact numbered up style:

cornelboy:
If the Bible really teaches that it was God literal words that became flesh, I won't doubt it.
Of course it can't. I don't have any power.

Wake up from your delusion. Jesus was a whole distinct being before he became flesh.

I can't

I can't

Those are my words and it's what the Bible implies.

Ok

I would soon review all your 1- 11 replies, but note for next time, please dont give me unsolicited info. If I need explanations, I will stress where and when I require it.
Example: Can your words becomes flesh?
Answers: Yes, it can or No, it can't

For your info, the bible doesnt teach you anything about the law of gravity, yet you believe the law.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
I would soon review all your 1- 11 replies, but note for next time, please dont give me unsolicited info. If I need explanations, I will stress where and when I require it.
Example: Can your words becomes flesh?
Answers: Yes, it can or No, it can't

For your info, the bible doesnt teach you anything about the law of gravity, yet you believe the law.

When it comes to GOD matter, I believe only what the Bible says.

I didn't ask you for that info above. It's unsolicited.

cornelboy:
When it comes to GOD matter, I believe only what the Bible says.

I didn't ask you for that info above. It's unsolicited.

You will find out what the Bible says, if as you've been advised to, you stick to constraints of the questions you are asked and not be giving unsolicited info that's not part of the questions you are being asked

Get it straight that the moment you first mentioned and quoted me, means, you are in for, to be asked whatever the info above are

We'll soon find out how far true is your claim, that when it comes to GOD matter, you believe only what the Bible says.

Watch this space, for the blow by blow review of your 1 - 11 replies

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
You will find out what the Bible says, if as you've been advised to, you stick to constraints of the questions you are asked and not be giving unsolicited info that's not part of the questions you are being asked

Get it straight that the moment you first mentioned and quoted me, means, you are in for, to be asked whatever the info above are

We'll soon find out how far true is your claim, that when it comes to GOD matter, you believe only what the Bible says.

Watch this space, for the blow by blow review of your 1 - 11 replies

You won't be the only one asking the questions
This is even my thread

NigerianAngelo:
Cause Christ is GOD.

Praises:
Heb 1:8: "But to the Son: Thy throne O God is forever and ever."

Everything the son has is from the Father, name, authority, kingdom etc do you think the son is equal to the Father in any way?

cornelboy:
You won't be the only one asking the questions

Unlike you I'll to the best of my ability, honestly, truthfully and sincerely answer all your questions you put to me.
I will also adhere firmly to the constraints of your questioning

cornelboy:
This is even my thread

What if its your thread, did you see me comment on the thread's opening or original post?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

cornelboy:

When it comes to GOD matter, I believe only what the Bible says.
I didn't ask you for that info above. It's unsolicited.

Walahi talahi you sabi find trouble!

cornelboy:


So?

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cornelboy:
Most Christians (church goers) today from protestants churches and all other Christian denominations believe that Jesus is GOD and he's equal and the same as the Father.
If they are really right as they think they are, why do they find it hard to believe virgin Mary as the mother of GOD?

The fact is, if indeed Jesus is God and he's the Father, there's no blasphemy in saying Mary is the mother of GOD.

The Roman Catholic church is the originator of trinity and "Mary the mother of GOD" doctrines. So why should we believe in one and reject the other?

But this is so brazenly ignorant and foolish, you believe the Catholics only to spite Protestants. Then, after you've finished, you'll turn round to demonize the Catholics, hypocrite comedian.
In the first place, i am yet to hear or see any Protestant teach that Mary is not the mother of God. Or maybe i missed the teaching. Of course Mary is/was the mother of God the Son. The Virgin birth is a core doctrine in all christianity i suppose.
What Protestants would disagree with is worshipping Mary or praying to Mary or praying through Mary instead of Jesus Christ. Remove your head from inside Asleep comic book and see what is really happening around you.