I want to mention something about the spirituality debate. You don't believe in God? Fine, I'm not one to judge, cause I'm not the judge. Why is it so important for many of you to mock those of us that do? If we're wrong, what have we lost when we die? Nothing! How does our believing in Jesus bring you any harm? You think it makes me stupid? Gullible? Fine. How does that affect you? If you're wrong, your consequence is far worse. I would rather live my life believing in God and serving Him, and find out I was right, than not believe in Him and not serve Him, and find out I was wrong. Then it's too late. There's no shame in my game! I believe in Jesus Christ. He said deny me in front of your friends & I will deny you in front of my Father (Matthew 10:33-35). HE'S COMING BACK...Greatest man in history, had no servants, yet they called him Master. Had no degree, yet they called him Teacher. Had no medicines, yet they called him Healer. He had no army, yet kings feared Him. He won no military battles, yet He conquered the world. He committed no crime, yet they crucified Him. He was buried in a tomb, yet He lives today. His name is Jesus. 
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The Bible says "The fool says in his heart, there's no God"(psalms 14:1)
Until humans are able to explain the unexplainable phenomena and provide logical reasons to the illogical, God exists.

Well said.

shortgun:
The Bible says "The fool says in his heart, there's no God"(psalms 14:1)
Until humans are able to explain the unexplainable phenomena and provide logical reasons to the illogical, God exists.

So once we find the explanation your god will cease to exist just like Sango when we found out nobody is in the sky making thunder and lightning?

LordReed:


So once we find the explanation your god will cease to exist just like Sango when we found out nobody is in the sky making thunder and lightning?

Until you tell us why 80 percent of the world oceans remains unexplored in the 21st century, God exists!
Until you tell us the accurate number of planets in our solar system, God exists!
Until you explain the force that keeps a bicycle upright, God exists!
Until you tell us how big the universe is, God exists!
Until you explain why people yawn and why it is catching, God exists!

shortgun:

Until you tell us why 80 percent of the world oceans remains unexplored in the 21st century, God exists!
Until you tell us the accurate number of planets in our solar system, God exists!
Until you explain the force that keeps a bicycle upright, God exists!
Until you tell us how big the universe is, God exists!
Until you explain why people yawn and why it is catching, God exists!

You too much... Bravo!!! And bye the way, that your assignment is too much for a fool to resolve oo...

So if I answer all these questions your god ceases to exist? Very well here goes.

shortgun:

Until you tell us why 80 percent of the world oceans remains unexplored in the 21st century, God exists!

Because the pressure in the ocean requires specialised equipment to overcome we don't have enough of.

Until you tell us the accurate number of planets in our solar system, God exists!

There are 8 planets in our solar system.

Until you explain the force that keeps a bicycle upright, God exists!

In short, a normal bicycle is stable thanks to a combination of the front wheel touching the ground behind a backwards tilt steering axis, the center of mass of the front wheel and handlebars being located in front of the steering axis, and the gyroscopic precession of the front wheel.

Until you tell us how big the universe is, God exists!

At least 93 Billion lightyears across.

Until you explain why people yawn and why it is catching, God exists!

Because we evolved into social and empathetic beings.

Now that those have been answered your god has ceased to exist.

Osashalom:


You too much... Bravo!!! And bye the way, that your assignment is too much for a fool to resolve oo...

LoLz. Maybe a fool who is using the Internet but can't Google answers to simple enough questions.

LordReed:
So if I answer all these questions your god ceases to exist? Very well here goes.




Because the pressure in the ocean requires specialised equipment to overcome we don't have enough of.



There are 8 planets in our solar system.



In short, a normal bicycle is stable thanks to a combination of the front wheel touching the ground behind a backwards tilt steering axis, the center of mass of the front wheel and handlebars being located in front of the steering axis, and the gyroscopic precession of the front wheel.



At least 93 Billion lightyears across.



Because we evolved into social and empathetic beings.

Now that those have been answered your god has ceased to exist.

All your answers are wrong, let's talk about one.
We can not have 8 planets in our solar system when we used to have 9.
Was that what you were taught in school? I was taught that there are 9 planets in our solar system.
How come we used to have 9 planets and one was "removed " in 2006 and we now have 8 ?
You guys now remove and add planets in our solar system?
How many more planet will be removed from our solar system in the future or added?
Think beyond what you are told, Think!
God exists!

shortgun:


All your answers are wrong, let's talk about one.
We can not have 8 planets in our solar system when we used to have 9.
Was that what you were taught in school? I was taught that there are 9 planets in our solar system.
How come we used to have 9 planets and one was "removed " in 2006 and we now have 8 ?
You guys now remove and add planets in our solar system?
How many more planet will be removed from our solar system in the future or added?
Think beyond what you are told, Think!
God exists!

That's the problem here, you refuse to update your knowledge, you think whatever you've been taught is sacrosanct. You are the one unable to think or reason beyond your myopic views.

The reason Pluto is no longer considered a planet is because it doesn't meet the criteria for what a planet is, it is a question of correctly classifying it. It wasn't your god that instituted what counts as a planet, men did and men are admittedly fallible so when they make changes it is well understood, except you are incapable of allowing your brain absorb new information.

So once again by your own criteria your god doesn’t exist.

LordReed:


That's the problem here, you refuse to update your knowledge, you think whatever you've been taught is sacrosanct. You are the one unable to think or reason beyond your myopic views.

The reason Pluto is no longer considered a planet is because it doesn't meet the criteria for what a planet is, it is a question of correctly classifying it. It wasn't your god that instituted what counts as a planet, men did and men are admittedly fallible so when they make changes it is well understood, except you are incapable of allowing your brain absorb new information.

So once again by your own criteria your god doesn’t exist.

If what you call knowledge and hold on to can be "updated" and it's foundations destroyed, it simply tells you that the "knowledge" was/is ignorance, limited and deceitful.
What is the guarantee that what you know today will not turn out to be ignorance tomorrow.
Think my friend, Think!
God exists!

shortgun:

If what you call knowledge and hold on to can be "updated" and it's foundations destroyed, it simply tells you that the "knowledge" was/is ignorance, limited and deceitful.
What is the guarantee that what you know today will not turn out to be ignorance tomorrow.
Think my friend, Think!
God exists!

I have accepted that men are fallible so is their knowledge. You on the other hand wallow in ignorance and call it infallible knowledge. You have shown that you are the horse taken to a stream but refuses to drink.

Your god exists but could not tell you how many planets are in our solar system but you want to contest what men by their ingenuity figured out. Who here is the ignorant one? LoLz.

LordReed:


I have accepted that men are fallible so is their knowledge. You on the other hand wallow in ignorance and call it infallible knowledge. You have shown that you are the horse taken to a stream but refuses to drink.

Your god exists but could not tell you how many planets are in our solar system but you want to contest what men by their ingenuity figured out. Who here is the ignorant one? LoLz.

In your words the knowledge you have is fallible, meaning it can't be trusted, makes me wonder why you choose to hold on to something that can not be trusted, things that have been proven to be misleading, full of errors and inaccuracies.
An ignorant person is someone who knows that he knows nothing and still choose to hold on to it.

Don't you think your believe that God doesn't exist is another fallible knowledge?
Another error in your "knowledge"?
Another of the "knowledge" you have that will be "updated" or "corrected" in the future?
You don't believe God exists, I don't have any problems with that.
Why is it a problem to you that I believe God exists?
Until the knowledge you have is infallible.
God exists!

LordReed:

...Your god exists but could not tell you how many planets are in our solar system but you want to contest what men by their ingenuity figured out. Who here is the ignorant one? LoLz.

Simple good Sense tells us "We do not need it.

If there are 101 planets surrounding our House's Compound commonly called solar system, we can not change it to make our lives better by adding one more planet to make it 102 or removing one more to make it 100.

They shall still have power over us.

The sun is up here in Nigeria and hot even with our air-conditioners, The snow is killing in Pennsylvania even with heaters.

But the important one that can directly make our lives sweeter, easier and gooder, or pain filled and hellish eg don't steal, don't cheat, be fair and just, avoid harming others etc God verily told us.

So, No Road!

shortgun:

In your words the knowledge you have is fallible, meaning it can't be trusted, makes me wonder why you choose to hold on to something that can not be trusted, things that have been proven to be misleading, full of errors and inaccuracies.
An ignorant person is someone who knows that he knows nothing and still choose to hold on to it.

Don't you think your believe that God doesn't exist is another fallible knowledge?
Another error in your "knowledge"?
Another of the "knowledge" you have that will be "updated" or "corrected" in the future?
You don't believe God exists, I don't have any problems with that.
Why is it a problem to you that I believe God exists?
Until the knowledge you have is infallible.
God exists!

You have the power of the internet and you cannot even look up the meaning of fallible. Look it up and then we can discuss, don't discuss from a position of ignorance.

LoLz! See how you changed the goal post from if you can't answer these questions to your knowledge has to be infallible. Shows you know you got upstaged by your own ignorance.

Dtruthspeaker:


Simple good Sense tells us "We do not need it.

If there are 101 planets surrounding our House's Compound commonly called solar system, we can not change it to make our lives better by adding one more planet to make it 102 or removing one more to make it 100.

They shall still have power over us.

The sun is up here in Nigeria and hot even with our air-conditioners, The snow is killing in Pennsylvania even with heaters.

But the important one that can directly make our lives sweeter, easier and gooder, or pain filled and hellish eg don't steal, don't cheat, be fair and just, avoid harming others etc God verily told us.

So, No Road!

Go and tell the person asking the question. LoLz.

LordReed:

Go and tell the person asking the question. LoLz.

It is you who said what I addressed.

Dtruthspeaker:


It is you who said what I addressed.

If it is not important then tell your follow god believer not to ask the question since your god cannot provide the information.

LordReed:


If it is not important then tell your follow god believer not to ask the question since your god cannot provide the information.

Change Of Post! Chai! You don fall so tay you don turn to Change of Post Master General

Meen, you don finish!

Dtruthspeaker:


Change Of Post! Chai! You don fall so tay you don turn to Change of Post Master General

Meen, you don finish!

LoLz. Not here for your childish games. Find the nearest playground.

LordReed:


You have the power of the internet and you cannot even look up the meaning of fallible. Look it up and then we can discuss, don't discuss from a position of ignorance.

LoLz! See how you changed the goal post from if you can't answer these questions to your knowledge has to be infallible. Shows you know you got upstaged by your own ignorance.

I've looked it up.... Fallible: capable of making mistakes or being wrong.
So what's your point

Your answers were wrong and not acceptable.
People who believes in the existence of God never claim to know it all but rather submit themselves to the omnipotent nature of God for guidance and direction, the onus is on you that don't believe in the existence of God to give logical explanation to phenomena in the world, it's a mockery of your believe when you fail in this regard.

Let's keep this discussion civil moving on pls.

shortgun:

I've looked it up.... Fallible: capable of making mistakes or being wrong.
So what's your point

Your answers were wrong and not acceptable.
People who believes in the existence of God never claim to know it all but rather submit themselves to the omnipotent nature of God for guidance and direction, the onus is on you that don't believe in the existence of God to give logical explanation to phenomena in the world, it's a mockery of your believe when you fail in this regard.

Let's keep this discussion civil moving on pls.

The point is trust doesn't mean mistakes can't be made or that because something is able to make mistakes it can't be trusted. The knowledge we possess is always in the process of refinement and we can see it. The device you are using to respond to me did not first get invented in form you now possess and along the way mistakes were made in the process of getting it to this current form, yet you trust it to correctly convey the words you are typing.

You should produce the evidence that shows my answers are wrong.

No, the onus is not one me to logically explain the world because I don't believe in your god, one thing has nothing to do with the other. If your god exists then it exists whether or not I know anything about the world. Rather the onus is on you to show me that your god exists.

You keep it civil because it was you who started with mentioning ignorance. Don't come riding on a high horse when you start becoming uncivil.

LordReed:


The point is trust doesn't mean mistakes can't be made or that because something is able to make mistakes it can't be trusted. The knowledge we possess is always in the process of refinement and we can see it. The device you are using to respond to me did not first get invented in form you now possess and along the way mistakes were made in the process of getting it to this current form, yet you trust it to correctly convey the words you are typing.

You should produce the evidence that shows my answers are wrong.

No, the onus is not one me to logically explain the world because I don't believe in your god, one thing has nothing to do with the other. If your god exists then it exists whether or not I know anything about the world. Rather the onus is on you to show me that your god exists.

You keep it civil because it was you who started with mentioning ignorance. Don't come riding on a high horse when you start becoming uncivil.

1.I don't want to believe you will trust a system that is riddled with mistakes, errors and inaccuracies. For anyone to trust a system, the system must have been proven to be accurate, error proof..e.t.c
Trust has a lot to do with making mistakes or not.
I don't also want to believe you will submit yourself for surgery to a surgeon who is known to be undergoing training or refinement and who has a record of fatal mistakes in the past.

2. Your answers are wrong cos they are based on misconceptions and assumptions.
You can't tell the world there are 9 planets in our solar system, teach it in schools, base researches on 9 planets less than 20 years ago and now turn around to say there are now 8 planets.
What's the guarantee that the planets in our solar system will remain 8 in the next 20 years?....as far as we all know they are misconceptions.
3. I will insist the onus is on you cos people that don't believe in God thinks they know all the answers and have all the explanation and there is no need for a God anywhere.

If you can't explain it all nor have all the answers or explain it with false information like the Mercator projection of the world map that is accepted everywhere which depicts Greenland as bigger than Africa when in reality Africa is 14 times larger than Greenland!.
This creates a vacuum which must be filled, it creates a question that must be answered, it means the explanation is beyond logical explanation as we know it and the only logical answer is:
God exists!

shortgun:

1.I don't want to believe you will trust a system that is riddled with mistakes, errors and inaccuracies. For anyone to trust a system, the system must have been proven to be accurate, error proof..e.t.c
Trust has a lot to do with making mistakes or not.

Trust has nothing to do with the ABILITY to make mistakes or the ability correct errors which you don't seem to be able to grasp or just enjoy being stubborn.

I don't also want to believe you will submit yourself for surgery to a surgeon who is known to be undergoing training or refinement and who has a record of fatal mistakes in the past.

When you have a medical emergency don't allow a fallible doctor treat you, wait for one that is infallible.

2. Your answers are wrong cos they are based on misconceptions and assumptions.

Misconceptions and assumptions you have failed to show.

You can't tell the world there are 9 planets in our solar system, teach it in schools, base researches on 9 planets less than 20 years ago and now turn around to say there are now 8 planets.
What's the guarantee that the planets in our solar system will remain 8 in the next 20 years?....as far as we all know they are misconceptions.

LoLz! You just inexplicably stuck in the past. I have school age children and they don't teach them there are 9 planets. Here is from a kids school work website:

Top 10 facts

2.There are eight planets that orbit around the Sun.

https://www.theschoolrun.com/homework-help/solar-system

For some reason you want to be stuck in the past while everyone else is moving on. That is stubbornness with no benefit.

3. I will insist the onus is on you cos people that don't believe in God thinks they know all the answers and have all the explanation and there is no need for a God anywhere.

Where did I say I have all the explanations? LoLz. You know why you employ this tactic because you know whatever you hold as evidence for your god is easily debunked. You aren't the first to employ such tactics. You deflect from the real issue because your cards are poor.

If you can't explain it all nor have all the answers or explain it with false information like the Mercator projection of the world map that is accepted everywhere which depicts Greenland as bigger than Africa when in reality Africa is 14 times larger than Greenland!.

LoLz. This is the easiest thing to clear up. I am still laughing at how you with all the power of the Internet at your disposal is hung up on such easily dealt with trivialities. Have you ever tried taking a ball with all the air out and tried to flatten it, it is an impossible task because 3d shapes cannot become 2d without distortion. Mapping a 3d spherical earth unto a 2d map must introduce distortion for the same reason and these distortions are accounted for in practical terms like with the use of GPS.

This creates a vacuum which must be filled, it creates a question that must be answered, it means the explanation is beyond logical explanation as we know it and the only logical answer is:
God exists!

LoLz. This called argument from ignorance: I don't know therefore god. Might as well believe that there as many gods humans have ever come up with why be stuck on one. Oh right this one is your favorite concept of a god. SMH.

Osashalom:
If we're wrong, what have we lost when we die? Nothing! If you're wrong, your consequence is far worse. I would rather live my life believing in God and serving Him, and find out I was right, than not believe in Him and not serve Him, and find out I was wrong. Then it's too late.

Aren’t you limiting the options of available Gods? If you’re wrong then you’re just like the people you criticize and your consequence would be far worse. Lord Shiva could sentence you to an eternity of cosmic dancing, Allah could blow you apart with cosmic TNT, Ra could consume your soul in the sublime flame, etc etc. There are other gods out there and maybe one of them is the true creator and won’t take your blasphemy lightly. Maybe the true God is the one that likes the neutral atheists! If you’re wrong your consequence is far worse.

KnownUnknown:

Aren’t you limiting the options of available Gods?

You are just speaking rubbish.

When you choose a wife, you can not have all the other women. Same when you have a job somewhere, you can not work for all the other employers.

And no where is it seen that another employer or woman will punish you for not working or engaging them.

Secondly, The Boss and Ruler is always known by His Acts. Thus, whilst God's Acts stands Confirmed and unchallenged, all the other things you mentioned have been silent since they were manufactured. NO CONFIRMATION OF POWER AND AUTHORITY OVER THE WORLD, NO WORLD WIDE PROPHECY OF THINGS WHICH CAME TO PASS.

So as I said earlier, you are just speaking rubbish.

But Glory to God, that all going on these days without a doubt Prove that He is Coming as Propgecied and all these shits would be settled.

Osashalom:
I want to mention something about the spirituality debate. You don't believe in God? Fine, I'm not one to judge, cause I'm not the judge. Why is it so important for many of you to mock those of us that do? If we're wrong, what have we lost when we die? Nothing! How does our believing in Jesus bring you any harm? You think it makes me stupid? Gullible? Fine. How does that affect you? If you're wrong, your consequence is far worse. I would rather live my life believing in God and serving Him, and find out I was right, than not believe in Him and not serve Him, and find out I was wrong. Then it's too late. There's no shame in my game! I believe in Jesus Christ. He said deny me in front of your friends & I will deny you in front of my Father (Matthew 10:33-35). HE'S COMING BACK...Greatest man in history, had no servants, yet they called him Master. Had no degree, yet they called him Teacher. Had no medicines, yet they called him Healer. He had no army, yet kings feared Him. He won no military battles, yet He conquered the world. He committed no crime, yet they crucified Him. He was buried in a tomb, yet He lives today. His name is Jesus. 
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many years ago, Christians used to make unbelievers feel foolish, people have to lie just to be accepted a Christians. Today the table has turned. Questions are being asked and doubts have been raised. Christians are now the ones feeling foolish. they are now saying, leave me in my foolishness, how does that concern u?

Even you know the believe in Jesus is the highest form of foolishness; a dead jew that you claim was God the came to isreal, not africa or china or europe, is that one a God? wanted to speak to five thousand people and didnt think of inventing micro phone... he didnt even invent radio to reach africa or other parts of the world... but these things were possible and he could have acheived more in that once in a life time mission...

well, u said i should leave u in ur foolishness, enjoy!

shortgun:

If what you call knowledge and hold on to can be "updated" and it's foundations destroyed, it simply tells you that the "knowledge" was/is ignorance, limited and deceitful.
What is the guarantee that what you know today will not turn out to be ignorance tomorrow.
Think my friend, Think!
God exists!

So what accurate knowledge has your God provided about the universe that we can all rely on?

frank317:


So what accurate knowledge has your God provided about the universe that we can all rely on?

As I told your brother, like the universe around your house, sun, flood, rain, moon etc they will do, what they will do and you can not stop them therefore, we don't need it.

God has told us the relevant knowledge we require.

The knowledge that would have made us either eat fat, in happiness and with roofs over our heads and peace or that which turns you to a begger to be killed by hunger, suffering and lack and pain.

KnownUnknown:


Aren’t you limiting the options of available Gods? If you’re wrong then you’re just like the people you criticize and your consequence would be far worse. Lord Shiva could sentence you to an eternity of cosmic dancing, Allah could blow you apart with cosmic TNT, Ra could consume your soul in the sublime flame, etc etc. There are other gods out there and maybe one of them is the true creator and won’t take your blasphemy lightly. Maybe the true God is the one that likes the neutral atheists! If you’re wrong you’re consequence is far worse.

One would have thought foolishness is the extreme of stupidity. You have proven otherwise.

Osashalom:

One would have thought foolishness is the extreme of stupidity. You have proven otherwise.

Regardless of my folly, aren’t you limiting your options and also in danger of consequences far worse than unbelief in Yahweh? Eledumare might just extinguish your soul if you’re wrong.

KnownUnknown:


Regardless of my folly, aren’t you limiting your options and also in danger of consequences far worse than unbelief in Yahweh? Eledumare might just extinguish your soul if you’re wrong.

Even your Monika is screaming confusion and confused. Come out of your darkness, embrace Jesus the light.