Mujtahida:

See any seasoned football lover might have this experience: when I first started watching football, I quickly realized that club football is different from national team football. I don't know how to express it but I'd say that the impression I have is that club football is easy compared to national team football.

So you'd see a player going blazes in his club and struggle in the national team. Of course good players maintain their form across both categories of the game but when you see Osimhen or Denis perform for their clubs, you will praise them. It's not hype.

If you watch Icon4s and Kog45, they are usually measured in their assessments of players because experience has tampered their expectations but most of the youngins here, una blood still dey hot.

It's easier to build a cohesive team in a clubside than a National team. In a club side, you can sign the players you want and build a team that maximises each player. In a National team, your domain of options is limited.

In a clubside, you train week in week out, so every player knows his teammate well, his abilities and his weaknesses. Every teammate knows they're positioned and how to get a great pass to each other. Almost every goal comes from a successful setup or pass. In the National team, players train between months. Not enough time to gel and master each other.

Lastly, the best coaches are at the clubsides. Because you know, we all follow the money.

To succeed as a National team, you must watch your players very well so that you can derive a playing pattern that suits everyone. If the players are then playing, they wouldn't need to adjust so much to play with each other.

I remember saying it here that Eguavoen was setting himself up for failure when he made statements that indicated he wasn't watching his players enough.

andrewbaba44:


Such case is still rare Most times

Anything can happen in football ,and take not all the teams there is better than Ghana

Not that rare, even 3 points can get u thru sometimes.

Chile once qualified with 3 points.

Italy and Nigeria nor qualify


nothing to watch then



my see if new Zealand go qualify

caprikon:


I know he won't come cheap. A consurtium of business men usually pay the Pharoahs Coach..that arrangement had been there for a while..can't say if that is still the case. If we want a moderate budget , ..we can't get a first grade coach. There is still a lot of room for private sector investment in our sports generally but we need the right organization and transparency to make it work.

True his style is boring but I must admit we need some humility now. We have decent players (don't like using the word "average" but then we would have to accept the need to sacrifice beauty for efficiency. Even the mighty Brazil isn't as exciting to watch as they were during their golden era.

What is all this talk about humility? Is it defeat their bends you peoples' minds abi na wetin?

Between Nigeria and Ghana, I can tell you that Ghana were so full of braggings. Nigerians largely kept quiet hoping the results would favor them and then they'd have unleashed venom on the Ghanaians but alas it was not to be.

So humility, how?
Someone said we did not respect our opponents. Mumu baseless talk.

Right from Afcon where I watched all Eguavoen's pre and post match pressers, one word he turned into an anthem was respect. He kept on and on about how we must respect our opponents down to when we faced Sudan and Guinea Bissau.

Now go watch Amuneke interview by NFF TV, he was realistic and measured in his statements.

So why is it been that so many of you come here and stress on the need for us to be humble as if it was because we lacked humility that we lost?

andrewbaba44:


Such case is still rare Most times

Anything can happen in football ,and take not all the teams there is better than Ghana

Nigeria qualified with 4 points too under keshi the last time

andrewbaba44:


4 points no guarantee,Na 50/50

Na 4 points send Senegal go house the last time with yellow card rules

Yellow card or coin toss?

caprikon:


The bolded was referencing the mood before the return leg.

I watched the pre-match press conference before the match in Abuja.

Eguavoen was with Simon Moses. You could see the arrogance in the response from them, especially Simon Moses....in contrast, Otto Addo mentioned the probable effect of the away goal and reiterated that Nigeria wasn't levels above Ghana as insinuated by many.

The draw in Kumasi dampened the expectations of the Ghanaians before the return leg in Abuja.

I was on Twitter and more Ghanaians than Nigerians hosted Twitter spaces and were quite boastful.
Eguavoen never fails to stress the need to be respectful of the opposition. It even appears to be his trademark.

Ghana with a weak team, boasted and qualified. So abeg it's not by boastings or by being humble. When you win, you win. When you lose, you lose. There are far more concrete reasons why we lost than this wishy - washy postulations on humility and pride.

Awo and Ehizibue both in action, Ehi had just been sub out

Do you guys know that Uzoho had only played a World Cup qualifying match once for Nigeria, prior to this playoffs?

Our entire group stage, Maduka played most of it. Uzoho only had one game.

Funny fact, because we were talking about World Cup experience here, but the African experience is not quite the same as the World stage.

Anyway, I hope NFF will be contacting Ikeme to replace Alloy Agu....assuming he has gotten some form of certification. You check Google, and that news about NFF offering him a job is just everywhere.

I do hope they meant it....and I hope they find a way to afford him, because I know those people are only looking for who will aid their theft.

safarigirl:
Do you guys know that Uzoho had only played a World Cup qualifying match once for Nigeria, prior to this playoffs?

Our entire group stage, Maduka played most of it. Uzoho only had one game.

Funny fact, because we were talking about World Cup experience here, but the African experience is not quite the same as the World stage.

Anyway, I hope NFF will be contacting Ikeme to replace Alloy Agu....assuming he has gotten some form of certification. You check Google, and that news about NFF offering him a job is just everywhere.

I do hope they meant it....and I hope they find a way to afford him, because I know those people are only looking for who will aid their theft.

what coach would you recommend,

and as per TD, I don't wanna see Austin and those yeye ex internationals there again, time for a capable hand to head that department

Awoniyi scores

12th bundesliga goal of the season

JohnBullMySon:
Let's face it. If Nigerians are the ones to complain about poor players then we have an extremely poor coaching setup. If we are waiting for Messi or Ronaldo to be in our squad before we can beat teams like Ghana and Tunisia, then something must be really wrong with us.

For the last ten games Nigeria has played. I hardly saw a team with a better squad. I hardly saw a game we came in as underdogs. Even the commentators say it all the time that Nigeria's squad is magnificent on paper compared with the opponent. So why are you asking for better players again?

We play poorly as a team. One of the issues I noticed in the Ghana double header was how we found it difficult to locate each other. That's why our players perform well at club level but are below par in the NT. Eiither we throw a through pass and it misses or we wait a long time before releasing the ball. These are indications that we're not organized.

Credit to Ghana, but they were piss poor in the qualifiers. We were the ones who just handed the WC ticket to them. Otto addo's job was simply to organize the defense and wait for a lucky goal, because our build up is very poor, our teamwork is bad.

So if you're waiting for a world class eleven just to beat Ghana or Cameroun or Tunisia. That will not come in long time. But we can reclaim our place in Africa by simply organizing our team.

The analysis some of us give is quite pedestrian to be honest. Ghana has qualified. Is Ghana better than Nigeria? Is Tunisia better than Nigeria?

Let them continue waiting for Ronaldo and Messi to be in our team before they rest hope on good performance from the SE

One person said we are not what we used to be. Tahhhhh!!!

We have always been average. In 5 world cup appearances we have not gone beyond 2nd round. All the stars of the 94 team, were average. Many of them were Bench warmers at their clubs.

So abeg, let's be factual and realistic in our analysis. Next to the pain of defeat, is the pain of wack, sloppy analysis.

I condemned the sacking of Rohr.
I condemned Eguaveon's archaic style of play, his formation and selection.
I warned forumites here about the dangers of Simon Moses and Chukwueze's showboating.
I predicted the worst AFCON outing in recent past in November last year because of our reliance on an Amateur goal keeper in the person of Maduka Okoye. We surrendered our 4 goal lead against Sierra Leone because his inexperience.
I saw doom coming and I was complaining bitterly on Nairaland sports section. Nelsx,Tgflashogee,andrewbaba,chriskels and others were attacking me with unprintable words just because they were not seeing what I was seeing.

zuchyblink:
I condemned the sacking of Rohr.
I condemned Eguaveon's archaic style of play, his formation and selection.
I warned forumites here about the dangers of Simon Moses and Chukwueze's showboating.
I predicted the worst AFCON outing in recent past in November last year because of our reliance on an Amateur goal keeper in the person of Maduka Okoye. We surrendered our 4 goal lead against Sierra Leone because his inexperience.
I saw doom coming and I was complaining bitterly on Nairaland sports section. Nelsx,Tgflashogee,andrewbaba,chriskels and others were attacking me with unprintable words just because they were not seeing what I was seeing.

I think I attacked you for those your local players and so on sha and calling some of our players broilers

Mujtahida:

As if Senegal does not have a good number of fb players in their team.

It is sterile to see this defeat through the lens of ifs. E don happen, e don happen. Nigerians clamored for a midfield of Onyeka, Etebo and Aribo. AE played them.
We clamored for Lookman and Denis, both of them played.

We bewailed the absence of Osimhen during Afcon. Oya naw, Osimhen played in both legs of the WCQ
Still we didn't qualify.

So I will not give in to such postulations like if Rohr was in charge, if Okoye had kept, if we played home based, if if if.

E don happen. Move on!

Gbamsolutely!

andrewbaba44:
Awoniyi scores

12th bundesliga goal of the season

you get mind dey post this one?


oooops goal ruled out for infringement on build up to goal damn

do4luv14:



you get mind dey post this one?

Wetin him do ?

He didn’t cost us the World Cup the last time I checked

andrewbaba44:

Wetin him do ?
He didn’t cost us the World Cup the last time I checked

nah me come cost una the world up
them cancel Awolabi goal sha

do4luv14:



nah me come cost una the world up

them cancel Awolabi goal sha

Says who?

The worst keeper in 9ja history

Nomyth:

Says who?

lolzzzx April Fool,
happy new month bro

andrewbaba44:


As usual always wishing naija born players bad

Even if the news is not true ,there is nothing bad in hoping

You may find this hard to believe but I actually know Awoniyi.

Clubs having interest or looking at a player is not a bid , clubs will look at hundreds of players. But will actually only put in a bid for very few.

It's in that context ,l have said I have my doubts.

That's an informed objective deduction not HATE as you put it.

JohnBullMySon:
I think our best option will be to get a decent Championship level manager whose contract will permit to double as our National team technical advisor. then maybe Amuneke can remain as chief coach.

The female team have a technical adviser who coaches a club in the US as well and it's pretty much working for them.

The approach saves cost and gives some level of quality too. He can also track our players in Europe better.

Abeg throwaway this Amuneke/Osinbajo talk jare

That's the parallel and I no wan hearam. Na two of them. Infact in future, we fit hear story say na him gangan do this or that.

Amedino99:

For a bid to have been submitted, they must have evaluated him and deemed him good enough for their standard. Try to be positive, you no go die if you talk say him go make am for England.

No bid has been submitted.

Clubs look at hundreds of players but will only put in an official bid for just a handful sometimes it's just 2 or 3.

Using emotive sentiment based preference is not intelligence.

JohnBullMySon:
It's easier to build a cohesive team in a clubside than a National team. In a club side, you can sign the players you want and build a team that maximises each player. In a National team, your domain of options is limited.

In a clubside, you train week in week out, so every player knows his teammate well, his abilities and his weaknesses. Every teammate knows they're positioned and how to get a great pass to each other. Almost every goal comes from a successful setup or pass. In the National team, players train between months. Not enough time to gel and master each other.

Lastly, the best coaches are at the clubsides. Because you know, we all follow the money.

To succeed as a National team, you must watch your players very well so that you can derive a playing pattern that suits everyone. If the players are then playing, they wouldn't need to adjust so much to play with each other.

I remember saying it here that Eguavoen was setting himself up for failure when he made statements that indicated he wasn't watching his players enough.

TheGoodjoe has said something about this too. I add the team's philosophy too. Like what Spain, Brazil and Germany have. They play it at clubside and so coming to the NT makes it easier for blending in. Even New players, safe a minute few blend in. If I ask what philosophy is premium in Npfl now, we go laugh together. Our Legend winger dey complain for Enyimba months back.

andrewbaba44:
Awoniyi scores

12th bundesliga goal of the season

And they dropped this one from the qualifiers.

Mujtahida:

I was on Twitter and more Ghanaians than Nigerians hosted Twitter spaces and were quite boastful.
Eguavoen never fails to stress the need to be respectful of the opposition. It even appears to be his trademark.

Ghana with a weak team, boasted and qualified. So abeg it's not by boastings or by being humble. When you win, you win. When you lose, you lose. There are far more concrete reasons why we lost than this wishy - washy postulations on humility and pride.

Thank you o.


One good example is in boxing. The boasting or not is no big decider.

Sam Peter:I'll cut down this tree(to Klitschko)

We know who fell like flower


Tyson Fury: by the time I'm done with ya, you won't know what hit ya

He won



Nigeria has always used that stale line of respecting opponents Asif it's a thing in football. I just see it as Insurance for failure which has been with the team due to complacency.

JohnBullMySon:
Let's face it. If Nigerians are the ones to complain about poor players then we have an extremely poor coaching setup. If we are waiting for Messi or Ronaldo to be in our squad before we can beat teams like Ghana and Tunisia, then something must be really wrong with us.

For the last ten games Nigeria has played. I hardly saw a team with a better squad. I hardly saw a game we came in as underdogs. Even the commentators say it all the time that Nigeria's squad is magnificent on paper compared with the opponent. So why are you asking for better players again?

We play poorly as a team. One of the issues I noticed in the Ghana double header was how we found it difficult to locate each other. That's why our players perform well at club level but are below par in the NT. Eiither we throw a through pass and it misses or we wait a long time before releasing the ball. These are indications that we're not organized.

Credit to Ghana, but they were piss poor in the qualifiers. We were the ones who just handed the WC ticket to them. Otto addo's job was simply to organize the defense and wait for a lucky goal, because our build up is very poor, our teamwork is bad.

So if you're waiting for a world class eleven just to beat Ghana or Cameroun or Tunisia. That will not come in long time. But we can reclaim our place in Africa by simply organizing our team.

well said, I’ve seen a lot of people criticize the players when it was clear our problem was more about coaching.

daveP:
Abeg throwaway this Amuneke/Osinbajo talk jare

That's the parallel and I no wan hearam. Na two of them. Infact in future, we fit hear story say na him gangan do this or that.

I did not say Amuneke would be the coach oh. I said assistant.

And besides, It's not as if I rate Amuneke. I just didn't know who else to write. The side gig coach was my main point in the contribution.

andrewbaba44:


It seems you don’t know Uruguay ,you rate Ghana ahead of them

Ghana stand a very good chance, Uruguay is good but not unbeatable same as Portugal

I complained about the setpieces thing before COVID-19 started. Lol and behold, Arsenal got a setpieces expert and have transformed the team in that aspect alone.

We can't even pretend like these things are magic or impossible to implement when the North African teams have such specialists and it's obvious in their games.


I guess someone just doesn't see the need to spend money despite the big cash coming in sometimes.

JohnBullMySon:
I did not say Amuneke would be the coach oh. I said assistant.

And besides, It's not as if I rate Amuneke. I just didn't know who else to write. The side gig coach was my main point in the contribution.

Sha throway am with the bath and water. We wan begin do that salisu thing with him and yobo?

None of them look like they made any positive progress for themselves or the team. Just wearing green and white joggers acting busy.