Steep:

Divorce always involve the issuance of bill of divorcement.
Any other separation is not actually divorce.

Mark 10:4 And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.

1. Did Jesus say that there should be separation, when issue like this arise? 2. What was Jesus reply to them?

Truvelisback:
No, God only cursed(punished) them for sinning. Marriage wasn't cursed.

Marriage wasn't cursed yet the curse in Genesis 3 vs 16a was specifically set for those in marriage and we know that God defines marriage as simply a man and woman coming together as one?

Steep:
The curse on marriage is not one of submission but on the type of leadership a woman would go endure.
Adam was always the leader, it was made that way but when sin came that headship became a curse to the woman. In Christ that curse is removed but the headship remains.

It is written nowhere in that context that Adam was a leader, so let's try to separate our delusions from the facts as written.

The curse was specific in its specification of submission only where marriage applies. So I am not certain what why the attempts at twisting what is clearly written.

Kobojunkie:
Marriage wasn't curse yet the curse in Genesis 3 vs 16a was specifically set for those in marriage?

Their marriage(Union) wasn't cursed. God cursed them( the Curse was punishment). I.e suffering and pain they would experience in life. Infact, Adam even love his wife the more after the curse.

Truvelisback:
Their marriage(Union) wasn't cursed. God cursed them( the Curse was punishment). I.e suffering and pain they would experience in life. Infact, Adam even love his wife the more after the curse.

What I see here is a desperately attempt at wiggle around that which is in front of you.

A marriage is a man and woman agreeing to be man and wife. God's curse in Genesis 3 vs 16 only applies when the women is a wife to a husband, meaning so long as she is not a wife with a husband, she is not under that curse. What does that tell you of the curse - thiszis a simple mental aptitude test by the way? .

Steep:
The curse on marriage is not one of submission but on the type of leadership a woman would go endure.
Adam was always the leader, it was made that way but when sin came that headship became a curse to the woman. In Christ that curse is removed but the headship remains.

Kobojunkie and Steep, marriage was cursed. Now looking at Genesis 3:16 It says to the woman: Your desire shall be unto thy husband and he shall rule over u.

Truvelisback:

There things we apply wisdom and discretion so far it does not contravention God's word.

1. Did Jesus say that there should be separation, when issue like this arise? 2. What was Jesus reply to them?

what is against the law ? Divorce, unjustifiable divorce.
Even if a woman separate without the bill divorce she is married.

1 Corinthians 7:39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.

If she didn't divorce her husband she is hasn't broken the marital vow.

Again unbelievers can decide to leave permanent in that case the other spouse is free.
Jesus did not also address this but it was addressed by Paul the apostle.

Truvelisback:
TenQ and Steep, what do u have to say? The marriage vow says: For better, for worse. Jesus said: Thou shall not divorce except it has to do with Adultery. Anyone who marries outside this condition has committed Adultery.

In a spiritual sense, divorce is impossible because ONLY God can divorce a couple.

Now in the case of domestic violence, I advocate a separation UNTIL situation is under control.

Separation (not divorce) in the sense that both parties do NOT re-marry (as this constitute adultery).

I strongly advocate that before a child of God say "I do!" such must have done his/her foundational work well
1. Is the person a child of God?
2. Does the person Love, Fear and Obey God?
3. Does the person love Me and understand what Love is?
4. IS the person Responsible and Respectable by ALL?
5. Is the person on the path of knowing God and His words More?
6. Is the person a disciple of Christ?
7. Is the person Mature Emotionally, Physically, Financially, Educationally, Mentally etc

The final point is the most important:
8. Has God given me approval to marry this person?


When the foundation is wrong, every other thing built on it would be wrong.
Marriage is a permanent union
Marriage is done with a vow of commitment to God and each other

Steep:

what is against the law ? Divorce, unjustifiable divorce.
Even if a woman separate without the bill divorce she is married.

1 Corinthians 7:39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.

If she didn't divorce her husband she is hasn't broken the marital vow.

Again unbelievers can decide to leave permanent in that case the other spouse is free.
Jesus did not also address this bit it was addressed by Paul the apostle.

What if the man marries another wife, must she remain unmarried?

Truvelisback:
What if the man marries another wife, must she remain unmarried?

Yes as long as the man didn't divorce her.

Truvelisback:
What if the man marries another wife, must she remain unmarried?

God is not against polygamy nor polyandry!

Steep:

Yes as long as the man didn't divorce her.

Isn't that a punishment on her?

Truvelisback:
Isn't that a punishment on her?

Punishment by whom?

Truvelisback:
Isn't that a punishment on her?

she should channel her concerns to God but if she married an unbeliever even after the warning in the scriptures she should bear it perhaps
God will look on her affliction and deliver her but it is not easy, this is one of the reason a Christian should not marry an unbeliever.

Kobojunkie:
Punishment by whom?

On herself.

Steep:
she should channel her concerns to God but if she married an unbeliever even after the warning in the scriptures she should bear it otherwise I believe God would intervene for her.

However, there is no place in the Bible that says one should separate from one in a situation like this.

Truvelisback:
However, there is no place in the Bible that says one should separate from one in a situation like this.

As far as it is not divorce, it does not break the marriage vow.

Truvelisback:
However, there is no place in the Bible that says one should separate from one in a situation like this.

Neither is there any place in the Bible where it is stipulated by God that a husband and wife must live under the same roof, share meals at the same table or even sleep on the same bed. So what is your point?

Truvelisback:
On herself.

I don't understand!

Steep:
As far as it is not divorce, it does not break the marriage vow.

But it's not scriptural. The Bible says: Therefore, a man shall leave his mother and father and cling to his wife vice versa. Kobojunkie, not wives.

Kobojunkie:
Neither is there any place in the Bible where it is stipulated by God that a husband and wife must live under the same roof, share meals at the same table or even sleep on the same bed. So what is your point?

They are now one, no longer two. So, they can share whatever they like and sleep on the same bed if they chose to.

Truvelisback:
But it's not scriptural. The Bible says: Therefore, a man shall leave his mother and father and cling to his wife vice versa. Kobojunkie, not wives.

That scripture instead speaks of the definition of a marriage/a unit.

In a polygamous situation for example, each marriage unit composed of the man and one woman bound by the very same marriage law as described in Genesis 2 vs 24. . The same law justifies polygyny of old and recent times.

Truvelisback:
They are now one, no longer two. So, they can share whatever they like and sleep on the same bed if they chose to.

Sure, or they can choose to sleep on different beds, wear different clothes, live in different homes even.... God never gave stipulations on how those married should live, eat or sleep or drink... man did all that.

Truvelisback:
But it's not scriptural. The Bible says: Therefore, a man shall leave his mother and father and cling to his wife vice versa. Kobojunkie, not wives.

when one of he partner does not want to be united, it can't be forced.

Kobojunkie:
Sure, or they can choose to sleep on different beds, wear different clothes, live in different homes even.... God never gave stipulations on how those married should live, eat or sleep or drink... man did all that.

God won't tell u everything. He has given u Six sense to reason.

Truvelisback:
God won't tell u everything. He has given u Six sense to reason.

Neither are you allowed to add your assumptions into God's mouth.

Again, God made marriage as basic as possible. He defined it for us as an agreement between a man and a woman. He didn't say anything about living in the same house or sleeping in the same bed or wearing the same cloths or eating the same foods - we came up with most all of that on our own.