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Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Maynman: 9:29am On Apr 18, 2022
MaxInDHouse:

Thanks for following Sir!
Now let's attend to the underlined question:

Isaiah prophesied that the Messiah will be accused and executed like a common criminal {Isaiah 53:12} this actually happened to Jesus of Nazareth!
Moses was the first prophet ever known from the time Israelites became a nation, we can also borrow a leaf from his prophecy regarding the Messiah. In his prophecy Moses emphasized that the people must LISTEN to the Messiah because all those who failed to do so will loose God's favour {Deuteronomy 18:19} then he continued by telling them how to recognize a false prophet perhaps they may be confused regarding the appearance of the Messiah:

However, you may say in your heart: “How will we know that Jehovah has not spoken the word?” When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word is not fulfilled or does not come true, then Jehovah did not speak that word. The prophet spoke it presumptuously. You should not fear him! Deuteronomy 18:21-22

Jesus prophesied a lot but noteworthy is the prophecy regarding God's promise of the Holy Spirit which will eventually occur immediately after the Messiah has offered the ultimate sacrifice! Joel 2:28-30
Even Jesus' disciples were still sceptical about him not until the day of pentecost when this prophecy came to fulfilment {Act 2:1-3} until that day Peter and the rest were still confused whether Jesus is the Messiah or not but after that day they were fully prepared to lay down their lives for the course because Jesus actually promised them that he will SEND the Holy Spirit when he gets back to heaven! John 14:25-29; 16:12-14
This is why those few seemingly gullible Jews were prepared to die for Jesus because they had the assurance apart from all what Jesus did in their presence that he is truly the Messiah or Christ!

That is possible but the prophecies fulfilled in the life of this man are viable reasons to believe in him. For instance David prophesied that the Israelites will treat the Messiah badly {Psalms 22:18; John 19:24}

From the onset Satan has been causing a lot of confusion so he is the brain behind the ill-treatment Israelites gave the promised Messiah. So while God was making plans to save mankind Satan and his demons were also working sleeplessly to make sure that nobody remains a worshiper of God by the time God decided to destroy Satan and his cohorts.

May you have PEACE! smiley

Messiah is a Hebrew word, what does it mean in Hebrew?
NO WHERE in the Old or new Testament did they mention “Jehovah” it was a name coined by your master, William Tyndale. That’s why you call yourself Jehovah witness, not Elohim or Yahweh witness, these are the names that was mentioned in the new and Old Testament.

You are a worshipper of William Tyndale(Jehovah) no wonder they do describe Jehovah as a old white man with white beards, they know exactly who they are talking about.

Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Nobody: 9:37am On Apr 18, 2022
Penguin2:
Yea! That’s the question… what if Jesus of Nazareth, whom we are celebrating his death and resurrection today, was not the Christ?

This question is prompted by the fact that the Jews, whom Christ was originally promised, has maintained till this day, that the Christ promised them is yet to come.


John 1:11 (Amplified) He came to that which was His own [that which belonged to Him—His world, His creation, His possession], and those who were His own [people—the Jewish nation] did not receive and welcome Him.

His followers were Jewish men. If He wasn't the Christ, they wouldn't have followed Him.
Paul, a Pharisee, wouldn't have written the things he did about Jesus.
Thomas a practicing Jew wouldn't have said, “My Lord and my God!”

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Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:53am On Apr 18, 2022
Maynman:

Messiah is a Hebrew word, what does it mean in Hebrew?
NO WHERE in the Old or new Testament did they mention “Jehovah” it was a name coined by your master, William Tyndale. That’s why you call yourself Jehovah witness, not Elohim or Yahweh witness, these are the names that was mentioned in the new and Old Testament.

You are a worshipper of William Tyndale(Jehovah) no wonder they do describe Jehovah as a old white man with white beards, they know exactly who they are talking about.

Though this is not related to the topic of discussion but for the benefit of other followers of this thread i will respond to your childish argument only this once! wink

There was no alphabet "J" in the Hebrew language and moreover the name of the God of Abraham known as the "Divine name" wasn't written with vowels (a e i o u) it's rendered in four consonants YHWH.
And after Jesus' death the Jews exterminated all the pioneers of Christianity the Jews had a custom based on superstition not to pronounce the Divine name. That was how the original pronunciation of the divine name was lost. So there arose speculations and arguments on the right vowels added back in Jesus' days to pronounce the Divine name.
That's why some Jewish Rabbis concluded on the pronunciation "YAHWEH" for over a thousand years until Bible scholars raised the objection that those Jewish Rabbis are wrong!
WHY?
First of all there was no "J" in the ancient Hebrew language so names like Jacob, Judah, Job, Jeroboam, Jonathan, Jeremiah including Jerusalemu shouldn't be in use if we are to go by the arguments of those Jewish Rabbis in Judaism.
Then the argument was raised again that since the alphabet "J" isn't in their ancestral language how come this people accepted the "J" today using it to pronounce the most important city where their temple is built "Jerusalem" "Jews" and the funniest part is that they're proudly called "Judaists"
So most Bible scholars agreed that this Judaists have lost it we need to find a way of pronouncing the Divine name that will correlate with other Biblical name like Jacob, Judah, Job, Jeroboam, Jonathan, Jeremiah and Jerusalem. That's why they came up with the four consonants "JHVH" and after adding vowels to it the name JEHOVAH became a replacement for YAHWEH.
So if you prefer the old style then don't forget never to pronounce names like Jacob, Judah Job, Jeroboam, Jonathan, Jeremiah, John, Jerusalemu, Jews and even Judaism.

Thanks for your time! wink
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Maynman: 9:56am On Apr 18, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


Though this is not related to the topic of discussion but for the benefit of other followers of this thread i will respond to your childish argument only this once! wink

There was no alphabet "J" in the Hebrew language and moreover the name of the God of Abraham known as the "Divine name" wasn't written with vowels (a e i o u) it's rendered in four consonants YHWH.
And after Jesus' death the Jews exterminated all the pioneers of Christianity the Jews had a custom based on superstition not to pronounce the Divine name. That was how the original pronunciation of the divine name was lost. So there arose speculations and arguments on the right vowels added back in Jesus' days to pronounce the Divine name.
That's why some Jewish Rabbis concluded on the pronunciation "YAHWEH" for over a thousand years until Bible scholars raised the arguments that those Jewish Rabbis are wrong!
WHY?
First of all there was no "J" in the ancient Hebrew language so names like Jacob, Judah, Job, Jeroboam, Jonathan, Jeremiah including Jerusalemu shouldn't be in use if we are to go by the arguments of those Jewish Rabbis in Judaism.
Then the argument was raised again that since the alphabet "J" isn't in their ancestral language how come this people accepted the "J" today using it to pronounce the most important city where their temple is built "Jerusalem" "Jews" and the funniest part is that they're proudly called "Judaists"
So most Bible scholars agreed that this Judaists have lost it we need to find a way of pronouncing the Divine name that will correlate with other Biblical name like[b][/b] Jacob, Judah, Job, Jeroboam, Jonathan, Jeremiah and Jerusalem.[b][/b] That's why they came up with the four consonants "JHVH" and after adding vowels to it the name JEHOVAH became a replacement for YAHWEH.
So if you prefer the old style then don't forget never to pronounce names like Jacob, Judah Job, Jeroboam, Jonathan, Jeremiah, John, Jerusalemu, Jews and even Judaism.

Thanks for your time! wink

Why did you change YHWH into JHVH? You yourself said said there is no “j” in Hebrew.. where did you keep the “Y”?
The Bible specifically said “YHWH” It was your master, William Tyndale that changed it to “Jehovah”.
Do you think “joshua” is called “joshua” in Hebrew or Jerusalem?
Joshua is a English translation so as the rest of the name you mentioned.

You can now see that William tyndale didn’t only change Yahweh, he also changed the name of all these people.

You can now see that you are worshipping William Tyndale.

Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Maynman: 10:11am On Apr 18, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


Though this is not related to the topic of discussion but for the benefit of other followers of this thread i will respond to your childish argument only this once! wink

There was no alphabet "J" in the Hebrew language and moreover the name of the God of Abraham known as the "Divine name" wasn't written with vowels (a e i o u) it's rendered in four consonants YHWH.
And after Jesus' death the Jews exterminated all the pioneers of Christianity the Jews had a custom based on superstition not to pronounce the Divine name. That was how the original pronunciation of the divine name was lost. So there arose speculations and arguments on the right vowels added back in Jesus' days to pronounce the Divine name.
That's why some Jewish Rabbis concluded on the pronunciation "YAHWEH" for over a thousand years until Bible scholars raised the objection that those Jewish Rabbis are wrong!
WHY?
First of all there was no "J" in the ancient Hebrew language so names like Jacob, Judah, Job, Jeroboam, Jonathan, Jeremiah including Jerusalemu shouldn't be in use if we are to go by the arguments of those Jewish Rabbis in Judaism.
Then the argument was raised again that since the alphabet "J" isn't in their ancestral language how come this people accepted the "J" today using it to pronounce the most important city where their temple is built "Jerusalem" "Jews" and the funniest part is that they're proudly called "Judaists"
So most Bible scholars agreed that this Judaists have lost it we need to find a way of pronouncing the Divine name that will correlate with other Biblical name like Jacob, Judah, Job, Jeroboam, Jonathan, Jeremiah and Jerusalem. [/b]That's why they came up with the four consonants "JHVH" and after adding vowels to it the name JEHOVAH became a replacement for YAHWEH.[b]
So if you prefer the old style then don't forget never to pronounce names like Jacob, Judah Job, Jeroboam, Jonathan, Jeremiah, John, Jerusalemu, Jews and even Judaism.

Thanks for your time! wink

Who came up with it? William Tyndale from the king James VERSION?
As it was written in the Bible he translated, did they write Jehovah or jhvh?

Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:12am On Apr 18, 2022
Maynman:

Why did you change YHWH into JHVH? You yourself said said there is no “j” in Hebrew..
The God whom we are worshiping kept warning the Israelites back then until He finally rejected them. So we are free to disengage them and their style of pronouncing the name of OUR God, we prefer JEHOVAH to YAHWEH and here comes the result.
The true God is now ANSWERING us as all the promises He made to His loyal worshipers are fulfilling in our midst.
Please ask those Judaists to call upon the name of their God the best way they know and let's see if His promises will be fulfilled in their midst!
This is what JEHOVAH promised:

In the last days the mountain of the LORD’s temple will be established as the highest of the mountains; it will be exalted above the hills, and all nations will stream to it.
Many peoples will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths." The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore! Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to Micah 4:1-3


Another prophecy even added saying:

"Then I will purify the lips of the peoples, that all of them may call on the name of the LORD and serve him shoulder to shoulder" Zephaniah 3:9

Only among JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are these having fulfilment Sir!
The Jews are even divided against themselves as there are dozens of sect with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines in the name "YAHWEH" they prefer but as for JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES millions across the globe are unitedly worshiping JEHOVAH as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers!

So if you want to know the truth today is that day for you. TRUTH is in action throughout the earth WORKING out BENEFITS while the Jews are confused among themselves because Jesus of Nazareth said:

"Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters". Luke 11:23

I told you we don't just READ and concluded we KNOW but we ascertain the outcome to be sure of what we READ so that we can TRUST (BELIEVE) it! 1Thessalonians 5:21; James 2:18-26

Thanks for your time! smiley
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Maynman: 10:14am On Apr 18, 2022
MaxInDHouse:

The God whom we are worshiping kept warning the Israelites back then until He finally rejected them. So we are free to disengage them and their style of pronouncing the name of OUR God, we prefer JEHOVAH to YAHWEH and here comes the result.
The true God is now ANSWERING us as all the promises He made to His loyal worshipers are fulfilling in our midst.
Please ask those Judaists to call upon the name of their God the best way they know and let's see if His promises will be fulfilled in their midst!
This is what JEHOVAH promised:

In the last days the mountain of the LORD’s temple will be established as the highest of the mountains; it will be exalted above the hills, and all nations will stream to it.
Many peoples will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths." The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore! Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to Micah 4:1-3


Another prophecy even added saying:

"Then I will purify the lips of the peoples, that all of them may call on the name of the LORD and serve him shoulder to shoulder" Zephaniah 3:9

Only among JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are these having fulfilment Sir!
The Jews are even divided against themselves as there are dozens of sect with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines in the name "YAHWEH" they prefer but as for JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES millions across the globe are unitedly worshiping JEHOVAH as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers!

So if you want to know the truth today is that day for you. TRUTH is in action throughout the earth WORKING out BENEFITS while the Jews are confused among themselves because Jesus of Nazareth said:

"Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters". Luke 11:23

I told you we don't just READ and concluded we KNOW but we ascertain the outcome to be sure of what we READ so that we can TRUST (BELIEVE) it! 1Thessalonians 5:21; James 2:18-26

Thanks for your time! smiley



These are noise.
No where in the new and Old Testament did they mention “Jehovah” where did you get it from? William tydndale?
Where did you get “JHVH” from? How was it translated from “YHWH”?
It was William tyndale that formed the name “jehovah” when he was translating to English.
Why are you not using Bible translation but William Tyndale translation?

You are a worshipper of William tyndale.

Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:17am On Apr 18, 2022
Now you can continue with your restlessness MindHacker, "i pass you" no be ṣeré ṣeré o.
JEHOVAH has given us the wisdom to silence any antagonist of pure worship {Isaiah 54:17} that's why i often laugh each time you think of challenging me because i KNOW you will end up frustrated with whatever you think you know! wink
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Maynman: 10:20am On Apr 18, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
Now you can continue with your restlessness MindHacker, "i pass you" no be ṣeré ṣeré o.
JEHOVAH has given us the wisdom to silence any antagonist of pure worship {Isaiah 54:17} that's why i often laugh each time you think of challenging me because i KNOW you will end up frustrated with whatever you think you know! wink

And you can continuing worshipping William Tyndale.
Where did William Tyndale get the name “Jehovah” from? It was surely not from the Hebrew Bible he translated into English, he added his own..
That’s why you a Jehovah worshipper not a Elohim or Yahweh worshipper.
Elohim and Yahweh were specifically mentioned in the Bible, it was only in the king James VERSION written by William Tyndale that the word “Jehovah” is found.

You are a worshipper of William Tyndale, you are not following the Bible.

This argument is more than enough to crush any Jehovah witness.

Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:25am On Apr 18, 2022
I'm interested in PENGUIN because i know he's sincere in his request so keep your PERSONAL opinion Sir while i keep mine! wink
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Maynman: 10:27am On Apr 18, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
I'm interested in PENGUIN because i know he's sincere in his request so keep your PERSONAL opinion Sir while i keep mine! wink

You are only interested in worshipping “Jehovah” created by William tyndale, no where in old and new testaments did they mention “Jehovah”.
Penguin should be careful, you are not a Elohim/yhwh worshipper, you are a worshipper of “Jehovah” created by a Jehovah witness. The joke write itself.
No wonder no one knows the king James VERSION more than Jehovah witness, it was a version created by Jehovah witness for Jehovah witnesses , it is not a translation from the Hebrew bible.

Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Maynman: 10:35am On Apr 18, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
I'm interested in PENGUIN because i know he's sincere in his request so keep your PERSONAL opinion Sir while i keep mine! wink

Worshipper of Jehovah. “Jehovah” is from a Latin origin, was the new and Old Testament written in Latin?
So where did William Tyndale get the name “Jehovah” from? Shouldn’t he use “yhwh” or Yahweh as it is written in the Bible?

JEHOVAH IS AN ARTIFICIAL NAME CREATED BY WILLIAM TYNDALE, it does not have his origin in Jewish Bible, only in Latin and king James VERSION.

Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Maynman: 10:41am On Apr 18, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
I'm interested in PENGUIN because i know he's sincere in his request so keep your PERSONAL opinion Sir while i keep mine! wink

“Jehovah” is only found in the king James VERSION.
Guess who created the King James VERSION cheesy
There is no where “Jehovah” was mentioned in Hebrew Bible, it’s only found in the King James Version created by William Tyndale. Only “yhwh” and Yahweh is found in the Jewish Bible.

Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:00am On Apr 18, 2022
Please penguin2 whenever you're ready for further discussion on the topic i'm still yours sincerely MaxInDHouse! smiley
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Maynman: 11:02am On Apr 18, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
Please penguin2 whenever you're ready for further discussion on the topic i'm still yours sincerely MaxInDHouse! smiley

Worshipper of Jehovah aka William Tyndale cheesy

Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Dtruthspeaker: 1:11pm On Apr 18, 2022
Penguin2:
Yea! That’s the question… what if Jesus of Nazareth, whom we are celebrating his death and resurrection today, was not the Christ?...

Then Mathew 24, Revelations, Joel 2:28 and Acts 2:17 things would not have taken place.

And the world would have been as the world in pre 1980 that is all the evil shits flying around the world (the Dark Horses) would not be here with us.

But we see all those prophecies are fulfilled in our generation and we are witnesses of it. So this is just another stupid question.
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by mhmsadyq(m): 2:18pm On Apr 18, 2022
Sweetplum:

Gbenu sohun oponu ayerada (Shut up & stop typing like an imbecil e).
Some talk about religion & show tolerance.
While you n your minions ll threaten bomb & sword as if you are the only ones with monopoly of violence.
Just swerve to gutter!

I know this is how you will end it.
The usual Christians' signature.
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by mhmsadyq(m): 2:21pm On Apr 18, 2022
Sweetplum:

I stayed on the topic before you banged in with your dirty posts & rags.
If you claim nothing concerned you then keep quiet. Leave the floor for atheists to come & collect!

As long as you don't drag Islam and the Prophet into wetin no concern dem!

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Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Nobody: 2:53pm On Apr 18, 2022
mhmsadyq:


I know this is how you will end it.
The usual Christians' signature.
Who's violent in the world?
Children of Ishmael.
Who is bombing people shouting God be praised?
Muslims called terrorists.
Who's always at war with others even if they kuku die say make he dey hin own?
MURIC an Islamic organisation.
So... Sadiq, what's your problem & that of your brethrens?
Why can't you live & let live?
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Nobody: 2:58pm On Apr 18, 2022
mhmsadyq:


As long as you don't drag Islam and the Prophet into wetin no concern dem!
I was jut explain to a Penguin2 that he dare not come near you guys. That's all
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by mhmsadyq(m): 3:11pm On Apr 18, 2022
Sweetplum:

Who's violent in the world?
Children of Ishmael.
Who is bombing people shouting God be praised?
Muslims called terrorists.
Who's always at war with others even if they kuku die say make he dey hin own?
MURIC an Islamic organisation.
So... Sadiq, what's your problem & that of your brethrens?
Why can't you live & let live?

Stale!
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by mhmsadyq(m): 3:17pm On Apr 18, 2022
Sweetplum:

I was jut explain to a Penguin2 that he dare not come near you guys. That's all

You could have done better cleared his doubts about your God.

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Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:22pm On Apr 18, 2022
mhmsadyq:


You could have done better cleared his doubts about your God.
Without bias can you compare the comments to ascertain who truly serve an intelligent God? smiley
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Nobody: 5:58pm On Apr 18, 2022
mhmsadyq:


Stale!
Relevant.
Re: What If Jesus Of Nazareth Was Not The Christ? by Nobody: 6:00pm On Apr 18, 2022
mhmsadyq:


You could have done better cleared his doubts about your God.
This isn't about God alone. It's about being humane. He has learned. But I don't think you v learned.

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