Maestro21:


Start with Zechariah 14 v 7 that I have already shown you clearly. The day is called day because it is a continuous day. There is no night from when Jesus lands till the new world.

Zechariah 14 v 1-7;
1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.


@Maestro21, take note of the bolded parts. Will all these things happen in one literal day? or will happen continuously throughout the millennial reign of Christ?

Maestro21:


Don't you see that those events happen before Jesus comes down for his second coming? That is what those verses are saying. Revelation 19 says it again parenthetically. lol

Remember day of the Lord starts from the beginning of his second coming but it continues till after the millennial reign.

so according to you, the sun will be darkened, and the moon would be turned to blood...not in one literal day...but from the second coming of Christ till the end of the millennial reign? Bravo!!!

Maestro21:


Don't you see that those events happen before Jesus comes down for his second coming? That is what those verses are saying. Revelation 19 says it again parenthetically. lol

Remember day of the Lord starts from the beginning of his second coming but it continues till after the millennial reign.

So do you agree Matthew 24 v 29-31 (the day of the Lord) and Revelation 6 v 12-17 is the same event? witnessed by the darkening of the sun and the moon turning to blood?

Maestro21:


Till he is taken out of the way!!!! Tell me how God is taken out of the way and by whom? I am waiting.

Quite simple, until he hands over authority to the beast over all nations, tribes and peoples to rule over...the beast can't do shit

Maestro21:


Nobody related Pentecost to the day of the Lord. It appears you don't know the references. Joel 2:28-31 says the spirit is poured, great stuff will happen, the sun will be darkened, moon will be blooded etc. Peter says verse 28 happened Acts 3 yet verse 31 has to happen 2000+ years after verse 28. (According to John)

So it is not new language where a Prophet (Peter) describes an event that will occur during the day of the Lord even though it will be at least 1000 years after the second coming.

Do you understand?

Nope, you are clearly conflating the day of the Lord (the second coming of Christ) with the millennial reign...which are two separate events.

The day of the Lord is a literal day, what happens after that is the millennial reign. The millennial reign is not the day of the Lord.

Maestro21:


Also, false. Revelation 6 v 12-17 is part of the great tribulation which is before the millennial reign which is before the destruction of the world and melting of the elements.

Lol, so the sun will turn to sackcloth and the moon into blood during the great tribulation? When Jesus clearly mention this would happen after the great tribulation;

Matthew 24 v 29-31;
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; THE STARS WILL FALL FROM THE SKY, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
31 And he will send his angels with A LOUD TRUMPET CALL, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Revelation 6 v 12-17;
12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red,
13 and THE STARS IN THE SKY FELL TO EARTH, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind.
14 The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.
15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains.
16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
17 For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”



@Maestro21, let me give you a hint...from those two scriptural references...how many times will stars fall from the sky to the earth? in one day? or two separate days

OkCornel:


Zechariah 14 v 1-7;
1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.


@Maestro21, take note of the bolded parts. Will all these things happen in one literal day? or will happen continuously throughout the millennial reign of Christ?

This is the beginning of the day of the lord.

Maestro21:


This is the beginning of the day of the lord.

Read verse 7 again

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

OkCornel:


so according to you, the sun will be darkened, and the moon would be turned to blood...not in one literal day...but from the second coming of Christ till the end of the millennial reign? Bravo!!!

The use of strawman is weak. The sun being darkened etc happen before the second coming of the lord. I have said so.

OkCornel:


So do you agree Matthew 24 v 29-31 (the day of the Lord) and Revelation 6 v 12-17 is the same event? witnessed by the darkening of the sun and the moon turning to blood?

Revelation 6 from verse 12-17 are events before the second coming. They are in the 2nd 3.5 years or the great tribulation. Matthew 24 v 29 tallies with verses 12-17 of Revelation 6. Verse 30-31 of Matthew 24 is after the 7 years of the tribulation which means after the 2nd 3.5 years.

OkCornel:


Quite simple, until he hands over authority to the beast over all nations, tribes and peoples to rule over...the beast can't do shit

Paul says he that restrains has to be taken out of the way. Not that he has to step aside. It says taken out. The Greek is ACTIVE and it is an action performed on the subject.

Who can perform that action to God?

OkCornel:


Zechariah 14 v 1-7;
1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.


@Maestro21, take note of the bolded parts. Will all these things happen in one literal day? or will happen continuously throughout the millennial reign of Christ?

A day with God is like a thousand years with man.

The day of the Lord is a long stretch of time beginning from the rapture to the destruction of the universe followed by judgment day.

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

It is at the opening of the sixth seal that people on earth would realize that they are in the day of the Lord.

Note the word in that day, meaning it is taking place in the prophetic day of the Lord.

OkCornel:


Nope, you are clearly conflating the day of the Lord (the second coming of Christ) with the millennial reign...which are two separate events.

The day of the Lord is a literal day, what happens after that is the millennial reign. The millennial reign is not the day of the Lord.

Did Zechariah 14 v 7 tell you it was a literal day? If not, provide a verse to buttress your argument.

The second coming of Christ begins the day of the lord. Millennial reign, judgement of the world are part of the day of the lord. Jesus was the light of the world as soon as he touched down. You could not have a night again so the day was a continuous day.

OkCornel:


Lol, so the sun will turn to sackcloth and the moon into blood during the great tribulation? When Jesus clearly mention this would happen after the great tribulation;

Matthew 24 v 29-31;
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; THE STARS WILL FALL FROM THE SKY, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
31 And he will send his angels with A LOUD TRUMPET CALL, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Revelation 6 v 12-17;
12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red,
13 and THE STARS IN THE SKY FELL TO EARTH, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind.
14 The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.
15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains.
16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
17 For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”



@Maestro21, let me give you a hint...from those two scriptural references...how many times will stars fall from the sky to the earth? in one day? or two separate days

Tribulation is NOT GREAT tribulation. I thought these were basic facts. It appears a lot has to be broken down before any weighty stuff is discussed.

Tribulation = 7 Years.

Half way into it till the end is the GREAT tribulation.

Study the same story from Luke 21 v 23-25. Take note of GREAT tribulation/distress depending on translation.

OkCornel:


Read verse 7 again

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

Are you for real? This is funny.

Let me simplify it. It will be a day; I don't mean day or night but just day. Even in the evening it will be bright like the day usually is.

LOL

Maestro21:


Did Zechariah 14 v 7 tell you it was a literal day? If not, provide a verse to buttress your argument.

The second coming of Christ begins the day of the lord. Millennial reign, judgement of the world are part of the day of the lord. Jesus was the light of the world as soon as he touched down. You could not have a night again so the day was a continuous day.

Please what does it mean when Zechariah clearly wrote IT SHALL BE ONE DAY (not more than a day), and in the evening of that day, there shall be light

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

Steep:
Note the word in that day, meaning it is taking place in the prophetic day of the Lord.

I have tried to tell him it is a prophetic day in many different ways.

Maestro21:


I have tried to tell him it is a prophetic day in many different ways.

You don't need to stress yourself over it.

Maestro21:


Tribulation is NOT GREAT tribulation. I thought these were basic facts. It appears a lot has to be broken down before any weighty stuff is discussed.

Tribulation = 7 Years.

Half way into it till the end is the GREAT tribulation.

Study the same story from Luke 21 v 23-25. Take note of GREAT tribulation/distress depending on translation.

My question there to you is...how many days will the sun be darkened, the moon turn to blood and stars fall from the sky? except for the day of the Lord...

It's the same event in Revelation 6 v 12-17 and Matthew 24 v 29-31.

Lol, for you to downplay the events in Matthew 24 v 29 as just tribulation rather than the great tribulation...in that same Matthew 24, see what Jesu said about the distress of those days;

Matthew 24 v 21 & 29-31;
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


Which ties in smoothly with Revelation 6 v 12-17;
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

OkCornel:


Please what does it mean when Zechariah clearly wrote IT SHALL BE ONE DAY (not more than a day), and in the evening of that day, there shall be light

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

It is that you don't get it that is funny.

The reason you have 24 hours is because you have (day -12 hours and night- 12 hours). Noon is part of day the way evening is part of night.

When Jesus comes he is brighter than the sun and becomes the source of light for the world. As a result, there will be no noon, evening, bright or dark. It will just be light which means it will just be the day part of a day.

I hope you get it. See Revelation 22 v 5

Maestro21:


It is that you don't get it that is funny.

The reason you have 24 hours is because you have (day -12 hours and night- 12 hours). Noon is part of day the way evening is part of night.

When Jesus comes he is brighter than the sun and becomes the source of light for the world. As a result, there will be no noon, evening, bright or dark. It will just be light which means it will just be the day part of a day.

I hope you get it. See Revelation 22 v 5

The day of the Lord is one literal day, when He returns simple and short. Anything after that is the millennial reign, which is different from the day of the Lord.

Steep:
Note the word in that day, meaning it is taking place in the prophetic day of the Lord.

Thankyou, "in that day"...not "in those days"

OkCornel:


Thankyou, "in that day"...not "in those days"

yes but it is however a "prophetic day'.
Just like in Daniel where a day was a year.
To the Lord it is just one day but to humans it is several years.

Maestro21:


Paul says he that restrains has to be taken out of the way. Not that he has to step aside. It says taken out. The Greek is ACTIVE and it is an action performed on the subject.

Who can perform that action to God?

You've agree the authority the beast (Lawless One) comes from God? And he can't do anything until God gives him the authority?

There you go...

Steep:
yes but it is however a "prophetic day'.
Just like in Daniel where a day was a year.
To the Lord it is just one day but to humans it is several years.

And where did Zechariah say the day of the Lord is several years?
So Jesus feet will stand on the mount of Olives for several years abi?

Steep:
yes but it is however a "prophetic day'.
Just like in Daniel where a day was a year.
To the Lord it is just one day but to humans it is several years.

Let me get this straight, so all the things Zechariah said will happen on the day of the Lord in Zechariah 14 will take several years abi?

OkCornel:


My question there to you is...how many times will the sun be darkened, the moon turn to blood and stars fall from the sky?

It's the same event in Revelation 6 v 12-17 and Matthew 24 v 29-31.

Lol, for you to downplay the events in Matthew 24 v 29 as just tribulation rather than the great tribulation...in that same Matthew 24, see what Jesu said about the distress of those days;

Matthew 24 v 21 & 29-31;
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


Which ties in smoothly with Revelation 6 v 12-17;
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

How are you missing it this badly.

Immediately after the 3.5 years is the great tribulation, which is when I say verse 29 happens (in a period of time). That period of time is captured in Revelation 6:12-16 as well as Luke 21:25

Is that clear enough?

OkCornel:


The day of the Lord is one literal day, when He returns simple and short. Anything after that is the millennial reign, which is different from the day of the Lord.

How can you show this in scripture like I show you? You are yet to prove anything you have said.

OkCornel:


You've agree the authority the beast (Lawless One) comes from God? And he can't do anything until God gives him the authority?

There you go...

So the position you hold is not accountable to answering questions and never follows the context nor the meaning of the language itself. It just has to follow whatever you want it to mean at the time right?

So if Paul says a restrainer has to be REMOVED that is someone or some force has to remove the strainer. You say the restrainer is God but you won't tell us who or what force removed God?

Maestro21:


How are you missing it this badly.

Immediately after the 3.5 years is the great tribulation, which is when I say verse 29 happens (in a period of time). That period of time is captured in Revelation 6:12-16 as well as Luke 21:25

Is that clear enough?

Matthew 24 v 29-31 and Revelation 6 v 12-17 is the same event. The day of the Lord, which will happen after the great tribulation.

Unless you are telling us the sun will be darkened, the moon will turn to blood and stars will fall from heaven twice?

Maestro21:

So the position you hold is not accountable to answering questions and never follows the context nor the meaning of the language itself. It just has to follow whatever you want it to mean at the time right?

So if Paul says a restrainer has to be REMOVED that is someone or some force has to remove the strainer. You say the restrainer is God but you won't tell us who or what force removed God?

God ultimately is the restrainer, as He has not handed authority over to the beast to rule.
Where does the scripture state the restrainer has to be removed by another entity?