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Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by plaindealer: 8:58am On Apr 29, 2022 |
[s] GerogeI:[/s] Collective defence - Article 5 Your irrelevant opinion remains irrelevant, you are not NATO and you and your Kremlin master don't speak for NATO. If den born Potin well, let him fire one single bullet inside Poland or even small LATVIA next door and see how fast NATO go storm Russia with devastating annihilation. When we debate facts, you people always show face with your meaningless opinion with zero sense of reality. |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by OBAGADAFFI: 9:06am On Apr 29, 2022 |
Why can't you guys discuss International Politics with decorum. Everything is fighting and insults. Russia and the West have been playing this game for years, no one is superior here. Africans should learn |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by plaindealer: 9:08am On Apr 29, 2022 |
GerogeI: Typical PouTinian, always bragging with meaningless rubbish? Always boasting with useless numbers when in fact you don't even need half of that to destroy the world. US Navy Six Fleet with Nuclear ships, Nuclear subs in the Black Sea next to Russia and Meditaranian get enough Nukes to evaporate Russia, they don't even have to fire anything from the US. ![]() ![]() |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by GerogeI(m): 9:10am On Apr 29, 2022 |
plaindealer: You are even slower than I thought. Putin has no interest invading Poland. The US knows that already. The European politicians are just feeding the fears of their populace. The separation from Poland to Ukraine is more than sufficient protection for Russia. However, Finland is a different story, if Finland joins NATO, that your NATO article 5 might be put to some serious test. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by GerogeI(m): 9:14am On Apr 29, 2022 |
plaindealer:That's a stupid conjecture rising from ignorance. Let me educate you again: First make distinction between nuclear powered and nuclear weaponized ships. Its not everytime you hear nuclear submarine that the reference is to nuclear war heads. No, the nuclear subs mostly refer to the power source for the engine. They use nuclear fuels to generate heat that drives a sterling engine or its variation. So they never rise for refueling and can stay underwater for months at a time. A nuclear weaponized ship will not carry more than 2 to 5 nuclear war heads, considering the weight of launch systems. That's will hardly dent a country with large mass like Russia or US. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I think you are just a kid, more concerned with sounding right than the true realities of war. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by plaindealer: 9:21am On Apr 29, 2022 |
GerogeI: To start with, Nuclear targets are populated areas, major states, towns and cities, not open deserts to blow up every inch of any country. The topic is MAD so if you are going to spew endless essays and irrelevant rants, why not just convince us that MAD won't happen in case of any Nuke strike by Russia. How hard is the topic to digest? |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by plaindealer: 9:25am On Apr 29, 2022 |
GerogeI: lol @ PoUtonian making silly and irrelevant distinctions between Nuclear ships and subs and Nuclear weapons? So, I really have to spoon feed this slowTad that Nuclear ships and subs carry Nukes? ![]() ![]() Do you not know that all the US Navy fleets from 1st to six all carry Nukes? PoUTIN always recruits the slowest supporters I swear.. ![]() ![]() |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by GerogeI(m): 9:34am On Apr 29, 2022 |
plaindealer: Nuclear targets can be population centers and can also be deserts. Depends in the goal or strategy. The dangers of nuclear bombs is not the immediate explosion, but the millions of fragments of fissile material it will scatter over about 30km radius for the average bomb. So it can also be use to confine a population to a restricted area for the next 100 years. MAD is nuclear weapons, and Nuclear weapons is MAD. Like you said, its a theory, howbeit it has not been tested. Hypersonic missiles is just one way it can all go wack. Am sure both US and Russia have been thinking of other ways. For example the research in atomic collisions (CERN) is actually an effort into the possibility of using antimatter to to annihilate nuclear warheads without consequences. How much that has progressed is unknown, but theoretically possible. |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by plaindealer: 9:38am On Apr 29, 2022 |
GerogeI: Here we go again with the hypersonic argument. It doesn't matter what you fired, they have sensors, sats, and monitoring apparatus to detect your actions from preparation to actual strike regardless of what you fired including hypersonic so the second your hypersonic jets into the air, they are sending yours back to you so of what relevance is your hypersonic argument? Orr the fact that you fired hypersonic whatever means you won't get Nuked in return? How hard is it for you people to gel with obvious reality or to even make small sense? |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by GerogeI(m): 9:38am On Apr 29, 2022 |
plaindealer:Stop showing your ignorance and childishness. Even an idiot knows not all US Navy or Russian ships or subs carry nuclear weapons. Back to basics, you still need to learn the difference between nuclear powered vessels and nuclear weapon vessels. Not all nuclear powered vessels carry nuclear weapons. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by plaindealer: 9:45am On Apr 29, 2022 |
GerogeI: lmao @ this dude. Always gyrating from one foolery to the next? Where was it even asserted that all ships carry nukes? Dude, go and sit down if you have nothing sane and intelligent to talk about and stop arguing with yourself.. ![]() ![]() Typical PouTonian.. ![]() ![]() |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by Mooh247: 9:45am On Apr 29, 2022 |
GerogeI: The guy is still a kid and thinks war is call of duty on PlayStation, I bet he is stuck in Nigeria all his life and his perception of the west is only through Holywood movies.. He is quite irredeemable . 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by plaindealer: 9:47am On Apr 29, 2022 |
I still don't know what this rant and distractions got to do with MAD. Just explain to us why you are invisible and won't sustain the same Nuclear injury after firing your own nukes at another Nuke-capable country. |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by plaindealer: 9:49am On Apr 29, 2022 |
Mooh247: Look at this one hiding under another joker after getting disgraced out of the thread. I'm kuku ready for you again..shey you neva taya.. Oya.. ![]() ![]() |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by plaindealer: 9:52am On Apr 29, 2022 |
So, what these PuTonians are saying is, if their Kremlin drunkard sends Nukes to the US or any western Nation, the US/NATO go just sidon like mumu and won't return the favor? What kind of alternate reality world are these PoTonians from? ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by Mooh247: 9:54am On Apr 29, 2022 |
plaindealer: Whose got time for a little boy with little data to constituite nuisance?! Definitely not me... Got far more productive threads to enjoy from properly raised civilised people on Nairaland I barely gave the guy I qouted some hint on the stupidity to expect on this thread |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by GerogeI(m): 9:55am On Apr 29, 2022 |
plaindealer: You know when you do not know how things work, you tend to mystify it. The sensors you are talking about are cameras on satellites, same kind used for shooting Google earth pictures and their infra red sand Lidar versions. Even North Korea routinely fool's all those cameras. As for hypersonic missiles, am guessing you are not science inclined, so its hard for you to understand the implication. So lets make it simple, you cannot intercept them, the person who has them can more easily intercept your conventional missiles. 1 Like |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by plaindealer: 9:55am On Apr 29, 2022 |
Mooh247: What you see in the mirror every second of the day.. Kpele, e go beta.. ![]() ![]() |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by plaindealer: 9:58am On Apr 29, 2022 |
GerogeI: No need to keep boring me with your needless essays, just explain to us why MAD is not applicable when it comes to Russia. If you are going to argue, do so with credible and intelligent thoughts and credible facts, instead of these needless and meandering fluffs |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by plaindealer: 10:01am On Apr 29, 2022 |
GerogeI: This has nothing to do with hypersonic or how good or difficult it is to defend against, let's just even agree that you hit your target in the US and Western Europe, does it mean the US or NATO won't send their own Nukes your way? Just answer Yes or No. |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by GerogeI(m): 10:04am On Apr 29, 2022 |
plaindealer: Oh, I see your irrelevant use of Fleet. Has no consequence. US cannot destroy Russia from fleets, their missiles can be intercepted. They need to use intercontinental ballistic missiles, especially now that Russia can fire hypersonic interceptors. And futher, no one ever made claims that Russia cannot sustain damage from retaliatory nuclear attacks. The point really is that Russias new capabilities make it more able to intercept or destroy such attacks, so the mutually assured destruction is no longer certain. The world is officially back in the arms race, Russia is on top for now. |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by plaindealer: 10:06am On Apr 29, 2022 |
This thing is so basic and elementary that we should not even be going back and forth with this. Nukes are for deterrence, not usage because once you press that button, be expecting your own portion in kind. It's simple. |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by plaindealer: 10:09am On Apr 29, 2022 |
[s] GerogeI:[/s] Abeg, you are getting, more and more boring with your pointless and meandering rubbish. Does firing your so-called hypersonic missiles at the US/NATO mean the US or NATO won't send their own Nukes your way? Just answer Yes or No. |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by GerogeI(m): 10:11am On Apr 29, 2022 |
plaindealer:Lol, you are thick, really thick skulled. Let me try to be slow and gentle. ICBM can easily achieve 7km/s, but they need to be launched into space, which means they are easily detected. All the parties have this capability. But conventional air breathing missiles that you fire from vehicles or boats or ships or subs do not have that kind of speed. Except Russia now has the technology. Meaning, that the US can respond to a Russian attack, but not only can Russia intercept the conventional missiles they respond with, they can also use the hypersonic missiles to intercept or deflect an incoming ICB missile since they have similar speed range. So mutually assured destruction might not be totally mutual after all. |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by plaindealer: 10:13am On Apr 29, 2022 |
GerogeI: What the mutually assured destruction theory MAD is? Hence the topic, MAD. So, if you are not making claims that Russia cannot sustain damage from retaliatory nuclear attacks, then why are you bothering me with your meaningless post. MAD is the Keyword, it's either you agree or disagree,, but you need to stop trolling or straddling as if you are clueless and confused. |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by redcliff: 10:14am On Apr 29, 2022 |
plaindealer: your father and your mother are moumou.. |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by plaindealer: 10:16am On Apr 29, 2022 |
[s] GerogeI:[/s] I'm not interested in your speed of ICBM rubbish and distractions, the topic is MAD. What the mutually assured destruction theory MAD is? Do you agree or disagree? |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by plaindealer: 10:18am On Apr 29, 2022 |
redcliff: When people with low intellect and meager vocabulary lack sensible and intelligent things to say, they enter inside gutter and start abusing their parents. Sucks to be you. ![]() ![]() |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by redcliff: 10:22am On Apr 29, 2022 |
plaindealer: like I said, direct your intellect and your vocabulary to your moumou father and moumou mother. It must suck to really be you. |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by GerogeI(m): 10:27am On Apr 29, 2022 |
plaindealer: Hello stupid, The word there for D is Destruction not Damage. Anybody can sustain damage. But can you assurdly destroy Russia when they can intercept and retaliate. No! |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by plaindealer: 10:29am On Apr 29, 2022 |
The saber-rattling Kremlin clown can not even touch Ukraine with Nukes, all na frustration because he can not defeat small Ukrain. Half of the radiation go blown inside Russia and kill his own people inside Russia. Ode overrated loser.. He's still mad and drinking ogogoro because Ukraine sank his useless flagship boat.. ![]() ![]() |
Re: Nuclear War. What Is The Meaning Of MAD? by GerogeI(m): 10:30am On Apr 29, 2022 |
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