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Re: ...... by Empiree: 2:43am On Apr 29, 2022
Salaam Alaikum Waramotulahi Wabarakatu

On the issues on ground regarding Oba Alaafin Lamidi Adeyemi's death and burial. What's are your thoughts?. For me, I believe it is high time our alfa both young and old to act more like civilized people. I have taken my time to watch, read and listen to all sides as much as I could. At the end of the day, we wanted nothing for the king but been a Muslim and enter Jannah. I watched short clip of Sheikh Akewugbagold today....

https://fb.watch/cGugGhpqMD/

Well, if he said Oba was muslim alhamdulilah.. may Allah forgive his shortcomings.. He was close to him than everyone else.. But I hope they don't deceive themselves.

There was a reason Sheikh Zuglu(ra) called out all Alfas in OYO to ask Oba Lamidi to decide which religion he was upon. For sheikh to raise this alarm means that he knew Aalafin activities were questionable. Oba Lamidi did not hide his Islam and traditional religions. Again, I hope they aren't deceiving themselves.


This is a good lesson to all other muslim kings to make themselves clear.. We can't continue to pray janaza on someone and be buried by mushrikun. Aalafin case is different from Oyedepo's Aunt. Oyedepo's Aunt's religion was clear to us all.... Just that her family took over their property (deceased) which was muslims fault because Muslims in Yorùbáland act like uneducated people. Thank you so much Babaloworo. Baba to sharp gaan ni.

There won't be controversy at all if Oba Lamidi himself had his Will. This is one of the benefits of Will. Even in Western world, masajid tell us to go to municipal offices to fill out forms to indicate our religion in case of death especially Muslims that live around nonmuslims. In this case, the city calls local Imam to perform janaza. This is what a whole Aalafin should have done. All these years he didn't have his legal team to inform him about this so as to avoid this controversies?.


If Oba Iwo (AbdulRoshid) dies today I am sure his case is clear. Muslims will perform janaza and bury him because he made himself clear. He's very blunt and straightforward. The former Oba of Omu-Aran, Oba Charles was a core Christian. He was called for kingship from abroad. He gave them specific terms never to participate or support their rituals. He said his mission is just to govern well. And he achieved his mission although died years back. So why couldn't Muslim kings do the same?.


The saying that Aalafin entered kaaba, he did this and that are not absolute proofs of his Islam. We have seen cases of nonmuslims go to Mecca to perform hajj and they returned to Nigeria to tell us there is no difference between Hajj and their traditional rituals.

Let's bear in mind that concerned Muslims have right to question Oba Lamidi's faith and janaza because he created the confusion for himself. Right now, if Sheikh Akewugbagold is sure that Alaafin was Muslim, then he needs to take the next step to contact Aalafin Lamidi wikipedia profile to edit it because, as long as his public profile shows he was sango worshipper and Islam at the same time, no reasonable Muslims would call him muslim. It is that simple.

See his profile attached

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Re: ...... by Empiree: 2:52am On Apr 29, 2022
As for the guy in Belfast called Saheed, muslims on social media should please stop responding to his nonsense otherwise, saheed and his supporters, even people that don't like saheed shittu will support him on this. I'm saying this because a guy called on two muslim programs on Facebook and he made a very dangerous and disastrous claim. He said he has evidence that Saheed visited Oba Lamidi for sango rituals and that he would provide picture evidence if the former denies the allegation. Indeed, the thug came out and denied it but since then, the alleged evidence had not been revealed.

You can't claim you have evidence of his shirk with Oba and try to implicate saheed shittu alone. That's not justice. And if the caller doesn't have evidence, he needs to make tawba because he did exactly what saheed shittu is doing to others. What he doesn't realize is that, while trying to defend Oba Lamidi ISLAMIC faith, he forgot that by providing evidence of them at sango shrine, the implication is that Oba Lamidi was a mushrik.


"It doesn't matter now. He is already with his Lord, and He is the best judge. At the same time, it matters a lot for other Kings to get their acts together. And it should be a lesson to all Imams and Alfas; they need to discharge their divine responsibilities faithfully and stop ijekuje and frivolous collaboration with suspicious Obas." - Copied

Re: ...... by Empiree: 3:06am On Apr 29, 2022
Again, a whole Oba Lamidi of Alafin should have legal team. Alfas around him should have academic knowledge of importance of Will.

In this Will, Oba Lamidi would have stated his religion and how he wanted to be buried. This would have been filed with local government. Police would have their copy. Family would have their copy. Alfa would have their copy. And a copy would have been posted at the palace. This way, after he kicks the bucket, if traditionalists show up like they normally do a copy would be given to them therefore they would have had no right to bury or had anything to do with his body. But it is unfortunate that, I am sorry to say, Muslims behave like uneducated people in Yorùbáland.

Talk is cheap. Muslims talk too much but act less. Talk don't solve problems but evidences do. When Oyedepo's Aunt died Bishop Oyedepo's family came around and picked up their property. Muslims only used verbal arguments "she was Muslim. We saw her prayed salat" bla bla bla. This doesn't prove anything. All these years they didn't have sense to get court order.

Get a lawyer to speak with mama about her Will. File her Will with the court. When Oyedepo family shows up show them legal document. But instead, our people were just talking. Talk is cheap. We have gotta stop this old ways of doing things. Christians in Yorùbáland have moved on. They are way ahead of muslims in terms of utilizing system.

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Re: ...... by Empiree: 2:56am On May 02, 2022
Eld Mubarak gbogbo ile

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Re: ...... by Addme: 3:01am On May 02, 2022
Empiree:
Eld Mubarak gbogbo ile
Same here Sir, May Almighty Allah accept it as an act of Ibadah. Aamin

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Re: ...... by LadunaI(m): 1:26pm On May 02, 2022
Empiree:
Eld Mubarak gbogbo ile
Ameen yah Allah. Eid Mubarak

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Re: ...... by Tessyy1701: 11:08am On May 04, 2022
Empiree:
Eld Mubarak gbogbo ile

TaqaballaLahu Minna Waminkun

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Re: ...... by movado19: 5:53pm On May 04, 2022
Empiree:
Eld Mubarak gbogbo ile

Thank you and Eid Mubarak (belated) to everyone and may Allah's blessings be with you all, Amin.

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Re: ...... by movado19: 6:01pm On May 04, 2022
Empiree:
Salaam Alaikum Waramotulahi Wabarakatu

On the issues on ground regarding Oba Alaafin Lamidi Adeyemi's death and burial. What's are your thoughts?.

I personally believe that anyone, regardless of what you profess your religion to be, shouldn't be caught in a situation where people have to guess what you practiced especially after that person's demise.
There are unforseen situations where this could happen and that is not blameworthy in any way.
The late king, however had a very long life - just as Empiree stated - to rectify this sort of thing so that what happened would never have taken place, were he a truly practicing Muslim.
At this point in time, we say Allah knows best!
It's just sad that this sort of fiasco had to happen during Ramadan.
May Allah bless every step and decisions we make in this life, Amin.

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Re: ...... by movado19: 6:25pm On May 04, 2022
Re: Jinn Stories by Empiree: 7:51pm On Dec 28, 2014

Some choose to be in seclusion and invoke Him. Quran itself encourages Ihsan. Do you think for a second that people of Ihsan (tassawuf) do what you do?. No, they do more than you.

In their seclusion, we say possibility of encountering beyond is 80% chance. The whole concept is within Shariah contrary to 4:115. No one is advocating invoking spirit. I just dont understand how you brother keep misunderstanding the whole thing. Even sino's Alfa who chanted "Ya Lateef" countless time, nothing wrong with it. He was not invoking spirit. He invoked Allah. But in what manner?....by going na.ked which is contrary to Shariah.


After a careful study and research on the above, here are the possibilities of what may have induced the Alfa to go "naked"...
1. He may have started this without the proper guidance from his Shaikh/guide - the proper adab is not to begin taking off ones clothes when the effects become present and he shouldn't have ideally been around people like that, when engaged in its recitation.
2. He may have done "asheju" and did more than was stipulated for him.
3. He may have invoked Ya Lateef with something else which was "inappropriate", though i choose to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that this may NOT have been the case.

Ya Lateef is a very Jalali (HOT) zikr and as such, it may require the guidance of a seasoned sheikh/teacher for those counts and times when its effects begin to manifest.
As a rule, it's advised to intermitently take a cold shower (almost 4-6 times in a day) and/or have a pale of cool water next to the reciter, so that s/he dips their fingers and dabs across the face and neck, etc for relief.
Re: ...... by Empiree: 7:40pm On May 04, 2022
^^^^

I wish you could do the quote very well so I can read btw the lines. Looks like you quoted me from 2014.

movado19

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Re: ...... by Empiree: 8:04pm On May 04, 2022
movado19:


I personally believe that anyone, regardless of what you profess your religion to be, shouldn't be caught in a situation where people have to guess what you practiced especially after that person's demise.
There are unforseen situations where this could happen and that is not blameworthy in any way.
The late king, however had a very long life - just as Empiree stated - to rectify this sort of thing so that what happened would never have taken place, were he a truly practicing Muslim.
At this point in time, we say Allah knows best!
It's just sad that this sort of fiasco had to happen during Ramadan.
May Allah bless every step and decisions we make in this life, Amin.
Wallah it is very sad. Very very sad. A muslim faith doesn't have to be questioned at all after his demise. Alafin had 52 years to come clean and especially when Sheikh Sanusi Zugloo (ra) lamented.

Now they are telling us that he said shahada 3x and alhamdulilah on top of it at the time of his death. Well, we do not dispute Allah could make this possible at all. This is btw him and Alhah. Fir'aun also uttered shahada the very last seconds of his life but it was too late for him. But here we talk or judge based on what is apparent.

We seen some Muslims defended the King's Islamic faith. This further fueled controversies because it was so sure to some that he was not. Yesterday I watched a guy called Okanlomo and I recorded towards last part of his message. It is unfortunate that voice can't be uploaded on NL. He said Oba Alaafin Lamidi was onisango secretly but practiced Islam openly. Without deceiving ourselves, in Islamic terminology this is called kufr. I do not necessarily blame Alfa that prayed janaza on him because they based their evidences on his apparent practices.

But for how long are we gonna keep doing this?. Islam in Yorùbáland is getting more and more blurry along traditionalists and Christianity and we aren't paying attention. If we don't call a spade a spade we will keep getting stuck and keep having folks with Muslim names but in reality they aren't Muslims. It is the people like these that get caught with human body parts and they claim to be Muslims. Enough of this rubbish. I am sick and tired of this fa.

There is high chance that anyone arrested in the SW would claim to be Muslim due to the mix up. This is 21st century. Oba Ile Yorùbá are not meant for or to practice traditional religion. Oba is a neutral person.

Muslim oba's coronation should be performed by Muslims. Christian oba should be done by Christians. So the traditionalists. But oba must serve everyone. History and Yorùbá movies however made us to believe that oba are by default practice Yorùbá religion. It is high time we change this perspective.

I am so sad, been sad for the past 3 years about Islam in Yorùbáland. Muslims make me sick to my stomach.

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Re: ...... by movado19: 10:11pm On May 04, 2022
Empiree:
^^^^

I wish you could do the quote very well so I can read btw the lines. Looks like you quoted me from 2014.

movado19

Shaikh Empiree, yes it's from 2014 and I believe that it started from page 10 of that thread with Sino's Ustaz...
I have attached some of the screenshots of page 10 and also the complete one of the earlier one I copied, page 20.

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Re: ...... by Empiree: 10:48pm On May 04, 2022
movado19:


Shaikh Empiree, yes it's from 2014 and I believe that it started from page 10 of that thread with Sino's Ustaz...
I have attached some of the screenshots of page 10 and also the complete one of the earlier one I copied, page 20.
wow...I remembered this. You really digged this up. That was the thread that "gingered" me to narrated my experiences.
Re: ...... by Excel70: 8:55am On May 05, 2022
movado19:
Re: Jinn Stories by Empiree: 7:51pm On Dec 28, 2014

Some choose to be in seclusion and invoke Him. Quran itself encourages Ihsan. Do you think for a second that people of Ihsan (tassawuf) do what you do?. No, they do more than you.

In their seclusion, we say possibility of encountering beyond is 80% chance. The whole concept is within Shariah contrary to 4:115. No one is advocating invoking spirit. I just dont understand how you brother keep misunderstanding the whole thing. Even sino's Alfa who chanted "Ya Lateef" countless time, nothing wrong with it. He was not invoking spirit. He invoked Allah. But in what manner?....by going na.ked which is contrary to Shariah.


After a careful study and research on the above, here are the possibilities of what may have induced the Alfa to go "naked"...
1. He may have started this without the proper guidance from his Shaikh/guide - the proper adab is not to begin taking off ones clothes when the effects become present and he shouldn't have ideally been around people like that, when engaged in its recitation.
2. He may have done "asheju" and did more than was stipulated for him.
3. He may have invoked Ya Lateef with something else which was "inappropriate", though i choose to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that this may NOT have been the case.

Ya Lateef is a very Jalali (HOT) zikr and as such, it may require the guidance of a seasoned sheikh/teacher for those counts and times when its effects begin to manifest.
As a rule, it's advised to intermitently take a cold shower (almost 4-6 times in a day) and/or have a pale of cool water next to the reciter, so that s/he dips their fingers and dabs across the face and neck, etc for relief.
Jazakhumullahi khayran
I learnt from experienced Alfa's that recitation of Ya Latest attract a particular type of jinns that have sexual intercourse with humans in dreams. You are advised to kick honey intermittently when engaging in its recitation.

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Re: ...... by movado19: 12:14am On May 06, 2022
Excel70:

Jazakhumullahi khayran
I learnt from experienced Alfa's that recitation of Ya Latest attract a particular type of jinns that have sexual intercourse with humans in dreams. You are advised to kick honey intermittently when engaging in its recitation.


Interesting!
Did he mention why those particular ones become attracted?
Also, what is the honey meant to do? (My quick guess is that it wards them off... but it's just a guess.)
Re: ...... by Excel70: 12:18am On May 06, 2022
movado19:



Interesting!
Did he mention why those particular ones become attracted?
Also, what is the honey meant to do? (My quick guess is that it wards them off... but it's just a guess.)
He did not mention why

2 yes the honey serves as a repellant

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Re: ...... by movado19: 1:23am On May 06, 2022
Excel70:

He did not mention why

2 yes the honey serves as a repellant


Okay, got it.
Sukraan for your response!
Re: ...... by movado19: 1:21am On May 12, 2022
Assalam Alaikum Everyone.

I decided to send this form of comfort/reassurance, especially in these trying times.
There are different kinds of difficulties out there that mankind is currently facing, individually and collectively.
It is normal to become despondent, withdrawn, and even give up when it seems that all roads are closed and our prayers are not being answered, Nauzubillah!

As Muslims, we need to cultivate and deploy a certain kind of mindset amidst setbacks, which is that:
1. Surely, my Lord is with me! He will certainly Guide me as Prophet Musa (A.S.) told his people when they were between the red sea and Firawn's troops. Q26:62.
2. Fear no one or situation because Allah sees and hears everything. Q20:46
3. Whatever is meant/destined for you will reach you and whatever isn't meant for you will not reach you. Q9:51.
Be content, yet hopeful in the Grace of Allah.
4. Have SABR (patience).
Have Tawakkul (reverential consciousness) of Allah.
Have belief by IMAN (faith).
Have YAKIN (certainty).
Have SHUKR (thankfulness).
Have ISTIQAMAH (steadfastness).

We all want what we want and when we want it, but Allah's time is not the same as our own limited time, and when He does give, it's without harm or evil attached to it. You enjoy your blessings to the maximum, InshaAllah.
It saddens me when I see people who have cut short their lives because they did not get what they wanted at the time they wanted it. This is not the way to see situations as a Muslim.
Rasul Allah (S.A.W.) advised us to see those who do not even have what we are blessed with when we start to complain; instead of looking at those who already have more than we do.
No job ye, thank Allah for your degree(s). Some people aren't even in school yet!
No car, thank Allah for your legs! Some amputees see you walk and that's all they wish to have - legs!
No marriage yet, thank Allah for your life. The decision of a spouse is not something to be made with human desires which are filled with frailties. Let Allah guide your way to a good life and marriage.
No children yet, thank Allah for your health and remember that he answered prophets Zachariah (A.S.) and Ibrahim (A.S.).
Not more than one child, thank Allah for that child He has blessed you with, and engage in being the best parent you can be to that child while hoping and praying for more blessings.
...the list becomes endless because we want and need and on and on it goes...

Not forgetting the issues of magic, witchcraft, evil eye, etc
Even these have expiration dates. They don't last forever!
Call on Allah who is also the Creator and Lord of these dark elements.
Only he can conquer and subdue them to perfection. YA QAHHAR, YA JABBAR.
If you give in to their wishes and/or give up hope in Allah, then what you are saying is that they are stronger than Allah, Nauzubillah!
They cannot withstand the light of Allah and Allah's promise of help and a near victory is forever true because He is HAQQ.
Q2:214
Q61:13
Q110:01
e.t.c.

Please do not give up or despair. Do not take your own life. Do not truncate your life by engaging in evil practices.
...And soon will thy Guardian-Lord give thee that which shall make you satisfied and well pleased. Surah Duha. Q93:05.

May Allah be with us all, Amin.

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Re: ...... by littleguy444: 7:33am On May 14, 2022
movado19:
Assalam Alaikum Everyone.

I decided to send this form of comfort/reassurance, especially in these trying times.
There are different kinds of difficulties out there that mankind is currently facing, individually and collectively.
It is normal to become despondent, withdrawn, and even give up when it seems that all roads are closed and our prayers are not being answered, Nauzubillah!

As Muslims, we need to cultivate and deploy a certain kind of mindset amidst setbacks, which is that:
1. Surely, my Lord is with me! He will certainly Guide me as Prophet Musa (A.S.) told his people when they were between the red sea and Firawn's troops. Q26:62.
2. Fear no one or situation because Allah sees and hears everything. Q20:46
3. Whatever is meant/destined for you will reach you and whatever isn't meant for you will not reach you. Q9:51.
Be content, yet hopeful in the Grace of Allah.
4. Have SABR (patience).
Have Tawakkul (reverential consciousness) of Allah.
Have belief by IMAN (faith).
Have YAKIN (certainty).
Have SHUKR (thankfulness).
Have ISTIQAMAH (steadfastness).

We all want what we want and when we want it, but Allah's time is not the same as our own limited time, and when He does give, it's without harm or evil attached to it. You enjoy your blessings to the maximum, InshaAllah.
It saddens me when I see people who have cut short their lives because they did not get what they wanted at the time they wanted it. This is not the way to see situations as a Muslim.
Rasul Allah (S.A.W.) advised us to see those who do not even have what we are blessed with when we start to complain; instead of looking at those who already have more than we do.
No job ye, thank Allah for your degree(s). Some people aren't even in school yet!
No car, thank Allah for your legs! Some amputees see you walk and that's all they wish to have - legs!
No marriage yet, thank Allah for your life. The decision of a spouse is not something to be made with human desires which are filled with frailties. Let Allah guide your way to a good life and marriage.
No children yet, thank Allah for your health and remember that he answered prophets Zachariah (A.S.) and Ibrahim (A.S.).
Not more than one child, thank Allah for that child He has blessed you with, and engage in being the best parent you can be to that child while hoping and praying for more blessings.
...the list becomes endless because we want and need and on and on it goes...

Not forgetting the issues of magic, witchcraft, evil eye, etc
Even these have expiration dates. They don't last forever!
Call on Allah who is also the Creator and Lord of these dark elements.
Only he can conquer and subdue them to perfection. YA QAHHAR, YA JABBAR.
If you give in to their wishes and/or give up hope in Allah, then what you are saying is that they are stronger than Allah, Nauzubillah!
They cannot withstand the light of Allah and Allah's promise of help and a near victory is forever true because He is HAQQ.
Q2:214
Q61:13
Q110:01
e.t.c.

Please do not give up or despair. Do not take your own life. Do not truncate your life by engaging in evil practices.
...And soon will thy Guardian-Lord give thee that which shall make you satisfied and well pleased. Surah Duha. Q93:05.

May Allah be with us all, Amin.
Jazakumullahu khayran for this wonderful piece

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Re: ...... by Alhajiemeritus: 10:32pm On May 18, 2022
Excel70:

Jazakhumullahi khayran
I learnt from experienced Alfa's that recitation of Ya Latest attract a particular type of jinns that have sexual intercourse with humans in dreams. You are advised to kick honey intermittently when engaging in its recitation.
Chanting Allah's name shouldn't attract any kind of jinns.

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Re: ...... by Slatemsk(m): 6:02pm On May 20, 2022
Salam alaikum everyone,am sorry if what am about to ask might not align with the group rules and regulations,I just saw it is an Islamic group,that's why am asking, please can anyone help me with Dua I can do for istihara about ones live,a prayer that can show someone guidance...I will be glad if anyone can be of help.
Re: ...... by littleguy444: 9:17pm On May 25, 2022
Slatemsk:
Salam alaikum everyone,am sorry if what am about to ask might not align with the group rules and regulations,I just saw it is an Islamic group,that's why am asking, please can anyone help me with Dua I can do for istihara about ones live,a prayer that can show someone guidance...I will be glad if anyone can be of help.
This might help.

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Re: ...... by movado19: 2:37am On May 28, 2022
Salam Alaikum to Everyone.

I have a few questions for @ Shaikh Empiree and to others who are into the study of Islamic Eschatology;

1. What is your view/take on the statement made by Shaikh Imran Hosein about Surah Zukhruf Q43:61; regarding the Tashkeel - Diacritics (kasra) INSTEAD of (fatha), so La'alamun and NOT La'ilmun, according to him?

2. He mentioned that:
- The Quran is safeguarded but not the Tashkeels, because these were not promised to be safeguarded by Allah.
His reason for this is that when the revelations descended and then got written, it never came along with tashkeels and that
the tashkeels got input much later for ease for the non-Arab (Ajami) muslims.
- The Tashkeel (kasra) for that particular word (La'ilmun) is "BOGUS" and "FALSE", as shaitan/or dajjal may/could have influenced this.

3. According to him, there is NO Quran copy in existence that has the right Tashkeel, so Muslims across generations have been reading the wrong word.

Then, how is his statement on the BOGUS/FALSE input by shaitan and dajjal in light of the following Ayahs by Allah in the Quran: stand?

A. Surah Al-Hijri Q15:09.
B. Surah Al-Shuara Q26:210-212.
C. Surah Al-Waqia Q56:77-80.
D. Surah Al-Burooj Q85:21-22.

I personally can understand if he said that he decided to use one of the Qira'at (readings) of the Quran to support his eschatological deduction/reasoning, (which he somewhat alluded to by mentioning the reading of Abbass (R.A.) ,however....

Here is his latest talk, though he's done others in the past regarding this same subject.
Thank you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-Rm5cCwbeI
Re: ...... by Empiree: 4:46am On May 28, 2022
movado19:
Salam Alaikum to Everyone.

I have a few questions for @ Shaikh Em.piree and to others who are into the study of Islamic Eschatology;

1. What is your view/take on the statement made by Shaikh Imran Hosein about Surah Zukhruf Q43:61; regarding the Tashkeel - Diacritics (kasra) INSTEAD of (fatha), so La'alamun and NOT La'ilmun, according to him?

2. He mentioned that:
- The Quran is safeguarded but not the Tashkeels, because these were not promised to be safeguarded by Allah.
His reason for this is that when the revelations descended and then got written, it never came along with tashkeels and that
the tashkeels got input much later for ease for the non-Arab (Ajami) muslims.
- The Tashkeel (kasra) for that particular word (La'ilmun) is "BOGUS" and "FALSE", as shaitan/or dajjal may/could have influenced this.

3. According to him, there is NO Quran copy in existence that has the right Tashkeel, so Muslims across generations have been reading the wrong word.

Then, how is his statement on the BOGUS/FALSE input by shaitan and dajjal in light of the following Ayahs by Allah in the Quran: stand?

A. Surah Al-Hijri Q15:09.
B. Surah Al-Shuara Q26:210-212.
C. Surah Al-Waqia Q56:77-80.
D. Surah Al-Burooj Q85:21-22.

I personally can understand if he said that he decided to use one of the Qira'at (readings) of the Quran to support his eschatological deduction/reasoning, (which he somewhat alluded to by mentioning the reading of Abbass (R.A.) ,however....

Here is his latest talk, though he's done others in the past regarding this same subject.
Thank you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-Rm5cCwbeI

walaikun salaam,

I saw rebuttal by Sheikh Hassan who in recent time has been criticizing Sheikh Imran Hussein. He called him kafir on this issue you raised for his utterances. I was once hardcore fan of Sheikh Imran Hussein but as years go by I find myself rejecting/disagreeing with him especially from the way he understands Sura Al-Imran verse 55 which he repeated by proxy in this video you posted.

One thing I like about him is that he always said that no one should agree or accept his view unless and until we are convinced he's right.

I am now of the opinion that Ayah 61 sura zhukhruf refers to knowledge of the Hour i:e Allah, Quran not Jesus. It doesn't indicate return of Isa (as). It is true that tashkeels were not revealed with Quran. But this doesn't change the pronunciation and the meaning. All I can say for now is that sheikh Imran Hussein should be careful not to be carried away because of his so called "love and affection" for the Orthodox Christians.

The Ayah he quoted in Al-Imran 55, I have argued with him on this Ayah 3 times but unfortunately he refused to reply properly. His interpretation is that the Ayah is talking about Christians who "follow" Jesus. Christians were never followers of Jesus. What Qur'an mentions is "Nassara". Nassara doesn't mean Christians. Christians existed in the time of Nabi Muhammad SAW but they were never in Medina contrary to popular opinion that Christians were in Medina. They were in Rome at the time.

So sheikh is saying that Ayah 55 means Orthodox Christianity will triumph and rule the world over western Christianity and Muslims. This is gross error.. Muslims have been praying Salat for over 1400 years. If keferi will triumph and rule over Muslims till Qiyyama, why are we still praying Salat then?. Why don't we just be Orthodox Christians instead of wasting our time 5 times a day, fast in Ramadan, go to Hajj etc. Allah is just.

So sura Al-Imran 55 is referring to the people that lived at the time of Jesus. Jesus true followers were superior to those who disbelieved in him. And besides, both Qur'an and Bible confirm that Jesus was sent only to his own people. This is why I begin to doubt those aHadith that speak about his second coming. They contradict Quran and they contradict themselves.

I used to translate Q43:61 as appearance of Jesus is the Sign of the Hour. I now put this view side. Allah himself took Jesus soul and he's dead... Not coming back

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Re: ...... by movado19: 2:56pm On May 28, 2022
Empiree:
walaikun salaam,

Thank you for your take and analysis.

I saw rebuttal by Sheikh Hassan who in recent time has been criticizing Sheikh Imran Hussein. He called him kafir on this issue you raised for his utterances. I was once hardcore fan of Sheikh Imran Hussein but as years go by I find myself rejecting/disagreeing with him especially from the way he understands Sura Al-Imran verse 55 which he repeated by proxy in this video you posted.


Yes, I also saw Shaikh Hassan Ali's rebuttal of SIH. There are other scholars who have also called his attention to what he's uttered but he insists that he is right and the ummah is/has been blind all along.


One thing I like about him is that he always said that no one should agree or accept his view unless and until we are convinced he's right.

In all honesty, he says that but then doesn't leave room for others to ask him questions that seem challenging. When this happens, he gets into a fit which is not okay for anyone, how much more a scholar.

I am now of the opinion that Ayah 62 sura zhukhruf refers to knowledge of the Hour i:e Allah, Quran not Jesus. It doesn't indicate return of Isa (as). It is true that tashkeels were not revealed with Quran. But this doesn't change the pronunciation and the meaning. All I can say for now is that sheikh Imran Hussein should be careful not to be carried away because of his so called "love and affection" for the Orthodox Christians.

Correct. The tashkeels are the ruh which power each letter consonant; as without them, they are just potentials. They cannot be divorced from the letters orally or in written form, therefore, when reciting the Quran, one will hear their presence and also when written, one will see their presence.
Hence the beauty of being able to correctly verify what one hears by seeing and verify what one sees by hearing.

The Ayah he quoted in Al-Imran 55, I have argued with him on this Ayah 3 times but unfortunately he refused to reply properly. His interpretation is that the Ayah is talking about Christians who "follow" Jesus. Christians were never followers of Jesus. What Quran mentions is Nassara. Nassara doesn't mean Christians. Christians existed in the time of Nabi Muhammad SAW but they we're never in Medina contrary to popular opinion that Christians were in Medina. They were in Rome at the time.

So sheikh is saying that Ayah 55 means Orthodox Christianity will triumph and rule the world over western Christianity and Muslims. This is gross error.. Muslims have been praying Salat for over 1400 years. If keferi will triumph and rule over Muslims till Qiyyama, why are we still praying Salat then?. Why don't we just be Orthodox Christians instead of wasting our time 5 times a day, fast in Ramadan, go to Hajj etc. Allah is just.

Honestly, I thought I did not hear him right all this while until he explicitly made it clear once more in this video on his stance about the Ummah of Rasul Allah S.A.W. to be ruled by those whom Allah has expressedly said DO NOT BELEIVE!
According to him in this video (from the 1:01:04 mark):

"We have an obsession with rule as Muslims. But Our job is NOT TO RULE!
We are the ummah of Al Firdaws and IF you want Al Firdaws, BE PREPARED NOT TO RULE, BUT TO BE RULED!"


This is more than gross error. This is a travesty in its full glory! How he deduced this falsity from the Quran is beyond comprehension.
Exactly! What then is the purpose of Islam?
Why then all the sacrifices of Muslims all these thousands of years?
Why don't we all pack up and swing to the "ruling" party till judgement day?
Is he saying that Allah is not just? Nauzubillah!
Allah says in the same Surah Al-Imran Q3:19 Inna deena 'inda Allahi-l- Islam (the deen recognized by Allah is Islam)......


So sura Al-Imran 55 is referring to the people that lived at the time of Jesus. Jesus true followers were superior to those who disbelieved in him. And besides, both Qur'an and Bible confirm that Jesus was sent only to his own people. This is why I begin to doubt those aHadith that speak about his second coming. They contradict Quran and they contradict themselves.

I used to translate Q43:61 as appearance of Jesus is the Sign of the Hour. I now put this view side. Allah himself took Jesus soul and he's dead... Not coming back.


Nabi Isa A.S. was never sent to the whole of mankind, rather, just to a specific ummah, as you've rightly pointed out and the way I see it, SIH is trying his best to construct a line of best fit by fiddling with the data points and axial scales! This just forces the plot/chart to fit the story.

I would like @ Shaikh AlBaqir or anyone else who is versed in grammar to kindly come do an exposition on this Ayah (Q43:61), with respect to the connective particle WAAW, when he is chanced.

Re: ...... by Empiree: 3:03pm On May 28, 2022
movado19:

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Nabi Isa A.S. was never sent to a specific ummah, as you've rightly pointed out and the way I see it, SIH is trying his best to construct a line of best fit by fiddling with the data points and axial scales! This just forces the plot/chart to fit the story.

I would like @ Shaikh AlBaqir or anyone else who is versed in grammar to kindly come do an exposition on this Ayah (Q43:61), with respect to the connective particle WAAW, when he is chanced.

I have requested for short lecture on the verse explained by Sheikh Mubarak. Hopefully I get it soon.

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Re: ...... by movado19: 3:10pm On May 28, 2022
Empiree:
I have requested for short lecture on the verse explained by Sheikh Mubarak. Hopefully I get it soon.


InshaAllah.

Re: ...... by Empiree: 4:22pm On May 28, 2022
movado19:
Yes, I also saw Shaikh Hassan Ali's rebuttal of SIH. There are other scholars who have also called his attention to what he's uttered but he insists that he is right and the ummah is/has been blind all along.
while I respect his opinion, I believe he's entitled to it because sometimes, ummah didn't get it right until someone later calls our attention to certain errors. For instance, Rajm. Rajam was truly a ruling of Allah but that was in the old Laws not QUR'AN. But for some reason, the ummah of Nabi Muhammad SAW believe the ruling still exist in the Quran but the Ayah has been removed. This is what the ummah believe. This is very incorrect. The Hudud in the Quran is now flogging not stoning. So sheikh Imran is right on this but doesn't mean he's right as the time.



In all honesty, he says that but then doesn't leave room for others to ask him questions that seem challenging. When this happens, he gets into a fit which is not okay for anyone, how much more a scholar.
exactly... This shows that you really you his lectures. He get upset. This isn't cool. Does he think only salafis are against him.



Correct. The tashkeels are the ruh which power each letter consonant; as without them, they are just potentials. They cannot be divorced from the letters orally or in written form, therefore, when reciting the Quran, one will hear their presence and also when written, one will see their presence.
Hence the beauty of being able to correctly verify what one hears by seeing and verify what one sees by hearing.
Absolutely... So, as far as I am concerned, لَعِلْمٌۭ is correct. The Ayah is similar to Sura Hajj vs 78

"It is He Who has named you Muslims both before and in this (the Qur'an),..."


Some interpreted He in that verse to Nabi Ibrahim (as). If that's the case, who named Muslims before Ibrahim (as)?. Similarly, Ayah 61 of sura Zhukhruf refers to Allah's knowledge of the Hour not Jesus because I'm Christian bible in the book of Matthew 24:36


Jesus reported to have said:


"But about that Day or Hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.



Honestly, I thought I did not hear him right all this while until he explicitly made it clear once more in this video on his stance about the Ummah of Rasul Allah S.A.W. to be ruled by those whom Allah has expressedly said DO NOT BELEIVE!
According to him in this video (from the 1:01:04 mark):


"We have an obsession with rule as Muslims. But Our job is NOT TO RULE!
We are the ummah of Al Firdaws and IF you want Al Firdaws, BE PREPARED NOT TO RULE, BUT TO BE RULED!"



This is more than gross error. This is a travesty in its full glory! How he deduced this falsity from the Quran is beyond comprehension.
Exactly! What then is the purpose of Islam?
Why then all the sacrifices of Muslims all these thousands of years?
Why don't we all pack up and swing to the "ruling" party till judgement day?
Is he saying that Allah is not just? Nauzubillah!
Allah says in the same Surah Al-Imran Q3:19 Inna deena 'inda Allahi-l- Islam (the deen recognized by Allah is Islam)......
You see now...gross error indeed. You should ask him why he was so much concerned about Khilifa?. Why did he ignore other verses where Allah repeatedly said Islam will triumph?. It is because of his interpretation of Al-Imran 55 and his consistently saying Orthodox Christianity will rule over muslims that I now reject the return of Jesus. Mudir'murkaz, Ustaz Jamiu Adegunwa etc are right. And if dajjal will arrive, Allah Himself will get rid of him. He doesn't need Jesus to come and deal with dajjal. If Allah will obliterate yajuj wa majuj, how can He not destroy Dajjal?. This is why those aHadith that speak on return of Isa (as) seem to promote Christianity in my view. They portray Jesus as savior of Muslims. Pastors have use those Hadith to convert Muslims. Also sheik Imran Hussein interpretation of Al-Imran 55 is error. A pastor in Nigeria whose name is Pastor Shonibare converted to Christianity because of this Ayah. His son called his attention to the verse and he said, "wow I have been reading this Ayah for long but I didn't know that the Ayah is calling me to Christianity... So if the Ayah says followers of Jesus will be superior why don't I simply join Christianity?".

That's how he gone since then. He narrated his own story on stage. So Sheikh Imran Hussein is supporting such view as well. I have told him three times about the danger of his view . The Ayah is talking about yahud and Nassara at the time. And the believers in Jesus were later made superior to those who rejected him. Believers at the time were not Christians. When I told SIH this, he said it does6 matter whether Nassara are Christians or not. He said they believe in Jesus that's all that matters. Hence, the Ayah refers to them.

But he ignored where Allah plainly said they have disbelieve those who say Trinity or call Jesus God etc. My conclusion is, Sheikh is blind by current world affairs.

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Re: ...... by Empiree: 4:54pm On May 28, 2022
Empiree:
I have requested for short lecture on the verse explained by Sheikh Mubarak. Hopefully I get it soon.
check this out. Not sure. I'm still searching

https://www.facebook.com/100066690938924/videos/659556152003454/


Modified

https://www.facebook.com/100066690938924/videos/1163124934486796/

movado19

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Re: ...... by movado19: 7:10pm On May 28, 2022
Empiree:
while I respect his opinion, I believe he's entitled to it because sometimes, ummah didn't get it right until someone later calls our attention to certain errors. For instance, Rajm. Rajam was truly a ruling of Allah but that was in the old Laws not QUR'AN. But for some reason, the ummah of Nabi Muhammad SAW believe the ruling still exist in the Quran but the Ayah has been removed. This is what the ummah believe. This is very incorrect. The Hudud in the Quran is now flogging not stoning. So sheikh Imran is right on this but doesn't mean he's right as the time.

I remember watching his videos then on this and how he expounded on the concept and its abrogation. It helped clear the doubt I had then.
Yes, just like any human, we are all prone to errors, be it the educated or non-educated ones.



exactly... This shows that you really you his lectures. He get upset. This isn't cool. Does he think only salafis are against him.


Surah Al-Imran Q3:159 says:
"It is the mercy of Allah that you were tender to them (O Muhammad S.A.W), for if you had been stern and hard-hearted, they would have dispersed from around you......"


Even his students - I have sensed - are somewhat weary of asking questions for the fear of being rebutted and classed as those with 2rupees worth of brain/sense!
This is not the spirit of scholarship and all he will end up doing is raising a generation of mini-me's who'll parrot his style, which is already happening.



Absolutely... So, as far as I am concerned, لَعِلْمٌۭ is correct. The Ayah is similar to Sura Hajj vs 78

"It is He Who has named you Muslims both before and in this (the Qur'an),..."


Ma Sha Allah! This verse you have cited is a verse of assurance and certainty, in my view because it deftly puts aside the argument that the Nassaras are the true followers of Isa A.S., as purported by SIH. It has always been Islam/Muslims, ab initio.
Infact, what SIH is pandering is in great contrast to the meaning of LA ILLAHA ILLA ALLAH - Allah is saying one thing and he is saying another.


May Allah save us from the spirit of arrogance and spiritual ego. Amin.
May what we strive to build all the years of our lives not be pulled down by our whims and self-adoration. Amin.


Some interpreted He in that verse to Nabi Ibrahim (as). If that's the case, who named Muslims before Ibrahim (as)?. Similarly, Ayah 61 of sura Zhukhruf refers to Allah's knowledge of the Hour not Jesus because I'm Christian bible in the book of Matthew 24:36


Exactly! There's no way the "He" in that verse is referring to Nabi Ibrahim (A.S.).
There is a continous consistency in the usage of the word
(HUWA)
- "He has chosen you and has not laid upon you any hardship in religion - this is the faith of your father Ibrahim."
there is a comparison of the present people's faith to Prophet Ibrahim's A.S. faith in order to establish a continuum of Allah's Sunnatullah.
- "He has named you Muslims before this, and in this scripture, so that the messenger may be a witness about you.....
How could (he) be referring to Nabi Ibrahim A.S.? Are they saying that he is the one who named us Muslims in the Quran? How?
What other verses and ahadith do they have in support of this?
This is not in conformity with Allah's Sunnatullah, because Allah says in
Surah Al-Isra A17:77...."and you will not find any change in our way."
- "He is your protector. A blessed protector and a blessed helper!"
Are they going to also say that Nabi Ibrahim A.S. is now our protector?!


The three instances of (He - HUWA) are consistent with Allah. He chooses, names and protects/helps!



Jesus reported to have said:

"But about that Day or Hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

You see now...gross error indeed. You should ask him why he was so much concerned about Khilifa?. Why did he ignore other verses where Allah repeatedly said Islam will triumph?.

SIH has become what some could term the PR machine for the orthodox christians - I have seen several times his mild and overtly friendly manner towards them and his harshness towards the muslims. This he doesn't hide.
He recently - in an interview in the UK - spoke with three men and he told them that: "There are more sheep and cattle in Islam than in Christianity!" This is no different from someone displaying his family members in the public to be ridiculed! What for?


SIH does not believe in the triumph of Islam! I don't think people really listened to his stance on Islam/Muslims surrendering to a Christian rule till eternity in order for us to reach Firdaws, according to him!!! More like a tongue-in-cheek insult.
That statement alone has removed the curtain and things are clear to see for those who truly want to see.
Yes, he may have a wealth of education in international relations , finance and all, but I pray people do not get mesmerized by all that and forget about the main reasons for listening to him to begin with.



It is because of his interpretation of Al-Imran 55 and his consistently saying Orthodox Christianity will rule over muslims that I now reject the return of Jesus. Mudir'murkaz, Ustaz Jamiu Adegunwa etc are right.
And if dajjal will arrive, Allah Himself will get rid of him. He doesn't need Jesus to come and deal with dajjal. If Allah will obliterate yajuj wa majuj, how can He not destroy Dajjal?.


Exactly! The one who made the rules is never constrained by His rules.


This is why those aHadith that speak on return of Isa (as) seem to promote Christianity in my view. They portray Jesus as savior of Muslims. Pastors have use those Hadith to convert Muslims.

Aqidah, aqidah, aqadah!!!!
Foundation matters oh! It's not to go about shouting I am a Muslim.
See the wind that blew their way and they scattered!
May Allah bless us with eyes that see and hearts that clearly discern night from day. Amin.



Also sheik Imran Hussein interpretation of Al-Imran 55 is error. A pastor in Nigeria whose name is Pastor Shonibare converted to Christianity because of this Ayah. His son called his attention to the verse and he said, "wow I have been reading this Ayah for long but I didn't know that the Ayah is calling me to Christianity... So if the Ayah says followers of Jesus will be superior why don't I simply join Christianity?".
That's how he gone since then. He narrated his own story on stage.

Shaikh Empiree, wallah those people who are in this category as the pastor above, if you dig deeper, you will most likely find the following:
1. No strong Islamic foundation. Without this, everything else crumbles.
2. A case of parroting those around. My shaikh said, my Imam said, etc
3. There is no tafakkur concerning their lives, their hearts, the Quran they read - if any at all, what they are told/fed, etc.
4. Mechanical understanding of the Quran. Non-inquisitive nature as to what they read and why they read it.
5. Little to zero research on deen.



So Sheikh Imran Hussein is supporting such view as well. I have told him three times about the danger of his view . The Ayah is talking about yahud and Nassara at the time. And the believers in Jesus were later made superior to those who rejected him. Believers at the time were not Christians.

Very true. Christianity was a later development.
SIH will not accord you any importance. I have seen the arrogance ooze in his speeches and relations with other people.
He recently said that no one can go any higher that where he has in his eschatological scholarship!
I pray he self-reflects because like he keeps saying, he is an old man in his 80's and could be called by Allah at any time.
I have no doubt benefited immensely from him in the past and I pray that Allah blesses and aids him in the true direction.
Just like money and power, knowledge definitely intoxicates and if not careful, could lead one out of the folds of Islam.
Everything that we have are gifts and simultaneously tests from Allah. We should never forget that!



When I told SIH this, he said it does6 matter whether Nassara are Christians or not. He said they believe in Jesus that's all that matters. Hence, the Ayah refers to them.

Look at that!
How doesn't it matter when his utterances are leading people off the cliff!
That is such a crucial and pivotal concept and he just brushed it away in order not to engage with you!
Is he going to say that he is not aware of Allah's vehemence against trinity in the Quran?
Thank God, the trinity ayahs are clear even for the lay man to understand and don't require Ta'wil.
He desperately wants his views to fit but that's not how Allah operates.

Surah At-Takwir Q81:29 Allah says: "You shall not will except as Allah wills......"


But he ignored where Allah plainly said they have disbelieve those who say Trinity or call Jesus God etc. My conclusion is, Sheikh is blind by current world affairs.


His accuracy in world geopolitical events - which he MaSha Allah clearly has knowledge in - has made him throw caution to the wind and thus become heavily inebriated.

Wallah, unless one holds firmly to Allah, the siren song of this world in the form of praises, followers, knowledge, monetary wealth, influence, etc can render one feeling at par with Allah or believing one to be immune to the traps of the nafs, not knowing that the next step could be the one down the high and steep cliff.

May Allah guide him and everyone of us to imbibe the spirit of humility and our end be superior to our beginning, Amin.



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Re: ...... by Empiree: 9:00pm On May 28, 2022
I have just got time to watch the video. Pretty much not new from what he has been saying in recent years. I asked him a question about solitary Hadith. The Hadith is very known so I won't quote it but I will paraphrase it. The Hadith says the Jews and the Christians took the graves of their prophets as places of worship. Question is, who was the Prophet of Nassara?. I threw this question to sheikh over 2 years ago but he never replied to this specific question.

Speaking of tashreek, Sheikh said if Ibn Abass(ra) could recite the Ayah La alam then we can not fault him. My observation is, it is character of Sheikh to reject or doubt solitary Hadith. So why now sheikh accepted this solitary Hadith over entire ummah?. As we all know, Quran was reviewed with Nabi Muhammad few times before his demise. So, is Sheikh telling us that only Ibn Abass was right in the exact pronunciation and the rest were wrong?. He also contradicted himself when he said it was the later ummah that applied tashkeel wrongly on la ilm instead la alam. If that's the case, why was tashkeels not the problem for the entire ummah in the time of Sahaba?. Why only verse 61 singled out?.

movado19:
How could (he) be referring to Nabi Ibrahim A.S.? Are they saying that he is the one who named us Muslims in the Quran? How?
What other verses and ahadith do they have in support of this?

This was done years ago. I used to see some muslims and even a translated QUR'AN placed Ibrahim in parentheses. I had to correct them.




SIH has become what some could term the PR machine for the orthodox christians - I have seen several times his mild and overtly friendly manner towards them and his harshness towards the muslims. This he doesn't hide.
He recently - in an interview in the UK - spoke with three men and he told them that: "There are more sheep and cattle in Islam than in Christianity!" This is no different from someone displaying his family members in the public to be ridiculed! What for?
I commented about this issue with him years ago. I told him that he's now doing what he condemned Harun Yahya of over 15 years ago. The video should be on YouTube still. He accused Harun Yahya of promoting fraternal relationship btw Islam and CHRISTIANITY as one religion and warned his students to be cautious of him. That, because of Harun Yahya's approach, western world promoted him as Islamic scholar. He's now doing the same.

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