do4luv14:



you are not getting it do you, remember Rome wasn't built in a day, those london clubs started as an hubbies, then an opportunity presented itself, then the workers decides to assist the kids by not just buying them boots and kits

also forming a club for them to play the game, they contribute and promote the club, even soliciting for assistance from individuals and the likes, it was not a one man factor, it was an individual one,

So no need to start lamenting about buses, players salaries, and the likes, first thing first, and others will follow gradually,

And that's how those london and European clubs became big and a brand

komekn:


Once again your complete lack of knowledge and understanding makrs you be say a lot of nonsense to be honest.

Do you know how many thousands of boys go on football trials at Chelsea but fail to get selected. Some become mentally depressed.

For your information Mbappe was on trial at Chelsea but failed to get selected.

If you by a miracle get past the trials ,you ate now in continuous competition year in year out. Every year a 20% of boys are dropped from the squad, could be more. Some are so depressed at being dropped and released they commit suicide.

When you get to 12/13 Chelsea will buy teenage football players showing potential. These new players from Brazil, France, Portugal, etc May cancel out existing players in the team and they will be released.

So you have survived until 15/16 you now have to prove you are first team quality. You will be competing against experienced quality proven players bought for sometimes £50 million plus+.

Add to all that the hard work , training since the age of 7

If you then somehow overcome 4/5 times a week gruelling training , After all these hurdles you then discover the manager doesn't like you or your agent and you are released i.e. Pogba released from United.

I could go on and on , do you know how many players get injured and can no longer continue end of the road ❓ What about racism Do you know how many players are denied opportunity because they are black.


So by sheer tenacity, outstanding ability and the Grace of God, you make it to the first team. Will anybody unless they are highly ignorant say to you, you had too much opportunity.

That's a nonsensical proposition without any substance.

do4luv14:



you are not getting it do you, remember Rome wasn't built in a day, those london clubs started as an hubbies, then an opportunity presented itself, then the workers decides to assist the kids by not just buying them boots and kits

also forming a club for them to play the game, they contribute and promote the club, even soliciting for assistance from individuals and the likes, it was not a one man factor, it was an individual one,

So no need to start lamenting about buses, players salaries, and the likes, first thing first, and others will follow gradually,

And that's how those london and European clubs became big and a brand

TheGoodJoe:


What is infantile? Opportunity is part of football. If you get a chance and you have it, you can do well. If you do not get the chance, you will take time to blow.

Being English and from Chelsea academy is one of the reasons Tammy broke into Chelsea earlier. That gave him the chance to show his talent. Lampard also gave him that opportunity to show his work.

So, when they are talking of HISTORY, that Tammy has scored 100 goals and Osimhen has not, it is actually infantile to forget about that Opportunity played a part in Tammy having an early start. It is also neglect the fact of Osimhen also battling injuries, coming from a tough background to have the kind of start Tammy had.

This is a fact, and this is football. If you want balanced analysis, you take as much factors as you can. Not jus saying that someone has scored this amount of goals over the years.

Odunayaw:
I believe Nigerians are good dreamers

We think systems appear out of thin air or maybe they're downloaded out of Goggle Cloud

Systems, especially working ones take sweat, tears and blood...Not to mention years

We do alot of wishes here only. Look at our ex footballers for example. Punditry is easier for them than doing the work of developing grassroot football

Before anyone asks me if that is their job. It is not their job, but perhaps what if they took it as an investment.

If money were the motivational factor alone, we'd have achieved acres of success

TheGoodJoe:


What is infantile? Opportunity is part of football. If you get a chance and you have it, you can do well. If you do not get the chance, you will take time to blow.

Being English and from Chelsea academy is one of the reasons Tammy broke into Chelsea earlier. That gave him the chance to show his talent. Lampard also gave him that opportunity to show his work.

So, when they are talking of HISTORY, that Tammy has scored 100 goals and Osimhen has not, it is actually infantile to forget about that Opportunity played a part in Tammy having an early start. It is also neglect the fact of Osimhen also battling injuries, coming from a tough background to have the kind of start Tammy had.

This is a fact, and this is football. If you want balanced analysis, you take as much factors as you can. Not jus saying that someone has scored this amount of goals over the years.

drDoom3:


The reason it looks competitive is that many parents want to cash out and throw untalented kids in. Some kids mistake passion for talent, making their parents put them in those academies. However, if you are as talented as you should be, you will make it pro.

In Nigeria, even the talented ones don't have the opportunity. Most of these boys you see making waves in Europe (Awoniyi, Osimhen and co.) if you hear their stories you'd notice that it was mostly luck (one day they were playing and a scout just saw them or something) combined with sheer tenacity (trekking for hours to train, begging for transport money etc). They all had lucky breaks. It is very difficult to see English born players that faced similar problems in terms of how bleak it was (e.g. maybe Aribo).

Odunayaw:
I believe Nigerians are good dreamers

We think systems appear out of thin air or maybe they're downloaded out of Goggle Cloud

Systems, especially working ones take sweat, tears and blood...Not to mention years

We do alot of wishes here only. Look at our ex footballers for example. Punditry is easier for them than doing the work of developing grassroot football

Before anyone asks me if that is their job. It is not their job, but perhaps what if they took it as an investment.

If money were the motivational factor alone, we'd have achieved acres of success

JohnBullMySon:
That's not how it works. You can't just get into an academy because you want to. An academy will have to sign you after you prove yourself in trials. That's why they pay you stipends.

Then imagine that after you make it in trials, only a tiny miniscule fraction still get to play professionally. The percentage that will even play in the premier league can be safely approximated to zero.

Maybe you people think professional football is easy because you watch it on tv. Most top tier players can consistently target a small area of the goal in training, dash through the field in 11 seconds, make extremely sharp turns without getting injured. You think those things are easy?

I can agree that aspiring players may not get access to world class training and coaching facilities to hone their skills, but you see all these stories about having one badass player in Mbaise who is better than Ronaldo but no one can help him with an opportunity. That's dumb AF.

chrisooblog:
Those thousands of boys can still join other clubs in the EPL, championship and League 1 whose quality is still way ahead of anything you will get in Nigeria.

Those lower league English clubs will still give any truly talented player a platform to succeed. Plus the superior football education in countries like England will have equipped some of them to do well if they are truly talented.

Nigerian born talents more often than not can only rely on sheer talent because they football basics are either poor or non existent. I read a story of how when Kanu first joined Ajax from Nigeria he had poor fundamentals to the extent even for throw-ins he displayed some ignorance on the proper way to execute it and this is some one with outrageous talent o!.

Being born in a European country is not an automatic recipe for success but boy does it boost your chances. Some one like Nwakali who you rightly criticizes who knows if he was born in a place like Spain or France quality coaching from when he was 10 upwards would have ironed out the kinks in his game. I have read of clubs in Germany that use special training simulations that improves youngsters techniques because he does it so often it becomes muscle memory. Pray tell how do you want a Nigerian youngster who only plays 'set' to compete?

TheLoneCitizen:
The lad who started crowd funding for Dessers has been threatened with death.

Man didn't read the rules.

TheGoodJoe:


Keep in mind that we have many people that have put in blood, sweat and tears for the good of the country.

Kashimawo Laloko for instance was behind the rise of lots of quality talents, both home based and overseas. He was the brain box behind the Pepsi football academy that led to the discovery of the likes of Mikel Obi and Osaze Odemwingie.

I told you about Coach Monday Sinclair who put in so much work in the grassroot. Imagine picking and training a young boy with the goal of replacing Stephen Keshi. The boy later became a kingpin in our defence and voted best defender in the Serie A. That is Taribo West.

Churchill Olise put in so much work in the grassroot and discovered talents like Obafemi Martins. I think he had a hand in Victor Agali too.

We had a woman who worked hard in the grassroot of Port Harcourt. She founded the Bright Stars FC that led to the rise of Kelechi Osunwa and Akpan Bassey.

We still have many guys putting in so much work to grow football in Nigeria. We have people that have opened clubs and supported young players. We have agents like Babawo Mohammed who has done loads to help young players.

So when you use the term dreamers, I find it insulting and condescending to the efforts of many.

There was a guy in D-LIne, Palanto, who set up Palanto FC. He had his boys playing some breathtaking football. They were so good that Super Sports did a documentary on his work.

We battle a lot of vices but still many put in hard work.

What I listed up are few I have been exposed to. There are many across the nation like the man who discovered and raise Emmanuel and Celestine Babayaro.

We will keep marching but does not change that the Europeans are ahead of us.

JohnBullMySon:
When you hear that only 0.5% make it from academies, it includes even league two and the National league.

Odunayaw:
You just described action takers not dreamers. I don't see what is insulting and condescending EXCEPT you are part of the dreamers.

My post was targeting the dreaming class

Kog45:

I just don't know how things went berserk regarding sports development in Nigeria even in the 80s it wasn't like this...imagine secondary schools travelling out to represent Nigeria then...Oh my God,I remember when my school lost out to another school when America football was introduced newly,the school went to Canada on exhibition tour game.

TheGoodJoe:


Read what you posted again. Now you know there are action takers in Nigeria but tagged them dreamers.

Odunayaw:
Egbon, you and TheGoodJoe have spoken well honestly

Systems keep running because of a kind of "handing the baton" to similar minds. Do we have such today?

Philanthropy can only do so much

This is why I talked about the angle of going private. At least there is succession in the private space

Considering the rich history of sports we have and how far it has fallen, I don't think we have anybody to blame but ourselves.

TheGoodJoe:


No one is saying do not start. I am saying at the moment, it is impossible to give the kids today the kind of education their European counterparts get at a very early stage.

No one is complaining or giving up. We will do the little we can. However, that does not make it mean the kids here have equal opportunity like the kids in Europe.

do4luv14:



again what's your definition of At the moment

do4luv14:



again what's your definition of At the moment

Odunayaw:
I believe Nigerians are good dreamers

We think systems appear out of thin air or maybe they're downloaded out of Goggle Cloud

Systems, especially working ones take sweat, tears and blood...Not to mention years

We do alot of wishes here only. Look at our ex footballers for example. Punditry is easier for them than doing the work of developing grassroot football

Before anyone asks me if that is their job. It is not their job, but perhaps what if they took it as an investment.

If money were the motivational factor alone, we'd have achieved acres of success

JohnBullMySon:
When you hear that only 0.5% make it from academies, it includes even league two and the National league.

TheGoodJoe:


Please, at the moment is now. I do not know how to say it. Please where in Nigeria can you give a child the kind of education obtained in Barcelona academy.

do4luv14:



Thank you Ayo, that's what Joe fails to realize,

the important thing is that the workers that formed one of those same London clubs does not wait for the system, thru years of hard work, perseverance and patience they create the system theirsefs,

the Results is what we are seeing now,

TheGoodJoe:


I repeat, the discussion is 100 goals so far. If we are talking when both players have stabilized and we want to compare them, I am all for it.

However, opportunity played a big role in the early start players like Tammy get. The point might not fly in Europe because they lack zero idea of the challenges an African football kid gets.

Look at the picture below, he could not play for Arsenal because of work permit despite his immense talent. Yaya had to go on a journey which an English kid would have walked into Arsenal.

That is a fact. Our players find it tougher in the start. So that is why Tammy leads in goals.

humility33:


You're very funny

So u mean when it comes to education too...

If many Nigeria students had the opportunity, better and equipped educational institutions like what obtained in europe, they wont do better than their current state presently?

If your answer is in affirmative that they would do better....then you should know that our sports sector including football just like education, health etc has placed many young nigerians at a disadvantage position compare to kids in europe

andrewbaba44:


I am sure you wanted to say a teenage nketiah arsenal academy will bench osimhen

TheGoodJoe:


I believe an improvement in community development funding from the Federal level and also a community development sports growth map can sort this out.

But, our greedy politicians will not allow us work. I know what I have seen in this country working under politician controlled programs.

do4luv14:




sir Joe it's this high standards that you always use that makes you to see what lay beyond,

I asked you a question, you went and bring Xavi academy card, and Barcelona Academy, it's no longer an opportunity, or system,

it's now about barca academy right, yet you forget to realize that, that same academy was born out of an opportunity, and thru years and d
century of sweats and hard work, it is where it is today

sir stick to one facts and let's dwell on it to understand what we don't,

leave Xavi and barca academy out of it thanks