As the Russia-Ukraine war continues to rage on, one clear fact is Ukrainian President, Zelensky is regarded as a World Hero. Almost every parliament he addresses he gets a standing ovation, in fact he literally request to address parliaments of different countries, when given the opportunity he almost always succeed to hoodwink them to support his country war.

But from a clearer perspective, when the dust settles, Russia-Ukraine war will go down in history as one of the most dirty war of modern history, the after effect will be so devastating.

But why is the world yielding to Ukraine inexperienced govt demands for more weapon? Because they are been emotionally blackmailed to.

Let me breakdown the trick...

First, he scared them with this war will spread through out Europe and the world (he relates it to the national crisis particulate to his audience e.g. September 11 to Americans, famine to Ireland, holocaust to Isreal).... Then he offer them the solution to avoid the crisis... More free weapon to his country.
He reinforces the fear by portraying Ukraine as the last line of defense, that if Ukraine falls the whole Europe will fall.

And naturally, left leaning EU leaders are very emotional and vulnerable to Manipulation so the fall.

Country like Hungary, India, Brazil, south Africa knows it's all bullsh*t and are not sway by words and know for a fact that at end of all the noise, the world will return to the round table and the issue will resolve through treaties while the emotionally unstable leaders like Boris Johnson fails to see the fact that the rising cost of living in UK will guaranteed his election lost.

And after this war is over UK, Russia, US, EU and Ukraine are all co players in this war of foolishness.

After smoking marijuana see what you put in here.... you said Zelensky is inexperienced.. What then can you call your president?

A president that held a major military power at the jugular, humiliated Putin and inflicts heavy blow on her military both in men and equipments can be refers to as inexperienced.



Stop smoking weed.

Boda Kazim born in 1988 is still a toddler.
Leave Zelensky alone. Face Buhari.
Keep supporting the evil Putin. God dey watch you. You n him ll be shamed.

Toktee:
After smoking marijuana see what you put in here.... you Zelensky inexperienced.. What then can you call your president?

A president that held a major military power at the jugular, humiliated Putin and inflicts heavy blow on her military both in men and equipments can be refers to as inexperienced.



Stop smoking weed.

Ok. He also Ukraine a very prosperous country, with massive infrastructure.
As a matter of fact, 7 million of Ukrainians, mostly women have not become refugees all over the world.. no no, the country economy is booming, people are trouping in.


You my friend is a disappointment. People are dying in droves, daily, hospital and school are been destroyed daily... children are been displaced in millions... Don't you have a conscience. "Held a military power at the jugular"... at what cost? Onto what end?
What is the profit of holding the world power at the jugular to an average Ukrainian minding his business.

You need to purify your heart...

Sweetplum:
Boda Kazim born in 1988 is still a toddler.
Leave Zelensky alone. Face Buhari.
Keep supporting the evil Putin. God dey watch you. You n him ll be shamed.

In the past liberals and women use to support peace. It's one thing to "cancel" Russia from the internet but it's another thing to.support armed and bloody conflict.

It's one thing to hate Putin, it's another thing to encourage war hoping your enemy dies and your crush survives.

The sad truth is most of you have lost your mind because in war it's common man that dies not the politicians. Not Putin, Not Zelensky, Not Biden nor Boris Johnson but common civilians like you and very sadly innocent women and children are the most vulnerable.

Only idiots take the comedian seriously.

AldrichAmes:
Only idiots take the comedian seriously.

The idiots truly know themselves.
Even Russians know that the man who sank moskva is more than a comedian.

Kazim88:


Ok. He also Ukraine a very prosperous country, with massive infrastructure.
As a matter of fact, 7 million of Ukrainians, mostly women have not become refugees all over the world.. no no, the country economy is booming, people are trouping in.


You my friend is a disappointment. People are dying in droves, daily, hospital and school are been destroyed daily... children are been displaced in millions... Don't you have a conscience. "Held a military power at the jugular"... at what cost? Onto what end?
What is the profit of holding the world power at the jugular to an average Ukrainian minding his business.

You need to purify your heart...

You are trying to educate war mongers on the need to end this war?
Well
Best of luck!
I have tried but see where we are?

Kazim88:


In the past liberals and women use to support peace. It's one thing to "cancel" Russia from the internet but it's another thing to.support armed and bloody conflict.

It's one thing to hate Putin, it's another thing to encourage war hoping your enemy dies and your crush survives.

The sad truth is most of you have lost your mind because in war it's common man that dies not the politicians. Not Putin, Not Zelensky, Not Biden nor Boris Johnson but common civilians like you and very sadly innocent women and children are the most vulnerable.

Zelensky is and is a problem

Kazim88:


Ok. He also Ukraine a very prosperous country, with massive infrastructure.
As a matter of fact, 7 million of Ukrainians, mostly women have not become refugees all over the world.. no no, the country economy is booming, people are trouping in.


You my friend is a disappointment. People are dying in droves, daily, hospital and school are been destroyed daily... children are been displaced in millions... Don't you have a conscience. "Held a military power at the jugular"... at what cost? Onto what end?
What is the profit of holding the world power at the jugular to an average Ukrainian minding his business.

You need to purify your heart...

After all your post. Russia is the invader and agressor. Russia is the one bombing hospitals and residential areas.

chopnaira:

After all your post. Russia is the invader and agressor. Russia is the one bombing hospitals and residential areas.

Agreed, Russia is the aggressor and should be restrained. Absolutely
The goal of US, if they had any integrity will be to protect Ukraine by preventing/stopping the conflict with their influence but rather they decided and publicly announced their intention to use the Ukrainians misfortune to weaken Russia.

Most of you can't just think. I doubt if you snowflakes can survive the spiral effect of this elongated warfare. Soon there will riot all over Europe, Covid 19 will be a child's play

Kazim88:
As the Russia-Ukraine war continues to rage on, one clear fact is Ukrainian President, Zelensky is regarded as a World Hero. Almost every parliament he addresses he gets a standing ovation, in fact he literally request to address parliaments of different countries, when given the opportunity he almost always succeed to hoodwink them to support his country war.

But from a clearer perspective, when the dust settles, Russia-Ukraine war will go down in history as one of the most dirty war of modern history, the after effect will be so devastating.

But why is the world yielding to Ukraine inexperienced govt demands for more weapon? Because they are been emotionally blackmailed to.

Let me breakdown the trick...

First, he scared them with this war will spread through out Europe and the world (he relates it to the national crisis particulate to his audience e.g. September 11 to Americans, famine to Ireland, holocaust to Isreal).... Then he offer them the solution to avoid the crisis... More free weapon to his country.
He reinforces the fear by portraying Ukraine as the last line of defense, that if Ukraine falls the whole Europe will fall.

And naturally, left leaning EU leaders are very emotional and vulnerable to Manipulation so the fall.

Country like Hungary, India, Brazil, south Africa knows it's all bullsh*t and are not sway by words and know for a fact that at end of all the noise, the world will return to the round table and the issue will resolve through treaties while the emotionally unstable leaders like Boris Johnson fails to see the fact that the rising cost of living in UK will guaranteed his election lost.

And after this war is over UK, Russia, US, EU and Ukraine are all co players in this war of foolishness.

Bolded is correct. Russia is aggressor here. I believe Putin has more potential to influence Ukraine politically but he wants military option which he thinks he can achieve before he dies or leaves office. Diplomatic option usually takes decades to bring result.
Russia has no justification to attack Ukraine. Even after the war, regardless of outcome, seeds of hatred have been shown between. Ukraine and Russia for many generations to come. It will be like hatred between Arabs and Isreal in Palestine. Putin brought war to Eastern Europe. It wasn't smart thing to do.

Kazim88:


Ok. He also Ukraine a very prosperous country, with massive infrastructure.
As a matter of fact, 7 million of Ukrainians, mostly women have not become refugees all over the world.. no no, the country economy is booming, people are trouping in.


You my friend is a disappointment. People are dying in droves, daily, hospital and school are been destroyed daily... children are been displaced in millions... Don't you have a conscience. "Held a military power at the jugular"... at what cost? Onto what end?
What is the profit of holding the world power at the jugular to an average Ukrainian minding his business.

You need to purify your heart...

This clap back sent @Toktee into oblivion

tonididdy:

This clap back sent @Toktee into oblivion

No I am not ready to argue with pro Putin and anti west propagandists... you can't win.




They are unreasonable.

Toktee:
No I am not ready to argue with pro Putin and anti west propagandists... you can't win.




They are unreasonable.

Pffff....

Kazim88:


Ok. He also Ukraine a very prosperous country, with massive infrastructure.
As a matter of fact, 7 million of Ukrainians, mostly women have not become refugees all over the world.. no no, the country economy is booming, people are trouping in.


You my friend is a disappointment. People are dying in droves, daily, hospital and school are been destroyed daily... children are been displaced in millions... Don't you have a conscience. "Held a military power at the jugular"... at what cost? Onto what end?
What is the profit of holding the world power at the jugular to an average Ukrainian minding his business.

You need to purify your heart...

Seriously I do not know how ur heart and brain works... Ukraine is invaded by a madman what do you expect the president to do... just wait there for Putin to take over the country, remove the administration and install the person he likes as in the case of Chechnya?

Now tell me Zelensky's fault here?

Instead of condemning what Putin is doing in Ukraine you lots are busy blaming Zelensky and the west...?


The question is this... Does Ukraine attack Russia?


You Putin supporters always based your argument on NATO building bases in Ukraine..
Lets assume that or agree that Ukraine indicates interest in joining NATO, who's to blame?
You signed agreement to protect Ukraine yet same you have ever became oppressor what else do you expect Ukraine to do?

Now Russia attacked Georgia AMD Finland respectively, were the above countries also accommodates NATO base?
Which part of Ukraine accommodates NATO base when Ukraine is not a NATO member?

There was a Russia's sponsor protest I Ukraine when pro Russia's president was remove by popular uprising, this protest led a foundation for annexation of Crimea and and eastern Ukraine....... You lots were in ghost mood then, lips sealed.



Russia's sponsors Seperatives in the East to disrupt democratic principles in Ukraine.. You guys were no where to be found to condemn Russia.... that's hypocrisy.

After the fall of USSR and Independence of Ukraine Russia signed Budapest agreement of which America, Russia, and the great Britain were all signatory to that agreement never to invade Ukraine....this was the reason Ukraine gave up her 16 nukes to Russia.

Now tell me why Russia annexed Crimea, and Eastern Ukraine after signing Budapest agreement guarantee the security of same?


What is Russia doing in Ukraine now?


Remember Ukraine is a sovereign nation.

Toktee:
Seriously I do not know how ur heart and brain works... Ukraine is invaded by a madman what do you expect the president to do... just wait there for Putin to take over the country, remove the administration and install the person he likes as in the case of Chechnya?

Now tell me Zelensky's fault here?

Instead of condemning what Putin is doing in Ukraine you lots are busy blaming Zelensky and the west...?


The question is this... Does Ukraine attack Russia?


You Putin supporters always based your argument on NATO building bases in Ukraine..
Lets assume that or agree that Ukraine indicates interest in joining NATO, who's to blame?
You signed agreement to protect Ukraine yet same you have ever became oppressor what else do you expect Ukraine to do?

Now Russia attacked Georgia AMD Finland respectively, were the above countries also accommodates NATO base?
Which part of Ukraine accommodates NATO base when Ukraine is not a NATO member?

There was a Russia's sponsor protest I Ukraine when pro Russia's president was remove by popular uprising, this protest led a foundation for annexation of Crimea and and eastern Ukraine....... You lots were in ghost mood then, lips sealed.



Russia's sponsors Seperatives in the East to disrupt democratic principles in Ukraine.. You guys were no where to be found to condemn Russia.... that's hypocrisy.

After the fall of USSR and Independence of Ukraine Russia signed Budapest agreement of which America, Russia, and the great Britain were all signatory to that agreement never to invade Ukraine....this was the reason Ukraine gave up her 16 nukes to Russia.

Now tell me why Russia annexed Crimea, and Eastern Ukraine after signing Budapest agreement guarantee the security of same?


What is Russia doing in Ukraine now?


Remember Ukraine is a sovereign nation.

@ the bolded Yes. Ukraine backed extremist Army have massacred hundred of thousands of Russian speaking minorities since 2014

Why not Google "Donbas War"
Why not also Google Minsk Agreement
Why not Google "Azov Battalion"
You can also Google Odesa Genocide

This violent started 8 years ago, Zelensky was elected 2 years ago. Part of Zelensky Electoral Promises was to end the war but he was unable to, due to eternal influence of the US and internal threat of Azov Militia. He literally threatened with a coup openly if he implement the The Minsk Agreement which was signed by all parties that would guarantee peace by making Ukraine a federal system.
At a point, thinking he had the support of NATO, EU and the US he joined the bandwagon of hate against Russia Speaking Minorities in Ukraine.

Russia Federation did their practical best to find a middle ground. (Google Zelensky meet Putin), Putin told Zelensky if this violence in donbas escalate, there will be no winner but Zelensky disrespected him. They got UK and US involved, When UK Foreign Minister Liz Truss met with Lavrov, she came with threats. Lavrov was disappointed he likened their meeting as a dumb talking the deaf.

At a point Russia Federation, have to evaluate their risk, factor in the sanctions and backlash and realize they have to intervene, it was inevitable.

History will remember russia as the country that nipped ideological extremism in east Europe at the bud and the US and West as the bloc that irresponsibly funded an Open Nazi Militia out of hate for Russia and ended up losing woefully.

As for Zelensky... The only way he could had won Russia was via Media War. He believed his own hype that he could win Russia via military.
Him and his comrades are responsible for turning his countrymen to Refugees and his country to a junk yard. The US only assisted in granting their wish.

Kazim88:


@ the bolded Yes. Ukraine backed extremist Army have massacred hundred of thousands of Russian speaking minorities since 2014

Why not Google "Donbas War"
Why not also Google Minsk Agreement
Why not Google "Azov Battalion"
You can also Google Odesa Genocide

This violent started 8 years ago, Zelensky was elected 2 years ago. Part of Zelensky Electoral Promises was to end the war but he was unable to, due to eternal influence of the US and internal threat of Azov Militia. He literally threatened with a coup openly if he implement the The Minsk Agreement which was signed by all parties that would guarantee peace by making Ukraine a federal system.
At a point, thinking he had the support of NATO, EU and the US he joined the bandwagon of hate against Russia Speaking Minorities in Ukraine.

Russia Federation did their practical best to find a middle ground. (Google Zelensky meet Putin), Putin told Zelensky if this violence in donbas escalate, there will be no winner but Zelensky disrespected him. They got UK and US involved, When UK Foreign Minister Liz Truss met with Lavrov, she came with threats. Lavrov was disappointed he likened their meeting as a dumb talking the deaf.

At a point Russia Federation, have to evaluate their risk, factor in the sanctions and backlash and realize they have to intervene, it was inevitable.

History will remember russia as the country that nipped ideological extremism in east Europe at the bud and the US and West as the bloc that irresponsibly funded an Open Nazi Militia out of hate for Russia and ended up losing woefully.

As for Zelensky... The only way he could had won Russia was via Media War. He believed his own hype that he could win Russia via military.
Him and his comrades are responsible for turning his countrymen to Refugees and his country to a junk yard. The US only assisted in granting their wish.

Why not Google "Donbas War"
Why not also Google Minsk Agreement
Why not Google "Azov Battalion"
You can also Google Odesa Genocide




All the above was cause by Russia interference in Ukraine internal affairs...

Ask yourself, who was behind the crisis in Crimea?
It was Putin that orchestrated the violence as an excuse to annex Crimea..

I also refers you to read Crimea war..

The war in Ukraine started years before now.



But you are yet to answer my question of the BUDAPEST ACCORD?

And remember Above battalion was formed in 2014 during the Russia's war in the area.. the battalion was responsible for rooting out pro Russia's Seperatives in and around azov sea.


I awaits your response on Budapest accord before I proceed.

Toktee:





Why not Google "Donbas War"
Why not also Google Minsk Agreement
Why not Google "Azov Battalion"
You can also Google Odesa Genocide




All the above was cause by Russia interference in Ukraine internal affairs...

Ask yourself, who was behind the crisis in Crimea?
It was Putin that orchestrated the violence as an excuse to annex Crimea..

I also refers you to read Crimea war..

The war in Ukraine started years before now.



But you are yet to answer my question of the BUDAPEST ACCORD?

And remember Above battalion was formed in 2014 during the Russia's war in the area.. the battalion was responsible for rooting out pro Russia's Seperatives in and around azov sea.


I awaits your response on Budapest accord before I proceed.

Let me start with bolded. What you just wrote is a lot deeper. "Rooting out pro Russia separatist" requires a serious act of aggression that involve enough bloodshed and radicalisation, So don't tell me Ukraine is innocent.
The best and only way to tackle separatist agitation is through negotiation and federation. And if both fail, then referendum. And many at times majority will vote no as in the case of Scotland or Yes as in the case of Kosovo rooting pro Russian separatist is like beating a child in front of his mother, you better be stronger than the mother.

The interpretation of Budapest Agreement to denuclearize Ukraine by the Russia, US and UK was to keep Ukraine absolutely neutral. Hungary is in Nato, EU but have a balance and practical approach to geopolitics.
You can't be too pro EU or too pro national or too pro Russia. You have to balance it.

But the sad truth is that the Army of Ukraine became radicalised (extreme Right Wing), they commited lots of attrocities, the Ukrainian Moderate could not do anything, the liberal US saw the Azov as opportunity to weaken russia, they also Underrated Russia resolve to attack first and their resolve to maneuver US sanctions.
this conflict was inevitable.

The west was and is still underrating Russia.. else why would they imagine Ukraine will win Russia in an Arm conflict under any condition? Even 3 month down the war
Why would they assume russia will not nuke Uk first and wait for the consequence if provoked?
Why would they think russia would not hit them back with sanctions (especially Japan and Bulgaria) ?
why would they think they could replace russia "corporation in terms of regional and intl security, oil and gas, climate and Space overnight.

Like what the Rtd Germany Navy General said, All Russia is asking for is respect but the west arrogantly think Russia is Africa.

Kazim88:


Let me start with bolded. What you just wrote is a lot deeper. "Rooting out pro Russia separatist" requires a serious act of aggression that involve enough bloodshed and radicalisation, So don't tell me Ukraine is innocent.
The best and only way to tackle separatist agitation is through negotiation and federation. And if both fail, then referendum. And many at times majority will vote no as in the case of Scotland or Yes as in the case of Kosovo rooting pro Russian separatist is like beating a child in front of his mother, you better be stronger than the mother.

The interpretation of Budapest Agreement to denuclearize Ukraine by the Russia, US and UK was to keep Ukraine absolutely neutral. Hungary is in Nato, EU but have a balance and practical approach to geopolitics.
You can't be too pro EU or too pro national or too pro Russia. You have to balance it.

But the sad truth is that the Army of Ukraine became radicalised (extreme Right Wing), they commited lots of attrocities, the Ukrainian Moderate could not do anything, the liberal US saw the Azov as opportunity to weaken russia, they also Underrated Russia resolve to attack first and their resolve to maneuver US sanctions.
this conflict was inevitable.

The west was and is still underrating Russia.. else why would they imagine Ukraine will win Russia in an Arm conflict under any condition? Even 3 month down the war
Why would they assume russia will not nuke Uk first and wait for the consequence if provoked?
Why would they think russia would not hit them back with sanctions (especially Japan and Bulgaria) ?
why would they think they could replace russia "corporation in terms of regional and intl security, oil and gas, climate and Space overnight.

Like what the Rtd Germany Navy General said, All Russia is asking for is respect but the west arrogantly think Russia is Africa.

Let me pursue it this way.... the pro Russians in donbass, Odessa etc never asked for referendum..

Russia have interest in Ukraine hence the need to abandoned Budapest accord.

Russia never pressured Russia speakers to ask for referendum instead they were armed by Russia to distabilse Ukraine.

Remember Ukraine abandoned socialism embraced democracy this was not welcomed by Russia.


Russia dis everything possible to render Ukraine army incapable of defending itself this can be seen the way and speed that Russia annexed Crimea.


About Ukraine winning the war i think you should understand Russia aims from beginning of the invasion.. to captured kyiev, remove Zelensky and reinstall the the fugitive former president hiding in Moscow... but that have failed.

The aim od capturing Kyiv as soon as possible also failed.


The battle in the East and else where is also not going as plan hence the news to destroy infrastructures.


Concerning first nuclear strike you and me know well that even a madman cannot not try that... Moscow will become wasteland in a matter PF hours from allies nukes

Putin in all his madness is well aware of that.


Putin is to blame in this war.. since the fall of Soviet Union Russia fixed her eyes on donbass, Crimea etc, all other deasons for invasion is all but lies.

Now...

Putin said he's in Ukraine to root out Nazism, where can nazist be found in Ukraine?


He wait he invaded Ukraine because Ukraine want to join NATO, what then was the reason for the 2014 invasion?


He said he invades Ukraine to get rid of bio labs where America and Ukraine were producing bio weapons, how you seen one?

Please. don't be economical with truth.

Toktee:
Let me pursue it this way.... the pro Russians in donbass, Odessa etc never asked for referendum..

Russia have interest in Ukraine hence the need to abandoned Budapest accord.

Russia never pressured Russia speakers to ask for referendum instead they were armed by Russia to distabilse Ukraine.

Remember Ukraine abandoned socialism embraced democracy this was not welcomed by Russia.


Russia dis everything possible to render Ukraine army incapable of defending itself this can be seen the way and speed that Russia annexed Crimea.


About Ukraine winning the war i think you should understand Russia aims from beginning of the invasion.. to captured kyiev, remove Zelensky and reinstall the the fugitive former president hiding in Moscow... but that have failed.

The aim od capturing Kyiv as soon as possible also failed.


The battle in the East and else where is also not going as plan hence the news to destroy infrastructures.


Concerning first nuclear strike you and me know well that even a madman cannot not try that... Moscow will become wasteland in a matter PF hours from allies nukes

Putin in all his madness is well aware of that.


Putin is to blame in this war.. since the fall of Soviet Union Russia fixed her eyes on donbass, Crimea etc, all other deasons for invasion is all but lies.

Now...

Putin said he's in Ukraine to root out Nazism, where can nazist be found in Ukraine?


He wait he invaded Ukraine because Ukraine want to join NATO, what then was the reason for the 2014 invasion?


He said he invades Ukraine to get rid of bio labs where America and Ukraine were producing bio weapons, how you seen one?

Please. don't be economical with truth.

I will save this our conversation. 1 year from today, we will see the result of the events of this period.

Kazim88:


I will save this our conversation. 1 year from today, we will see the result of the events of this period.

well i love your maturity in responding to arguments shall....

As a student of History/international studies i strives hard to research every event from the roots.

You guys called him a dumb comedian who was bound to be decimated in days. We are heading towards the third month and you are busy lamenting now. Mother Russia have things in control, fret not.

Like I posted.
US led NATO, UK and Ukraine underestimated Russia economical and Military Capacity.
They also believed their own propaganda.

8 years of NATO planning this war and they failed.

The problem right now is US & EU don't know what to do with the current situation.
They can't stop the conflict, they can't ask Ukraine to concede Donbas, they can't ask anything from Russia after burning all the linked bridges, they can't send more weapon because Ukraine new conscripts can't use them plus global economy is about to crash.

The worst part is: Russia, Ukraine, EU and US are fully distracted by this war but only Russia is using the event positively the rest are totally confused.

Vado:
You guys called him a dumb comedian who was bound to be decimated in days. We are heading towards the third month and you are busy lamenting now. Mother Russia have things in control, fret not.

This conflict is intentionally being dragged to the next winter by russia. So 3 month is too soon.

Infact, The battle of Odesa is yet to fully commence.

Toktee:
;Dwell i love your maturity in responding to arguments shall....

As a student of History/international studies i strives hard to research every event from the roots.

As a student of history, seriously you know nothing...

Toktee:
;Dwell i love your maturity in responding to arguments shall....

As a student of History/international studies i strives hard to research every event from the roots.

As a student of history, seriously you know nothing...