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Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by AntiChristian: 11:19am On May 18, 2022
I read a post where Rev. Yinka Yusuf claimed President Muhammad Buhari blasphemed by calling Jesus a Prophet. He continued in the video that Jesus is too big to be a Prophet, Jesus never called himself a Prophet, The Jews called him a Prophet, etc. https://www.nairaland.com/7130683/blasphemy-rev-yinka-yusuf-faults

But mind you, Jesus didn't call himself God anywhere in the Bible. The fact that Jesus worshiped God many times in the Bible buttresses this point.

More so, Muslims believe Jesus to be a Prophet according to the Islamic Books. So how is that blasphemy?

The Reverend also said in the video " How can Jesus be a Prophet? A Prophet is a messenger. Who would he be a messenger to?"

But on the contrary we found the verses below:

1. Jesus said, "I was sent only to the people of Israel! Matthew 15:24

2.Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John 17:3

3. “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” Matthew 24:36

4. But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Mark 13:32

This is a definite proof that the Final Hour is unknown to any but God, thus Jesus’ knowledge is imperfect like all other men; God Alone is All-Knowing, Omniscient.

5. “And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face and prayed, saying, ‘O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as Thou wilt.’ “ Matthew 26:39

We note here that the person speaking is unaware of God’s Will and realizes the fact that he is a servant of God. He (God) Alone can cause the change.

6And finally the Prophecy of Moses in Deuteronomy 18:18 where Yahweh says:
I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him.

If Jesus fulfilled this Prophecy how is Jesus not a Prophet?
So what was the Reverend saying?

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Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by AllahIsGarbage: 12:15pm On May 18, 2022
grin It's always amusing when animals try to pretend that they understand more than the human beings who are their masters.

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Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by AntiChristian: 3:14pm On May 18, 2022
AllahIsGarbage:
grin It's always amusing when animals try to pretend that they understand more than the human beings who are their masters.

I think it's more appropriate to check your moniker and the attached from Hausa Bible.
Well, you have no shame before.


Allah ya Halicci Duniya ya kuma Halicci Mutum (Genesis 1:1-10 in Hausa) 10 Verses 11 Allah mentioned And see your moniker!

1A sa'ad da Allah ya fara halittar Sama da duniya, 2duniya ba ta da siffa, sarari ce kawai, duhu kuwa yana lulluɓe da fuskar zurfin teku, Ruhun Allah kuma yana shawagi bisa ruwayen. 3[b]Allah[/b] ya ce, “Bari haske ya kasance,” sai kuwa ya kasance. 4 Allah ya ga hasken yana da kyau. Allah ya raba tsakanin hasken da duhu, 5ya ce da hasken, “Yini,” duhu kuwa, “Dare.” Ga maraice, ga safiya, kwana ɗaya ke nan.
6[b]Allah[/b] ya ce, “Bari sarari ya kasance tsakanin ruwaye, don ya raba tsakaninsu.” 7[b]Allah[/b] kuwa ya yi sarari, ya kuma raba tsakanin ruwayen da suke ƙarƙashin sararin da ruwayen da suke birbishin sararin. Haka nan kuwa ya kasance. 8. Allah ya ce da sarari, “Sararin sama.” Ga maraice, ga safiya, kwana na biyu ke nan.
9.Allah kuwa ya ce, “Bari ruwayen da suke ƙarƙashin sararin su tattaru wuri ɗaya, bari kuma sandararriyar ƙasa ta bayyana.” Haka nan kuwa ya kasance. 10 Allah ya ce da sandararriyar ƙasar, “Duniya,” tattaruwan ruwayen da aka tara kuwa, ya ce da su, “Tekuna.” Allah ya ga yana da kyau.

Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by AllahIsGarbage: 3:34pm On May 18, 2022
It's far more appropriate to check my moniker from the book of mediocrity and lies called the koran!


AntiChristian:


I think it's more appropriate to check your moniker and the attached from Hausa Bible.
Well, you have no shame before.


Allah ya Halicci Duniya ya kuma Halicci Mutum (Genesis 1:1-10 in Hausa) 10 Verses 11 Allah mentioned And see your moniker!

1A sa'ad da Allah ya fara halittar Sama da duniya, 2duniya ba ta da siffa, sarari ce kawai, duhu kuwa yana lulluɓe da fuskar zurfin teku, Ruhun Allah kuma yana shawagi bisa ruwayen. 3[b]Allah[/b] ya ce, “Bari haske ya kasance,” sai kuwa ya kasance. 4 Allah ya ga hasken yana da kyau. Allah ya raba tsakanin hasken da duhu, 5ya ce da hasken, “Yini,” duhu kuwa, “Dare.” Ga maraice, ga safiya, kwana ɗaya ke nan.
6[b]Allah[/b] ya ce, “Bari sarari ya kasance tsakanin ruwaye, don ya raba tsakaninsu.” 7[b]Allah[/b] kuwa ya yi sarari, ya kuma raba tsakanin ruwayen da suke ƙarƙashin sararin da ruwayen da suke birbishin sararin. Haka nan kuwa ya kasance. 8. Allah ya ce da sarari, “Sararin sama.” Ga maraice, ga safiya, kwana na biyu ke nan.
9.Allah kuwa ya ce, “Bari ruwayen da suke ƙarƙashin sararin su tattaru wuri ɗaya, bari kuma sandararriyar ƙasa ta bayyana.” Haka nan kuwa ya kasance. 10 Allah ya ce da sandararriyar ƙasar, “Duniya,” tattaruwan ruwayen da aka tara kuwa, ya ce da su, “Tekuna.” Allah ya ga yana da kyau.

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Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by cornelboy(f): 4:03pm On May 18, 2022
AntiChristian:
I read a post where Rev. Yinka Yusuf claimed President Muhammad Buhari blasphemed by calling Jesus a Prophet. He continued in the video that Jesus is too big to be a Prophet, Jesus never called himself a Prophet, The Jews called him a Prophet, etc. https://www.nairaland.com/7130683/blasphemy-rev-yinka-yusuf-faults

But mind you, Jesus didn't call himself God anywhere in the Bible. The fact that Jesus worshiped God many times in the Bible buttresses this point.

More so, Muslims believe Jesus to be a Prophet according to the Islamic Books. So how is that blasphemy?

The Reverend also said in the video " How can Jesus be a Prophet? A Prophet is a messenger. Who would he be a messenger to?"

But on the contrary we found the verses below:

1. Jesus said, "I was sent only to the people of Israel! Matthew 15:24

2.Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John 17:3

3. “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” Matthew 24:36

4. But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Mark 13:32

This is a definite proof that the Final Hour is unknown to any but God, thus Jesus’ knowledge is imperfect like all other men; God Alone is All-Knowing, Omniscient.

5. “And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face and prayed, saying, ‘O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as Thou wilt.’ “ Matthew 26:39

We note here that the person speaking is unaware of God’s Will and realizes the fact that he is a servant of God. He (God) Alone can cause the change.

6And finally the Prophecy of Moses in Deuteronomy 18:18 where Yahweh says:
I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him.

If Jesus fulfilled this Prophecy how is Jesus not a Prophet?
So what was the Reverend saying?
It's not blasphemy.
Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by AllahIsSatan: 4:10pm On May 18, 2022
Why not respond to how your stupidity has been exposed?


AntiChristian:


I think it's more appropriate to check your moniker and the attached from Hausa Bible.
Well, you have no shame before.


Allah ya Halicci Duniya ya kuma Halicci Mutum (Genesis 1:1-10 in Hausa) 10 Verses 11 Allah mentioned And see your moniker!

1A sa'ad da Allah ya fara halittar Sama da duniya, 2duniya ba ta da siffa, sarari ce kawai, duhu kuwa yana lulluɓe da fuskar zurfin teku, Ruhun Allah kuma yana shawagi bisa ruwayen. 3[b]Allah[/b] ya ce, “Bari haske ya kasance,” sai kuwa ya kasance. 4 Allah ya ga hasken yana da kyau. Allah ya raba tsakanin hasken da duhu, 5ya ce da hasken, “Yini,” duhu kuwa, “Dare.” Ga maraice, ga safiya, kwana ɗaya ke nan.
6[b]Allah[/b] ya ce, “Bari sarari ya kasance tsakanin ruwaye, don ya raba tsakaninsu.” 7[b]Allah[/b] kuwa ya yi sarari, ya kuma raba tsakanin ruwayen da suke ƙarƙashin sararin da ruwayen da suke birbishin sararin. Haka nan kuwa ya kasance. 8. Allah ya ce da sarari, “Sararin sama.” Ga maraice, ga safiya, kwana na biyu ke nan.
9.Allah kuwa ya ce, “Bari ruwayen da suke ƙarƙashin sararin su tattaru wuri ɗaya, bari kuma sandararriyar ƙasa ta bayyana.” Haka nan kuwa ya kasance. 10 Allah ya ce da sandararriyar ƙasar, “Duniya,” tattaruwan ruwayen da aka tara kuwa, ya ce da su, “Tekuna.” Allah ya ga yana da kyau.
Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by AntiChristian: 5:24pm On May 18, 2022
I shouldn't respond to fools and blockhead nonentities who abuses Allah yet uses it in their Bible when it pleases them.
Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by AntiChristian: 5:24pm On May 18, 2022
cornelboy:

It's not blasphemy.

You be JW na!
Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by cornelboy(f): 6:47pm On May 18, 2022
AntiChristian:


You be JW na!

Well, we also believe he was more than a prophet. He's God's begotten son!

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Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by cornelboy(f): 7:05pm On May 18, 2022
AntiChristian:
I shouldn't respond to fools and blockhead nonentities who abuses Allah yet uses it in their Bible when it pleases them.
Let's finish this here .
Allah is the Arabic word for God just like El in Hebrew.
Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by AntiChristian: 5:18am On May 19, 2022
cornelboy:

Let's finish this here .
Allah is the Arabic word for God just like El in Hebrew.



Do you worship Allah? Is Allah Jehovah?
Does an average Hausa believe Allah has a son?
Is Jesus's wine grape juice as portrayed in the Hausa Bible?
Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by AntiChristian: 5:20am On May 19, 2022
cornelboy:


Well, we also believe he's more than a prophet. He's God's begotten son!

So who does the prophecy of Deuteronomy 18 apply to? Which Prophet is like Moses?
Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by cornelboy(f): 6:34am On May 19, 2022
AntiChristian:

So who does the prophecy of Deuteronomy 18 apply to? Which Prophet is like Moses?

Luke 24:44
[44]Then he said, “When I was with you before, I told you that everything written about me in the law of Moses and the prophets and in the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

John 5:46
[46]If you really believed Moses, you would believe me, because he wrote about me.

Not only Moses wrote about Jesus, other prophets wrote about him too.
See Jesus Christ is unique. He wasn't like every other prophet. He had a preexistence before he became a human.

Every other prophet was born normally through copulation while Jesus who was a spirit being in heaven (every creature in heaven is spirit being) was transferred to Mary's womb miraculously by God.

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Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by cornelboy(f): 6:46am On May 19, 2022
AntiChristian:


Do you worship Allah? Is Allah Jehovah?
Does an average Hausa believe Allah has a son?
Is Jesus's wine grape juice as portrayed in the Hausa Bible?
We talking about Allah/God here not what an average Hausa believe or grape juice.

I think we need to read some history about the usage of Allah for God in the Bible first. Let's find out whether Arab Christians before Mohammed brought Islam and emphasize on the oneness of Allah were already using Allah in their Bible.
Also why Abdullah Mohammed's father name means "servant of Allah". To me, the name Abdullah is a prove already that people before Mohammed's time were already used to Allah. Why? Because they generally call any God Allah.
Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by AntiChristian: 8:48am On May 19, 2022
cornelboy:

We talking about Allah/God here not what an average Hausa believe or grape juice.

I think we need to read some history about the usage of Allah for God in the Bible first. Let's find out whether Arab Christians before Mohammed brought Islam and emphasize on the oneness of Allah were already using Allah in their Bible.
Also why Abdullah Mohammed's father name means "servant of Allah". To me, the name Abdullah is a prove already that people before Mohammed's time were already used to Allah. Why? Because they generally call any God Allah.

The topic is about God particular "Elohim" being used for Humans, Angels, Satan, gods and God. It also includes how the Hausa Bible uses Allah which the Christians reject as their God....

And the history you are introducing has no relevance to the topic. Allah was known in Arabia as other tribes has a name for the supreme being not represented by an Idol. Have you ever heard of an Idol called Oluwa in Yoruba culture or Allah in Hausa?

Similarly many traditionalists believe in the existence of God yet they worship the gods as a means to God.
Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by AntiChristian: 9:57am On May 19, 2022
cornelboy:


Luke 24:44
[44]Then he said, “When I was with you before, I told you that everything written about me in the law of Moses and the prophets and in the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

John 5:46
[46]If you really believed Moses, you would believe me, because he wrote about me.

Not only Moses wrote about Jesus, other prophets wrote about him too.
See Jesus Christ is unique. He wasn't like every other prophet. He had a preexistence before he became a human.

Moses never mentioned Jesus's name so how and where did he write about Jesus?
Jesus is unique as well as any other Prophets. Is that not why God appoints them?
Jesus never claimed he had any preexistence in the Bible.


Every other prophet was born normally through copulation while Jesus who was a spirit being in heaven (every creature in heaven is spirit being) was transferred to Mary's womb miraculously by God.
God has the power to create whatever he wills from even nothing! By this your analogy then Adam should have been superior to Jesus since he even needs no mother to be born!
Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by madegreatbygrace(m): 10:28am On May 19, 2022
quote]quote author=AntiChristian post=112973240]


Jesus never claimed he had any preexistence in the Bible.
[/quote]





“Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.””
‭‭John‬ ‭8:58‬ ‭NKJV‬‬



You talk as though you wrote the Bible
Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by madegreatbygrace(m): 10:28am On May 19, 2022
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quote author=AntiChristian post=112973240]


Jesus never claimed he had any preexistence in the Bible.
[/quote]





“Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.””
‭‭John‬ ‭8:58‬ ‭NKJV‬‬



You talk as though you wrote the Bible
Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by madegreatbygrace(m): 10:31am On May 19, 2022
[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=112974090]quote]quote author=AntiChristian post=112973240]
Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by Ken4Christ: 3:24pm On May 19, 2022
AntiChristian:
I read a post where Rev. Yinka Yusuf claimed President Muhammad Buhari blasphemed by calling Jesus a Prophet. He continued in the video that Jesus is too big to be a Prophet, Jesus never called himself a Prophet, The Jews called him a Prophet, etc. https://www.nairaland.com/7130683/blasphemy-rev-yinka-yusuf-faults

But mind you, Jesus didn't call himself God anywhere in the Bible. The fact that Jesus worshiped God many times in the Bible buttresses this point.

More so, Muslims believe Jesus to be a Prophet according to the Islamic Books. So how is that blasphemy?

The Reverend also said in the video " How can Jesus be a Prophet? A Prophet is a messenger. Who would he be a messenger to?"

But on the contrary we found the verses below:

1. Jesus said, "I was sent only to the people of Israel! Matthew 15:24

2.Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John 17:3

3. “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” Matthew 24:36

4. But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Mark 13:32

This is a definite proof that the Final Hour is unknown to any but God, thus Jesus’ knowledge is imperfect like all other men; God Alone is All-Knowing, Omniscient.

5. “And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face and prayed, saying, ‘O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as Thou wilt.’ “ Matthew 26:39

We note here that the person speaking is unaware of God’s Will and realizes the fact that he is a servant of God. He (God) Alone can cause the change.

6And finally the Prophecy of Moses in Deuteronomy 18:18 where Yahweh says:
I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him.

If Jesus fulfilled this Prophecy how is Jesus not a Prophet?
So what was the Reverend saying?

He is saying that Jesus is much more than a Prophet. Just the way we know he is a man but much more than a man. He is the full manifestation of God in the flesh. Angels of God worship him. He has the very essence and nature of God.

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Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by AntiChristian: 5:40am On May 20, 2022
Ken4Christ:


He is saying that Jesus is much more than a Prophet. Just the way we know he is a man but much more than a man. He is the full manifestation of God in the flesh. Angels of God worship him. He has the very essence and nature of God.

This is one of the reasons Christianity does not make sense. You Christians claim Jesus was a prophet like Moses according to Deuteronomy 18:18. But you'll go further that he's God. Then he's son of God.

The signs of God does not only exist in Jesus. It exists in Adam who has no parents, Eve who was created from Adam. Even in the alternation of the night and day....

Why would God need a son to help Him?
Why does He need to come to earth as a man to die for the people he created in the first place?
Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by madegreatbygrace(m): 9:15am On May 20, 2022
Mr. Antichrist, you sha have not responded to this:



“Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.””
‭‭John‬ ‭8:58‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Abi is it not in the Bible you claim to study and understand perfectly?
Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by Ken4Christ: 9:50am On May 20, 2022
AntiChristian:


This is one of the reasons Christianity does not make sense. You Christians claim Jesus was a prophet like Moses according to Deuteronomy 18:18. But you'll go further that he's God. Then he's son of God.

The signs of God does not only exist in Jesus. It exists in Adam who has no parents, Eve who was created from Adam. Even in the alternation of the night and day....

Why would God need a son to help Him?
Why does He need to come to earth as a man to die for the people he created in the first place?

God sending Jesus to die for mankind was the only way to redeem man from the power of Satan.

It is the blood that atones for sin. Under the Old Testament, the blood of goats and bulls were used. But it could not take away the sins of man. It only covered it for a period of one year. So, the sacrifice had to be repeated year after year.

God was looking for a perfect sacrifice that will take away the sin of mankind once and for all. And to do that, three conditions must be met;

1. The person must be human.
2. He must not have sin in his blood.
3. He must be subjected to temptation like the first Adam was.
4. He must pass the temptation.
5. He must offer himself as a sacrificial lamb.

Only a man not born through natural process could meet this demands.

So God had to use first a virgin as a vessel.

She got pregnant without a man. God planted the seed in her through the power of the Holy Spirit.

So the gene of Jesus is divine. Hence, he is called the Son of God.

He was tempted and he did not sin.

He offered himself as a sacrificial lamb.

It is his blood that was shed that redeemed everyone from sin and power of darkness.

If you believe, you will be saved.

But if you don't believe, you will be damned.

Hence the scripture says;

John 3:16-18
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Just ask Jesus to come into you right now and confess him as your Lord and Saviour. You will be transformed immediately. You will know that something happened to you. You will have a new kind of peace for the first time in your life. It is real. Try it and thank me later.

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Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by AntiChristian: 9:50am On May 20, 2022
madegreatbygrace:
Mr. Antichrist, you sha have not responded to this:



“Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.””
‭‭John‬ ‭8:58‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Abi is it not in the Bible you claim to study and understand perfectly?

This verse is a mistranslation. Read this carefully!

John 8:58
Before Abraham was, I am. (KJV) By Biblical Unitarian


1. Trinitarians argue that this verse states that Jesus said he was the "I am" (i.e., the Yahweh of the Old Testament), so he must be God. This is just not the case. Saying "I am" does not make a person God. The man born blind that Jesus healed was not claiming to be God, and he said "I am the man," and the Greek reads exactly like Jesus' statement, i.e., "I am." The fact that the exact same phrase is translated two different ways, one as "I am" and the other as "I am the man," is one reason it is so hard for the average Christian to get the truth from just reading the Bible as it has been translated into English. Most Bible translators are Trinitarian, and their bias appears in various places in their translation, this being a common one. Paul also used the same phrase of himself when he said that he wished all men were as "I am" (Acts 26:29). Thus, we conclude that saying "I am" did not make Paul, the man born blind or Christ into God. C. K. Barrett writes:
Ego eimi ["I am"] does not identify Jesus with God, but it does draw attention to him in the strongest possible terms. "I am the one - the one you must look at, and listen to, if you would know God."

2. The phrase "I am" occurs many other times in the New Testament, and is often translated as "I am he" or some equivalent ("I am he"'Mark 13:6; Luke 21:8; John 13:19; 18:5, 6 and 8. "It is I"'Matt. 14:27; Mark 6:50; John 6:20. "I am the one I claim to be"'John 8:24 and 28.). It is obvious that these translations are quite correct, and it is interesting that the phrase is translated as "I am" only in John 8:58. If the phrase in John 8:58 were translated "I am he" or "I am the one," like all the others, it would be easier to see that Christ was speaking of himself as the Messiah of God (as indeed he was), spoken of throughout the Old Testament.
At the Last Supper, the disciples were trying to find out who would deny the Christ. They said, literally, "Not I am, Lord" (Matt. 26:22 and 25). No one would say that the disciples were trying to deny that they were God because they were using the phrase "Not I am." The point is this: "I am" was a common way of designating oneself, and it did not mean you were claiming to be God.

3. The argument is made that because Jesus was "before" Abraham, Jesus must have been God. There is no question that Jesus figuratively "existed" in Abraham's time. However, he did not actually physically exist as a person; rather he "existed" in the mind of God as God's plan for the redemption of man. A careful reading of the context of the verse shows that Jesus was speaking of "existing" in God's foreknowledge. Verse 56 is accurately translated in the King James Version, which says: "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad." This verse says that Abraham "saw" the Day of Christ, which is normally considered by theologians to be the day when Christ conquerors the earth and sets up his kingdom. That would fit with what the book of Hebrews says about Abraham: "For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God" (Heb. 11:10). Abraham looked for a city that is still future, yet the Bible says Abraham "saw" it. In what sense could Abraham have seen something that was future? Abraham "saw" the Day of Christ because God told him it was coming, and Abraham "saw" it by faith. Although Abraham saw the Day of Christ by faith, that day existed in the mind of God long before Abraham. Thus, in the context of God's plan existing from the beginning, Christ certainly was "before" Abraham. Christ was the plan of God for man's redemption long before Abraham lived. We are not the only ones who believe that Jesus' statement does not make him God:
To say that Jesus is "before" him is not to lift him out of the ranks of humanity but to assert his unconditional precedence. To take such statements at the level of "flesh" so as to infer, as "the Jews" do that, at less than fifty, Jesus is claiming to have lived on this earth before Abraham (8:52 and 57), is to be as crass as Nicodemus who understands rebirth as an old man entering his mother's womb a second time (3:4). [24]

4. In order for the Trinitarian argument that Jesus' "I am" statement in John 8:58 makes him God, his statement must be equivalent with God's "I am" statement in Exodus 3:14. However, the two statements are very different. While the Greek phrase in John does mean "I am," the Hebrew phrase in Exodus actually means "to be" or "to become." In other words God is saying, "I will be what I will be." Thus the "I am" in Exodus is actually a mistranslation of the Hebrew text, so the fact that Jesus said "I am" did not make him God.
Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by AntiChristian: 9:55am On May 20, 2022
Ken4Christ:


God sending Jesus to die for mankind was the only way to redeem man from the power of Satan.

It is the blood that atones for sin. Under the Old Testament, the blood of goats and bulls were used. But it could not take away the sins of man. It only covered it for a period of one year. So, the sacrifice had to be repeated year after year.

God was looking for a perfect sacrifice that will take away the sin of mankind once and for all. And to do that, three conditions must be met;

1. The person must be human.
2. He must not have sin in his blood.
3. He must be subjected to temptation like the first Adam was.
4. He must pass the temptation.
5. He must offer himself as a sacrificial lamb.

Only a man not born through natural process could meet this demands.

So God had to use first a virgin as a vessel.

She got pregnant without a man. God planted the seed in her through the power of the Holy Spirit.

So the gene of Jesus is divine. Hence, he is called the Son of God.

He was tempted and he did not sin.

He offered himself as a sacrificial lamb.

It is his blood that was shed that redeemed everyone from sin and power of darkness.

If you believe, you will be saved.

But if you don't believe, you will be damned.

Hence the scripture says;

John 3:16-18
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Just ask Jesus to come into you right now and confess him as your Lord and Saviour. You will be transformed immediately. You will know that something happened to you. You will have a new kind of peace for the first time in your life. It is real. Try it and thank me later.

This is funny!

I have being hearing all this everywhere since! But it is sad Jesus never for once tell any of the people he preached to to accept him as Lord and saviour!

Show me where Jesus preached to people and told them all what you typed?

You will have to go to different verses, chapters to bring them up!

Anyways! You are a Christian!
Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by Ken4Christ: 10:53am On May 20, 2022
AntiChristian:


This is funny!

I have being hearing all this everywhere since! But it is sad Jesus never for once tell any of the people he preached to to accept him as Lord and saviour!

Show me where Jesus preached to people and told them all what you typed?

You will have to go to different verses, chapters to bring them up!

Anyways! You are a Christian!

He never asked people to accept him as Lord. Those who believed in him already knew him to be Lord and they addressed him as Lord even while on earth. Below are a few evidences of the scripture;

Matthew 8:2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, SAYING, LORD, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.

Matthew 8:8 The centurion answered and SAID, LORD, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.

Matthew 8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him, LORD, suffer me first to go and bury my father.

Mat 8:25 And his disciples came to him, and awoke him, SAYING, LORD, save us: we perish. View more

Mat 9:28 And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, YEA, LORD.

Even our Lord Jesus acknowledged that so many will call him Lord on judgment day but he will reject them because they compromised their faith with a sinful life;

Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

He asked the Pharisees on one occasion who is Christ. They answered, the son of David.

Then he asked further;

Matthew 22:43-45
43 He saith unto them, HOW THEN DOTH DAVID IN SPIRIT CALL HIM LORD, saying,

44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

Even the thief he pardoned on the cross called him Lord;

Luke 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, LORD, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by madegreatbygrace(m): 11:06am On May 20, 2022
Dear Mr. Antichrist, can you please explain why they took up stones to throw at Him.



“Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:59‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by Validated: 1:41pm On May 20, 2022
Is your god a saudi stone?
Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by AntiChristian: 4:45pm On May 20, 2022
Ken4Christ:


He never asked people to accept him as Lord. Those who believed in him already knew him to be Lord and they addressed him as Lord even while on earth. Below are a few evidences of the scripture;

Matthew 8:2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, SAYING, LORD, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.

Matthew 8:8 The centurion answered and SAID, LORD, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.

Matthew 8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him, LORD, suffer me first to go and bury my father.

Mat 8:25 And his disciples came to him, and awoke him, SAYING, LORD, save us: we perish. View more

Mat 9:28 And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, YEA, LORD.

Even our Lord Jesus acknowledged that so many will call him Lord on judgment day but he will reject them because they compromised their faith with a sinful life;

Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

He asked the Pharisees on one occasion who is Christ. They answered, the son of David.

Then he asked further;

Matthew 22:43-45
43 He saith unto them, HOW THEN DOTH DAVID IN SPIRIT CALL HIM LORD, saying,

44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

Even the thief he pardoned on the cross called him Lord;

Luke 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, LORD, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

These can only confuse the Christians not me.

Abeg what is the difference between LORD, lord and Lord in English?

The difference is the mind of the interpreter.

All the LORD, lord and Lord in bold can you give me the Greek and Hebrew equivalent so that we can check something?

Greek- Kurios (Lord), Hebrew- Yahweh (LORD), Hebrew- Adoni (lords that are not God)

For example, LORD is YHWH or Yahweh from Hebrew.
Hear O Israel, the LORD (Yahweh) our God, the LORD (Yahweh) is one. Deut. 6:4

In Psalm 110: 1
And the LORD (Yahweh) said to my Lord (Adoni).... The second Lord is not same as the first LORD as Adoni is used for lords that are not God. Never was Adoni used for God.

Note that Adonai would have been used if the "Lord" above was meant to be God.

So in summary!
Lord (Kurios) in the New Testament is a title like King or President or General. It never means God in the case of Jesus
Just as Adoni is the lord used in the Old testament for exalted creations that are not God.
Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by AntiChristian: 4:59pm On May 20, 2022
Validated:
Is your god a saudi stone?


No! Allah says many times in the Qur'an that He rose above His throne (over the heavens in a manner that suits His majesty).
Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by AntiChristian: 5:08pm On May 20, 2022
madegreatbygrace:
Dear Mr. Antichrist, can you please explain why they took up stones to throw at Him.

“Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:59‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Note that i am antichristian because i am opposed to Christianity! I am not your Antichrist that have 666 or do false miracles!

To answer your question, they wanted to stone him cos they misunderstood him as Jesus was not speaking clearly!

"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father. John 16:25

When he (Jesus) was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'
Mark 4:10-12
Re: Saying Jesus Is A Prophet Is Not Blasphemy by Ken4Christ: 6:14pm On May 20, 2022
AntiChristian:


These can only confuse the Christians not me.

Abeg what is the difference between LORD, lord and Lord in English?

The difference is the mind of the interpreter.

All the LORD, lord and Lord in bold can you give me the Greek and Hebrew equivalent so that we can check something?

Greek- Kurios (Lord), Hebrew- Yahweh (LORD), Hebrew- Adoni (lords that are not God)

For example, LORD is YHWH or Yahweh from Hebrew.
Hear O Israel, the LORD (Yahweh) our God, the LORD (Yahweh) is one. Deut. 6:4

In Psalm 110: 1
And the LORD (Yahweh) said to my Lord (Adoni).... The second Lord is not same as the first LORD as Adoni is used for lords that are not God. Never was Adoni used for God.

Note that Adonai would have been used if the "Lord" above was meant to be God.

So in summary!
Lord (Kurios) in the New Testament is a title like King or President or General. It never means God in the case of Jesus
Just as Adoni is the lord used in the Old testament for exalted creations that are not God.

But the same word kurios is where the word Lord is translated from in the verse below. So, you just help to confirm that Jesus and God are one.

Revelation 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, which was, and is, and is to come.

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