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The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:17pm On May 11, 2022 |
The Word and The Watchtower: An Exegesis of John 1:1 by Matt Slick | Aug 13, 2010 | Jehovah's Witnesses, World Religions The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, the governing body of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, claims that John 1:1 has been mistranslated in all major English Bibles and that it really denies the deity of Christ rather than affirming it. A careful walk through the text demonstrates that this JW claim is false. Take a careful walk through the text here 1 Like
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Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:30am On May 12, 2022 |
OLAADEGBU: Why Such a Task Is Important "Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, 'Who do people say that the Son of Man is?'" (Matthew 16:13) This is, by far, the most important question anyone can ask. Is Jesus only a human prophet, or is he God incarnate? To be sure, what one believes about the nature of Christ has eternal consequences. The reason for this is that faith is only as good as its object. If I believe in something that is not true, then my faith, however genuine and sincere, is futile. It does me no good. It would be akin to saying, "I do not believe in gravity." No matter how sincere the statement, gravity still exists, and I will not begin to float away anytime soon. Gravity, then, exists apart from my belief or non-belief. Likewise, if one does not believe Christ is the Second Person of the Trinity; and if it turns out that he truly is, then that person's faith would have been in someone who is false, namely, a false christ. And a false christ cannot save. This is why sound theology is needed and especially in today's time. While it is not an end in itself, solid theology leads to the true Christ; and the true Christ is whom we want to adore and worship. If we are to accurately understand the person of Christ–who he is and what he has done–, then we need to dive deep into the Word of God. The ontological aspects of the Godhead may be mysterious but let there be no mistake that the Triune God of the Bible does, indeed, exist. A strong apologetic stems from a true theology, which is rooted and grounded in the revelation of God–the Bible; and it is from within the revelation of the Bible where we get our theology of Christ. Continue reading here |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:42pm On May 12, 2022 |
Where to Begin While this article does not intend to be exhaustive in its treatment of the many important Trinitarian texts that the Bible contains, it is within our scope to look deeply into (arguably) the most principal and foundational of all texts contained in the entire Bible concerning the nature of Christ–John 1:1. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." This text from John’s Gospel is important in light of today’s highly religious and pluralistic atmosphere. The many heretical "offshoots" of Christianity which have appeared throughout recent history (especially in North America) are of significant importance as we consider John 1:1. More specifically, The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, otherwise known as the Jehovah's Witnesses, has from its very inception been unorthodox and heretical in its teaching and theology. For our concerns, then, we will look briefly at what they believe about Christ as well as their interpretation and translation of John 1:1. Continue reading here |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by Janosky: 9:11pm On May 12, 2022 |
OLAADEGBU: Oga, carry your stupid post outta this thread. Greek 2316 ,Theos mean God/a god. Whenever Theos occurs more than once, "ho Theos" (the God) is referenced as Supreme God the Father while the other Theos is referenced as a god. Bill Mounce did so Acts 12:22-23 & Acts 28:6. Trinity GIBBERISH caused Bill Mounce to DUBIOUSLY OMIT "ho/(the) @John 1:1. Jesus Christ and John says only the God Almighty is ho Theos, @ John 1:1, John 4:24, John 14:1,go to Bill Mounce Greek Interlinear Bible, published by your Trinity mentor. |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by Janosky: 9:13pm On May 12, 2022 |
OLAADEGBU: Acts 12:22-23 & Acts 28:6= John 1:1. Ho Theos the God is Almighty Father. The other being is a god. The word is a god. Matt Slick is very dull like the OP, making heretical GIBBERISH. |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:49am On May 13, 2022 |
OLAADEGBU: Who is Christ for the Jehovah's Witnesses? According to The Watchtower Society, Christ was "directly created by God."1 Moreover, in answering the question, "Is the firstborn Son equal to God, as some believe?" they answer, "This is not what the Bible teaches. As we noted in the preceding paragraph, the Son was created. Obviously, then, he had a beginning whereas Jehovah God has no beginning or end."2 Christ, to the Jehovah's Witnesses, is not eternal. That is, he had a beginning; and there was a time when he did not exist. Therefore, he is not God; but does this square with the biblical witness of John 1:1? We maintain that it does not. Continue reading here |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by Janosky: 9:15am On May 13, 2022 |
OLAADEGBU: Carm.org,Matt Slick & his mentee,OLAADEGBU are wrong & off point from the holy scriptures. Romans 11:35-36 your Bible says Christ was "directly created by God" his Father. "He (Jesus) came through the Father." Oga, OLAADEGBU,Your Bible maintains that Romans 11:35-36 squares with the biblical witnesses of John 1:1 & John 17:7,24. |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:11am On May 13, 2022 |
Janosky: Stop throwing scripture references about when we know that you neither understand them nor trust in them for eternal life. Come out plain and tell us that it is your Watchtower magazine is what is your final authority. 2 Likes |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by Janosky: 3:11pm On May 13, 2022 |
OLAADEGBU: Sifia pains of OLAADEGBU, deluded slave of 3 deities , LYING on Nairaland John 17:7 "Now they know that EVERYTHING I have COMES FROM YOU." John 17:24 "Father I want those you have GIVEN ME.....to see the GLORY YOU GAVE ME.... Before CREATION of the world" Romans 11:35-36 "He (Jesus) CAME THROUGH THE FATHER" |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:36pm On May 13, 2022 |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by Emusan(m): 7:37am On May 17, 2022 |
Janosky: Actually, since JWs have been saying Jesus is a god according to John 1:1, I'm only concern about their misinterpretation of that verse but let's grant JWs that "the word is a god" Now, what does the term "a god" mean? |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:20am On May 17, 2022 |
Exegesis means to bring out the meaning of a text as it was intended by the original author! After Jesus' baptism a voice came out from the heavens saying: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom i have approved" Matthew 3:17 And in another place the same voice said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him.” Matthew 17:5 So according to the author of the book (Bible) all obedient mankind supposed to become disciples of His son as in following the footsteps of His only begotten Son! 1Peter 2:21 So please do you know any translation of the book (Bible) that's helping all adherents of the version to become zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word? James 2:18-26 Remember the meaning of the word Exegesis! |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:37pm On May 17, 2022 |
OLAADEGBU: The New World Translation and John 1:1 While this article does not have within its scope a detailed treatise on how to pick and choose a good Bible translation, it should be noted that Jehovah’s Witnesses use a very faulty and inaccurate Bible translation known as The New World Translation (NWT). How does their translation render John 1:1? According to the NWT, this verse is translated as, "In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god." Notice the major difference between the NASB and the NWT's translation of the third clause: " . . . and the Word was a god." This is a significant shift between the two translations. The question needs to be asked: Is this variation warranted? Now, of course, if we want to decide which translation is the best, it only makes sense to go to the original language in which the writers of the New Testament wrote. Since Koine Greek was the language in which John wrote his Gospel, it would do us well to look at how John wrote and arranged his words in this verse. Continue reading here 1 Like |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by Emusan(m): 3:59pm On May 17, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Okay! After Jesus' baptism a voice came out from the heavens saying: How does this relate to the meaning of exegesis you gave above? So according to the author of the book (Bible) all obedient mankind supposed to become disciples of His son as in following the footsteps of His only begotten Son! 1Peter 2:21 What is the correlation between this statement and the meaning of exegesis you gave above? So please do you know any translation of the book (Bible) that's helping all adherents of the version to become zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word? James 2:18-26 So it's translation that is helping JWs to be a zealous preachers and industrious teachers But yet both you and your organization still cherrypick from other translations Remember the meaning of the word Exegesis! But your post never addressed the meaning of exegesis |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:21pm On May 17, 2022 |
Oh thank you Emusan! Emusan: |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by Emusan(m): 11:53am On May 18, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Oh you're welcome MaxinDhouse |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:39pm On May 18, 2022 |
OLAADEGBU: A Sound Exegesis of the Text It would be best to look at John 1:1 in parts and taking into account each clause one at a time. Once we understand what the text says and what John meant for it to mean, we can better compare that with what Jehovah’s Witnesses claim about the Person of Christ. What does the Greek say, then? Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος. Now for many, Greek is still Greek. An arrangement of unknown symbols means nothing to the average Christian; but what we would like to do is take you, the reader, through this simple, yet profound verse–one word at a time–and all the while equipping you with the information needed in order to translate properly. Continue reading here 1 Like |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:14pm On May 18, 2022 |
OLAADEGBU: Do you believe in Jesus of Nazareth? Well he said you don't have to go far, just observe the outcome of their works! Matt 7:16-18 Only the NWT has helped in erasing RACISM, POLITICS, MILITARY SERVICES from the hearts of it's users and turned them into zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word throughout the earth just as Jesus purposed. Matt 28:19-20; Act 1:8 So if you ask any sincere individual with Jesus's word in consideration, then only the NWT is authorized by the GOD of the Bible, any other thing is fruitless argument of no practical benefit! 2 Likes |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:24pm On May 18, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: War games! 1 Like |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by Emusan(m): 1:30pm On May 18, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Yes! But do you? Well he said you don't have to go far, just observe the outcome of their works! Matt 7:16-18 We observe the outcome of their work, we know it full of fake prophesies, changing of doctrines and twisting of the word of God. Only the NWT has helped in erasing RACISM, POLITICS, MILITARY SERVICES from the hearts of it's users and turned them into zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word throughout the earth just as Jesus purposed. Matt 28:19-20; Act 1:8 Where did Jesus PROPOSED it? because what is in Matt 28:19-29 has nothing to do with Racism, Politics, Military services So if you ask any sincere individual with Jesus's word in consideration Is there any SINCERE INDIVIDUAL outside Watchtower society? then only the NWT is authorized by the GOD of the Bible No wonder your organization is still using unauthorized translation. That means even all the manuscripts which NWT was translated from aren't authorized any other thing is fruitless argument of no practical benefit! You have been saying this, yet your are always arguing here and having sleepless nights |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:36pm On May 18, 2022 |
Emusan:The funny thing is you don't even know what BELIEVING (TRUSTING) in Jesus mean, so your case is really pathetic! 2 Likes |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by Emusan(m): 7:00pm On May 18, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Funny enough, you knew I don't know, yet you still asked the question Isn't your own case super pathetic? 1 Like |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by Emusan(m): 7:20pm On May 18, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: So you think only OLAADEGBU is your post ment for on Nairaland? I asked someone a question on another thread few days ago and you answered the question, are you the person? Hypocrite! 2 Likes |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by Janosky: 7:27pm On May 18, 2022 |
OLAADEGBU: Mumu Post of Matt Slick and OLAADEGBU tantrums. Slaves of their ancestors GIBBERISH at The Council of Nicene. I challenge you to tell Nairaland how your bible translation mentors REMOVED "ho" (English equivalent of definite article "THE" @ John 1:1. 2nd Point: I challenge you to tell Nairaland how your bible translation mentors rendered THEOS @Acts 28:6 & Acts 12:22-23 as "a god". 3rd Point: What is the Authentic Koine Greek rendition of apostle John @ John10:33? 4th Point: Acts 12:22-23 = John 1:1. This Scriptural fact is for those who can understand how Greek 2316 (Theos/a god/God) is rendered correctly in the holy Bible. |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by Janosky: 7:35pm On May 18, 2022 |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by Emusan(m): 9:28pm On May 18, 2022 |
Janosky: The thing dey cause severe pain for this worshipper of 8 lying old men in Warwick |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:31pm On May 18, 2022 |
Emusan:No wahala you've tried a lot |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:13pm On May 18, 2022 |
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Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by cornelboy(f): 7:17am On May 19, 2022 |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:26am On May 19, 2022 |
cornelboy:I mentioned OLAADEGBU and posted a comment but surprisingly it's Emusan that came quoting exactly what i posted saying i asked him a question! MaxInDHouse: Above post is for OLAADEGBU but it's Emusan that quoted me: Emusan: Then i told him: MaxInDHouse: Then Emusan said: Emusan: So my brother God is exposing them o, Emusan is the same person behind the famous OLAADEGBU moniker o! 1 Like |
Re: The Word And The Watchtower: An Exegesis Of John 1:1 by cornelboy(f): 5:00pm On May 19, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: I laugh in nairaland |
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