Some media are suggesting the U.S. and the UK creates go around NATO to sign a military alliance with Sweden and Finland if Turkey continues to block the membership of those two nordic countries.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h88hoRgg9o

This NATO of a group is military alliance against which group exactly?

Na one of the things wey dey trigger Russia be that.

Okay, if the entire world’s military comes together as one, who are we going to fight against?

Maybe Aliens. I know coming together as one will trigger humans to explore deep space and we might find the unexpected, and might lead into war against creatures never seen.

For a country to Join NATO... the entire NATO members must approve.

but So far US and UK are not paying attention to Turkey's disapproval of Sweden and Finland.

Which means? US say what goes, they don't give a damn about Turkey's opinion... they more desperate and more concerned on expanding towards East And creating more tension between East and West. lol so much for a peacekeeper.

If US and UK go behind Turkey to let Dem join,it's corruption... nobody it's gonna reason it right? cos they always find a way to justify their actions.... US always knows best, the holy land and land of liberty!

And Turkey too Should stop whining... It's Hypocrisy. Russia is trying to stop Ukraine from joining NATO for her security reasons, and they labeled Russia a bully and enemy of freewill...? Now Turkey, a member of NATO is opposing another sovereign country from joining NATO?

we are watching the super story lol

HITsquad:
For a country to Join NATO... the entire NATO members must approve.

but So far US and UK are not paying attention to Turkey's disapproval of Sweden and Finland.

Which means? US say what goes, they don't give a damn about Turkey's opinion... they more desperate and more concerned on expanding towards East And creating more tension between East and West. lol so much for a peacekeeper.

If US and UK go behind Turkey to let Dem join,it's corruption... nobody it's gonna reason it right? cos they always find a way to justify their actions.... US always knows best, the holy land and land of liberty!

And Turkey too Should stop whining... It's Hypocrisy. Russia is trying to stop Ukraine from joining NATO for her security reasons, and they labeled Russia a bully and enemy of freewill...? Now Turkey, a member of NATO is opposing another sovereign country from joining NATO?

we are watching the super story lol

see them creating news out of nothing. if only you guys knew the level of disunity that was in NATO before Russia foolishly United them back, I wonder the kind epistle you'd be writing

Nyne:
This NATO of a group is military alliance against which group exactly?

Na one of the things wey dey trigger Russia be that.

Okay, if the entire world’s military comes together as one, who are we going to fight against?

Maybe Aliens. I know coming together as one will trigger humans to explore deep space and we might find the unexpected, and might lead into war against creatures never seen.

- Security of Europe
- Against Terrorism
- Promoting Human rights

That what NATO has been about since the fall of USSR but you guys neither read nor learn.

Russia is not the USSR, that cult was a different beast. That one delusion man thinks they are doesn't make it true. If it was just Russia, they'd be no NATO.

A country can’t be bigger than every other country… negotiation and diplomacy will take place; which is alien to Russian dictionary.

Wars and rumours of war. Musicians have repeatedly told us what is to come in the lyrics of there music but we fail to listen.
Heaven can wait we're only watching the skies
Hoping for the best but expecting the worst
Are you gonna drop the bomb or not?
Let us die young or let us live forever
We don't have the power, but we never say never
Sitting in a sandpit, life is a short trip
The music's for the sad man

If Erdogan insists rejecting the membership of Finland and Sweden, the U.S will motivate a regime change in Turkey and install a Pro-America.But they won't be foolish to directly attack Turkey like Putin did in Ukraine.

railone:


- Security of Europe
- Against Terrorism
- Promoting Human rights

That what NATO has been about since the fall of USSR but you guys neither read nor learn.

Russia is not the USSR, that cult was a different beast. That one delusion man thinks they are doesn't make it true. If it was just Russia, they'd be no NATO.

Okay. It still shows that I am reasoning further than you.

HITsquad:
For a country to Join NATO... the entire NATO members must approve.

but So far US and UK are not paying attention to Turkey's disapproval of Sweden and Finland.

Which means? US say what goes, they don't give a damn about Turkey's opinion... they more desperate and more concerned on expanding towards East And creating more tension between East and West. lol so much for a peacekeeper.

If US and UK go behind Turkey to let Dem join,it's corruption... nobody it's gonna reason it right? cos they always find a way to justify their actions.... US always knows best, the holy land and land of liberty!

And Turkey too Should stop whining... It's Hypocrisy. Russia is trying to stop Ukraine from joining NATO for her security reasons, and they labeled Russia a bully and enemy of freewill...? Now Turkey, a member of NATO is opposing another sovereign country from joining NATO?

we are watching the super story lol

Turkey is very selfish... Turkey want the two countries to accept that the PKK is a terrorist organization and should remove same from their parliament.... Many of the PKK leaders are refugee in Sweden and turkey is not happy that's y it want to use this as an advantage to get the PKK. If Finland and Sweden want my vote they shd handover PKK leaders and consider them terrorists.

Also the US should lift embargo placed on the s400 they want to buy from Russia.



Is all about national interest.

railone:


see them creating news out of nothing. if only you guys knew the level of disunity that was in NATO before Russia foolishly United them back, I wonder the kind epistle you'd be writing

There was no disunity in NATO aside turkey a member of NATO wanting to buy S400 from Russia which is against the US.

Toktee:
There was no disunity in NATO aside turkey a member of NATO wanting to buy S400 from Russia which is against the US.

Turkey and Greece

US and France

Members refusal to meet the 2% GDP defense expenditure.

Read first and learn

railone:


Turkey and Greece

US and France

Members refusal to meet the 2% GDP defense expenditure.

Read first and learn

Look at you... France and US was it of recent that Australia cancelled the deal it had with France concerning nuclear submarine which the US supply the sub instead?
This issue was also resolved.

Turkey and Greece was as a result refugees and turkey interest in its ambition to search for mineral resources in the Mediterranean Sea which Greece considered to be within its exclusive economic zone.



But it was also resolved.



What else?


You lots want to see a splitted NATO which is impossible.

Toktee:
Look at you... France and US was it of recent that Australia cancelled the deal it had with France concerning nuclear submarine which the US supply the sub instead?
This issue was also resolved.

Turkey and Greece was as a result refugees and turkey interest in its ambition to search for mineral resources in the Mediterranean Sea which Greece considered to be within its exclusive economic zone.



But it was also resolved.



What else?


You lots want to see a splitted NATO which is impossible.

smh... your last sentence just made me realize you quoted the wrong person

VictorUSA:
If Erdogan insists rejecting the membership of Finland and Sweden, the U.S will motivate a regime change in Turkey and install a Pro-America.But they won't be foolish to directly attack Turkey like Putin did in Ukraine.

Regime change in Turkey? What are you smoking son?

The last attempt did not even come close and you think now is the time for US to try again

Turkey is too strategically placed to be toyed with. Saying Turkey is 10× more important to NATO than the combine Sweden and Finland is to put it mildly. Turkey is 100× more important to Both Nato and Russia than all of the Nordic Nations Nato bench warmers

Svlla:


Regime change in Turkey? What are you smoking son?

The last attempt did not even come close and you think now is the time for US to try again

Turkey is too strategically placed to be toyed with. Saying Turkey is 10× more important to NATO than the combine Sweden and Finland is to put it mildly. Turkey is 100× more important to Both Nato and Russia than all of the Nordic Nations Nato bench warmers

What makes it more important than Finland and Sweden combine?

VictorUSA:
If Erdogan insists rejecting the membership of Finland and Sweden, the U.S will motivate a regime change in Turkey and install a Pro-America.But they won't be foolish to directly attack Turkey like Putin did in Ukraine.

Note that France might also find reasons to quit due to the increasing influence of British and the Americans
As far as regime change is concerned , the U.S. did it before, in 2016, and Putin saved Erdogan . The coup failed.
Reason why Erdogan does not trust NATO countries that much.


Reading

Turkey’s failed coup attempt: All you need to know

An in-depth look at the key issues surrounding the deadly coup attempt that shook Turkey in July 2016.
By Al Jazeera
Published On 15 Jul 2017

The deadly coup attempt in July 2016 marked a monumental turning point in Turkey’s political history. Al Jazeera explains who was responsible, what happened and why.

Turkey witnessed the bloodiest coup attempt in its political history on July 15, 2016, when a section of the Turkish military launched a coordinated operation in several major cities to topple the government and unseat President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

Soldiers and tanks took to the streets and a number of explosions rang out in Ankara and Istanbul.

Turkish fighter jets dropped bombs on their own parliament, while the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Hulusi Akar, was kidnapped by his own security detail.

For several hours, it looked like Turkey was going to face the fourth devastating military coup in its 95-year political history.

As news of the coup attempt spread via social media, thousands of ordinary citizens, armed with nothing more than kitchen utensils, gathered in streets and squares around Anatolia to oppose the coup.

The crowds resisted tank fire and air bombardments and, with the help of loyalist soldiers and police forces, they defeated the coup attempt in a matter of hours. The government swiftly declared victory and scores of troops that had taken part in the coup surrendered on the Bosphorus Bridge in Istanbul.

Yet the overall price of victory was high: 241 people were killed and 2,194 others were injured.

The Turkish government blames the failed coup attempt on Fethullah Gulen, a Turkish preacher and businessman who has lived in self-imposed exile in the United States since 1999.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/7/15/turkeys-failed-coup-attempt-all-you-need-to-know

panafrican:

Note that France might also find reasons to quit due to the increasing influence of British and the Americans
As far as regime change is concerned , the U.S. did it before, in 2016, and Putin saved Erdogan . The coup failed.
Reason why Erdogan does not trust NATO countries that much.


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France cannot risk security threats by leaving NATO.U.S and UK have been the de facto caucus of NATO together with France and Germany.

Erdogan did not play by the rules(unstated;practical;principles of operation) and how do you expect NATO to tolerate him.I'm not suprised, Turky is an islamic state so all their doings must stink of America Derangement Syndrome.

America wasn't involved that much in the attempted coup you claim.

VictorUSA:
What makes it more important than Finland and Sweden combine?

1. it is strategically located at Europe and Asia being the gateway to the Muslim world and also to Asia as from Asia to Europe.

2. It has the largest Army in Nato after the US. Which is very important in the case of conventional war

3. It controls the Dardanelles and Bosphorus strait, giving access to Black sea Nato nations and ensuring Nato's presence in the strategically important Black sea. Without Turkey Black sea(Romania, Bulgaria, Georgia) nations will not have access to the world

4. It has strong influence in the Balkan. Infact the strongest influence in the Balkan before Russia and US. If Nato aspires to have all the Balkans under its military alliance umbrella then they must never cross Turkey

5. Gas pipeline from gas-rich Eurasia to gas-dependent EU nations (Nato's political wing) that does not pass through Russia must pass through Turkey. Infact Turkey is the only conduit for gas and oil transport to Europe apart from Russia

6. Turkey is Nato's channel to the middle east and Islamic world

Turkey is too big a fish and is Vital to Nato.

What does the Scandinavian Finland and Sweden has to contribute other than Ice and Forest

Svlla:


1. it is strategically located at Europe and Asia being the gateway to the Muslim world and also to Asia as from Asia to Europe.

2. It has the largest Army in Nato after the US. Which is very important in the case of conventional war

3. It controls the Dardanelles and Bosphorus strait, giving access to Black sea Nato nations and ensuring Nato's presence in the strategically important Black sea. Without Turkey Black sea(Romania, Bulgaria, Georgia) nations will not have access to the world

And that is why we need to install America's puppet to play by the untheoretical principles.

HITsquad:
For a country to Join NATO... the entire NATO members must approve.

but So far US and UK are not paying attention to Turkey's disapproval of Sweden and Finland.

Which means? US say what goes, they don't give a damn about Turkey's opinion... they more desperate and more concerned on expanding towards East And creating more tension between East and West. lol so much for a peacekeeper.

If US and UK go behind Turkey to let Dem join,it's corruption... nobody it's gonna reason it right? cos they always find a way to justify their actions.... US always knows best, the holy land and land of liberty!

And Turkey too Should stop whining... It's Hypocrisy. Russia is trying to stop Ukraine from joining NATO for her security reasons, and they labeled Russia a bully and enemy of freewill...? Now Turkey, a member of NATO is opposing another sovereign country from joining NATO?

we are watching the super story lol

I'm yet to know the reason for Turkey's disapproval.

VictorUSA:
And that is why we need to install America's puppet to play by the untheoretical principles.

I modified that post. Read it again

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railone:


- Security of Europe
- Against Terrorism
- Promoting Human rights

That what NATO has been about since the fall of USSR but you guys neither read nor learn.

Russia is not the USSR, that cult was a different beast. That one delusion man thinks they are doesn't make it true. If it was just Russia, they'd be no NATO.

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Arrogance destroys intellect!! It’s either you are purposely spreading what is not correct or you don’t know anything you are talking about!!!

Since the fall of USSR why has NATO not been dismantled?? Why has NATO expanded towards the eastern part of Europe as against their verbal agreement with gobachev??

You say NATO is for security of Europe?? Really?? So who is threatening Europe?? You’d say russi!! Lemme ask you, do you know Russia wanted to join NATO but George bush refused him?? Do you know Putin was pro-west but later turned around to say the dream of being integrated into the west as a fried is gone

NATO fighting terrorism?? Where is terrorism in Europe please?? Is it in the Middle East?? Which country has scattered a region more than america and her tools I.R UN and NATO and EU!! Who sponsored terrorist against Assad of Syria?? Who destroyed Libya? Who invaded iraq?? Vietnam?? Etc!!

You say NATO dey fight for human right?? You are funny given america is the biggest violators of the international human rights convention!!

My brother, if after all what I have said, you still come here to boast of NATO and America as a tool of freedom and truth, I can’t argue you are deep into lies!!

VictorUSA:
If Erdogan insists rejecting the membership of Finland and Sweden, the U.S will motivate a regime change in Turkey and install a Pro-America.But they won't be foolish to directly attack Turkey like Putin did in Ukraine.

I have been looking for you guy!! Hope you passed your exams man??

Turkey controls waterway to Black Sea meaning Turkey can block any ship that is not home to Black Sea

VictorUSA:
What makes it more important than Finland and Sweden combine?

DerrickzB:
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Arrogance destroys intellect!! It’s either you are purposely spreading what is not correct or you don’t know anything you are talking about!!!

Since the fall of USSR why has NATO not been dismantled?? Why has NATO expanded towards the eastern part of Europe as against their verbal agreement with gobachev??

You say NATO is for security of Europe?? Really?? So who is threatening Europe?? You’d say russi!! Lemme ask you, do you know Russia wanted to join NATO but George bush refused him?? Do you know Putin was pro-west but later turned around to say the dream of being integrated into the west as a fried is gone

NATO fighting terrorism?? Where is terrorism in Europe please?? Is it in the Middle East?? Which country has scattered a region more than america and her tools I.R UN and NATO and EU!! Who sponsored terrorist against Assad of Syria?? Who destroyed Libya? Who invaded iraq?? Vietnam?? Etc!!

You say NATO dey fight for human right?? You are funny given america is the biggest violators of the international human rights convention!!

My brother, if after all what I have said, you still come here to boast of NATO and America as a tool of freedom and truth, I can’t argue you are deep into lies!!

none what you said is facts instead it shows your lack of knowledge.

I guess the reason you build house and put gate and security door is because Armed robbers have been threatening you.
The reason you safeguard your wallet when you're out of the house is because pick pockets have been threatening you.
Jeez...

where do I even start, you lack the basic knowledge to even constitute an argument and I won't waste my time with you.

Imagine calling a war started by Vietnamese on Vietnamese an invasion. Like seriously what do you actually know except for proudly displaying your ignorance

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railone:


none what you said is facts instead it shows your lack of knowledge.

I guess the reason you build house and put gate and security door is because Armed robbers have been threatening you.
The reason you safeguard your wallet when you're out of the house is because pick pockets have been threatening you.
Jeez...

where do I even start, you lack the basic knowledge to even constitute an argument and I won't waste my time with you.

Imagine calling a war started by Vietnamese on Vietnamese an invasion. Like seriously what do you actually know except for proudly displaying your ignorance

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I thought you were different!! All you western a** lickers does is throw insult!!!

You jumped iraq, Syria, Libya and co!! Why?? Because you are so ashamed of your america!! I can’t even argue with u either, I thought you were intelligent!!

DerrickzB:
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I thought you were different!! All you western a** lickers does is throw insult!!!

You jumped iraq, Syria, Libya and co!! Why?? Because you are so ashamed of your america!! I can’t even argue with u either, I thought you were intelligent!!

not to brag but I'm confident that I'm vastly more intelligent than you.
If you want to make an argument, present reasonable facts and then I can be in a conversation with you.

Starting your supposed argument with something dumb as you need to be threatened to reason security doesn't put you in a great light.

You don't fumble your first impression in an interview and wonder why they didn't stick around long enough with you to find out you're really good

DerrickzB:


I have been looking for you guy!! Hope you passed your exams man??

My friend, I'v not seen my result.Probably 2morow.

This is what my black brother's has failed to understand, the west come into your land and claim to bring their so called democracy and freedom but they all bring slavery, pain to the people, Africa has to wake up, the west are treacherous and should not be entertained.

DerrickzB:
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Arrogance destroys intellect!! It’s either you are purposely spreading what is not correct or you don’t know anything you are talking about!!!

Since the fall of USSR why has NATO not been dismantled?? Why has NATO expanded towards the eastern part of Europe as against their verbal agreement with gobachev??

You say NATO is for security of Europe?? Really?? So who is threatening Europe?? You’d say russi!! Lemme ask you, do you know Russia wanted to join NATO but George bush refused him?? Do you know Putin was pro-west but later turned around to say the dream of being integrated into the west as a fried is gone

NATO fighting terrorism?? Where is terrorism in Europe please?? Is it in the Middle East?? Which country has scattered a region more than america and her tools I.R UN and NATO and EU!! Who sponsored terrorist against Assad of Syria?? Who destroyed Libya? Who invaded iraq?? Vietnam?? Etc!!

You say NATO dey fight for human right?? You are funny given america is the biggest violators of the international human rights convention!!

My brother, if after all what I have said, you still come here to boast of NATO and America as a tool of freedom and truth, I can’t argue you are deep into lies!!

VictorUSA:
My friend, I'v not seen my result.Probably 2morow.

By God’s grace you’d pass!! Good luck my online Jiggy

DerrickzB:


By God’s grace you’d pass!! Good luck my online Jiggy

Thanks! I'll roger you my score when I see it 2morow.