Guderian:
So 1 need to obey them to go to heaven

I though you were a saved by grace person?

Your pastors told you the lie of being saved by Grace, not Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ instead said that in order to be saved in the Kingdom of God, you have to live in continuous submission to and obedience of His teachings (and commandments) , God's Truth and Law aka the Gospel and stand faithful in your obedience till the very end in order to be saved by it - John 14 vs 15 - 25 and Matthew 24 vs 13

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What Paul meant by being "saved by grace" is something that doesn't apply to you if you were not born a Jew from birth.

ono:
1. First, it's a pleasant surprise to "meet" you again here Kobo, after so many years. You'd know an oldtimer on Nairaland immediately you see their familiar username.

2. Now unto your last post. I will disagree with you on this one. God is surely against wearing apparels/adornment that will not glorify His name here on earth.

"In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided (broided) hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; but (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works." - 1 Timothy 2:9,10 (KJV)

"Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; but let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price." - 1 Peter 3:3,4 (KJV)

3. I understand the angle you're coming from, but we need to be careful so that the liberty we have in Christ to do what pleases him does not confuse others who are not of the household of faith and lead them astray.

1. It has indeed been a very long time. Glad to see you still on nairaland.

2. God is a God of Laws and there are two of His Laws explicitly defined in details in what is your Bible, a compendium of select scriptures. They are

■ The Old Covenant Law , YHWH, given by God through Moses as a Constitution to the Nation of Israel , a Covenant/agreement between God and His chosen people, those who are of the blood of Jacob, for living in the Land of Canaan which He promised to them. This Law contains about 613 commandments & statutes - details of which are written in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy - by which the people are expected to obey all of their lives in order to obtain eternal life in the Land of Canaan after the resurrection- Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20

■ The New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ, also referred to as the Gospel, given by God through Jesus Christ, the one who also embodied the Law as an individual Constitution in the Kingdom of God, a Covenant/agreement between God and individuals who will accept Him - Matthew 26 vs 28 - 30 - for living in Kingdom of God which He promises them. This Law contains about 100 commandments - details of which are found written in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John - by which those who claim to believe are expected to live their lives by in order to obtain eternity in Heaven after the resurrection- Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46

3. One key thing to understand about God’s Law is that no man has authority to add, change or remove commandments to or from God's Law. And so since Jesus Christ declared God's New Covenant Law finished on the cross, this where it was ratified, it is eternally sealed, just as Jesus Christ said in Matthew 5 vs 17 - 20.

What this means is that the opinions expressed by Paul in what seems his private letter to Timothy, and Peter's opinions in his letter to his fellow Jewish Christians who were dispersed across the area - 1 Peter 1 vs 1 - 3 - are simply that, opinions, and nothing more.

Not once did Jesus Christ select teach women in His group on how to dress nor did He suggest that modest clothing as pure in the Kingdom of God.You have to understand that your clothing/dressing are instead of this world and not of the Kingdom of God same as marriage, cars, cellphones, burgers, toilet roll, mannequins, electricity, mirrors, dairy products, stocks, lawn mowers, Victoria secret bras, speedos, tricks, coat hangers, wine, chocolate, bearing of kids, etc. None of these can get you closer or farther away from God.

Jesus Christ never taught His disciples to live shackled for fear that what you refer to as their liberties might confuse others. The Pharisees did that to the people by teaching them doctrines that decieved them away from God but not Jesus Christ. For you see, Jesus Christ lived,ate and drank(alcohol ofcourse) even among the sinners in demonstration the freedom we have, and ought to live in Him, this if we continue to submit to and obey His commandments. After all those who abide in Him - this through continuous submission and obedience of His teachings(and commandments) are expected to do what He did and more - John 14 vs 3 - 11

The only thing that can affect one as far as the Kingdom of God is concerned is obedience of God's actual commandments or disobedience of them. You are not called to live your life for others but instead to live your life for your one and only Master, Jesus Christ.

achiever12:


She pokes her nose in other people's matters. And after learning your secrets, she goes about telling everybody about it and also adds her own extras to make it sound sweet.

She uses her mouth to turn the back of two friends against each other so that both will see her as a good person, while seeing each other as enemies.

She even goes diabolical

Really? I don't know this person but did you really have evidence of her diabolism? If she does any of these, then she is not born again or is a backslidder.

Aguilar:
you won't understand. I take it that you are inexperienced. Move away from were you are or wander and gain more experience.

Sir, if you don't appreciate a deeper Christian life, then I am afraid I don't need your form of 'understanding' and 'experience'. I leads only to regrets here and hereafter. Thank you.

Kobojunkie:
1. Since not all are born sinners from birth, this belief is based on false doctrine.

2. Absolutely false doctrine! This since Jesus Christ never taught any of that to begin with.

3. That's also false doctrine since Jesus Christ never said sanctification is of the heart alone.

4. The need to be born-again according to what standard? That set by Jesus Christ or that set by the pastor?

5. OK.

6. Jesus Christ never taught that speaking in tongues ought to take place only in private space whereas all other signs openly expressed - Mark 16 vs 15 - 19

7. Jesus Christ instead commands that salvation costa everything you have and own - you have to loose it all in order to gain access to the Kingdom of God through the Narrow Gate- Matthew 10 vs 34 - 39

8. The Trinity doctrine is a lie that does not conform with what is in in fact written in scripture.

9. That is also against Jesus Christ this since He instead taught that Heaven and Hell will only become occupied after He returns and judges the world - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46

10. That is a whole load of gobbledygook that makes no sense when you consider Jesus Christ's actual teachings and the parables He told His followers explaining to them what is to come when He returns for them.

11. There is no scriptural basis for this claim of yours. See #9 for why.

12. Again, see #9 for why this doesn't sit well with what is written.

13. The same King James Bible written by the man quote authored the book called Demonologie and is famously known for including the word Lucifer in his Bible translation which caused many to believe in the Lucifer lie?

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Your churches/groups are no different from each other. You all cling to the doctrines and traditions of men which Jesus Christ warned were lies that are to decieve many away from God's Truth, nullifying the very power of God in your lives - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 and Mark 7 vs 1 - 13

Congratulations Mr. Fault Finder. May God have mercy on your soul for twisting the Bible in your morbid hate for Deeper Life.

FreedomfromtheT:
Congratulations Mr. Fault Finder. May God have mercy on your soul for twisting the Bible in your morbid hate for Deeper Life.

Look whose talking..

You detailed the faults of Jehovah witnesses , but didn't expect that yours would be revealed as well?

Also, to this day, you have been unable to provide evidence of my twisting scripture yet you continue to accuse me falsely , what does that of your claim to be of God?

I don't hate deeper Life nor any other cult out there. What I hate are the lies fed you all by your many false teachers and false prophets- all of them.

FreedomfromtheT:
Really? I don't know this person but did you really have evidence of her diabolism? If she does any of these, then she is not born again or is a backslidder.

Actually she could indeed be born-again this since all those who will end up in Hell are all of them born-again , this since Jesus Christ made it clear that only those who are born-again can enter into the Kingdom of God either through the Broad Gate that leads eventually to Hell or the narrow Gate that leads eventually to Heaven - John 3 vs 5 - 8 and Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14

Kobojunkie:
Actually she could indeed be born-again this since all those who will end up in Hell are all of them born-again , this since Jesus Christ made it clear that only those who are born-again can enter into the Kingdom of God either through the Broad Gate that leads eventually to Hell or the narrow Gate that leads eventually to Heaven - John 3 vs 5 - 8 and Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14

You are confused sir. I am afraid you might just be running mad over Deeper Life issue. No insults intended.
Please visit a psychiatrist.

FreedomfromtheT:
You are confused sir. I am afraid you might just be running mad over Deeper Life issue. No insults intended.
Please visit a psychiatrist.

Notice how you defend your precious deeper Life against even the commandments of Jesus Christ Himself. Isn't that pretty much what the JWs also do - place their group along with it's doctrines and traditions above God's own Truth, Jesus Christ? .

Are you certain I am the one in need of a psychiatrist here?

Kobojunkie:
Look whose talking..

You detailed the faults of Jehovah witnesses , but didn't expect that yours would be revealed as well?

Also, to this day, you have been unable to provide evidence of my twisting scripture yet you continue to accuse me falsely , what does that of your claim to be of God?

I don't hate deeper Life nor any other cult out there. What I hate are the lies fed you all by your many false teachers and false prophets- all of them.

You are wrong as usual. Someone who apparently doesn't know asked to know the difference between Jehovah's witnesses and Deeper Lifers. I briefly outlined what each stood for. I didn't detail the faults of Jehovah's witnesses. That is not the issue today. Mr Deeper Life hater, keep on hating. It doesn't change anything. It only reveals that you are a bitter soul. I pray you repent before it is too late. God bless you sir.

FreedomfromtheT:
Really? I don't know this person but did you really have evidence of her diabolism? If she does any of these, then she is not born again or is a backslidder.

Many people saw her doing it with evidence. She and her husband

FreedomfromtheT:
1. You are wrong as usual. Someone who apparently doesn't know asked to know the difference between Jehovah's witnesses and Deeper Lifers. I briefly outlined what each stood for.

2. I didn't detail the faults of Jehovah's witnesses. That is not the issue today.

3. Mr Deeper Life hater, keep on hating. It doesn't change anything. It only reveals that you are a bitter soul. I pray you repent before it is too late. God bless you sir.

1. LOL... Wrong about what exactly? From where Jesus Christ is, Jehovah Witnesses, Deeper Life and all the many other churches of men are all the same, built on the doctrines and traditions of men, what Jesus Christ pointed out where all lies where the Truth of God is concerned. No one group's lie is better than the other in this since they are all of them lies which have absolutely nothing to do with God or His Kingdom.

2. Lies are faults where the Truth of God is concerned. You pointed out the JW lies while pretending your group's lies in some way better than theirs.

3. I am a hater of the lies of men and rightly so since no one who lives by the Truth of God will love the lies of men. And if Deeper Life and even other grou represents the lies, what can I say.

Also, repentance, as preached by Jesus Christ requires an abandoning of the Old way to adopt God's New Covenant and Law in the Kingdom of God, God's Truth. Since I am fully submitted to the Truth as taught by Jesus Christ, instead of the doctrines(lies) of men, are my really the one in need of repentance here?

achiever12:


Many people saw her doing it with evidence. She and her husband

And where are those 'many people' sir to serve as witnesses? You accuse and condemn a woman and her husband over the 'evidence' of imaginary 'many people'. Are you sure you are not a hateful false accuser?

FreedomfromtheT:
And where are those 'many people' sir to serve as witnesses? You accuse and condemn a woman and her husband over the 'evidence' of imaginary 'many people'. Are you sure you are not a hateful false accuser?

So, I should bring the many people to nairaland?

Stop trying to cover up evil because it affects your pretentious evil church member

FreedomfromtheT:
Sir, if you don't appreciate a deeper Christian life, then I am afraid I don't need your form of 'understanding' and 'experience'. I leads only to regrets here and hereafter. Thank you.

All i'm saying is there's more to life than being a deeper life.

lol, i knew koboko must be here gnashing his teeth. Deeper life must have done him very strong things, maybe their marriage commitment broke his stony heart. The boy bitterness na colour dark black.

Oluwaseyi00:


I never called you a bad person, I was just reminding you of eternity with Christ which only comes through Salvation.

So, can you say you'd make it when He comes now?

Okay, i get your point

Kobojunkie:
Na lie!

Anyhow sha

The Spirit of the father made a Christ out of flesh and blood not only because the Spirit of the father dwells in that body but also due to the fact that He Christ and the father are one. The father lives in him and he lives in the father. Now take a moment to reason the fatal consequence of the father living in Him and him not living in the father and vice versa. These things are deep. You must be totally submerged in the infilling of the spirit, not knee deep not even neck deep. It must be total. Because flesh and blood can not reveal this things to you. They are divine wisdom. But its okay I mean its still very normal to start with things that you can relate and reason along with. The main reasons why Jesus referred to the apostles as children. Happy children's day. Total obedience to God helps you grow into full status and stature in Christ. I mean Total obedience.

womenareapez:
Jesus didn't Said that statement you this agent of Satan

No one comes through the father except through Me.

John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

ajerimitan:
The Spirit of the father made a Christ out of flesh and blood not only because the Spirit of the father dwells in that body but also due to the fact that He Christ and the father are one. The father lives in him and he lives in the father. Now take a moment to reason the fatal consequence of the father living in Him and him not living in the father and vice versa. These things are deep. You must be totally submerged in the infilling of the spirit, not knee deep not even neck deep. It must be total. Because flesh and blood can not reveal this things to you. They are divine wisdom. But its okay I mean its still very normal to start with things that you can relate and reason along with. The main reasons why Jesus referred to the apostles as children. Happy children's day. Total obedience to God helps you grow into full status and stature in Christ. I mean Total obedience.

womenareapez:
Jesus didn't Said that statement you this agent of Satan

No one comes through the father except through Me.

......John 6:44 No one is able to come to Me unless the Father Who sent Me attracts and draws him and gives him the desire to come to Me, and [then] I will raise him up [from the dead] at the last day......

ajerimitan:
......John 6:44 No one is able to come to Me unless the Father Who sent Me attracts and draws him and gives him the desire to come to Me, and [then] I will raise him up [from the dead] at the last day......

The same Jesus Christ is also written to have said that whosoever believe in Him will not perish but have eternal life - John 3 vs 16 - 18 and also in Matthew 11 vs 28 - 30, the same Jesus Christ calls on all who are weary and heavy laden.

The Father's call has gone out into all of the world calling on all who are weary and heavy laden. They are, all of them, called/attracted by Him.

ajerimitan:
When the leader of an organization is verybopen to criticism and positive changes how much more the followers but the reverse seems to be the case here. Wisdom is the principal thing. Yielding to IPOB's warning of not bringing up a crusade at a crusial restless time such as this is also wisdom. Seeing the positive side of technological development and leveraging on it is understanding. Dressing up appropriately to fit your society and the rigours of day to day challenges is simply put knowledge. I come in peace. I love DLCF back then on campus and youth corps. Very sound campus tutorials, matured and spirit filled inspirational sermons. Brilliant and intelligent lot. Selfless and efficiently effective welfarism.

Jesus Christ never asked any of His followers to build churches in His name neither did He command any man to attend these churches for His sake or honor. So Churchianism, the religion of this world, is most definitely not of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ said of the Church which belongs to Him ," upon this rock, I, Jesus Christ, will build my Church..." making it clear that His Church is built by His own Hands, not the hands of men.

Kobojunkie:
What this means is that the opinions expressed by Paul in what seems his private letter to Timothy, and Peter's opinions in his letter to his fellow Jewish Christians who were dispersed across the area - 1 Peter 1 vs 1 - 3 - are simply that, opinions, and nothing more.

Kobo,
What you’re saying, basically, is that Paul and Peter were not led by the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit to write those admonitions to the Churches at that time. And you are very sure about that. Correct me if I’m wrong ?

ono:
What you’re saying, basically, is that Paul and Peter we’re not led by the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit to write those admonitions to the Churches at that time. Correct me if I’m wrong ?

What I am saying is that even those who are supposedly "led by the spirit" can indeed err since they are men and hence have weaknesses. So it is important to always remember that it is Jesus Christ we are called to Trust and Obey, this by God Himself, not Peter and Paul.

Several of the details contained in the letters of the apostles directly contradict the declarations of Jesus Christ Himself. The Spirit of God would never contradict God's own Truth. So, like the Bereans did, consult the teachings of Jesus Christ on everything you read so you are certain you are following Him and not a man's idea of Him.

Kobojunkie:
What I am saying is that even those who are supposedly "led by the spirit" can indeed err since they are men and hence have weaknesses. So it is important to always remember that it is Jesus Christ we are called to Trust and Obey, this by God Himself, not Peter and Paul.

Several of the details contained in the letters of the apostles directly contradict the declarations of Jesus Christ Himself. The Spirit of God would never contradict God's own Truth. So, like the Bereans did, consult the teachings of Jesus Christ on everything you read so you are certain you are following Him and not a man's idea of Him.

I'd like a simple answer. Led or not led by the Holy Spirit of Truth. Because your response will test our belief in the Bible as God's own sacrosanct Words written by men such as Peter and Paul, who were inspired by the Holy Spirit to pen them down for our own profitable use.

2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

And remember:

Acts 19:15 (KJV)
And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

ono:
1. I'd like a simple answer. Led or not led by the Holy Spirit of Truth. Because your response will test our belief in the Bible as God's own sacrosanct Words written by men such as Peter and Paul, who were inspired by the Holy Spirit to pen them down for our own profitable use.

1. My response is clear. Those who have the Spirit of Truth in them remain humans and so cannot be trusted above the very Word of God Himself..

2. God never told any man that scripture is infallible. Neither did He command any man to believe scripture is infallible. Rather God commanded men to put their Trust in His Word, Jesus Christ, the one who is God's own Truth and Word, not to be confused with your Bible which is instead a compendium of books complied by the hands of men in human language containing the words of men, Satan, demons and also the Word of God. Hence it is not a holy book.

The words written in it, including including opinions of men, the lies of Satan and his demons, are all inspired but they God never said to trust those inspired words.

Kobojunkie:
1. My response is clear. Those who have the Spirit of Truth in them remain humans and so cannot be trusted above the very Word of God Himself..

2. God never told any man that scripture is infallible. Neither did He command any man to believe scripture is infallible. Rather God commanded men to put their Trust in His Word, Jesus Christ, the one who is God's own Truth and Word, not to be confused with your Bible which is instead a compendium of books complied by the hands of men in human language containing the words of men, Satan, demons and also the Word of God. Hence it is not a holy book.

The words written in it, including including opinions of men, the lies of Satan and his demons, are all inspired but they God never said to trust those inspired words.

Thank you for your time and effort. I beg to disagree completely with your type of “followership of Christ” and “doctrine”.

God bless you and direct you.

ono:
Thank you for your time and effort. I beg to disagree completely with your type of “followership of Christ” and “doctrine”.

God bless you and direct you.

Let me ask you this, does the Spirit of Truth, Jesus Christ Himself, live inside of you?

According to Jesus Christ, He lives inside of everyone who believes in Him - those who obey His teachings and commandments. So, if you continously obey the about 100 commandments that make up what is the Gospel of the Kingdom of God aka God's New Covenant Law.

Kobojunkie:
Let me ask you this, does the Spirit of Truth, Jesus Christ Himself, live inside of you?

According to Jesus Christ, He lives inside of everyone who believes in Him - those who obey His teachings and commandments. So, if you continously obey the about 100 commandments that make up what is the Gospel of the Kingdom of God aka God's New Covenant Law.

Hebrews 13:9 (KJV)
Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

Ephesians 4:14 KJV
that we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive ( You may want to read previous verses for full understanding)

And this is where I will draw the curtains. Best wishes for you on the road to eternal life.

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