afrodoc2:


Exactly.

And i don't want anybody to be forced on ETH. If he doesn't want RR then he should be allowed to do things as he wants , because i am sure there were certain conditions he insisted on being in place in terms of control before he got the job.

But we shouldn't be celebrating the fact that Murtough and Fletcher are now the only people supporting ETH. The man might not appreciate how huge the task is. In his first presser he was talking about how the squad wasn't that bad because we came 2nd 2 seasons ago.

If he is banking on that misleading info to assess the squad he might be in for a shocker next season. I desperately want him to succeed but if he depends on these same unreliable players he might be setting himself up for failure. These players will play well during preseason and then collapse once things get heated. We have seen the movie 4-5 times before starring Andreas Pereira and others. ETH has not even seen the preview.

afrodoc2:



1) Nobody has explained to us how Ajax not having a structure (allegedly) is a good thing for Manchester United to emulate.

Example: Chike Obi did not study to pass his Mathematics exam, so Akpors too will not study.

2) Nobody has also explained how a man that took a club from Division 4 to Champions League semi-final in 8 years did not succeed as director football. The same Champions League semi-final that we haven't smelled in years o.

3) Nobody has also explained how a man that has almost always been on the list of Top 5 directors of football is now being judged with performances as an interim manager.
In fact i will do giveaway if any Bible believing brother can mention another rated director of football who has been judged by his coaching record.

Someone should pull up the coaching record of Marotta, Monchi, Zorc, Beguiristain, e.t.c. Let us check something.

TrebleChamp:
Doc Rafiu was not appointed DoF, he was to be a consultant. He new the terms and accepted to be consultant. I also wanted him as DoF at United. He was suppose to be a consultant, to help the club rebuild. But he accepted a full time job elsewhere, why would he do that if he was sincere about his plans for United? How was he suppose to focus on his consultancy role, while being a full time manager elsewhere? Should we start blaming Ten Haag for Rafiu's departure? Cos it seem obvious ETH didn't want him around...

afrodoc2:


This i think was the problem and why ETH didn't want him to stay. Their football philosophies are similar but not identical. Rangnick would have wanted to go for physical players with decent technique while ETH would have wanted technical players with with decent physicality.

I suspect Frenkie De Jong would have been a major point of disagreement.

afrodoc2:


I am not blaming ETH for his departure. Even if ETH wants him gone it might be within his right based on what was discussed during job negotiations. I stated sometime ago that the consultancy role was too vague and might cause problems. If the club really wanted Rangnick he should have been promised DoF instead of Fletcher that has no experience at all. What are the powers of a consultant? Are they as well defined as that of a manager or that of a DoF. I am sure Rangnick saw the writing on the wall, which is why he took the Austrian job.

What i don't understand is how you are assessing him as a consultant or DoF (or whatever) based on his coaching record. How many DoFs have been assessed based on how they coached? He was never a great coach (though he was a decent one) but he was a very good DoF.

Then your friend was peddling the falsehood that a man who as DoF took RB Leipzig from 4th Division to Champions League semi-finalists in 8 years (the same time span we went from perennial league winners to perennial Top 4 hopefuls) was not successful as a DoF. There is almost no Top 5 list of DoFs from the past decade that does not have Rangnick in Top 5.

We should actually just move on and give ETH the maximum support possible. Rangnick's chapter in the club is closed.

afrodoc2:


This i think was the problem and why ETH didn't want him to stay. Their football philosophies are similar but not identical. Rangnick would have wanted to go for physical players with decent technique while ETH would have wanted technical players with with decent physicality.

I suspect Frenkie De Jong would have been a major point of disagreement.

KingTom:
So some of us dey pray make ETH no succeed because of Oga Toku Toku

TrebleChamp:
My assessment of RR is based on his horrible coaching record at United, i have said here on more than one occasion that i prefer him as DoF cos he is very blunt. He failed as an interim Manager at United, that is my only issue with him. I am happy he left cos i didn't see how he could effective manage the role of a consultant and Austria's Manager. I no hate the man, just hate his terrible performance as a manager of my beloved club....

YeahYeah01:

People are angry ETH won't get the required structure he needs to compete, y'all are saying another thing I don't get.

Obviously anyone arguing for a structure behind ETH wants him to succeed.

YeahYeah01:

I'm sure I've seen a lot of guys quote you different times that the Consultant job is not a full time job to the extent that he can't coach national team that play a couple of matches every year.

Are you saying you prefer just having Fletcher and Murtough making the decisions rather than Murtough-Fletcher-Rangnick?

YeahYeah01:
Rangnick coaching that Austrian team will see for himself some of these young talents all over Europe.

Imagine playing Serbia or Croatia and discovering a 18 year old that was subbed in, that has all the capabilities of being a world beater.

Will probably have more access to future talents than even most of the scouts.


And y'all are making it out like a disadvantage. You'll prefer he sits at an office in Manchester and check out scout reports.

TrebleChamp:
Kindly forward the bolded to ETH for answers...

larride:


Both you and the paper wey report this trash of a news are mad.

TrebleChamp:
People are angry? Did ETH complain he won't get the required structure cos Rafiu left the club? Do we know better than ETH who clearly doesn't want Rafiu at the club? Ten Haag doesn't want Rafiu at the club for whatever reason, so what do you expect the board to do? He would have been a good DoF, but United didn't offer him that role from the beginning. Abeg make we die this matter, ETH is in charge now. Let him manage the team the way he feels would work for him.....

TrebleChamp:
So he should be collecting Salary at United, while doing a full time job elsewhere? Sorry that maga tag is long gone, the board is financially wiser now (hopefully)....

Ellexy:
Honestly this Ralf's matter is being overblown, the gentleman's consultancy agreement was suppose to be part time anyway that's why accepted a full time job elsewhere. I'm sure he's given his assessment to ETH, we wish him all the best.

YeahYeah01:

Nigga said did ETH complain, lmao.
Y'all will keep playing into the hands of these guys. If you think ETH has a final say on who the consultant or whoever is.
If for whatever reason ETH doesn't like Rangnick, it doesn't in anyway affect his position at the club. Man will be working with Murtough. They are not even meant to like each other.

But I guess the club has released statements to journalists putting this on ETH's head. It's okay!

Leyqute:


This.

Wanted to mention it earlier.

A coach and a DoF doesn’t have to like each other for a club to be successful. They only have to do their jobs effectively.

nitrogen:


Lol, consultancy can be a full time role. It’s not medical line where doctors can consult or do PP. Also, it’s disrespectful to have such an arrangement at a club like man utd.

I actually think that Rauf is an opportunist.

nitrogen:


Lol, consultancy can be a full time role. It’s not medical line where doctors can consult or do PP. Also, it’s disrespectful to have such an arrangement at a club like man utd.

I actually think that Rauf is an opportunist.

YeahYeah01:

Nigga said did ETH complain, lmao.
Y'all will keep playing into the hands of these guys. If you think ETH has a final say on who the consultant or whoever is.
If for whatever reason ETH doesn't like Rangnick, it doesn't in anyway affect his position at the club. Man will be working with Murtough. They are not even meant to like each other.

But I guess the club has released statements to journalists putting this on ETH's head. It's okay!

ChristoBam:

And this is not even a DOF o. This is someone that'll basically be advising the DOF sometimes and calling the club attention to some steps to take. Which he had already started doing.

The only reason Ten Hag and Rangnick's relationship bacame a thing is because Rangnick managed the team for a while. So he definitely can advise Ten Hag on some things. Apart from that, nothing really concerns Ten Hag with Rangnick and Vice versa.


It's common sense. But guess what, these guys know people don't reason deeply into things and are playing everyone for punks.

Ellexy:
It can be full time but his own is not. So everybody who's working at United must be full time employee else it's disrespect to United?

ChristoBam:

You just hate the man for no just reason. He should have rejected the offer to Coach a national team to focus on Consultancy? Basically an advisor to the DOF.

nitrogen:


I don’t hate him, I don’t like him. I don’t think he is who we think he is.

Stay one place

TrebleChamp:
Kindly forward the bolded to ETH for answers...