Unlimited22:
Larride, I'm really sorry for this, especially as I imagine you're older than I am, but you are mad.

As in, ara n'agba gị.

You, your family and generation are mad.

What is this nonsense?

And bringing party talks into any conversation or argument that I hold here changes nothing when my post was clearly not even political in the first place.

Most of you can’t even hold a discussion without throwing tantrums like someone who they collected his biscuits.

All of you are sick in the head. Rubbish.

larride:


I am sure you are intelligent enough to know what I mean by “insider job”.

If you think “insider job” means it’s part of the congregation that carried out the attack then maybe you need to go pick up a dictionary of what that term means.

The church was deep at the center of the town very close to the King’s palace, for criminals to move to that location and leave swiftly means the tragedy was carried out by those that knows the terrain of the town very well.

I don’t know why most of you guys suddenly hibernate your thinking process whenever you want to have an argument or push an agenda.

When the dust settles and more information is revealed or the criminals are caught, everything will become clearer.

Meanwhile what I said up there remain true, japa can never be a solution for a country with a population of 200m. To fight insecurity, we need effective community policing.

Abeg make una help me see talk

Roland17:


And Naija saved the 50 people who were worshiping in peace from being slaughtered with bullets?

At least the shooter was killed in Uvalde was killed.

I need you to assure me right now that the killers of those 50 worshippers will be apprehended and brought to justice in Nigeria.

Do you think i am in any form supporting 9ja

The country is damn obviously.

Japa is excellent as i have stated earlier but IMO.shouting japa almost everytime even without the means to is quite insane.


Killing the shooter doesn't in any form stopped what has happened and will not stop d next guy from doing that..

In all.....i support japa but don't just bring that in every time sometin tragic happened

It's about to get Bloody. Where is Mr. Nice Guy.... abeg serve me Ice Cream and Popcorn.

larride:


So killings are okay as long as the criminals are caught.

I did not stop anyone from venting or expressing their frustration, I am not the cause of you not being able to properly interprete a simple statement that has no political undertone.

Killings did not start today and will never stop. So I don't understand this your jejune question
Your nonsense whataboutism is always the problem here. There will always be crime till the world ceases to exist. We know this

What separates the cesspit Nigeria has become to other countries is that you at least know for sure the killers will be caught

Where have you seen criminals ever get apprehended in Nigeria? You had bandits attack a train. Federal Government property in Kaduna. Kill people, kidnap people And the government did not catch anybody. Could not apprehend anybody. Southern Kaduna nko? Middle belt nko

And you're here talmbout Japa is not a solution. No shit Sherlock. What is now the solution. What solution have you proposed here besides dropping megedefegede party man arguments

A40:
What solution is your party providing to stop this carnage. Stop telling people japa is not a solution while endless carnage and killing keep occurring in your party's watch and they are showing zero competence to come up with solutions.

Telling people to Japa is better than what your party is currently doing. They're arguably the reason more Nigerians cannot japa

You can't beat a baby and tell it how to cry

During the EndSars, I had an argument with Ib.ime about community policing and that is what my stand will always be. We have a lot of ungoverned space which criminals take advantage of to carry out their activities.

There has been debate and bills to decentralize policing in the country which has always met obstacles but it is something we must continue to advocate for. That is the only way we can effectively combat the numerous insecurity issues we have. COMMUNITY POLICING.

I have nothing against that people that want to Japa if they have the means and resources to do so but I still stand on my initial post that Japa can never be the solution for a country of more then 200m people because 10% of the citizens can’t Japa. It’s the honest truth.

I don’t know how party talk comes into the discussion when it’s not even as if we are talking about a party or an individual.

The reason I’m not against Larride is because I’ll be selfish too with my opinion if i was a very active deep party man.

If you want to JAPA, I’ll tell you to relax that Tinubu is here for you, that he’s the solution and will create a secured and conducive environment for you, I’ll even tell you that he’ll turn Nigerian to America or UK in less than 7 days.

What need to be said must be said to keep the political ministry and interest going. This is why I’ll never risk my life to vote for a Nigerian politician.

Japa is the way!!!!

Nezzjnr:
Ahhhhhhhh Insider Job??.... All Because you're a party Man

I go dey drop takes when Football don come back.

Seun Fit ban me if I talk.

Please if you are here and you have an opportunity to relocate... Don't hesitate to do so.... Same people preaching against Japa.... Na them dey always pay ahead for Passport booklet.

Enter IOM for Ikeja ... You'll see their likes there.

Segedinho:

Do you think i am in any form supporting 9ja

The country is damn obviously.

Japa is excellent as i have stated earlier but IMO.shouting japa almost everytime even without the means to is quite insane.


Killing the shooter doesn't in any form stopped what has happened and will not stop d next guy from doing that..

In all.....i support japa but don't just bring that in every time sometin tragic happened

Don't make it read like Japa talk just start today. Japa has been an ongoing conversation and will remain and ongoing conversation in Naija, especially amongst Nigerian youth. This is not a new conversation or gist in Nigeria. Nigerians have been "Japaing" for decades.

If anything, today's killings only buttressed the argument for Japa for those who want to or are considering it because of their respective situations. Everyday, look around you and you will see enough reasons for young people to continue the japa conversation.

What kind of closure if any will the killing of the 50 in Owo bring when their killers can not be arrested or the Police held accountable for any of the killings and spate of insecurity?

A40:
Killings did not start today and will never stop. So I don't understand this your jejune question
Your nonsense whataboutism is always the problem here. There will always be crime till the world ceases to exist. We know this

What separates the cesspit Nigeria has become to other countries is that you at least know for sure the killers will be caught

Where have you seen criminals ever get apprehended in Nigeria? You had bandits attack a train. Federal Government property in Kaduna. Kill people, kidnap people And the government did not catch anybody. Could not apprehend anybody. Southern Kaduna nko? Middle belt nko

And you're here talmbout Japa is not a solution. No shit Sherlock. What is now the solution. What solution have you proposed here besides dropping megedefegede party man arguments

Please stop this nonsense.

In the first post to nihilist that I responded to, I clearly highlighted that community policing will be the game changer to our security issue.

We have a police force that’s understaff and stretched out, Infact the army is at the moment overstretched because they are doing the work of the police. Decentralize the police and let each community police themselves.

I have had this discussion before with ib.ime on this thread and my stance is clear. I do not do whataboutsim.

Infact I don’t even talk about APC like that or this thread but any small discussion whenever you guys see my moniker you just hibernate your thought process and start inferring what is not in my post.

You guys should stop that nonsense.

Ellexy:

Nezz said the truth on that.

Go to Twitter, you’ll see lots of them.

Next thing, they’ll snap abroad and caption it “Mama i made it”.

donstan18:
The reason I’m not against Larride is because I’ll be selfish too with my opinion if i was a very active deep party man.

If you want to JAPA, I’ll tell you to relax that Tinubu is here for you, that he’s the solution and will create a secured and conducive environment for you, I’ll even tell you that he’ll turn Nigerian to America or UK in less than 7 days.

What need to be said must be said to keep the political ministry and interest going. This is why I’ll never risk my life to vote for a Nigerian politician.

Japa is the way!!!!

But that is the THING.

Since this discussion started, I have not mentioned any politician or a political party. I only expressed my opinion about how japa cannot be the solution for the whole country with the kind population we have.

I did not ask anyone to vote for any candidate or any political party.

larride:


During the EndSars, I had an argument with Ib.ime about community policing and that is what my stand will always be. We have a lot of ungoverned space which criminals take advantage of to carry out their activities.

There has been debate and bills to decentralize policing in the country which has always met obstacles but it is something we must continue to advocate for. That is the only way we can effectively combat the numerous insecurity issues we have. COMMUNITY POLICING.

I have nothing against that people that want to Japa if they have the means and resources to do so but I still stand on my initial post that Japa can never be the solution for a country of more then 200m people because 10% of the citizens can’t Japa. It’s the honest truth.

I don’t know how party talk comes into the discussion when it’s not even as if we are talking about a party or an individual.

Your party is in charge in the state the attack happened, is in charge in Kaduna, in charge in Federal. In charge in Senate. If these bills are not passed whose fault?

We have been debating over 7 years. Debate no dey finish?

Allow people attacking your party to do so. You are affiliated with them so it's part of collateral damage

What is the difference between people shouting japa. And you advocating for the community policing that will never be implemented. What makes your argument superior to theirs?

Roland17:


Don't make it read like Japa talk just start today. Japa has been an ongoing conversation and will remain and ongoing conversation in Naija, especially amongst Nigerian youth. This is not a new conversation or gist in Nigeria. Nigerians have been "Japaing" for decades.

If anything, today's killings only buttressed the argument for Japa for those who want to or are considering it because of their respective situations. Everyday, look around you and you will see enough reasons for young people to continue the japa conversation.

What kind of closure if any will the killing of the 50 in Owo bring when their killers can not be arrested or the Police held accountable for any of the killings and spate of insecurity?

Thanks..i get your point bro....but b4 the japa we still need to try and live almost comfortably as we have really wanted


If the country can just be divided self

A40:
Your party is in charge in the state the attack happened, is in charge in Kaduna, in charge in Federal. In charge in Senate. If these bills are not passed whose fault?

We have been debating over 7 years. Debate no dey finish?

Allow people attacking your party to do so. You are affiliated with them so it's part of collateral damage

What is the difference between people shouting japa. And you advocating for the community policing that will never be implemented. What makes your argument superior to theirs?

You can't reason with someone whose entire thought process is built around Nigerian politicians.

Relocating to Berlin by Q4 with wifey.

Them go slaughter me with tax and I know my ability to manage money properly is about to be tested.

The relocation is not for me. Na my future sons/daughters I’m doing this shii for. Maybe i fit birth the next Karim Adeyemi.

This is my resolve: I CAN NEVER BRING CHILDREN INTO NIGERIA.

My children no go swear for me like I swear for my forebears wey get opportunity to japa but stayed back hoping Naija will improve

Roland17:


Don't make it read like Japa talk just start today. Japa has been an ongoing conversation and will remain and ongoing conversation in Naija, especially amongst Nigerian youth. This is not a new conversation or gist in Nigeria. Nigerians have been "Japaing" for decades.

If anything, today's killings only buttressed the argument for Japa for those who want to or are considering it because of their respective situations. Everyday, look around you and you will see enough reasons for young people to continue the japa conversation.

What kind of closure if any will the killing of the 50 in Owo bring when their killers can not be arrested or the Police held accountable for any of the killings and spate of insecurity?

Yes. Migration is not a new phenomenon. People will always seek greener pastures everywhere they can find it and like I said before, I am not against anyone japaing if they want to japa.

My stance is simple, as a country of over 200m people, Japa cannot be the solution because not everyone can japa, so the question remains, how do we take care and protect that haven’t japa or don’t even have the means to japa? That’s why I mentioned effective community policing. It’s in my first post to nihilist but someone everyone missed it.

The police in Owo is grossly inadequate and understaffed. The whole security architecture needs a complete overhaul to combat the new realities we are currently facing.

No one is happy with the constant killings and insecurities and for the sake of those that can’t japa, A solution must be found. It’s simple.

larride:


Please stop this nonsense.

In the first post to nihilist that I responded to, I clearly highlighted that community policing will be the game changer to our security issue.

We have a police force that’s understaff and stretched out, Infact the army is at the moment overstretched because they are doing the work of the police. Decentralize the police and let each community police themselves.

I have had this discussion before with ib.ime on this thread and my stance is clear. I do not do whataboutsim.

Infact I don’t even talk about APC like that or this thread but any small discussion whenever you guys see my moniker you just hibernate your thought process and start inferring what is not in my post.

You guys should stop that nonsense.

Failure is indeed an orphan. You're quick to defend any APC achievement here and inundate us with nonsense.

Now that we highlight their glaring failure you deny them like an illegitimate child. We all know about Community policing Captain Obvious. Why then are your principals not implementing it. Why can they not catch anybody? Why do we have your leaders speaking to the masses like they are powerless citizens and not the ones entrusted with securing life and property

This is what you should be explaining not this drivel you wrote here

donstan18:

Nezz said the truth on that.

Go to Twitter, you’ll see lots of them.

Next thing, they’ll snap abroad and caption it “Mama i made it”.

What Larride said is the truth. "Japa is not the solution to Nigeria's problems and can never be".

Nobody on this thread is against japa, but izzit the solution to this terrorism, corruption etc we are facing in this country?

The leaders have failed yes, the system is against the average young man yes, but if Nigeria will get it right, how is japa the solution?

larride:


But that is the THING.

Since this discussion started, I have not mentioned any politician or a political party. I only expressed my opinion about how japa cannot be the solution for the whole country with the kind population we have.

I did not ask anyone to vote for any candidate or any political party.

Nobody sincerely gives a fvck about the solution to Nigeria because there’s none.

Both of us knows this.

While I’ve respected and keep respecting your civil and reasonable way of engaging debates, but you’ll be telling yourselves lots of lies if you say your first quote on Nihilistjnr wasn’t engineered with little sprinkles of political views and selfishness.

No condemnation of what happened, no remorse, just direct USA comparison and usual “insider” cappings from politicians.

Japa if you have the means and willingness to, ignore the message if you don’t have the funds or willingness to, how’s this too difficult to understand

Unlimited22:

You can't reason with someone whose entire thought process is built around Nigerian politicians.

Leave am. He wants to pretend he is not partisan today. Talmbout Japa is not the solution. As if people don't know already

Ellexy:
What Larride said is the truth. "Japa is not the solution to Nigeria's problems and can never be".

Nobody on this thread is against japa, but izzit the solution to this terrorism, corruption etc we are facing in this country?

The leaders have failed yes, the system is against the average young man yes, but if Nigeria will get it right, how is japa the solution?

Nobody here cares about Nigeria’s solution. It’s some selfish shiit! We want solutions and ways to give ourselves and coming generations good life and JAPA is the way.

Me and you no send Nigerians once we travel.

larride:


So killings are okay as long as the criminals are caught.

I did not stop anyone from venting or expressing their frustration, I am not the cause of you not being able to properly interprete a simple statement that has no political undertone.

There is tendency for more crimes to happen in a society where criminals are rarely apprehended.

Bro I want to ask you a sincere question, do you present your Nairaland posts as report card to your senior party members.

A40:
Your party is in charge in the state the attack happened, is in charge in Kaduna, in charge in Federal. In charge in Senate. If these bills are not passed whose fault?

We have been debating over 7 years. Debate no dey finish?

Allow people attacking your party to do so. You are affiliated with them so it's part of collateral damage

What is the difference between people shouting japa. And you advocating for the community policing that will never be implemented. What makes your argument superior to theirs?

I never stop anyone from attacking the party or even the President. It’s their right to rightly criticize those that handle the affairs of the country.

What makes my argument superior to theirs is that, 200m people cannot japa but a form of community policing can happen.

Again I’ll say it, anyone that want to japa or have the resources to japa should do everything within them to JAPA but Japa is not the solution for a country of 200m.

ToyinDipo:

There is tendency for more crimes to happen in a society where criminals are rarely apprehended.

Bro I want to ask you a sincere question, do you present your Nairaland posts as report card to your senior party members.

If you have challenges reading, I can’t help you.

Segedinho:

If i have the means...none of my children will school here but the issue is where is the fund

I am not against japa at all...i am just saying shouting japa every now and then even without the funds isn't normal

For the fact you have two brothers in UK, japa is more within your reach than others.

Japa usually starts with raising a few $k for down payment on a Masters. When you reach you pay the rest through hustle. Not saying you have it to hand, but if you have the will, with your family connections, only you can deny yourself.

I have a cousin that was admitted straight into British Army from Naija. Nigga was simultaneously applying for National Defence college when someone told him British army takes straight from Naija. That was 10 years ago. In the 10 years since, bros has married a doctor, bought a house outside his army accomodation, had 2 children and currently sponsoring his brother for PHD in Aberdeen, so that's two members of his family japa'd, and he funds that by doing Amazon deliveries or truck driving in the evening after army work. Infact there are many Africans in his regiment straight from Naija, Ghana, Gambia etc. Most those boys leave work 12pm (British Army na cruise) and they do lorry driving and deliveries all evening. Some of those guys own car lots in their home countries from the hustle.

What Roland is saying about having willpower has some truth to it. I was here on Nairaland when Dayo and Afrodoc japa. Afrodoc route took him through Trinidad, same with my cousin who had been trying to Japa for years. Afrodoc from there blended Aussie while my cousin blended UK and is now a GP. Ogbeche our mod of this section Japa with nothing in his hand but pure willpower. All he had was a degree in Agric and nigga was applying for various scholarships. I helped with some applications, next thing a PHD in Germany clicked. Last time I spoke to Ogbeche, he was solidified over there with a German wife and was touring Europe, with plans to visit here before pandemic took over.

I can never say I had to hustle to Japa because it was easy for me, but I have seen enough people do it even without Canada laying on easy work visa for them. If you are aged 20 to 30 with a decent education mehn, you'll be doing yourself a disservice not trying to Japa through education route

larride:


I never stop anyone from attacking the party or even the President. It’s their right to rightly criticize those that handle the affairs of the country.

What makes my argument superior to theirs is that, 200m people cannot japa but a form of community policing can happen.

Again I’ll say it, anyone that want to japa or have the resources to japa should do everything within them to JAPA but Japa is not the solution for a country of 200m.

Why is no one implementing your community policing system. Over 7 years in that Godforsaken administration? Seems to me your argument and theirs is a tie

afrodoc2:


Correction. I ran at my 15th sight of trouble. If we are to count all the sightings of trouble in Nigeria from 1960 till date it will be more than 1,850.


For anyone reading:
It is okay to run at the 1,850th sight of trouble.


Finally, real selfishness is for me, Dayo, Roland, Ibime, Nihilist or any of the other people who took the japa route to come here and encourage people to stay back and struggle for Nigeria. Enjoying Western system and telling people to stay back in Nigeria is the real selfishness.

I won't live anyone's life for him or her. Do whatever you want. As for me I embrace my cowardice with full chest and bailed out of Nigeria. If you're a coward like me find your way out to the nearest country you can even start from Ghana. And work your way out gradually

But if you're from the tribe of warriors stay back and fight for Nigeria. It's not by force to live the way someone wants you to

Ibime:


For the fact you have two brothers in UK, japa is more within your reach than others.

Japa usually starts with raising a few $k for down payment on a Masters. When you reach you pay the rest through hustle. Not saying you have it to hand, but if you have the will, with your family connections, only you can deny yourself.

I have a cousin that was admitted straight into British Army from Naija. Nigga was simultaneously applying for National Defence college when someone told him British army takes straight from Naija. That was 10 years ago. In the 10 years since, bros has married a doctor, bought a house outside his army accomodation, had 2 children and currently sponsoring his brother for PHD in Aberdeen, so that's two members of his family japa'd, and he funds that by doing Amazon deliveries or truck driving in the evening after army work. Infact there are many Africans in his regiment straight from Naija, Ghana, Gambia etc. Most those boys leave work 12pm (British Army na cruise) and they do lorry driving and deliveries all evening. Some of those guys own car lots in their home countries from the hustle.

What Roland is saying about having willpower has some truth to it. I was here on Nairaland when Dayo and Afrodoc japa. Afrodoc route took him through Trinidad, same with my cousin who had been trying to Japa for years. Afrodoc from there blended Aussie while my cousin blended UK and is now a GP. Ogbeche our mod of this section Japa with nothing in his hand but pure willpower. All he had was a degree in Agric and nigga was applying for various scholarships. I helped with some applications, next thing a PHD in Germany clicked. Last time I spoke to Ogbeche, he was solidified over there with a German wife and was touring Europe, with plans to visit here before pandemic took over.

I can never say I had to hustle to Japa because it was easy for me, but I have seen enough people do it even without Canada laying on easy work visa for them.

Thanks..

Havertz10:
it’s a black man thing, we don’t often see the big picture

Like the black Ukrainians fleeing their country
Like the black Mexicans storming America daily
Like the black Syrians all over Europe when they can stay back and fight

Shame on black man thing