kimco:


A faithful man like Job's life was gambled with just because God wanted to win a bet with satan. Not even the administrators of Betnaija will do this.
Some say it was to strengthen Job spiritually. What rubbish. Do you know what it does to a man to lose all his loved ones that he used to have? Forget the properties but the family members: his children and grand kids. Even if he were to get double that do you think he will remain the same? God traumatized Job for his amusement when he knew Job will be successful ( He is omnipotent, remember) so what was the need? Spiritual maturity vrs emotional traimatization? Either way you look at Job's story it does not paint a good color of God. Even went as far as admonition Job for crying out. How eternally wicked of YHWH.

The above is to paint a picture of how everything happening must be part of God's plan to make things dramatic for his amusement, like a hollywood director (If you are a believer). God works with Satan my brother.

I think you may want to read this response below;

Ken4Christ:


Satan does not work for God. Rather, he seeks permission from God before he can perform his evil schemes on God's own people. But he only succeeds in getting his permission granted if he has a good argument to put forth. Besides, Job was under Satan's power or dominion by virtue of the sin of Adam. There is no recorded Covenant between God and Job that would have permitted God to stop Satan. If God does that, he will be infringing on Satan's legality over Job. Hence, he told Satan;

Job 1:12
...Behold, ALL THAT HE HATH IS IN THY POWER; only upon himself put not forth thine hand...

But it's no longer so. Those in Christ have been delivered from the power of darkness. Satan can only have access to us if we yield ourselves to obey our sinful desires. This is why it's important you keep yourself from sin so that the devil will have nothing to accuse you of.

And even if you sin, be quick to repent and depend on his grace to overcome any wrong habit that easily overwhelms you.

Mikee19:


Thank you for this. I was honestly perturbed that anybody in good faith can say such a thing as he said with all the evidence that abound. I didn't notice he isn't counting "year" and "month" as date the same way as I was. This is all semantics now, meaningless arguing over words as to what constitutes a "date". It's pointless. My point still stands regardless! I will henceforth switch to using "year" and "sometimes month" with him. Doesn't change a thing regarding my point!

@ MaxInDHouse, if you're speaking about a specific day of a specific month in a specific year listed in the watchtower publications, no, no such thing exists, the watchtower didn't go as far, but that's got nothing on my point.... My point is that, by using their own scriptural interpretation, the very same one they use in bringing forth doctrine on trinity, hell, heaven, the anointed, etc, that same scriptural interpretation was what they used in coming forth with different "years" (since you like that word better) when they predicted things concerning Armageddon, the kingdom of God, etc, and every single year they predicted failed! Sometimes even month within a year! It made no difference, it ALWAYS failed!

And these are the same people you decide to entrust your soul to with other scriptural interpretation that didn't have a due "year" (or "month within a year", since your prefer such semantics) so as to show them false when each time they gave a year or month within a year it always failed!

Jesus DID NOT give a year, nor did John the Baptist. Your organization tested their skills with their scriptural ability and failed EACH TIME! But they're the ones who can suddenly now determine doctrine just because there is no due "year" or "month within a year" that will pass to prove it false? In any other field, anybody won't be as foolish as to trust ppl with 100% failure record when they tried to give a due "year" or "month within a year"!

Case closed!

MaxInDHouse:


Case closed!

It matters not to you that they have a 100% fail rate with respect to years they've set and at times month in years? All you're glad about is that they didn't set a day, but failure in years and months is ok? Lol. That's interesting.

As you please, entrust your soul to those with a 100% fail rate with years and months of years, believing that miraculously they got it right in these other things, just cause they don't have any such year or month to show them up as frauds this time around.

Cheers

kimco:
1. A faithful man like Job's life was gambled with just because God wanted to win a bet with satan. Not even the administrators of Betnaija will do this. Some say it was to strengthen Job spiritually. What rubbish. Do you know what it does to a man to lose all his loved ones that he used to have? Forget the properties but the family members: his children and grand kids. Even if he were to get double that do you think he will remain the same? God traumatized Job for his amusement when he knew Job will be successful ( He is omnipotent, remember) so what was the need?

2. Spiritual maturity vrs emotional traimatization? Either way you look at Job's story it does not paint a good color of God. Even went as far as admonition Job for crying out. How eternally wicked of YHWH.

3. The above is to paint a picture of how everything happening must be part of God's plan to make things dramatic for his amusement, like a hollywood director (If you are a believer). God works with Satan my brother.

1. The important thing is you admit God did it to Job, not Satan. The "glory" of that which happened to Job rightly went to God and not to Satan who was simply God's orders. Job made sure of that throuhout his ordeal. Something very much unlike what is obtained with millions in Christiandom who instead glorify Satan every chance they get.

2. Well, God never promised even Job tranquility on earth, so the trauma he experienced was, I wouldn't say to be expected, but not out of the question.

Yes, God did kind of admonish Job for demanding he be allowed to make his case before God but God blessed Job for doing exactly what he, Job did. Meaning it was not wrong for Job to demand answers for God in the way He did. God answered Job, did He not? If that isn't a good picture of YHWH, I don't know what else is.

3. I would rather state that the story of Job teaches of How it is, all of it, under the sovereign control of God. He allows it all to happen, this as He holds the reigns on it all.

As for Satan, he definitely works for God, not as a brother, but a servant who does the bidding of the the who is His Master and creator after all.

Mikee19:

It matters not to you that they have a 100% fail rate with respect to years they've set and at times month in years? All you're glad about is that they didn't set a day, but failure in years and months is ok? Lol. That's interesting.
As you please, entrust your soul to those with a 100% fail rate with years and months of years, believing that miraculously they got it right in these other things, just cause they don't have any such year or month to show them up as frauds this time around.
Cheers

When will your "Cheers" ever end?

I've told you the truth but it's obvious you're not ready for it so sooth yourself.
The Bible has always talked about the end of the world right from Genesis till today and the world never end. So if you're interested in the years God's people has been declaring the end then trash your Bible but if it's about a specific date that you want to discuss please keep it because the end is approaching gradually with inexcusable evidence as events are unfolding one after another in preparation of the end of all badness, the only thing God never disclose to anyone is the specific date.
That's why i told you that you've not been diligent enough with your study!

Kobojunkie:
1. The important thing is you admit God did it to Job, not Satan. The "glory" of that which happened to Job rightly went to God and not to Satan who was simply God's orders. Job made sure of that throuhout his ordeal. Something very much unlike what is obtained with millions in Christiandom who instead glorify Satan every chance they get.

2. Well, God never promised even Job tranquility on earth, so the trauma he experienced was, I wouldn't say to be expected, but not out of the question.

Yes, God did kind of admonish Job for demanding he be allowed to make his case before God but God blessed Job for doing exactly what he, Job did. Meaning it was not wrong for Job to demand answers for God in the way He did. God answered Job, did He not? If that isn't a good picture of YHWH, I don't know what else is.

3. I would rather state that the story of Job teaches of How it is, all of it, under the sovereign control of God. He allows it all to happen, this as He holds the reigns on it all.

As for Satan, he definitely works for God, not as a brother, but a servant who does the bidding of the the who is His Master and creator after all.

"For God so loved the world".
John must have been smoking camel dunk when he coined that verse.

If God can out of the ordinary cause job to go through such terror unprovoked, it makes me wonder wether the serpent of old and father of lies isn't God himself..

It makes sense now, why else would you want your creation to fall to temptation and eventually death by creating their destruction(Tree of knowledge) ? Lol..
You're doing a good job today of providing lots of reasons why we should abandon the crazy idea of a God in the sky

kkins25:
1. "For God so loved the world".
John must have been smoking camel dunk when he coined that verse.

2. If God can out of the ordinary cause job to go through such terror unprovoked, it makes me wonder wether the serpent of old and father of lies isn't God himself..

3. It makes sense now, why else would you want your creation to fall to temptation and eventually death by creating their destruction(Tree of knowledge) ? Lol..
You're doing a good job today of providing lots of reasons why we should abandon the crazy idea of a God in the sky

1. Help me understand what this verse has to do with this please.

2. But God never lied to anyone, even Job, of His intentions. Even throuhout his ordeal, job acknowledged this fact of God.

3. I am afraid you are mistaken. The tree of knowledge of good and of evil aka TRUTH wasn't meant for man's destruction at all. After all it js the same Eternal Life(from the tree of Life) and Truth( from the tree of knowledge of good and evil) that we now feed from in the person of Jesus Christ - John 14 vs 6

As for abandoning God, we'll, He never forced Himself on you to begin with. That is why John 3 vs 16 says HIS promise applies only to those who believe in Him.

Kobojunkie:
1. Help me understand what this verse has to do with this please.

2. But God never lied to anyone, even Job, of His intentions. Even throughout his ordeal, job acknowledged this fact of God.

No intentions were made to job. Why would any sane man agree to a plan to wipe all his children and family to test his faith? ARe you normal sir

3. I am afraid you are mistaken. The tree of knowledge of good and of evil aka TRUTH wasn't meant for man's destruction at all. After all, it is the same Eternal Life(from the tree of Life) and Truth( from the tree of knowledge of good and evil) that we now feed from in the person of Jesus Christ - John 14 vs 6

So why were they cast out?

As for abandoning God, we'll, He never forced Himself on you to begin with. That is why John 3 vs 16 says HIS promise applies only to those who believe in Him.

never forced himself on me, but id be gnashing my teeth and begging for a drop of water for my lack of faith. I no be shau khan, i for say "DON'T Make me Laugh. hahaha"

Kobojunkie:
1. Help me understand what this verse has to do with this please.

2. But God never lied to anyone, even Job, of His intentions. Even throuhout his ordeal, job acknowledged this fact of God.

3. I am afraid you are mistaken. The tree of knowledge of good and of evil aka TRUTH wasn't meant for man's destruction at all. After all it js the same Eternal Life(from the tree of Life) and Truth( from the tree of knowledge of good and evil) that we now feed from in the person of Jesus Christ - John 14 vs 6

As for abandoning God, we'll, He never forced Himself on you to begin with. That is why John 3 vs 16 says HIS promise applies only to those who believe in Him.

You love your daughter don't you? wouldn't you protect your daugther from any life threatning situation? if you claim god is god of the living and not the dead then it is obvious that god is supposed to be doing every thing in his unlimited power to keep his children alive. Does he? No. when death comes, according to you, not even the son of man is safe.

kkins25:
1. No intentions were made to job. Why would any sane man agree to a plan to wipe all his children and family to test his faith? ARe you normal sir

2. So why were they cast out?

3. never forced himself on me, but id be gnashing my teeth and begging for a drop of water for my lack of faith. I no be shau khan, i for say "DON'T Make me Laugh. hahaha"

1. God does not seek man's permission as far as what He, God, can or cannot do. Wasn't that pretty much the gist of what God explained in to Job at the end? .

2. Because they didn't want God's plan, and so God left them to their own devices.

3. I am afraid you are mistaken. Jesus Christ made it abundantly clear to you that you must be born-again to enter even through the broad gate which leads to destruction aka Hell. Only those who believe in God can be condemned to Hell.

Take time out to read the book for your own self.

kkins25:
1. You love your daughter don't you? wouldn't you protect your daugther from any life threatning situation?

2. if you claim god is god of the living and not the dead then it is obvious that god is supposed to be doing every thing in his unlimited power to keep his children alive. Does he? No. when death comes, according to you, not even the son of man is safe.

1. I can only love as humans can.

2. Again, you misconstrue what Jesus Christ said there. "the dead" there refers to those who have perished aka ceased to exist. God is God over those who have eternal life aka those who believe in Him, and not those who don’t believe in Him aka those either condemned to perish or already perished. That is the message Jesus Christ spoke there.

Salvation isn't so you can live longer on this here planet.

Mikee19:


Thank you for this. I was honestly perturbed that anybody in good faith can say such a thing as he said with all the evidence that abound. I didn't notice he isn't counting "year" and "month" as date the same way as I was. This is all semantics now, meaningless arguing over words as to what constitutes a "date". It's pointless. My point still stands regardless! I will henceforth switch to using "year" and "sometimes month" with him. Doesn't change a thing regarding my point!

@ MaxInDHouse, if you're speaking about a specific day of a specific month in a specific year listed in the watchtower publications, no, no such thing exists, the watchtower didn't go as far, but that's got nothing on my point.... My point is that, by using their own scriptural interpretation, the very same one they use in bringing forth doctrine on trinity, hell, heaven, the anointed, etc, that same scriptural interpretation was what they used in coming forth with different "years" (since you like that word better) when they predicted things concerning Armageddon, the kingdom of God, etc, and every single year they predicted failed! Sometimes even month within a year! It made no difference, it ALWAYS failed!

And these are the same people you decide to entrust your soul to with other scriptural interpretation that didn't have a due "year" (or "month within a year", since your prefer such semantics) so as to show them false when each time they gave a year or month within a year it always failed!

Jesus DID NOT give a year, nor did John the Baptist. Your organization tested their skills with their scriptural ability and failed EACH TIME! But they're the ones who can suddenly now determine doctrine just because there is no due "year" or "month within a year" that will pass to prove it false? In any other field, anybody won't be as foolish as to trust ppl with 100% failure record when they tried to give a due "year" or "month within a year"!

When organization is founded on lies, you should know that 99.9% of its members must have the same lying tongue.

I've actually done justice to his lies unfortunately my posts were deleted by antibot/spam and I was banned twice for the lengthy of the post or maybe from the attached. So I have to screenshot them.

Mikee19 113527959: @ MaxInDHouse, if you're speaking about a specific day of a specific month in a specific year listed in the watchtower publications, no, no such thing exists

There are actual dates in their publications, he is just a lying liar who can go to any length to defend Watchtower.

Only a person living with the spirit of lies will look at those screenshot and claim no DATE there.

In fact, if I should post all Watchtower failed prophecies 3pages won't be enough.

So how come the self acclaimed intelligence officer didn't come across all this SPECIFIC DATE in his thorough research? I know he never did any research but just lying.

I have the feeling that he knows about many flaws in JWs teachings and he imagines how those TEACHINGS SHOULD HAVE BEEN rather than the way Watchtower put them, reason why you'll see him saying things that go against the organization itself.
But just as I always say, it's a person who pride in his ignorance.

Look at this statement from him: "Just admit your mistake, put the devil to shame and move on with your findings, but this time around make sure of all things! 1Thess 5:21"

Who should admit of making mistakes between two of you?

Who is boldly lying on what has been known for years?

Lastly, see him telling you to "MAKE SURE OF ALL THINGS according to 1 Thess 5:21 but the same self acclaimed intelligence officer never took his own advice or put into practice that 1 Thess 5:22 before he claimed on this forum that I Emusan I'm the same person behind the monikers of OLAADEGBU and johnw47.
Anyways, you can't help but to just on such a deluded self acclaimed intelligence officer!

MaxInDHouse:
No intelligent individual needs all these stories Sir

No intelligent individual won't see SPECIFIC DATE in Watchtower failed prophecies.

all i asked is a single publication of JWs where a specific date e.g (6-6-2022) was mentioned regarding the end of the world.
Thanks!

Rutherford has this to tell you

"What, then, should we expect to take place? The chief thing to be restored is the human race to life; and since other Scriptures definitely fix the fact that there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other faithful ones of old, and that these will have the first favour, we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth." Millions Now Living Will Never Die! p.88

"When you take up a more advanced study of the Bible, you will find that the year 1925 A. D. is particularly marked in prophecy." The Way to Paradise p.220

"Good morning! Do you know that millions now living will never die? I mean just what I say - that millions now living are never going to die. "The Finished Mystery", the posthumous work of Pastor Russell, tells why there are l millions now living who will never die; and if you can keep alive until 1925 you have excellent chances of being one of them... It is an absolute fact, stated in every book of the Bible, foretold by every prophet of the Bible."

At least I'm not the one who published all those books

Emusan:

No intelligent individual won't see SPECIFIC DATE in Watchtower failed prophecies.
Rutherford has this to tell you
"What, then, should we expect to take place? The chief thing to be restored is the human race to life; and since other Scriptures definitely fix the fact that there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other faithful ones of old, and that these will have the first favour, we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth." Millions Now Living Will Never Die! p.88
"When you take up a more advanced study of the Bible, you will find that the year 1925 A. D. is particularly marked in prophecy." The Way to Paradise p.220
"Good morning! Do you know that millions now living will never die? "I mean just what say - that millions now living are never going to die. 'The Finished Mystery', the posthumous work of Pastor Russell, tells why there are l millions now living who will never die; and if you can keep alive until 1925 you have excellent chances of being one of them... It is an absolute fact, stated in every book of the Bible, foretold by every prophet of the Bible."[/b]
At least I'm not the one who published all those books

Ọ̀gbẹ́ni, have you noticed that there's no specific date MENTIONED as the day God's Kingdom will come in any of the publications of Watchtower?

If it's about their faith regarding expectations of the fulfilment of Bible prophecies, it is well recorded in the Bible that faithful servants of God in the first century had such expectations too {Act 1:6} but no specific date was mentioned.

So case closed!

MaxInDHouse:
Ọ̀gbẹ́ni, have you noticed that there's no specific date MENTIONED as the day God's Kingdom will come in any of the publications of Watchtower?

If you have just a single shame you won't be repeating this

Rush to Hall pick your brain and read this slowly "...Scriptures definitely fix the fact that there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other faithful ones of old, and that these will have the first favour, we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible"

If it's about their faith regarding expectations of the fulfilment of Bible prophecies, it is well recorded in the Bible that faithful servants of God in the first century had such expectations too {Act 1:6} but no specific date was mentioned.

So case closed!

As usual continue to lie to yourself.

It was stated boldly that 1925 will be the RESURRECTION TO EARTH OF Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the rest. Which is the purpose of the book titled "Million now LIVE will never Die"

So where in the first century do the first Christian ever expected the resurrection of the OLD SAINTS?

It's no more about SPECIFIC DATE

@Mikee19 copy this!

Emusan:


If you have just a single shame you won't be repeating this

Rush to Hall pick your brain and read this slowly "...Scriptures definitely fix the fact that there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other faithful ones of old, and that these will have the first favour, we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible"



As usual continue to lie to yourself.

It was stated boldly that 1925 will be the RESURRECTION TO EARTH OF Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the rest. Which is the purpose of the book titled "Million now LIVE will never Die"

So where in the first century do the first Christian ever expected the resurrection of the OLD SAINTS?

It's no more about SPECIFIC DATE

@Mikee19 copy this!

Faithless Deeperlifer!

John the baptist questioned Jesus:

"Are you the Coming One, or are we to expect a different one?” Matthew 11:3

The Apostles asked Jesus:

“Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?” Act 1:6

These are faithful people who were doing the works of faith. None of them mentioned a specific date rather they were eagerly anticipating the fulfilment of God's promises just like their modern day brothers JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

So if you don't appreciate the faith this people showed by doing the work Jesus gave them we do because we're seeing all the fulfilment of what Jesus said about his future disciples in them. They are producing exactly the same FRUITAGE of faith like servants of God in ancient times! Matthew 7:16-18

Oh no Emusan has been barred!
Well i'm expecting your comment my friend anytime anyday regarding God's people.
I always tell people around me that if we are to concentrate on the flaws faithless humans are talking about then there's no way we can say we believe in Jesus of Nazareth.
He himself knew very well that many even among his own people will be stumbled if they keep contemplating on flaws rather what God said about the Christ:

"Happy is the one who finds no cause for stumbling in me.” Matthew 11:6

Even Peter confirmed that faithless people will be stumbled and offended:

It is to you, therefore, that he is precious, because you are believers; but to those not believing, “the stone that the builders rejected, this has become the chief cornerstone” and “a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.” They are stumbling because they are disobedient to the word. To this very end they were appointed. 1Peter 2:7-8

So if you're expecting imperfect humans to be perfect in their assignment then you can never believe in any form of worship as God's arrangement. There will always be errors in the way humans do things because they are imperfect but no matter what the sign that God is working with them will be there:
They will produce fine fruit of faith {Matthew 7:16-18} and Satan will continue to give you reasons why you should not work with them even when everyone can see that there's no better performing group than them!

Kobojunkie:
1. I can only love as humans can.

I like these confessions you're making. This means you are incapable of understanding what love is except the human experience right. So how then do you know god loves you? We often say a Dog's man's best friend but you and I both know dogs experience stimulus differently from us and how they express their responses also differs. We might interpret a wiggling tail to mean happiness, but there are a plethora of interpretations as vets have pointed out.
We can see and interact with the dog, but not with god. yet, you claim to understand the working principles of the latter- even though we haven't understood the former given all the technology at our disposal.

2. Again, you misconstrue what Jesus Christ said there. "the dead" there refers to those who have perished aka ceased to exist. God is God over those who have eternal life aka those who believe in Him, and not those who don’t believe in Him aka those either condemned to perish or already perished. That is the message Jesus Christ spoke there.

Salvation isn't so you can live longer on this here planet.

I don't know what @bolded means. Are there levels to death? some people are more "dead" than others?

MaxInDHouse:
Oh no Emusan has been barred!
Well i'm expecting your comment my friend anytime anyday regarding God's people.
I always tell people around me that if we are to concentrate on the flaws faithless humans are talking about then there's no way we can say we believe in Jesus of Nazareth.
He himself knew very well that many even among his own people will be stumbled if they keep contemplating on flaws rather what God said about the Christ:

"Happy is the one who finds no cause for stumbling in me.” Matthew 11:6

Even Peter confirmed that faithless people will be stumbled and offended:

It is to you, therefore, that he is precious, because you are believers; but to those not believing, “the stone that the builders rejected, this has become the chief cornerstone” and “a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.” They are stumbling because they are disobedient to the word. To this very end they were appointed. 1Peter 2:7-8

So if you're expecting imperfect humans to be perfect in their assignment then you can never believe in any form of worship as God's arrangement. There will always be errors in the way humans do things because they are imperfect but no matter what the sign that God is working with them will be there:
They will produce fine fruit of faith {Matthew 7:16-18} and Satan will continue to give you reasons why you should not work with them even when everyone can see that there's no better performing group than them!

Why not drop another punchline instead of recycling from the bin in your head?


With all your money, you can't afford something new.

kkins25:
1. I like these confessions you're making. This means you are incapable of understanding what love is except the human experience right. So how then do you know god loves you?

1b. We often say a Dog's man's best friend but you and I both know dogs experience stimulus differently from us and how they express their responses also differs. We might interpret a wiggling tail to mean happiness, but there are a plethora of interpretations as vets have pointed out.
We can see and interact with the dog, but not with god. yet, you claim to understand the working principles of the latter- even though we haven't understood the former given all the technology at our disposal.

2. I don't know what @bolded means. Are there levels to death? some people are more "dead" than others? ;

1a. What I said was I can only love as humans cans. That in no way implies that I can not understand God's Love. Try to keep up!

1b. My understanding comes from that which God has given. Dogs do not given men any understanding beyond that which is observed hence the reason why men are yet to understand dogs even with all the technology at our disposal.

2. Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22, God judgement was that men would perish. I.e. cease to exist. when they die, for their unbelief -From dust you were made and to dust you return. . From birth, the unbeliever is condemned to perish in the grave so he is counted pretty much among the dead.

However, when such a one decides to accept God, only then is he gifted with eternal life and is no longer counted among the dead - those condemned to perish in the grave - but joins the living who even when dead, sleep instead..

HellVictorinho4:

Why not drop another punchline instead of recycling from the bin in your head?
With all your money, you can't afford something new.

Sorry beggar, we're not talking about money here!

MaxInDHouse:
Oh no Emusan has been barred!
Well i'm expecting your comment my friend anytime anyday regarding God's people.
I always tell people around me that if we are to concentrate on the flaws faithless humans are talking about then there's no way we can say we believe in Jesus of Nazareth.
He himself knew very well that many even among his own people will be stumbled if they keep contemplating on flaws rather what God said about the Christ:
"Happy is the one who finds no cause for stumbling in me.” Matthew 11:6
Even Peter confirmed that faithless people will be stumbled and offended:
It is to you, therefore, that he is precious, because you are believers; but to those not believing, “the stone that the builders rejected, this has become the chief cornerstone” and “a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.” They are stumbling because they are disobedient to the word. To this very end they were appointed. 1Peter 2:7-8
So if you're expecting imperfect humans to be perfect in their assignment then you can never believe in any form of worship as God's arrangement. There will always be errors in the way humans do things because they are imperfect but no matter what the sign that God is working with them will be there:
They will produce fine fruit of faith {Matthew 7:16-18} and Satan will continue to give you reasons why you should not work with them even when everyone can see that there's no better performing group than them!

What do you mean he's been barred?

Kobojunkie:
1a. What I said is I can only love as humans cans. That in no way implies that I can not understand God's Love. Try to keep up!

1b. My understanding comes from that which God has given. Dogs do not given men any understanding beyond that which is observed hence the reason why men are yet to understand dogs even with all the technology at our disposal.

2. Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22, God judgement was that men would perish. I.e. cease to exist. when they die, for their unbelief -From dust you were made and to dust you return. . From birth, the unbeliever is condemned to perish in the grave so he is counted pretty much among the dead.

However, when such a one decides to accept God, only then is he gifted with eternal life and is no longer counted among the dead - those condemned to perish in the grave - but joins the living who even when dead, sleep instead..

Then what is god's love, since you have comprehended it? How do i differentiate this love from the human associated concept of love. If gods love is greater then how do you measure it? How do you feel it?

Most importantly, how does god exhibit this love? creating something doesn't necessarily have ro be associated with love. since we are both conditioned to feel with our sensory neurons then you and i should be able to experience this love to the same extent.

cornelboy:


What do you mean he's been barred?

There's this thing in their system on Nairaland that often bar accounts and it will take the next 24 hours to recover your account.
That's what just happened to Emusan!

kkins25:
1. Then what is god's love, since you have comprehended it? How do i differentiate this love from the human associated concept of love. If gods love is greater then how do you measure it? How do you feel it?

2. Most importantly, how does god exhibit this love? creating something doesn't necessarily have ro be associated with love. since we are both conditioned to feel with our sensory neurons then you and i should be able to experience this love to the same extent.

1. You are told God is Love itself meaning everything God does is love. You are human so it is easier for you to understand that which pertains to humans than it is to understand that which does not, that's a given.

2. His every act is Love in action.

MaxInDHouse:


Sorry beggar, we're not talking about money here!

Drop another one

MaxInDHouse:

There's this thing in their system on Nairaland that often bar accounts and it will take the next 24 hours to recover your account.
That's what just happened to Emusan!

Alright sir

MaxInDHouse:


There's this thing in their system on Nairaland that often bar accounts and it will take the next 24 hours to recover your account.
That's what just happened to Emusan!

How did you detect he was banned?

Mikee19:

How did you detect he was banned?

I said barred not banned

Don't worry my guy, if my own brother believe me it's enough you can choose whatever you want to believe but know that Emusan won't be able to make any comments on Nairaland until tomorrow afternoon!

MaxInDHouse:


I said barred not banned

Don't worry my guy, if my own brother believe me it's enough you can choose whatever you want to believe but know that Emusan won't be able to make any comments on Nairaland until tomorrow afternoon!

No I only wanted to know how to detect it now. Like how do I know a person is barred?