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Re: Plateau Diocese Dissociates From Denying Members Without PVC Access To Church by Owologbo(m): 5:13pm On Jun 13, 2022
Penguin2:
I dey laugh grin

This denial by Pankshin Catholic Diocese is akin to the suspension of Rev. Fr. Dr. Hyacinth Alia of Makurdi Diocese who later won the APC ticket.

Fr. Alia was suspended but believe me when I tell you that the Bishop and the Catholic community of Benue State will be his greatest campaigners.

So, you do not expect the Diocese to openly throw their weight behind the action of the priest even as it is covertly in support of the action of the priest.

One thing is simple, the message is sent and more people from Jos will take getting their PVCs more seriously.

A tsunami is coming!

Obi/Kwankwaso2023

What the Rev. father did is wrong.
The Catholic will never advise you to vote a particular candidate in an election.
My Rev. Father yesterday advised us to tried as much as possible to get our PVC and vote a candidate of our choice; God help us to make the right decision.
Re: Plateau Diocese Dissociates From Denying Members Without PVC Access To Church by UNUKHASO: 5:15pm On Jun 13, 2022
He is the wise reverend in the world your pvc is your prayer to remove the change you don't want to see. More wisdom sir, I dey with you.
Re: Plateau Diocese Dissociates From Denying Members Without PVC Access To Church by Owologbo(m): 5:17pm On Jun 13, 2022
Reality3080:
Just like they overdo their ipob madness that made people turn their back on them is how they will overdo this too

The same people supporting obi n trying to paint it a Christian vs Muslims vote now see d need for peter obi to pick a Muslim vice

Have you heard/seen any Christian picking a Christian VP in Nigeria presidential election before.
It's only tinubu and his urchins that is trying to bring that up in Nigeria politics.
The South like bringing up rubbish only to turn back and cry wolve when the north take advantage of their initiative.
Re: Plateau Diocese Dissociates From Denying Members Without PVC Access To Church by Nobody: 5:20pm On Jun 13, 2022
The earlier we realize that Religion and Politics are inter-woven, the better for us especially Christians.
Re: Plateau Diocese Dissociates From Denying Members Without PVC Access To Church by Fairview1(f): 5:40pm On Jun 13, 2022
Mynd44:
I said it before that it is immoral of a priest to deny anyone salvation or time with God because that person choses not to vote. This is just thrash behaviour.

It's called political campaign
Nobody is denying anyone salvation. BTW: What's the meaning and essence of spiritual salvation when you are not physically saved in Nigeria?
Re: Plateau Diocese Dissociates From Denying Members Without PVC Access To Church by Maconstruct(m): 5:52pm On Jun 13, 2022
I support d pvc priest.
One must b flexible to trending necessities.

Every Sunday 4 d past eight years same prayer point. God help us. God help us.
God gave you brains, use it!!!
Re: Plateau Diocese Dissociates From Denying Members Without PVC Access To Church by Crvrider: 5:56pm On Jun 13, 2022
Mynd44:
I said it before that it is immoral of a priest to deny anyone salvation or time with God because that person choses not to vote. This is just thrash behaviour.

Give what belongs to Caesar to Caesar and belongs to God to God.
Re: Plateau Diocese Dissociates From Denying Members Without PVC Access To Church by Penguin2: 6:04pm On Jun 13, 2022
Owologbo:


What the Rev. father did is wrong.
The Catholic will never advise you to vote a particular candidate in an election.
My Rev. Father yesterday advised us to tried as much as possible to get our PVC and vote a candidate of our choice; God help us to make the right decision.

Did the priest tell them who to vote?

I don’t remember him doing that.

He simply told them to get their PVC.

How is that wrong?
Re: Plateau Diocese Dissociates From Denying Members Without PVC Access To Church by DEBJOCH1(m): 6:14pm On Jun 13, 2022
SO LONG THE PRIEST AND FATHER GAVE THE SUPPORT IF ALK NIGERIAN YOUTH FOR HIS SINGULAR ACTION, THE CHURCH BOARD SHOULD GO AND REST. THE FATHER DESERVED AN OVATION.
Re: Plateau Diocese Dissociates From Denying Members Without PVC Access To Church by DEBJOCH1(m): 6:16pm On Jun 13, 2022
SO LONG THE PRIEST AND FATHER HAVE THE SUPPORT IF ALK NIGERIAN YOUTH FOR HIS SINGULAR ACTION, THE CHURCH BOARD SHOULD GO AND REST. THE FATHER DESERVED AN OVATION.
Re: Plateau Diocese Dissociates From Denying Members Without PVC Access To Church by HeroicMeastro: 6:39pm On Jun 13, 2022
jaybenugo:
Plateau Diocese Dissociates Self From Denying Members Without PVC Access To Church

Plateau dioceses dissociates self from priests who stopped parishioners from attending mass because they had no PVC.


The Catholic Diocese of Pankshin in Plateau state has distanced itself from the actions of one of its Priests, Rev. Fr. Kefas Gogwim, who on Sunday, June 12, denied parishioners access into the church for failing to show their Permanent Voters Card PVC.

In a viral video, the clergyman could be seen stopping parishioners at the entrance of the church. He asked those with their PVCs to enter the church hall while those without their PVCs to return home. He said his action is to encourage his members to ensure they get their PVCs so they can participate in the forthcoming general elections.

However, in a statement released, the Director of Communications of the Diocese, Rev Fr. Andrew Dewan Danjuma, stated that the action of the priests does not have the approval of the Bishop nor is it a policy of the diocese. The statement adds that the action of the Bishop stands is regretted.
If all the Christians in Nigeria decided to pick PVC and vote Obi (big head), he will not still win.
Final!!
Re: Plateau Diocese Dissociates From Denying Members Without PVC Access To Church by obyrich(m): 7:29pm On Jun 13, 2022
Olatunji1929:
Is it by force to vote expecially when you don't trust all the candidates?atiku and tinubu are useless candidates and Peter stand no chance under labour party I don't have any pvc and I will not bother myself to get one
Sit down and wait for God to bring you a messiah. Don't act. If God can allow the Isrelites, whom he called his own chosen people, to walk for 40 years through the wilderness and red sea to the promised land, then don't expect to be pampered. You must work out your salivation from the grip of these wicked leaders.

The delegates have collected bribes to give you the worst as usual, use your vote to protest.

No harm in trial.
Re: Plateau Diocese Dissociates From Denying Members Without PVC Access To Church by Neoteny7: 7:42pm On Jun 13, 2022
Further evidence of how christians are politicizing religion and religionizing politics.

The hypocrites would have you believe that Muslims are the ones carrying out some fallacy called "Islamisation of Nigeria".

Meanwhile they'll preach on TV and radio that Nigerians should dissociate politics with religion.

Two-faced bastards.

Voting is people's right, and they've the liberty to exercise that right or not. But then, the church has always been in control of its mindless sheep.
Re: Plateau Diocese Dissociates From Denying Members Without PVC Access To Church by Googledotcom: 7:52pm On Jun 13, 2022
Muslims preach this in the mosque, they encourage their people to be actively involved in politics, why shouldn't the Christians do the same ?
Re: Plateau Diocese Dissociates From Denying Members Without PVC Access To Church by Shaev7(m): 8:59pm On Jun 13, 2022
ValCon888:
I'm 100% in support of the church enforcing its members to get their PVCs to perform their civic duty.

Religion and politics are intricately intertwined in Nigeria. Politicians often play the religion card to get votes, including "divide and conquer tactics to win elections.

There's an agenda to Islamize this country. It's not a coincidence the Buhari administration witnessed the rise of Fulani herdsmen, bandits, and the pardon and rehabilitation of Boko Haram terrorists.

It's up to the leaders of Christendom to rouse their flock to take action.
I am a Catholic who will not support it ordinary, but looking at this country, my brother if its via the PVC God wants to use to liberate this nation, so be it. Priest are kidnapped daily, Christians persecuted daily, see Owo attack, gruesome! I UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF THE BISHOP, BUT I LIKE RHE WISDOM OF THE BISHOP. HE IRONICALLY SUPPORTS THE ACTION, IF YOU OBSERVED, NO SUSPENSION OF THE PRIEST.
GO GET YOUR PVC!
Tomorrow news fit come say them kidnap that BISHOP!
Re: Plateau Diocese Dissociates From Denying Members Without PVC Access To Church by RealEzee(m): 9:51pm On Jun 13, 2022
Olatunji1929:
Is it by force to vote expecially when you don't trust all the candidates?atiku and tinubu are useless candidates and Peter stand no chance under labour party I don't have any pvc and I will not bother myself to get one
plus ur vote Peter Obi stands a chance, if we all choose not to vote those who vote for bad governance will rejoice while you complain when you could have made a difference, better to participate, dont let the same disastrous mentality our parents had amd let their mates be doing stomach politics and all they can say is that our vote no go count when they no even vote
Re: Plateau Diocese Dissociates From Denying Members Without PVC Access To Church by richmanrichard: 1:32am On Jun 14, 2022
ImmaculateJOE:
No Compromise in Catholic Church, more reason why they are referred to as the Most Organized Institution in the World

I expect Mr. Peter Obi to visit the Catholic Bishop Conference of Nigeria (CBCN) soonest.
His foot allies like Bishop Kukah, Bishop Peter Ebere, Bishop Okeke of Onitsha, Kiagama of Abuja, Adewale Marthins of Lagos and many others Bishops will speak for him. Catholic Church has over 30million worshipers in Nigeria..
u 4got Anglican churches n Methodist s

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Re: Plateau Diocese Dissociates From Denying Members Without PVC Access To Church by Owologbo(m): 4:34am On Jun 14, 2022
Penguin2:


Did the priest tell them who to vote?

I don’t remember him doing that.

He simply told them to get their PVC.

How is that wrong?
Is the PVC a criteria to be a Catholic?
Did the priest receive such instruction from his Bishop?
He can only advise, he doesn't have the right to deny people entry into the house of God on the the ground of not having PVC.
Re: Plateau Diocese Dissociates From Denying Members Without PVC Access To Church by 7arrows: 5:07am On Jun 14, 2022
ValCon888:
I'm 100% in support of the church enforcing its members to get their PVCs to perform their civic duty.

Religion and politics are intricately intertwined in Nigeria. Politicians often play the religion card to get votes, including "divide and conquer tactics to win elections.

There's an agenda to Islamize this country. It's not a coincidence the Buhari administration witnessed the rise of Fulani herdsmen, bandits, and the pardon and rehabilitation of Boko Haram terrorists.

It's up to the leaders of Christendom to rouse their flock to take action.

I'm 110% in support of his actions too. I personally insisted my workers should get their PVC. We need to vote out this clueless government before they sell us to china.
Re: Plateau Diocese Dissociates From Denying Members Without PVC Access To Church by 7arrows: 5:10am On Jun 14, 2022
Olatunji1929:
Is it by force to vote expecially when you don't trust all the candidates?atiku and tinubu are useless candidates and Peter stand no chance under labour party I don't have any pvc and I will not bother myself to get one

That doesn't mean u shouldn't get your PVC. Your vote must count otherwise people from Mali, niger and Chad will come and vote the same idiot's on ur behalf. Even if Peter OBI doesn't stand a chance I still will vote for him.
Re: Plateau Diocese Dissociates From Denying Members Without PVC Access To Church by Penguin2: 7:43am On Jun 14, 2022
Owologbo:

Is the PVC a criteria to be a Catholic?
Did the priest receive such instruction from his Bishop?
He can only advise, he doesn't have the right to deny people entry into the house of God on the the ground of not having PVC.

He has every right.

He’s their pastor. And as their pastor he has every right to ensure the wellbeing of not just their soul but their body also. And one of the ways to ensure the wellbeing of their body is to ensure they vote right in the oncoming election. That they vote someone who would ensure their head doesn’t get decapitated from their body and that they at least have food to eat.
Re: Plateau Diocese Dissociates From Denying Members Without PVC Access To Church by PCAngel: 10:35am On Jun 14, 2022
*Voting Rights Church Teaching*

The fourth commandment extends to the duties of pupils to teachers, employees to employers, subordinates to leaders, citizens to their country, and to those who administer or govern it.
_Catechism of the Catholic Church_

The people are called on to take an always larger part in the public life of the nation. This participation brings with it grave responsibilities. Hence the necessity for the faithful to have clear, solid, precise knowledge of their duties in the moral and religious domain with respect to their exercise of their civil rights, and in particular of the right to vote.
_Pope Pius XII_

*The exercise of the right to vote is an act of grave moral responsibility, at least with respect to the electing of those who are called to give to a country, its constitution and its laws*, and in particular those that affect the sanctification of holy days of obligation, marriage, the family, schools and the just and equitable regulation of many social questions. It is the Church’s duty to explain to the faithful the moral duties that flow from this electoral right.
_Pope Pius XII_

*In the present circumstances, it is a strict obligation for all those who have the right to vote, men and women, to take part in the elections. Whoever abstains from doing so, in particular by indolence or weakness, commits a sin grave in itself, a mortal fault*. Each one must follow the dictate of his own conscience. However, it is obvious that the voice of conscience imposes on every Catholic to give his vote to the candidates who offer truly sufficient guarantees for the protection of the rights of God and of souls, for the true good of individuals, families and of society, according to the love of God and Catholic moral teaching.
_Pope Pius XII_

Let us keep in mind the principle of subsidiarity, which grants freedom to develop the capabilities present at every level of society, while also demanding a greater sense of responsibility for the common good from those who wield greater power.
_Pope Francis_

Love compels us “to go into all the world and proclaim the good news to the whole creation (Mk 16:15)”The creation’ refers to every aspect of human life; consequently, ‘the mission of proclaiming the good news of Jesus Christ has a universal destination. Its mandate of charity encompasses all dimensions of existence, all individuals, all areas of community life, and all peoples. Nothing human can be alien to it’” This “mandate” includes our engagement in political life.
_U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops_

We encourage Catholics throughout the United States to be active in the political process.
_U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops_

The Church’s obligation to participate in shaping the moral character of society is a requirement of our faith.
_U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops_

Catholics who bring their moral convictions into public life do not threaten democracy or pluralism, but enrich them and the nation. The separation of church and state does not require division between belief and public action, between moral principles and political choices, but protects the right of believers and religious groups to practice their faith and act on their values in public life.
_U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops_

Catholics need to act in support of their principles and policies in public life. *It is the particular vocation of the laity to transform the world*.
_U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops_

Some question whether it is appropriate for the Church to play a role in political life. However, the obligation to teach the moral truths that should shape our lives, including our public lives, is central to the mission given to the Church by Jesus Christ. Moreover, the United States Constitution protects the right of individual believers and religious bodies to participate and speak out without government interference, favoritism, or discrimination. Civil law should fully recognize and protect the right of the Church and other institutions in civil society to participate in cultural, political, and economic life without being forced to abandon or ignore their central moral convictions. Our nation’s tradition of pluralism is enhanced, not threatened, when religious groups and people of faith bring their convictions and concerns into public life. Indeed, our Church’s teaching is in accord with the foundational values that have shaped our nation’s history: “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”
_U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops_

The Catholic community brings important assets to the political dialogue about our nation’s future. We bring a consistent moral framework—drawn from basic human reason that is illuminated by Scripture and the teaching of the Church—for assessing issues, political platforms, and campaigns. We also bring broad experience in serving those in need—educating the young, serving families in crisis, caring for the sick, sheltering the homeless, helping women who face difficult pregnancies, feeding the hungry, welcoming immigrants and refugees, reaching out in global solidarity, and pursuing peace. We celebrate, with all our neighbors, the historically robust commitment to religious freedom in this country that has allowed the Church the freedom to serve the common good.
_U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops_

Lay people are not only bound to penetrate the world with a Christian spirit, but are also called to be witnesses to Christ in all things in the midst of human society.
_The Catholic Bishops of the World at the Second Vatican Council_

*In the Catholic Tradition, responsible citizenship is a virtue, and participation in political life is a moral obligation*. People in every nation enhance the social dimension of their lives by acting as committed and responsible citizens. *The obligation to participate in political life is rooted in our baptismal commitment to follow Jesus Christ and to bear Christian witness in all we do*. As the Catechism of the Catholic Church reminds us, *“It is necessary that all participate, each according to his position and role, in promoting the common good. This obligation is inherent in the dignity of the human person. .As far as possible citizens should take an active part in public life.”*
_U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops_

Politics, though often denigrated, remains a lofty vocation and one of the highest forms of charity, in-as-much as it seeks the common good. I beg the Lord to grant us more politicians who are genuinely disturbed by the state of society, the people, the lives of the poor.
_Pope Francis_

The Catholic call to faithful citizenship affirms the importance of political participation and insists that public service is a worthy vocation. As citizens, we should be guided more by our moral convictions than by our attachment to a political party or interest group. When necessary, our participation should help transform the party to which we belong; we should not let the party transform us in such a way that we neglect or deny fundamental moral truths or approve intrinsically evil acts. We are called to bring together our principles and our political choices, our values and our votes, to help build a civilization of truth and love.
_U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops_

The Church wishes to help form consciences in political life and to stimulate greater insight into the authentic requirements of justice as well as greater readiness to act accordingly, even when this might involve conflict with situations of personal interest. . . . The Church cannot and must not take upon herself the political battle to bring about the most just society possible. She cannot and must not replace the State. Yet at the same time she cannot and must not remain on the sidelines in the fight for justice.
_Pope Benedict_

Catholic lay women and men can become actively involved running for office; working within political parties; communicating their concerns and positions to elected officials; and joining diocesan social mission or advocacy networks, state Catholic conference initiatives, community organizations, and other efforts to apply authentic moral teaching in the public square. Even those who cannot vote have the right to have their voices heard on issues that affect their lives and the common good.
_U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops_

The Church insists on the existence of objective moral norms which are valid for everyone.
_U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops_

Click on these links for more inf­ormation:
Archdiocese of St. Paul/Minneapolis

https://www.cctwincities.org/education-advocacy/catholic-social-teaching/notable-quotations/
Re: Plateau Diocese Dissociates From Denying Members Without PVC Access To Church by Owologbo(m): 4:45pm On Jun 14, 2022
Penguin2:


He has every right.

He’s their pastor. And as their pastor he has every right to ensure the wellbeing of not just their soul but their body also. And one of the ways to ensure the wellbeing of their body is to ensure they vote right in the oncoming election. That they vote someone who would ensure their head doesn’t get decapitated from their body and that they at least have food to eat.

I'm a Catholic too ok.
He can only advise them to get their PVC. How can you denied people entry into the church because of PVC?

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