dumininu01:
A manager should be judged by his success, success is paramount to trophies, entertainment and consistency over the years. Both fulfill these, I refuse to label one better over the another as a matter of fact

If I were the owner of a club and I've to sign up a manager, I'll probably sign Klopp, he has more personality, works on a lower budget than pep, brings more entertainment but less trophies.

Klopp was beaten by pep in Germany but only because pep bought his players, I would rate Klopp higher when it comes to working with young lads and nurturing talent, pep needs a mature elite team but then again that's how you win trophies

This is exactly what I am saying too. I’m not saying pep is a bad coach but he is not a genius, he is overrated by barca and his fans. Football lovers are skeptical about his achievement when compared to his peers due to the teams and squad he won with.

donstan18:

Fact remains that Klopp has not won UCL without Sturridge, but Sturridge has won it without him.

No agenda will change this fact.

So until Klopp who has bottled 4 European finals win UCL without Sturridge, we’ll have a valid argument on how Pep failed to win UCL without Messi.

Until then, have a nice day and keep it in mind that Pep has double of Klopp’s European trophy.

WhoDeyHause:

Fruitful decision of no champions league for them after one billion. Were they not winning league before he came?

how many league titles did city win before pep came on board

so any club that has won a trophy, should not aspire to win it again?

maybe clubs like Barca, RM, Chelsea, United, Bayern etc that has won everything to be won in club football should do away with with their coaches

Maybe Madrid should Sack Ancelloti after winning the UCL, because what he did aint special to Madrid,

funny takes everywhere

swiz123:
So winning League 1 is now the same as winning EPL. The way people here consistently lie to themselves is baffling.

Epl is a better league than Ligue 1 for sure ,but league title na league title

So if player win Ligue 1 it’s below the epl in terms of the honour ?I dont get

andrewbaba44:


Epl is a better league than Ligue 1 for sure ,but league title na league title

So if player win Ligue 1 it’s below the epl in terms of the honour ?I dont get

Is EPL more difficult to win than League 1?

It's a yes or no question.

patrickmuf:
Priority for a man who is worth £1m can't the same with a man worth £1bn...It boils down to purchasing power...

This is a lie.

Will you have a free Messi on the market and go for 100m Grealish because you have the purchasing power?

Will you say someone like Louis van Gaal who managed man united,Barcelona, Bayern Munich and would rather pick players from Academy rather than go all out in the transfer market as those clubs not having purchasing power?

donstan18:

Fact remains that Klopp has not won UCL without Sturridge, but Sturridge has won it without him.

No agenda will change this fact.

So until Klopp who has bottled 4 European finals win UCL without Sturridge, we’ll have a valid argument on how Pep failed to win UCL without Messi.

Until then, have a nice day and keep it in mind that Pep has double of Klopp’s European trophy.

Fact remains that Messi played UCL finals twice and won for Fraudiola as UCL top scorer and Fraudiola never won UCL without him. Sturridge cant say he won UCL for Klopp, he didnt even play in the final. Assuming i mentioned Muniesa now for winning UCL for Fraudiola, then you can mention a bench warmer like Sturridge for Klopp.

Give me a player that played and win the finals with and without Klopp.

NinjaXmetahuman:
pochetino won the league in his first full season at psg and small local trophy in the other half.
That's the same thing fraudiola achieved mancity after spending billions and people calling him the greatest thing after agege bread.

The difference is, psg are more ambitious and man city aren't.
Psg can't stand mediocrity.

Psg would have fired fraudiola if he is only winning the league for them after spending 1 billion.
He will not even spend 1 billion before getting fired.

Conte has proven himself in big clubs and small clubs that he doesn't need billions to win local league or turn a league to farmers league.

Expecting him to win the league in a league where one manager is spending billions to buy world class talent and with a club with no money to spend or trophy winning mentality is a tall order.
Being a genius or king of the underdog doesn't mean you should ignore realities.

So Pep is mediocrity?

Kloppo:
Imagine if it was Trent that played as England collect 4nut but Mr BALANCIAGA and the "best defensive right back in the world" played and you won't hear pim

Put address for this mail now.

airmark:


Fact remains that Messi played UCL finals twice and won for Fraudiola as UCL top scorer and Fraudiola never won UCL without him. Sturridge cant say he won UCL for Klopp, he didnt even play in the final. Assuming i mentioned Muniesa now for winning UCL for Fraudiola, then you can mention a bench warmer like Sturridge for Klopp.

Give me a player that played and win the finals with and without Klopp.

Pep>> Klopp

If e sure you, bring out there achievements

Segedinho:
Maybe he was planted to dupe Chelsea...


Who knows?

Those established clowns who told us Conte has reinvented the fraud in Seria a have gone mute. Lakaka and his fans are a disgrace.

Taguchi:


every body is poor except City

the same underdog coach i was told would do wonders when he gets a world-class team and resources is about to get sacked by PSG

them think say everybody wey fit manage POS business very well fit manage bank; there are levels to this shiit

the same underdog format moyes scammed united with, na him hesben go dey sing upandan

Just like Rafael Benitez. He won a UCL with poor Liverpool. Got to another final even though his budget was 20M a season. Then he went to Inter and RM, flopped and got sacked.

One would think a manager with such a small budget will go on to win everything with richer clubs, but no.

andrewbaba44:


Epl is a better league than Ligue 1 for sure ,but league title na league title

So if player win Ligue 1 it’s below the epl in terms of the honour ?I dont get

Lol... League title pass league title oo, even though e no suppose be so.

Lemme use Leicester and Monaco as example. Leicester won the EPL against all odds and Ranieri was awarded best coach of the year.
Jardim did exact same thing in French league and he wasn't even nominated for top 3 best coach of year.

Benzema won the league and even if Madrid didn't win the UCL, there's still high hope of him being in balon d'Or/world best top 3.
Mbappe with all his goals in PSG winning league win(even surpassing benzema) haven't even climbed balon d'Or podium top 3.

E get why

dumininu01:
A manager should be judged by his success, success is paramount to trophies, entertainment and consistency over the years. Both fulfill these, I refuse to label one better over the another as a matter of fact

If I were the owner of a club and I've to sign up a manager, I'll probably sign Klopp, he has more personality, works on a lower budget than pep, brings more entertainment but less trophies.

Klopp was beaten by pep in Germany but only because pep bought his players, I would rate Klopp higher when it comes to working with young lads and nurturing talent, pep needs a mature elite team but then again that's how you win trophies

Klopp does not work on a lower budget in Liverpool. He worked on a lower budget in Dortmund for sure.

Pep did not buy Klopp's players in Dortmund. Lewandowski left on a free and Gotze was already signed before Pep had arrived.

Pep needing a more mature elite team is a myth. He started his career as a Barcelona B manager. He was the one who pitched project youth to Laporta and Sergio Busquets, Pique, Pedro etc have no career without Pep.

airmark:


What about amount spent in those 2 periods?

If City have spent 2B since 2008 and Pep has spent ~900M does it not mean that 1.1B was spent before he got there?

Meanwhile, that ~900M is for 118 players. Can you list the 118 players Pep has used from 2016 till date?

Sniper04:

Make dem sha sell pulisic or ziyech

Both of them should be sold especially the good for nothing Pulisic. I don't see the talent at all, he's an objectively awful footballer who isn't good enough to be labelled inconsistent. I've watched him for 5 years or so and still have no idea what he actually does well. Pulisic at 23 averages 4 league goals a season has never scored double figures in a league season despite playing 7 seasons at elite clubs. He's a flop who has played 242 games across 7 seasons without managing a single good season in his career. The idiot should be the 2nd piece of deadwood cleared this summer after lakaka. Good riddance to bad rubbish .

hensben:
No one ever rate Poch to be an A list coach so he was never in the discussion, I’m only saying he has done well with Southampton and Tottenham In the past. Most top coaches will do well with excess money and quality team, e.g, Ancelotti just won ucl, la liga and super cup in his first season with Real Madrid. With the way city is spending, squad depth pep ought to have win ucl by now, he coached Bayern formidable squad that Hykes and Flick won ucl with and couldn’t win. Ancelotti performed better than him in Ucl at Bayern.

Hensbeninho. Did Ancelotti play a SF of the UCL with Bayern?

andrewbaba44:


They hypocrisy in them won’t allow them troll klopp

They'll tell you netspend but they won't tell you his netspend will naturally be smaller because he sold Coutinho that he did not buy. Ask them to count City and Liverpool netspend after Coutinho and you start reading stories that touch.

I have said it here: United, CFC, Liverpool and City all spend good money. So nobody is allowed to claim the reason for success for City is down to money.

Taguchi:


before that bole guy bought, i saw a lot of chelsea fans praying for one oil shuga daddy to take over from where the last shuga daddy stopped...but there are always the first to callout pep and mancity

i knew how Pep got a lot of sticks here for replacing bravo with ederson, Ibime even compose a song with it to troll , but now nobody is writing any songs for arinzebalaga the guiness book of records bench goalkeeper and the most the 100 million elephant, it's grealish that is waste of money

the hypocrisy is nauseating

Na why I dey laugh when most Chelsea fans dey complain about pep spending. The Kain caliber of players mourinho been get during his time here, even pep no get am

Team wey get world class strikers in shevchenko, crespo and Torres, bought stars and potential stars(like hazard and Mata dem) who made Chelsea what they are today are pointing finger against another coach for doing same thing their club and beloved coach(Mourinho) once did and were good at. Nobody called mourinho fraud even though he didn't win the UCL here.

Like you said, every coach wants to point and kill and everyone wants their club to point and kill If possible. Na only coach wey no fit deliver him work after pointing will be demoted back to the "challenge job" like Mourinho is doing now.

People calling Pep cheque book manager should see that he earned it as he wasn't one at Barca and Bayern. Same way Mou earned his at Chelsea after his achievements in Porto

Android22:


. He was the one who pitched project youth to Laporta and Sergio Busquets, Pique, Pedro etc have no career without Pep.

How people chose to ignore this is what is surprising.

hensben:
No one ever rate Poch to be an A list coach so he was never in the discussion, I’m only saying he has done well with Southampton and Tottenham In the past. Most top coaches will do well with excess money and quality team, e.g, Ancelotti just won ucl, la liga and super cup in his first season with Real Madrid. With the way city is spending, squad depth pep ought to have win ucl by now, he coached Bayern formidable squad that Hykes and Flick won ucl with and couldn’t win. Ancelotti performed better than him in Ucl at Bayern.

@ the bolded, how so?

Taguchi:


how many league titles did city win before pep came on board

so any club that has won a trophy, should not aspire to win it again?

maybe clubs like Barca, RM, Chelsea, United, Bayern etc that has won everything to be won in club football should do away with with their coaches

Maybe Madrid should Sack Ancelloti after winning the UCL, because what he did aint special to Madrid,

funny takes everywhere

Ancelotti won la liga and ucl for real Madrid. Apariola has been winning league and getting disgraced in champions league despite the plenty money spent on his team while Klopp and tuchel that spent less have won it since they met him in England. Psg are going to sack pochettino even though he won the league and took psg to semi final last season because they know how much they put in their team for champions league. He is a failure.

It doesn't always matter how much you spend in transfer market, if the club doesn't have good players or players that will perform well during the season.

Even Injury can mess up a person's season.

donstan18:

Fact remains that Klopp has not won UCL without Sturridge, but Sturridge has won it without him.

No agenda will change this fact.

So until Klopp who has bottled 4 European finals win UCL without Sturridge, we’ll have a valid argument on how Pep failed to win UCL without Messi.

Until then, have a nice day and keep it in mind that Pep has double of Klopp’s European trophy.

Airmar.k don swallow bone way hook am for throat.

Jodera:
Na why I dey laugh when most Chelsea fans dey complain about pep spending. The Kain caliber of players mourinho been get during his time here, even pep no get am

Team wey get world class strikers in shevchenko, crespo and Torres, bought stars and potential stars(like hazard and Mata dem) who made Chelsea what they are today are pointing finger against another coach for doing same thing their club and beloved coach(Mourinho) once did and were good at. Nobody called mourinho fraud even though he didn't win the UCL here.

Like you said, every coach wants to point and kill and everyone wants their club to point and kill If possible. Na only coach wey no fit deliver him work after pointing will be demoted back to the "challenge job" like Mourinho is doing now.

People calling Pep cheque book manager should see that he earned it as he wasn't one at Barca and Bayern. Same way Mou earned his at Chelsea after his achievements in Porto

true talk bro,

you know it's mere agenda fueled by pain when excuses are always made for his every success

he dominated at barca in unprecedented manner straight for the B team, they said it's Messi but ever since he left messi has never broken the goals, trophies or awards record he set under Pep

under Bayern he dominated again they said it's a famers league

he is still winning at City now and they are shouting money upandan

at this rate no matter what he wins, they will always find excuse for his Success

it's better excuse for success than excuse for failure like they are doing for conte and Poch

Bluemann
Have you seen the disgusting new jersey?

WhoDeyHause:

Ancelotti won la liga and ucl for real Madrid. Apariola has been winning league and getting disgraced in champions league despite the plenty money spent on his team while Klopp and tuchel that spent less have won it since they met him in England. Psg are going to sack pochettino even though he won the league and took psg to semi final last season because they know how much they put in their team for champions league. He is a failure.

league one is no longer "dead" league or farmers league it's now being equated with the so called best league in the world just to make case a for Poch in this imaginary rivalry with Pep

before it was Mou vs Pep
then Conte vs Pep
now it's Klopp and Ordinary Poch against Pep

continue

WhoDeyHause:

Ancelotti won la liga and ucl for real Madrid. Apariola has been winning league and getting disgraced in champions league despite the plenty money spent on his team while Klopp and tuchel that spent less have won it since they met him in England. Psg are going to sack pochettino even though he won the league and took psg to semi final last season because they know how much they put in their team for champions league. He is a failure.

Is Pochettino better than Tuchel? Tuchel was 3rd in PSG before he got fired. Explain in a few sentences why Tuchel was 3rd by January of 2021 when he was fired by PSG?

Taguchi:



league one is no longer "dead" league or farmers league it's now being equated with the so called best league in the world just to make case a for Poch in this imaginary rivalry with Pep

before it was Mou vs Pep
then Conte vs Pep
now it's Klopp and Ordinary Poch against Pep

continue

As if he has not won the UCL, 2 times.

popizaino:



This is a lie.

Will you have a free Messi on the market and go for 100m Grealish because you have the purchasing power?

Will you say someone like Louis van Gaal who managed man united,Barcelona, Bayern Munich and would rather pick players from Academy rather than go all out in the transfer market as those clubs not having purchasing power?

Where do I even start?

How many clubs can afford Messi's salary? Are they even up to the standard to approach Messi?

donstan18:

Accidental is the excuse now?

Poch used a low cost Spurs to reach UCL, beating Ajax. I mean the Ajax that destroyed Madrid and Juve, same Ajax that even won Bayern in the group’s Stage. So don’t call it a mistake just to dodge the trap you’ve set for yourself.

While on the other hand, Conte hasn’t even made Ucl semis before despite managing Chelsea, Inter and Juve.

Using your “Ucl finalists” metric, is it safe to say Poch is better than Conte?

I saw how the airmark citadel of football knowledge and nairaland esteemed pundits dodge this one..

Android22:
Is Pochettino better than Tuchel? Tuchel was 3rd in PSG before he got fired. Explain in a few sentences why Tuchel was 3rd by January of 2021 when he was fired by PSG?

It was not because of league one they sacked Tuchel. Did he not win the league and went to champions league final in 2020?